Current Events > What are the odds of getting pregnant if The Pill is used or Condoms are used?

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I never get a clear answer on this.
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Pills about 9%.

Connies about 2%.

eleventeen
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About tree fiddy
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Never tell me the odds.
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Depends on how many times the condom is used.
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Either of these used properly gives you little chance of getting pregnant. Just the failure rates given for them include people who were too dumb to use them properly. Like condoms; only use once, put it on before going in not just when your close to finishing, etc. etc.

Feetish posted...

Pills about 9%.

Connies about 2%.

9 and 2% of what? Sexually active year? How many sexual encounters does that assume?
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Dunsworthy posted...

Either of these used properly gives you little chance of getting pregnant. Just the failure rates given for them include people who were too dumb to use them properly. Like condoms; only use once, put it on before going in not just when your close to finishing, etc. etc.

What do you mean by "little" though?

Chance of pregnancy per sexual encounter is 1/1000 1/1000000?
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if you don't want a kid, don't have sex
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Feetish posted...

Pills about 9%.

Connies about 2%.

This isn't really accurate.

Roughly 1-2% per person-year for combined oral contraceptives
About 4-8% per person-year for condoms
A hormonal IUS (e.g. Mirena) has about a total of 0.5-1% failure rate across 3 years.

These are all from studies of people using only the above method. If you combine multible compatible methods (e.g. OCP + condom, IUD + condom) you get even better efficacy

Sources:
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD003989.pub5/full
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004695.pub3/full
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD003550.pub2/full
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD009805.pub3/full
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Sonic Cannon posted...

Feetish posted...

Pills about 9%.

Connies about 2%.

This isn't really accurate.

Roughly 1-2% per person-year for combined oral contraceptives
About 4-8% per person-year for condoms
A hormonal IUS (e.g. Mirena) has about a total of 0.5-1% failure rate across 3 years.

These are all from studies of people using only the above method. If you combine multible compatible methods (e.g. OCP + condom, IUD + condom) you get even better efficacy

Sources:
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD003989.pub5/full
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004695.pub3/full
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD003550.pub2/full
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD009805.pub3/full

Is there any approximation of what a person-year of sex is?
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There have been people who still manged to knock someone up despite having it snipped, still wearing condoms and having their partner on the pill. So basically, if you aren't prepared to deal with a brat don't have sex, the only true 100 percent is for you yourself to be sterile
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tremain07 posted...

There have been people who still manged to knock someone up despite having it snipped, still wearing condoms and having their partner on the pill. So basically, if you aren't prepared to deal with a brat don't have sex, the only true 100 percent is for you yourself to be sterile

This is kinda the conclusion I've come to but it seems like almost everybody engages in casual sex and it's pretty normalized. Which is why I'm confused.
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0xDEFECADE posted...

if you don't want a kid, don't have sex

that is the TC's only option

LMAO
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joe40001 posted...

I never get a clear answer on this.

And you're expecting one here?

OB/Gyn here.

There are two categories of failure for each contraceptive method: perfect use and typical use. Perfect use is just that and is not the rate that people are counseled on because no one can use contraception perfectly. Typical use varies by method. The CDC has a very useful chart that lists failure rates for every type of contraception and sterilization.

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/contraception/unintendedpregnancy/pdf/Contraceptive_methods_508.pdf

This is a failure rate compiled from data that analyzed routine intercourse over a 1 year span and was corroborated by multiple studies. The statistics also run under the assumption that the woman is not oligomenorrheic or anovulatory prior to contraception use. Also of note, obesity can significantly lower the efficacy of progesterone-based contraception (which is basically everything with some exceptions). And this analyzes only one method of contraception, not hormonal method + condom, which is immensely more efficacious at preventing pregnancy than hormones alone.

Hope that helped.
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Straight sex is scary

tremain07 posted...

