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JonThePenguin 07/21/19 12:21:04 AM #51: |
Its similar to the situation with Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter, etc. The shows referenced the movies but it never went the other way. So whether they were canon or not didnt really matter because the movies never acknowledged or contradicted them.
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ZenOfThunder 07/21/19 12:25:11 AM #52: |
they probably shouldn't have even bothered with the netflix shows if they knew they weren't going to go all-in with including them in movie continuity
the disney+ lineup looks like how the original netflix lineup should have i understand how expensive it is to do these things right which is why in retrospect I would have rather had nothing. in the end all the good that came from the netflix shows is basically wasted as they probably won't want to retread on a lot of those characters, actors and plot points for a while. RIP vincent d'onofrio Kingpin --- Most Quotable Media Ever: Vote Now! - https://bit.ly/2WH2mKz Advokaiser owns this space and my butt ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 07/21/19 12:25:56 AM #53: |
Yeah the name dropping was infuriating for me and made the shows borderline unwatchable-- Agents of SHIELD was the worst to me with that though I heard it at least had something resembling direct MCU interaction at one point. But yeah it made em all seem really low rent.
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mnkboy907 07/21/19 12:26:37 AM #54: |
Yes okay I will watch all of these.
Also before this I always saw people talking about the MCU adding "Shang Chi and the Eternals" as if it was a singular thing. But I guess it's two things! I know nothing about either of them. Doctor Strange 2 sounds hype just based on the name. Jane Thor sounds weird but okay, I'll trust them. gimme gotg3 already Any details about how X-Men are being implemented? --- Change is weird. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JonThePenguin 07/21/19 12:29:43 AM #55: |
Lopen posted...
Yeah the name dropping was infuriating for me and made the shows borderline unwatchable-- Agents of SHIELD was the worst to me with that though I heard it at least had something resembling direct MCU interaction at one point. But yeah it made em all seem really low rent. Sif showed up a couple times and it included the Kree before the movies got around to them, I remember that much. Also the fact that Winter Soldier was coming kept them from being able to kick their main plot for season 1 into gear until pretty late. --- JonThePenguin http://www.backloggery.com/main.php?user=erunion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CoolCly 07/21/19 12:30:56 AM #56: |
i cannot agree with that at all
we had amazing seasons of a bunch of shows. It's not "wasted." The entire point is not to make everything connected, it's to make great content... and they did. most of the time. --- The batman villians all seem to be one big joke that batman refuses to laugh at - SantaRPG ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZenOfThunder 07/21/19 12:32:34 AM #57: |
Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter were actually produced in some way by Feige and the Jarvis from Agent Carter actually showed up in Endgame and yeah Sif did show up in Agents of SHIELD so those shows were a little better off than the Netflix stuff. i don't mind their existence as much but it would have been nice if they sprung for getting Cap or Thor to walk on even once.
Again I know how expensive it would be do to that but it would have been worth it. would have definitely gotten more people interested. if you're gonna do the expanded universe you gotta commit to making it feel whole and not just a cash-grab spinoff. --- Most Quotable Media Ever: Vote Now! - https://bit.ly/2WH2mKz Advokaiser owns this space and my butt ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JonThePenguin 07/21/19 12:35:32 AM #58: |
ZenOfThunder posted...
Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter were actually produced in some way by Feige and the Jarvis from Agent Carter actually showed up in Endgame and yeah Sif did show up in Agents of SHIELD so those shows were a little better off than the Netflix stuff. i don't mind their existence as much but it would have been nice if they sprung for getting Cap or Thor to walk on even once. They did have Samuel L. Fury a couple times in season 1. Id forgotten about it until watching some early stuff tonight after reading the announcements. --- JonThePenguin http://www.backloggery.com/main.php?user=erunion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZenOfThunder 07/21/19 12:35:33 AM #59: |
i'm not saying the netflix shows were bad, they were (mostly) good
but not being able to have Daredevil interact with the rest of the MCU is an absolute shame. it was a bad move on marvel's part. same thing with Inhumans. at least AoS doesn't have much that we lose out on by not having it cross over to the movies. Agent Carter actually is heavily tied to the movies. if I was given a choice to reset the Netflix universe, wipe it from everyone's memories and give the Defenders a shot to be done right in-universe I definitely would. Maybe if Iron Fist and the Defenders show didn't suck so much I'd be more hesitant to do so but that Netflix stuff definitely fizzled hard in the end. --- Most Quotable Media Ever: Vote Now! - https://bit.ly/2WH2mKz Advokaiser owns this space and my butt ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nanis23 07/21/19 1:44:34 AM #60: |
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the movies were canon to the shows but the shows werent canon to the movies is how it worked out Yeah you definied it pretty good But still, if it's one way, isn't it enough to makw it canon? Sure it's not a deal breaker and not a big deal in any way, I just really loved the idea of MCU being so vast and yet they never had to reuse a actor (besides small roles) Every movie has it's own cast. Every TV show has it's cast. They all have multiple movies and seasons. Hell, Shield has 6 seasons. And yet they had unique actors for every character It was a special thing that is now broken Again, nothing to rage about, just a bummer --- wololo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nanis23 07/21/19 1:57:40 AM #61: |
But yeah Agents of Shield and Agent Carter are much more tied to the MCU than the Netflix shows
Agent Carter has Peggy herself, Howard Stark, and even Jarvis showed up in Endgame Agent of Shield has Coulson himself, Sif (3 times+) and Fury (2 times I think) They even said Coulson was directly involved in Age of Ultron as he fixed the Hellcarrier (Theta Protocol) altough it is one way canon too IIRC They talk about other stuff that happens in the movies like the Twins and all that --- wololo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kevwaffles 07/21/19 2:13:46 AM #62: |
ZenOfThunder posted...
