Current Events > Reminder: If a cop defends bad cops, they are also a bad cop.

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By any remotely reasonable measure of what makes a cop a "bad cop," those that lie in reports about wrongdoing of other officers, refuse to bring charges after an internal investigation, or simply turn a blind eye to the wrongdoings of other officers they interact with are also bad cops.

Therefore, the vast majority of cops, at least in most major cities, are bad cops.
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This is bullshit absolutism because "Bad Cop" can mean anything if you're angry enough.

People were calling George Zimmerman an example of a bad cop and he wasn't even a cop, he was just a fat dude who was defending himself from violent assault.

If some guy runs at a cop with a sword and screams "I'm going to kill your and your children" and the cop shoots him or her, literally millions of people will say they are a bad cop.

And according to you any cop who goes "I think that was justified self-defense" are also bad cops.

Here's a better idea? Judge people and events, not labels and groups.
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The ol' UR contrarianism at work
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UnfairRepresent posted...

And according to you any cop who goes "I think that was justified self-defense" are also bad cops.

No. Only if they say that about a case where the cop actually did something wrong, like the Eric Garner case.
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Bad cop maybe but a good friend indeed. And friendship is the greatest gift in life.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

By any remotely reasonable measure of what makes a cop a "bad cop," those that lie in reports about wrongdoing of other officers, refuse to bring charges after an internal investigation, or simply turn a blind eye to the wrongdoings of other officers they interact with are also bad cops.

Therefore, the vast majority of cops, at least in most major cities, are bad cops.

You were doing so good, honestly, up to this bullshit statement.
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Yeah, that's such a massively ignorant black and white world view.

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DarkChozoGhost posted...

By any remotely reasonable measure of what makes a cop a "bad cop," those that lie in reports about wrongdoing of other officers, refuse to bring charges after an internal investigation, or simply turn a blind eye to the wrongdoings of other officers they interact with are also bad cops.

Therefore, the vast majority of cops, at least in most major cities, are bad cops.

You were doing so good, honestly, up to this bullshit statement.

You really think that if you looked at every Police department in every major city, most of them wouldn't have a single bad cop?
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

And according to you any cop who goes "I think that was justified self-defense" are also bad cops.

No. Only if they say that about a case where the cop actually did something wrong

You know this isn't true. People use any example they can and even lie and make things up to have examples.

and secondly as I said "Did something wrong" is subjective.

Leaving "Try Jumping" messages next to a bottomless pit in Dark Souls is morally wrong but doing it doesn't make you a bad cop.
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Unfortunately, many of the things you're talking about tend to be psychological tendencies were all prone to. Maybe, we're all bad at heart.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

and secondly as I said "Did something wrong" is subjective.

Sure, but not all opinions deserve respect. Like anyone that supports Eric Garner's murderer being free.
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Tc is correct
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FrankGoreHOF posted...

Tc is correct

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BaiusGaltar posted...

Unfortunately, many of the things you're talking about tend to be psychological tendencies were all prone to. Maybe, we're all bad at heart.

That's how one bad apple spoils the bunch.
And we don't spend much time on training cops except for how to handle firearms, but that's a different can of beans.

Power corrupts thats why alot of police are bad

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BaiusGaltar posted...

Unfortunately, many of the things you're talking about tend to be psychological tendencies were all prone to. Maybe, we're all bad at heart.

Pretty much. You could use TC's logic against inner city ghettos as well. Or, if you REALLY want to have a hot take, against certain religions. But of course TC's standard only applies to cops. Cuz reasons.

CADE FOSTER posted...

Power corrupts thats why alot of police are bad

every individual police officer agreed as part of the terms of their employment to uphold all laws, including those that are unjust or cruel. that is why all police are bad. it is not a generalization; it is the nature of the job.
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Grischnak posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

Unfortunately, many of the things you're talking about tend to be psychological tendencies were all prone to. Maybe, we're all bad at heart.

Pretty much. You could use TC's logic against inner city ghettos as well. Or, if you REALLY want to have a hot take, against certain religions. But of course TC's standard only applies to cops. Cuz reasons.

If you defend under city violence you're a bad inner city resident and if you defend your religions atrocities then you're a bad religious person

Why wouldn't those apply?
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

and secondly as I said "Did something wrong" is subjective.

Sure, but not all opinions deserve respect

I agree, such as absolutism.
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averagejoel posted...