There have been people who still manged to knock someone up despite having it snipped, still wearing condoms and having their partner on the pill. So basically, if you aren't prepared to deal with a brat don't have sex, the only true 100 percent is for you yourself to be sterile

On the other hand, there are couples that have been trying for years without success. I think generally the risk of pregnancy even without protection is pretty low, but if you're regularly having sex with the same partner it's bound to happen eventually.

You could go hardcore and like, do condom + birth control pills + pullout but even a 0.5% chance is too high if you absolutely do not want kids at all.

You get complacent after a while too. When my girlfriend went on the pill I would still pull out every time, but eventually I started finishing inside and now I do that every time instead. You sort of have to trust in whatever form of contraceptive you're using, because not having sex is the only other alternative if you want to be 100% safe.
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Not sure, but I haven't gotten a girl pregnant yet giving her a creampie so I don't know
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MrK3V posted...

Not sure, but I haven't gotten a girl pregnant yet giving her a creampie so I don't know

Maybe youre shooting blanks.

Put the pill inside the condon and have her eat it, it will double the effect
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MrPeppers posted...

OB/Gyn here.

There are two categories of failure for each contraceptive method: perfect use and typical use. Perfect use is just that and is not the rate that people are counseled on because no one can use contraception perfectly. Typical use varies by method. The CDC has a very useful chart that lists failure rates for every type of contraception and sterilization.

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/contraception/unintendedpregnancy/pdf/Contraceptive_methods_508.pdf

This is a failure rate compiled from data that analyzed routine intercourse over a 1 year span and was corroborated by multiple studies. The statistics also run under the assumption that the woman is not oligomenorrheic or anovulatory prior to contraception use. Also of note, obesity can significantly lower the efficacy of progesterone-based contraception (which is basically everything with some exceptions). And this analyzes only one method of contraception, not hormonal method + condom, which is immensely more efficacious at preventing pregnancy than hormones alone.

Hope that helped.

That is helpful, but I would still like a definition of "routine intercourse", it seems to me like 12 times a year is different than 100 times so any approximate idea of what is assumed?
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Ultima Dragon posted...

tremain07 posted...

There have been people who still manged to knock someone up despite having it snipped, still wearing condoms and having their partner on the pill. So basically, if you aren't prepared to deal with a brat don't have sex, the only true 100 percent is for you yourself to be sterile

On the other hand, there are couples that have been trying for years without success. I think generally the risk of pregnancy even without protection is pretty low, but if you're regularly having sex with the same partner it's bound to happen eventually.

You could go hardcore and like, do condom + birth control pills + pullout but even a 0.5% chance is too high if you absolutely do not want kids at all.

You get complacent after a while too. When my girlfriend went on the pill I would still pull out every time, but eventually I started finishing inside and now I do that every time instead. You sort of have to trust in whatever form of contraceptive you're using, because not having sex is the only other alternative if you want to be 100% safe.

Are you ready/willing to have/raise a kid right now? If not how can you comfortably keep having sex?
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Ultima Dragon posted...

You could go hardcore and like, do condom + birth control pills + pullout but even a 0.5% chance is too high if you absolutely do not want kids at all.

(per year)
98% effective condom rate
91% effective pill rate
78% pullout rate
1 * .02 * .09 * .22 = .04% chance of getting pregnant while using all three of those methods, per year.

And then 78% again for plan B pill, on top of that, but generally you won't use plan B unless, like, the condom breaks and you don't pull out.

But still, those odds are fucking fine. "Oh just don't have sex!" Good lord, that's American sex education right there.

If you really, truly want to be secure on top of that, just get a vasectomy and freeze some sperm if you want kids. Hell, I've heard they've come out with a reversible vasectomy if you ever want to have kids. But vasectomies are 100% effective.
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joe40001 posted...

Ultima Dragon posted...

tremain07 posted...