but that Netflix stuff definitely fizzled hard in the end. Everything post-Defenders was at minimum decent. Iron Fist S2 was the worst and it was still a massive improvement over IF S1. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PerfectChaosZ 07/21/19 2:21:12 AM #63: |
They should just include Daredevil and Kingpin as minor characters in the new Spider-Man movies. Boom, perfect, brief introduction, if you want to know more check out the Daredevil series as loose cannon.
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Murphiroth 07/21/19 3:06:41 AM #64: |
ZenOfThunder posted...
Murphiroth posted...The Hawkeye logo is the same logo as the Matt Fraction Hawkeye run which was fantastic, that gives me really high hopes for the series. That gag needs to be in. https://www.instagram.com/p/B0Kn_FlDUas/ --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RyoCaliente 07/21/19 5:48:20 AM #65: |
AoS has used, from the greater Marvel universe:
Nick Fury Lady Sif Mike Peterson (Deathlok) Victoria Hand * John Garrett * Daisy Johnson (Quake) Eric Koenig Bobbi Morse (Mockingbird) Crusher Creel * Lorelei Glenn Talbot/Franklin Hall (Graviton) * Yo-Yo Rodriguez (Slingshot) Andrew Garner (Lash) * Calvin Zabo (Mr. Hyde) Hive Robbie Reyes (Ghost Rider) The Patriot Madame Hydra And maybe some more that I don't remember. Thanos' invasion was also specifically mentioned and 'dealt with' in S5, although the way they handle the Snap is still kinda vague. --- How paralyzingly dull, boring and tedious! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik7 07/21/19 6:08:02 AM #66: |
Lopen posted...
Yeah the name dropping was infuriating for me and made the shows borderline unwatchable-- Agents of SHIELD was the worst to me with that though I heard it at least had something resembling direct MCU interaction at one point. But yeah it made em all seem really low rent. I like AoS but it has jumped the shark as far as involvement with the movies go now. They created the show hoping to be accepted as part of Canon. And, it may have been if the show had higher ratings. It never did though. The movies quickly ignored the show. The tv show always seemed upset they weren't apart of the movie verse. Now it just does whatever it wants and ignores the movies completely. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik7 07/21/19 6:09:59 AM #67: |
Also the main problem with the Netflix shows for MCU was always the same thing. They were too many episodes for the content they had. If they had cut the episodes down to 10 for each series, they would have been paced better and been better.
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Snrkiko 07/21/19 10:59:54 AM #68: |
I'm so hyped for jane thor
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ZenOfThunder 07/21/19 11:02:50 AM #69: |
yeah Natalie Portman is fine she just has bad draws with directors/screenwriters. garden state is really hard to watch but you can tell she was really trying to make what she was given work. hopefully Taika can bring out the best in her.
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Snrkiko 07/21/19 11:08:30 AM #70: |
also i hope this means we have a chance at kat dennings dying in thor 4 as the impetus for jane picking up the hammer
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PerfectChaosZ 07/21/19 11:15:05 AM #71: |
Maybe Jane will continue as Thor in the Thor movies and a weaker Hemsworth without a weapon will be in GoG since he got too strong.
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Snrkiko 07/21/19 11:41:08 AM #72: |
thor still has stormbreaker no?
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MrGreenonion 07/21/19 12:16:15 PM #73: |
LapisLazuli posted...
Jason Aaron Thor is the only comic Thor I have ever cared about in the slightest. wow i feel sorry for you walt simonson thor > the rest --- SuperNiceDog didn't have to reconcile his name... But Dauntless Hunter is now MrGreenonion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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iiicon 07/21/19 12:21:47 PM #74: |
ZenOfThunder posted...
yeah Natalie Portman is fine she just has bad draws with directors/screenwriters. garden state is really hard to watch but you can tell she was really trying to make what she was given work. she's been nominated for and won multiple major awards and has worked with people like Darren Aronofsky, Alex Garland and Terrence Malick! she hasn't really had a bad draw just because she did a movie with the guy from scrubs who had one idea and has tried to stretch it out for two decades --- ICON: Kiwami means extreme. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heroic Bigpun 07/21/19 12:34:35 PM #75: |
Didn't Agents of Shield explain why Nick fury had another helicarrier? I forget what movie but he randomly showed up at the end with one for no reason
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Nanis23 07/21/19 1:00:50 PM #76: |
Heroic Bigpun posted...