CADE FOSTER posted...

Power corrupts thats why alot of police are bad

every individual police officer agreed as part of the terms of their employment to uphold all laws, including those that are unjust or cruel. that is why all police are bad. it is not a generalization; it is the nature of the job.

Can tell you youre absolutely wrong here. Yes taking an oath is part of the process but theres a large handful of cops who would show some humility and throw away the 3 grams of meth they found in your center console because despite it being drug possession they know you are doing it to get through the day and dont wanna fuck your already miserable life up even more when you have 3 kids at home and make $25k annually.
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OP is 100% accurate.
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Does this logic apply to people who defend criminals?
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The Admiral posted...

Does this logic apply to people who defend criminals?

"Criminal" is not an occupation
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if they defend them after its proven, then yes, i agree.

its also bad cop if they obstruct investigations into police abuse/corruption

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The Admiral posted...

Does this logic apply to people who defend criminals?

Depends on the crime, but generally yes. If your friend rapes or murders someone it's wrong for you to cover it up or keep it to yourself. If your friend sneaks onto the subway platform without paying that's not a big deal.

Cops do deserve some leniency too (but less because they must be held to a higher standard). If a cop flashes his lights just to go through a red light that doesn't really make him a bad cop. But if a cop makes a dog give a false positive to unlawfully search a vehicle without repercussions, he is a bad cop. If and officer beats his wife and his colleagues know, they are all bad cops.
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The Admiral posted...

Does this logic apply to people who defend criminals?

Or to bad posters who defend other bad posters?
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FrankGoreHOF posted...

Grischnak posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

Unfortunately, many of the things you're talking about tend to be psychological tendencies were all prone to. Maybe, we're all bad at heart.

Pretty much. You could use TC's logic against inner city ghettos as well. Or, if you REALLY want to have a hot take, against certain religions. But of course TC's standard only applies to cops. Cuz reasons.

If you defend under city violence you're a bad inner city resident and if you defend your religions atrocities then you're a bad religious person

Why wouldn't those apply?

How naive of you. Many inner city residents refuse to get personally involved with crimes out of fear. Justified fear. That doesn't make them bad people. It's easy to be tough as a keyboard warrior but in real life getting involved in shit like that has real consequences. Often severe consequences. Religious people are just brainwashed on the other hand...

Grischnak posted...

FrankGoreHOF posted...

Grischnak posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

Unfortunately, many of the things you're talking about tend to be psychological tendencies were all prone to. Maybe, we're all bad at heart.

Pretty much. You could use TC's logic against inner city ghettos as well. Or, if you REALLY want to have a hot take, against certain religions. But of course TC's standard only applies to cops. Cuz reasons.

If you defend under city violence you're a bad inner city resident and if you defend your religions atrocities then you're a bad religious person

Why wouldn't those apply?

How naive of you. Many inner city residents refuse to get personally involved with crimes out of fear. Justified fear. That doesn't make them bad people. It's easy to be tough as a keyboard warrior but in real life getting involved in shit like that has real consequences. Often severe consequences. Religious people are just brainwashed on the other hand...

Thanks for putting words in my mouth. At no point did I say get involved
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FrankGoreHOF posted...

Thanks for putting words in my mouth. At no point did I say get involved

Did you forget what topic we're in? The TC's premise is: Get involved if you encounter bad behavior or you yourself are a bad person. If you're not arguing that then I don't know what the fuck you're even doing here.

KStateKing17 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Does this logic apply to people who defend criminals?

"Criminal" is not an occupation

Bad cop isnt either
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Grischnak posted...

FrankGoreHOF posted...

Thanks for putting words in my mouth. At no point did I say get involved

Did you forget what topic we're in? The TC's premise is: Get involved if you encounter bad behavior or you yourself are a bad person. If you're not arguing that then I don't know what the fuck you're even doing here.

Doesnt mean that's what I was saying. So, your whole premise is baseless
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FrankGoreHOF posted...

Doesnt mean that's what I was saying. So, your whole premise is baseless

My premise isn't baseless, you're arguing bullshit. My original post went with what is being argued in this topic. Your reply didn't. Go away.

Applies with any group, not just cops.
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darkprince45 posted...

KStateKing17 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Does this logic apply to people who defend criminals?

"Criminal" is not an occupation

Bad cop isnt either

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