There have been people who still manged to knock someone up despite having it snipped, still wearing condoms and having their partner on the pill. So basically, if you aren't prepared to deal with a brat don't have sex, the only true 100 percent is for you yourself to be sterile

On the other hand, there are couples that have been trying for years without success. I think generally the risk of pregnancy even without protection is pretty low, but if you're regularly having sex with the same partner it's bound to happen eventually.

You could go hardcore and like, do condom + birth control pills + pullout but even a 0.5% chance is too high if you absolutely do not want kids at all.

You get complacent after a while too. When my girlfriend went on the pill I would still pull out every time, but eventually I started finishing inside and now I do that every time instead. You sort of have to trust in whatever form of contraceptive you're using, because not having sex is the only other alternative if you want to be 100% safe.

Are you ready/willing to have/raise a kid right now? If not how can you comfortably keep having sex?

Of course I don't want a kid, but everything in life is arguably based on a risk/reward model. If you want something you often need to take chances to get it, and the best you can do is try to minimize your personal risk as much as possible (in this case using proper protection during sex).

Same thing if you wanted to go out to the bar on Friday night. You might go with a friend or two, maybe don't accept drinks from strangers, don't drink too much, have a plan for a safe ride home, etc. Or you could just sit at home alone every night because you're afraid of the off-chance you'll wake up in a back alley with your wallet missing or something.

You won't die from not having sex, but imo it's a big part of the human experience and sharing it with someone you care about can have tremendous benefits for your well-being. It does a lot for you mentally well beyond just "Lolz p in v feel gud!" You just have to trust that you are doing everything in your power to prevent an unfavourable outcome (aside from avoiding said activity entirely). If you also find a partner who absolutely does not want to have kids, you can have the abortion/adoption discussion early on to find out where you both stand. Then that's another option on the table if all else fails.
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Ultima Dragon posted...

joe40001 posted...

Ultima Dragon posted...

tremain07 posted...

There have been people who still manged to knock someone up despite having it snipped, still wearing condoms and having their partner on the pill. So basically, if you aren't prepared to deal with a brat don't have sex, the only true 100 percent is for you yourself to be sterile

On the other hand, there are couples that have been trying for years without success. I think generally the risk of pregnancy even without protection is pretty low, but if you're regularly having sex with the same partner it's bound to happen eventually.

You could go hardcore and like, do condom + birth control pills + pullout but even a 0.5% chance is too high if you absolutely do not want kids at all.

You get complacent after a while too. When my girlfriend went on the pill I would still pull out every time, but eventually I started finishing inside and now I do that every time instead. You sort of have to trust in whatever form of contraceptive you're using, because not having sex is the only other alternative if you want to be 100% safe.

Are you ready/willing to have/raise a kid right now? If not how can you comfortably keep having sex?

Of course I don't want a kid, but everything in life is arguably based on a risk/reward model. If you want something you often need to take chances to get it, and the best you can do is try to minimize your personal risk as much as possible (in this case using proper protection during sex).

Same thing if you wanted to go out to the bar on Friday night. You might go with a friend or two, maybe don't accept drinks from strangers, don't drink too much, have a plan for a safe ride home, etc. Or you could just sit at home alone every night because you're afraid of the off-chance you'll wake up in a back alley with your wallet missing or something.

You won't die from not having sex, but imo it's a big part of the human experience and sharing it with someone you care about can have tremendous benefits for your well-being. It does a lot for you mentally well beyond just "Lolz p in v feel gud!" You just have to trust that you are doing everything in your power to prevent an unfavourable outcome (aside from avoiding said activity entirely). If you also find a partner who absolutely does not want to have kids, you can have the abortion/adoption discussion early on to find out where you both stand. Then that's another option on the table if all else fails.

I just feel like the risk when it's "having a kid" is many many many orders of magnitude more severe than any other "risk/reward" scenario people bring up whenever I have this discussion.

And at the end of the day, sex is 100% optional, sure it's nice and you get to feel a lot better apparently, but it still feels like a selfish ultimately irresponsible choice if having a kid isn't something your are totally ok with.
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Lunaaaa posted...