Didn't Agents of Shield explain why Nick fury had another helicarrier? I forget what movie but he randomly showed up at the end with one for no reason https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Theta_Protocol --- wololo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Snrkiko 07/21/19 1:11:32 PM #77: |
this mcu hype got me over the edge to buy mua3
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iiicon 07/21/19 1:21:53 PM #78: |
Snrkiko posted...
this mcu hype got me over the edge to buy mua3 if i hadn't just bought a musou game i might've picked this up. man why did nintendo have to publish 4 games in the span of 4 weeks. what a silly idea. --- ICON: Kiwami means extreme. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrGreenonion 07/21/19 1:34:21 PM #79: |
iiicon posted...
Snrkiko posted...this mcu hype got me over the edge to buy mua3 wait mario maker marvel and fire emblem whats the 4th --- SuperNiceDog didn't have to reconcile his name... But Dauntless Hunter is now MrGreenonion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Snrkiko 07/21/19 1:35:14 PM #80: |
senran kagura peach ball
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mnkboy907 07/21/19 1:40:48 PM #81: |
MrGreenonion posted...
iiicon posted...Snrkiko posted...this mcu hype got me over the edge to buy mua3 Dragon Quest Builders 2 --- Change is weird. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CoolCly 07/21/19 2:31:16 PM #82: |
i want kat dennings as lady thor
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Snrkiko 07/21/19 2:50:17 PM #83: |
CoolCly posted...
i want kat dennings as lady thor i hate you --- ...Snrk. And theeen, we do stuff like, 'Persona!' with our Personas and beat the crap outta Shadows... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 07/21/19 2:51:03 PM #84: |
CoolCly is the greatest MCU villain.
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ZenOfThunder 07/21/19 2:51:32 PM #85: |
I wanna fuck Kat dennings
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Corrik7 07/21/19 2:54:33 PM #86: |
CoolCly posted...
i want kat dennings as lady thor Agreed. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik7 07/21/19 2:54:43 PM #87: |
ZenOfThunder posted...
I wanna fuck Kat dennings Agreed --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MoogleKupo141 07/21/19 2:57:31 PM #88: |
guys its canon that Kat Denningss character died because she was shitting in an airplane toilet when she got snapped and then was unsnapped into the air so she fell to the earth screaming and shitting and died.
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PButterAndJelly 07/21/19 3:06:04 PM #89: |
Who?
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LapisLazuli 07/21/19 3:08:18 PM #90: |
ZenOfThunder posted...
fuck Kat dennings --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrGreenonion 07/21/19 3:38:03 PM #91: |
mnkboy907 posted...
MrGreenonion posted...iiicon posted...Snrkiko posted...this mcu hype got me over the edge to buy mua3 Nintendo didn't publish that --- SuperNiceDog didn't have to reconcile his name... But Dauntless Hunter is now MrGreenonion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Snrkiko 07/21/19 4:14:51 PM #92: |
MoogleKupo141 posted...
guys its canon that Kat Denningss character died because she was shitting in an airplane toilet when she got snapped and then was unsnapped into the air so she fell to the earth screaming and shitting and died. thank you for reminding me of this. --- ...Snrk. And theeen, we do stuff like, 'Persona!' with our Personas and beat the crap outta Shadows... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Punnyz 07/21/19 4:14:58 PM #93: |
Nanis23 posted...
Heroic Bigpun posted...Didn't Agents of Shield explain why Nick fury had another helicarrier? I forget what movie but he randomly showed up at the end with one for no reason so that show is Canon then? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Punnyz 07/21/19 4:15:32 PM #94: |
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MrGreenonion 07/21/19 4:32:14 PM #95: |
Punnyz posted...
wait whats wrong wtih kat dennings? Some people hate women --- SuperNiceDog didn't have to reconcile his name... But Dauntless Hunter is now MrGreenonion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 07/21/19 4:33:27 PM #96: |
Kat Dennings in Thor is the most annoying character ever put to film.
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Punnyz 07/21/19 4:38:41 PM #97: |
I thought she was cute in the Thor movies and she played the ditzy comic relief pretty well, she did her job I thought
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StealThisSheen 07/21/19 4:39:49 PM #98: |
The character is annoying, but far from the "most annoying character ever put in film"
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Lopen 07/21/19 4:40:42 PM #99: |
Don't get the hate for Kat Dennings in Thor. Def found her more likable than Natalie Portman's character
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LapisLazuli 07/21/19 4:41:05 PM #100: |
She has a show?
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