Poll of the Day > New Study says that TRANSGENDER People are more CONSERVATIVE than STRAIGHT MEN!

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A Survey of 3104 adults in the US published by Meredith Worthen, a sociology professor at the University of Oklahoma found that transgender people are more CONSERVATIVE than STRAIGHT MEN!!

She compared attitudes on liberal perspectives across different genderse and orientations, defining liberalism as "liberal ideology"; law/policy support of those in poverty, racial/ethnic minorities, immigrants, women and feminist identity

She said "Thus, in comparison to all cis men as well as all cis LGBTQ non-hetero men, trans men and women were significantly less liberal. Overall, these patterns demonstrate that trans men and women have a different relationship with liberalism than cis men and women do"

Cisgender is the term for people who identify as the same biological sex they were born as

Women were more liberal than men (stating the obvious) and bisexual people tend to be less liberal than lesbian and gays

Worthen states "trans men and women may feel that their interests are not well represented by liberal perspectives and policies as a result, they may not identify with liberal policies"

These were surprising since a previous study states that 82% of trans people voted for Hillary Clinton but the support was not monolithic

Caitlyn Jenner, a prominent trans woman famously voted for Trump and t hen revoked it after a fiery op-ed.

She did the study after Trump's election as it created a need to understand voices of oppressed and marginalized groups including LGBTQ people

Worthen says "Because media terms like "Rainbow Wave" were so rampang during the last election, i felt it was important to investigate the accuracy of this term. Gender impacts our political perspectives because gender is a powerful set of experiences that shapes our everyday lives and attitudes"

Do you think it's true that trans people are more conservative than straight men?

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mrduckbear posted...

A Survey of 3104 adults in the US

That sure is an adequate sample size to make that assumption, yes sir.
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I don't believe that for a second.
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mrduckbear posted...

Meredith Worthen, a sociology professor at the University of Oklahoma f

That is all you need to know about this post.

Sociology is a joke.

Were the samples from all over the US even? Or were they from like one area?

Cause that'll affect it too.

Zareth posted...

mrduckbear posted...

A Survey of 3104 adults in the US

That sure is an adequate sample size to make that assumption, yes sir.

I think the LGBT community is about 4.5% of the US population, based on searching at least. Given that figure, the us LGBT us population would be about 14,815,965 people.

To be clear, I'm side eyeing this really hard. But I'm now also scratching my head at surveys in general...
HOWEVER, everything I keep seeing about survey size says that this is actually a good survey size and I'm really confused. It's such a small % of the group.

ChaosAzeroth posted...

Were the samples from all over the US even? Or were they from like one area?

Cause that'll affect it too.

Zareth posted...

mrduckbear posted...

A Survey of 3104 adults in the US

That sure is an adequate sample size to make that assumption, yes sir.

I think the LGBT community is about 4.5% of the US population, based on searching at least. Given that figure, the us LGBT us population would be about 14,815,965 people.

To be clear, I'm side eyeing this really hard. But I'm now also scratching my head at surveys in general...
HOWEVER, everything I keep seeing about survey size says that this is actually a good survey size and I'm really confused. It's such a small % of the group.

Anytime i try to argue it dont put stock in such small sample sizes and thus dont give two shts about surveys in general someone tries shoving it down my throat that it's a large enough sample size and studies show they work. Of course ignoring how easy it is to skew poll results.

Anyways on topic. I find it surprising but honestly i wish more diverse groups would be. The top doesnt tend to pander to other groups cause they aint voting for them anyways. And I wish equal rights would be something both parties agreed on. That way we could focus more on the other issues and people wouldnt feel to vote against everything else they may want just cause one side fights for them and the other not so much.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Anytime i try to argue it dont put stock in such small sample sizes and thus dont give two shts about surveys in general someone tries shoving it down my throat that it's a large enough sample size and studies show they work. Of course ignoring how easy it is to skew poll results.

I'm confused what you're saying here. I'm not trying to shove anything down anyone's throat about how antiquate it is, but rather expressing how confused I am because honestly.. It doesn't seem like it should be a good sample size.

Also I brought up a point that could very well skew it, depending if it's from a single area and what kind of area or areas the people doing the survey are from. LGBT or not, that'll really gum up a survey.

ChaosAzeroth posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Anytime i try to argue it dont put stock in such small sample sizes and thus dont give two shts about surveys in general someone tries shoving it down my throat that it's a large enough sample size and studies show they work. Of course ignoring how easy it is to skew poll results.

I'm confused what you're saying here. I'm not trying to shove anything down anyone's throat about how antiquate it is, but rather expressing how confused I am because honestly.. It doesn't seem like it should be a good sample size.

Also I brought up a point that could very well skew it, depending if it's from a single area and what kind of area or areas the people doing the survey are from. LGBT or not, that'll really gum up a survey.

I was agreeing with you just saying in my expirence someone always comes along and tries to tell me its a large enough sample size.

And yeah where the survey is taken is usually my example on hoe it could be skewed.
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http://meredithworthenphd.com/research/

If any one wants to look at her work.

I'm sure this one will be up soon.
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Yeah, no. Have literally never met a conservative trans person. I'm guessing they went out and gathered up everyone who identified as conservative when they set out to conduct their study.

Worthen states "trans men and women may feel that their interests are not well represented by liberal perspectives and policies as a result, they may not identify with liberal policies"

I mean, conservatives literally want them all dead, so I'm gonna go ahead and say this is some seriously flawed logic;.
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The only trans person I know is a die hard conservative who is all in on conspiracy theories. Like they still believe Pizzagate.