Put the pill inside the condon and have her eat it, it will double the effect

"I tried using the Pill, but it kept falling out."
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What are the chances if you use the pill, condoms, and an IUD?
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When I first lost my virginity with my ltr, we fucked over 200 times the first month (I counted, eventually losing count) and kept a high sex drive for the first two years (sex at minimum once a day). And i never got pregnant. That was using condoms at first, then pull out, then depo provera, then the ring. Sooooo that may not answer your question but its an anecdote that says people having sex over 12 times a year may not get preggo
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joe40001 posted...

MrPeppers posted...

OB/Gyn here.

There are two categories of failure for each contraceptive method: perfect use and typical use. Perfect use is just that and is not the rate that people are counseled on because no one can use contraception perfectly. Typical use varies by method. The CDC has a very useful chart that lists failure rates for every type of contraception and sterilization.

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/contraception/unintendedpregnancy/pdf/Contraceptive_methods_508.pdf

This is a failure rate compiled from data that analyzed routine intercourse over a 1 year span and was corroborated by multiple studies. The statistics also run under the assumption that the woman is not oligomenorrheic or anovulatory prior to contraception use. Also of note, obesity can significantly lower the efficacy of progesterone-based contraception (which is basically everything with some exceptions). And this analyzes only one method of contraception, not hormonal method + condom, which is immensely more efficacious at preventing pregnancy than hormones alone.

Hope that helped.

That is helpful, but I would still like a definition of "routine intercourse", it seems to me like 12 times a year is different than 100 times so any approximate idea of what is assumed?

Sex at least once a week
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Condoms are the safest things you can use for safe sex. Make sure they're not expired though. Wrap it up.
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ThinkCritically posted...

Ultima Dragon posted...

You could go hardcore and like, do condom + birth control pills + pullout but even a 0.5% chance is too high if you absolutely do not want kids at all.

(per year)
98% effective condom rate
91% effective pill rate
78% pullout rate
1 * .02 * .09 * .22 = .04% chance of getting pregnant while using all three of those methods, per year.

And then 78% again for plan B pill, on top of that, but generally you won't use plan B unless, like, the condom breaks and you don't pull out.

But still, those odds are fucking fine. "Oh just don't have sex!" Good lord, that's American sex education right there.

If you really, truly want to be secure on top of that, just get a vasectomy and freeze some sperm if you want kids. Hell, I've heard they've come out with a reversible vasectomy if you ever want to have kids. But vasectomies are 100% effective.

Post vasectomy you still have a minuscule chance of causing a pregnancy.
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Condoms have a failure rate of 18%, not 2%. I dont know where you guys are pulling that nonsense.

And vasectomies tend to fail in the first 6 months post procedure, but theyre far more effective than female sterilization. Really only the Nexplanon beats it.
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joe40001 posted...

Ultima Dragon posted...

joe40001 posted...

Ultima Dragon posted...

tremain07 posted...

There have been people who still manged to knock someone up despite having it snipped, still wearing condoms and having their partner on the pill. So basically, if you aren't prepared to deal with a brat don't have sex, the only true 100 percent is for you yourself to be sterile

On the other hand, there are couples that have been trying for years without success. I think generally the risk of pregnancy even without protection is pretty low, but if you're regularly having sex with the same partner it's bound to happen eventually.

You could go hardcore and like, do condom + birth control pills + pullout but even a 0.5% chance is too high if you absolutely do not want kids at all.

You get complacent after a while too. When my girlfriend went on the pill I would still pull out every time, but eventually I started finishing inside and now I do that every time instead. You sort of have to trust in whatever form of contraceptive you're using, because not having sex is the only other alternative if you want to be 100% safe.

Are you ready/willing to have/raise a kid right now? If not how can you comfortably keep having sex?

Of course I don't want a kid, but everything in life is arguably based on a risk/reward model. If you want something you often need to take chances to get it, and the best you can do is try to minimize your personal risk as much as possible (in this case using proper protection during sex).

Same thing if you wanted to go out to the bar on Friday night. You might go with a friend or two, maybe don't accept drinks from strangers, don't drink too much, have a plan for a safe ride home, etc. Or you could just sit at home alone every night because you're afraid of the off-chance you'll wake up in a back alley with your wallet missing or something.

You won't die from not having sex, but imo it's a big part of the human experience and sharing it with someone you care about can have tremendous benefits for your well-being. It does a lot for you mentally well beyond just "Lolz p in v feel gud!" You just have to trust that you are doing everything in your power to prevent an unfavourable outcome (aside from avoiding said activity entirely). If you also find a partner who absolutely does not want to have kids, you can have the abortion/adoption discussion early on to find out where you both stand. Then that's another option on the table if all else fails.

I just feel like the risk when it's "having a kid" is many many many orders of magnitude more severe than any other "risk/reward" scenario people bring up whenever I have this discussion.

And at the end of the day, sex is 100% optional, sure it's nice and you get to feel a lot better apparently, but it still feels like a selfish ultimately irresponsible choice if having a kid isn't something your are totally ok with.

This is a really weird take. Sex is important for a lot of people. Abortion exists.

I mean casually throwing out how abortion is always an option is probably not the most appropriate means to go about this, especially considering how much higher the morbidity is compared to a primary, secondary, and tertiary contraceptive method.
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MrPeppers posted...

I mean casually throwing out how abortion is always an option is probably not the most appropriate means to go about this, especially considering how much higher the morbidity is compared to a primary, secondary, and tertiary contraceptive method.

I'm not sure what your point is here. TC clearly thinks people just shouldn't have sex. That's beyond unreasonable.

_Rinku_ posted...

MrPeppers posted...

I mean casually throwing out how abortion is always an option is probably not the most appropriate means to go about this, especially considering how much higher the morbidity is compared to a primary, secondary, and tertiary contraceptive method.

I'm not sure what your point is here. TC clearly thinks people just shouldn't have sex. That's beyond unreasonable.

I think there is an argument to be made that since there is a non negligible chance to create a child people who aren't 100% ok with that outcome should not be having sex.

I basically want somebody to convince me otherwise, because I personally would like to have sex at some point, but so far that's my functional conclusion and so I'm asking to hear how other people reconcile their sex having with the possible consequence.
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Daffadilio posted...

When I first lost my virginity with my ltr, we fucked over 200 times the first month (I counted, eventually losing count) and kept a high sex drive for the first two years (sex at minimum once a day). And i never got pregnant. That was using condoms at first, then pull out, then depo provera, then the ring. Sooooo that may not answer your question but its an anecdote that says people having sex over 12 times a year may not get preggo

Ok but had they got pregnant you wouldn't really have an excuse or anything, right? It was something that totally could have happened and totally changed your life and if it happened what would you do? What would you say/think?
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joe40001 posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

MrPeppers posted...

I mean casually throwing out how abortion is always an option is probably not the most appropriate means to go about this, especially considering how much higher the morbidity is compared to a primary, secondary, and tertiary contraceptive method.

I'm not sure what your point is here. TC clearly thinks people just shouldn't have sex. That's beyond unreasonable.

I think there is an argument to be made that since there is a non negligible chance to create a child people who aren't 100% ok with that outcome should not be having sex.

I basically want somebody to convince me otherwise, because I personally would like to have sex at some point, but so far that's my functional conclusion and so I'm asking to hear how other people reconcile their sex having with the possible consequence.

Since there's a non-negliglible chance to get into a wreck, people who aren't 100% okay with getting t-boned at an intersection should not be driving.

See how dumb that sounds? You're acting like we have no means of dealing with this stuff. If you're uncomfortable with abortion, whatever, do you. Don't act like that's the law or the way everyone should act though.