So almost a non-existent sample size for me but...

TheWorstPoster posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Meredith Worthen, a sociology professor at the University of Oklahoma f

That is all you need to know about this post.

Sociology is a joke.

Which field do you think would be conducting such a study?
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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

Yeah, no. Have literally never met a conservative trans person. I'm guessing they went out and gathered up everyone who identified as conservative when they set out to conduct their study.

Worthen states "trans men and women may feel that their interests are not well represented by liberal perspectives and policies as a result, they may not identify with liberal policies"

I mean, conservatives literally want them all dead, so I'm gonna go ahead and say this is some seriously flawed logic;.

It could be they asked them a bunch of questions like how do you feel about this kinda policy without attaching which side wants it. I knew a guy who claimed to be very liberal but aside from gun control and legalizing weed everything else about him screamed conservative. Hate to say it but a lot of people are idiots that pick a side and always vote for said side regardless of how they feel on the actual issues.
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adjl posted...

Which field do you think would be conducting such a study?

Studies like this should not even be made to begin with.

Professors of REAL studies mock this, as seen here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

mooreandrew58 posted...

I was agreeing with you just saying in my expirence someone always comes along and tries to tell me its a large enough sample size.

And yeah where the survey is taken is usually my example on hoe it could be skewed.

Oooh okay thanks!

Couldn't parse the sentence out. Brain is on semi vacation.

Pssst.

You don't have to identify as liberal or conservative.

And if you do identify as one or the other, the media and political parties don't get to decide for you what being liberal or being conservative mean.
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mrduckbear posted...

She compared attitudes on liberal perspectives across different genderse and orientations, defining liberalism as "liberal ideology"; law/policy support of those in poverty, racial/ethnic minorities, immigrants, women and feminist identity

When you redefine things, you can get all kinds of fun results!

BlackScythe0 posted...

The only trans person I know is a die hard conservative who is all in on conspiracy theories. Like they still believe Pizzagate.

So almost a non-existent sample size for me but...

While my area has a surprisingly large trans population, I've never sat down to ask them about their political beliefs; then again, I don't talk politics with most people since it doesn't come up.

TigerTycoon posted...

Pssst.

You don't have to identify as liberal or conservative.

And if you do identify as one or the other, the media and political parties don't get to decide for you what being liberal or being conservative mean.

It's even worse when you factor in certain far-left malicious posters who believe anybody who doesn't march to their often-insane beliefs is a die-hard conservative. Not that I'd name any of the worst offenders, mind you, although I've long tired of their malevolent manipulations.
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ChaosAzeroth posted...

everything I keep seeing about survey size says that this is actually a good survey size and I'm really confused.

It's a good survey size as long as the sample is sufficiently randomised from the group. It's good if they're proportionately picked from every state and from both urban and rural populations. It's bad if it's all picked from one location.

With 3000 people, you generally wash out blips with pure volume.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

adjl posted...

Which field do you think would be conducting such a study?

Studies like this should not even be made to begin with.

Professors of REAL studies mock this, as seen here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

Quelle surprise! Someone completely misunderstands what the Sokal affair was meant to criticize.

Protip: It definitely did not say that the social sciences are all bunk, as the stupidest parts of 4chan, the shittiest parts of YouTube, and other disingenuous dipshits might have you believe.
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dainkinkaide posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

adjl posted...

Which field do you think would be conducting such a study?

Studies like this should not even be made to begin with.

Professors of REAL studies mock this, as seen here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

Quelle surprise! Someone completely misunderstands what the Sokal affair was meant to criticize.

Protip: It definitely did not say that the social sciences are all bunk, as the stupidest parts of 4chan, the shittiest parts of YouTube, and other disingenuous dipshits might have you believe.

To be fair, I don't think we should really be surprised that Icoyar doesn't understand the value in studying human interactions.
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There's a difference between the fad and "allies" and their dogmatic ideology and actual transgender people, whom aren't doing it for attention, be a gender 92, or to wave a flag but just want to blend into society as the opposite gender they were born.

Those people are likely to be as conservative as anyone else which, due to college professors in non-productive fields and mass liberal media, people forget is about 50%. Or, more accurately, it's more nuanced than someone being red or blue, but being conservative in some views and liberal in others. Most people conflate Democrat and Republican party lines as the defining line of liberal or conservative, but neither party is logically consistent.

Mental health has been infiltrated by non-science minded people pushing agendas. I've seen it firsthand which is part of the reason I've changed my occupational goals. I still want to pursue mental health, but from the medical side of things instead of the social aspect after seeing how ingrained and unscientifically treated the social aspect has become. To say transgender people are anything other than real people with nuanced thoughts and feelings is to be the definition of transphobic, putting them as part of a monolith and stripping them of their humanity to push an ideology.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

ChaosAzeroth posted...

everything I keep seeing about survey size says that this is actually a good survey size and I'm really confused.

It's a good survey size as long as the sample is sufficiently randomised from the group. It's good if they're proportionately picked from every state and from both urban and rural populations. It's bad if it's all picked from one location.

With 3000 people, you generally wash out blips with pure volume.

The problem with that is that transgenders make up such a tiny percentage of the population that, if you're just taking the 3,000 people, you might only have 10-30 transgenders in there (in terms of size, that's basically a blip) so those handful of individuals' opinions skew the sample. And, of the remaining 3,000 people, you're probably only looking at about 1,300 or 1,400 straight men.
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mrduckbear posted...

Do you think this is true?

Probably not. It's just some hot take. Although I don't care for peoples political views.
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Ha yeah. And antifa are Republicans