_Rinku_ posted...

joe40001 posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

MrPeppers posted...

I mean casually throwing out how abortion is always an option is probably not the most appropriate means to go about this, especially considering how much higher the morbidity is compared to a primary, secondary, and tertiary contraceptive method.

I'm not sure what your point is here. TC clearly thinks people just shouldn't have sex. That's beyond unreasonable.

I think there is an argument to be made that since there is a non negligible chance to create a child people who aren't 100% ok with that outcome should not be having sex.

I basically want somebody to convince me otherwise, because I personally would like to have sex at some point, but so far that's my functional conclusion and so I'm asking to hear how other people reconcile their sex having with the possible consequence.

Since there's a non-negliglible chance to get into a wreck, people who aren't 100% okay with getting t-boned at an intersection should not be driving.

See how dumb that sounds? You're acting like we have no means of dealing with this stuff. If you're uncomfortable with abortion, whatever, do you. Don't act like that's the law or the way everyone should act though.

The car thing is a bad example for tons of reasons. I've heard it a bunch, and the odds of fatal wrecks per time driving responsibly are much lower and also the necessity of transportation to functional life is much higher.

I'm not saying it's "the law", but if
1. You don't want to get an abortion
2. You don't want to have a kid
Then it logically follows you probably should not be having sex, because the odds of getting somebody pregnant is not sufficiently small to dismiss. Yet it is very common, which confuses me.
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joe40001 posted...

The car thing is a bad example for tons of reasons. I've heard it a bunch, and the odds of fatal wrecks per time driving responsibly are much lower and also the necessity of transportation to functional life is much higher.

I'm not saying it's "the law", but if
1. You don't want to get an abortion
2. You don't want to have a kid
Then it logically follows you probably should not be having sex, because the odds of getting somebody pregnant is not sufficiently small to dismiss. Yet it is very common, which confuses me.

And that's different from the "risk" of sex how?
Sex is super important to a lot of people. It's how they experience intimacy and relieve stress. Again, you're acting as if there's no way to deal with the potential results of sex.

Do you not feel a strong physical desire to have sex? I'm asexual myself, so I obviously don't have an empathetic understanding of it, but I get that most people feel really off if they're not having sex occasionally. It's not a need in the way food or shelter are, but it's clearly important to some.

_Rinku_ posted...

joe40001 posted...

The car thing is a bad example for tons of reasons. I've heard it a bunch, and the odds of fatal wrecks per time driving responsibly are much lower and also the necessity of transportation to functional life is much higher.

I'm not saying it's "the law", but if
1. You don't want to get an abortion
2. You don't want to have a kid
Then it logically follows you probably should not be having sex, because the odds of getting somebody pregnant is not sufficiently small to dismiss. Yet it is very common, which confuses me.

And that's different from the "risk" of sex how?
Sex is super important to a lot of people. It's how they experience intimacy and relieve stress. Again, you're acting as if there's no way to deal with the potential results of sex.

Do you not feel a strong physical desire to have sex? I'm asexual myself, so I obviously don't have an empathetic understanding of it, but I get that most people feel really off if they're not having sex occasionally. It's not a need in the way food or shelter are, but it's clearly important to some.

I don't know what you are asking with the "risk" question. It doesn't seem to be responding to anything you are quoting.

This is a muddied discussion if we treat abortion as "no big deal" which some people it is and some people it is not.

Which is why I go back to my statement of
1. You don't want to get an abortion
2. You don't want to have a kid
You should not be having sex.

The positive benefits are effectively irrelevant if 1 and 2 are totally true for a person, and I do believe they are quite true for many people who still engage in sexual activity.
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joe40001 posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

joe40001 posted...

The car thing is a bad example for tons of reasons. I've heard it a bunch, and the odds of fatal wrecks per time driving responsibly are much lower and also the necessity of transportation to functional life is much higher.

I'm not saying it's "the law", but if
1. You don't want to get an abortion
2. You don't want to have a kid
Then it logically follows you probably should not be having sex, because the odds of getting somebody pregnant is not sufficiently small to dismiss. Yet it is very common, which confuses me.

And that's different from the "risk" of sex how?
Sex is super important to a lot of people. It's how they experience intimacy and relieve stress. Again, you're acting as if there's no way to deal with the potential results of sex.

Do you not feel a strong physical desire to have sex? I'm asexual myself, so I obviously don't have an empathetic understanding of it, but I get that most people feel really off if they're not having sex occasionally. It's not a need in the way food or shelter are, but it's clearly important to some.

I don't know what you are asking with the "risk" question. It doesn't seem to be responding to anything you are quoting.

This is a muddied discussion if we treat abortion as "no big deal" which some people it is and some people it is not.

Which is why I go back to my statement of
1. You don't want to get an abortion
2. You don't want to have a kid
You should not be having sex.

The positive benefits are effectively irrelevant if 1 and 2 are totally true for a person, and I do believe they are quite true for many people who still engage in sexual activity.

Ah, I wasn't sure if that was what you were doing, but now I see...

You also didn't answer my question. You're not interested in having a sincere discussion on the matter and merely want to preach to others.

joe40001 posted...

Daffadilio posted...

When I first lost my virginity with my ltr, we fucked over 200 times the first month (I counted, eventually losing count) and kept a high sex drive for the first two years (sex at minimum once a day). And i never got pregnant. That was using condoms at first, then pull out, then depo provera, then the ring. Sooooo that may not answer your question but its an anecdote that says people having sex over 12 times a year may not get preggo

Ok but had they got pregnant you wouldn't really have an excuse or anything, right? It was something that totally could have happened and totally changed your life and if it happened what would you do? What would you say/think?

Could it have happened during that period of time? Not once I went with the birth controls. You have to have faith that stuff it going to work, and since it was the shot and the ring, not pills, I wasnt ever lowering their rate of being effective by imperfect use. Had I gotten pregnant, I would have had to accept the consequences and deal with them (probably with an abortion since I was 15 at that time), but here I am 12 years later having still never once been pregnant despite living a pretty sexually active life with no shame. Because in about 90% of
my sexual encounters I have been responsible by using some kind of preventative measure and on the times where I failed to before hand, I used plan B and was covered after the fact. If I got pregnant tomorrow (I wont, but if) I would be keeping the baby as Im now 27 and would make it work.
My best friend never used condoms and was in a ltr for 9 years, they only used pulling out and trying to be conscious of her ovulation cycle. She did get pregnant once towards the end of those 9 yrs, and had to have an abortion and I know it impacted her greatly and one of those outcomes is she is now dedicated to condom usage. its just life, yo.
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Holy shit @ 9% with the pill. I thought it was over 99% effective

I should have like 5 kids with my gf by now. Maybe I am sterile.
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theAteam posted...

Holy shit @ 9% with the pill. I thought it was over 99% effective

I should have like 5 kids with my gf by now. Maybe I am sterile.

You're reading it wrong.

It's 99% with perfect use, 91% with typical. Meaning 99/100 people using it perfectly will not get pregnant, 91/100 using it typically will not get pregnant. That's in a given year.

It's not you have a 9% chance of getting pregnant each time.
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Ultima Dragon posted...

You could go hardcore and like, do condom + birth control pills + pullout but even a 0.5% chance is too high if you absolutely do not want kids at all.

You get complacent after a while too. When my girlfriend went on the pill I would still pull out every time, but eventually I started finishing inside and now I do that every time instead. You sort of have to trust in whatever form of contraceptive you're using, because not having sex is the only other alternative if you want to be 100% safe.

My gf and I do birth control(the implant) + condoms. There are times when we do no condoms, but when that happens, I'm pretty much on edge for the next few weeks.

I know statistically it's low, but fuck. It scares me
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