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AngelsNAirwav3s
07/29/19 7:03:05 PM
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/29/fornite-world-cup-100-finalists-female-gamer-esports-pro-sexism

Despite the 100 qualifying players being decided by 100% online, totally open qualifying heats over 10 weeks with over 40 million players... apparently no women qualified because the gaming community is full of toxic masculinity. Give me a break lol. GIT GUD. I don't think this phrase has ever made more sense
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Correct_Facts
07/29/19 7:04:02 PM
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Paper_Okami
07/29/19 7:06:02 PM
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maybe you should actually read the article

This is a longstanding problem: in 2016, when the BBC interviewed pro gamer Steph Harvey for its 100 Women series, she stated: Its still a boys club so as a woman youre automatically judged for being different. The way I get harassed is about what they would do to my body, about why I dont deserve to be there because I use my sexuality its all extremely graphic.

Earlier this year, Susie Kim, then manager of the London Spitfires team of professional Overwatch players, was asked by the Associated Press if women were good enough to play at the highest levels. Absolutely, she said. But theyre just like, Its a headache. I dont want to be part of this at all. I dont blame them. Even women who make it into well-known professional esports teams are subject to abuse and belittlement. In June, streamer and pro player Lunarkats, who creates content for the Lazurus team, tweeted a video of her playing Counter Strike Global Offensive online and receiving sexualised abuse from her own team-mates.

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YourDrunkFather
07/29/19 7:07:20 PM
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Equality is giving women shit they havent earned because theyre women.
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Nanaimo-Bar
07/29/19 7:07:59 PM
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It's not exclusive to video games, either. Of the top 100 chess players, for example, only one is female (Hou Yifan, #88)

https://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml

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legendarylemur
07/29/19 7:08:30 PM
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Well there are studies that women can easily be as competent of a player as male, just that they don't feel the same level of competitive drive. It isn't like traditional sports where they're disadvantaged by physiques either, in this case more of a mental and cultural thing.

Also yeah the infrastructure isn't exactly built to defend women from harassment, and there's no stopping the internet from doing anything bad

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Paper_Okami
07/29/19 7:09:25 PM
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Spooking posted...
How are males able to compete when they get attacked 10x worse than females do online?


lol

imagine believing this
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Darmik
07/29/19 7:09:55 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
This isnt because women and girls arent playing games. The latest figures from the Entertainment Software Association show that 46% of gamers are women


i knew before reading any of the article that it was going to bring up this disingenuous statistic

yeah cuz, ya know, women who play Candy Crush on their phone while they are waiting in line at the bank or whatever are totally all also trying to break into big league e-sports


Fortnite is on of the most popular games on the planet right now
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E32005
07/29/19 7:10:16 PM
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Spooking posted...
How are males able to compete when they get attacked 10x worse than females do online?

how do you not have an MLP sig with posts like this

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DarkRoast
07/29/19 7:10:21 PM
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I used to win local Mario Kart tournaments in the early 2000s but the guys are always insufferable.
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PleaseClap
07/29/19 7:10:53 PM
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It's been scientifically proven that women don't possess the Gamer gene, it's a simple fact

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CM_Ponch
07/29/19 7:11:36 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...


T
Sounds like excuses

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Milkman5
07/29/19 7:12:09 PM
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what a weird narrative

its an anonymous merit based ranking system
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DarkRoast
07/29/19 7:14:04 PM
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Offworlder1 posted...
If you have the skill and don't give a shit about what other people say then you will "go the distance", however if you can't take what people are saying then don't bother because everyone in competitive gaming trash talks big time that is just how things are and always has been. Women/girls can either adapt and give as good as they get or not be competitive, men bust each other's balls all the time and most don't let it get to them.


Seriously shut up. Guy gamers are basically incel assholes to females. They basically think we exist for sexual gratification (that they can't get despite being "nice" and giving us Cheetos)
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Middle hope
07/29/19 7:14:54 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
lol

imagine believing this
Have you ever played an online game? I have yet to go one day without someone in a lobby calling me gay or dropping an N bomb in my direction, and I'm not even black.

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E32005
07/29/19 7:14:56 PM
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idgi? isnt it based off wins/losses?

not sure how these tournaments work
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DarkRoast
07/29/19 7:16:18 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
DarkRoast posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
If you have the skill and don't give a shit about what other people say then you will "go the distance", however if you can't take what people are saying then don't bother because everyone in competitive gaming trash talks big time that is just how things are and always has been. Women/girls can either adapt and give as good as they get or not be competitive, men bust each other's balls all the time and most don't let it get to them.


Seriously shut up. Guy gamers are basically incel assholes to females. They basically think we exist for sexual gratification (that they can't get despite being "nice" and giving us Cheetos)

i recognize that some men in the gaming community have issues with this, but please do not lump every single male gamer into this category of assholes, that's very much not appreciated


In my experience, it's the norm rather than the exception.

Especially at fighting game events. That community is embarrassing.
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Offworlder1
07/29/19 7:16:37 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
Seriously shut up. Guy gamers are basically incel assholes to females. They basically think we exist for sexual gratification (that they can't get despite being "nice" and giving us Cheetos)

Get THICKER SKIN, no woman worth her salt out to get money and win is going to give a shit about that.
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EndOfDiscOne
07/29/19 7:16:46 PM
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End the patriarchy
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Darmik
07/29/19 7:17:13 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
Darmik posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
This isnt because women and girls arent playing games. The latest figures from the Entertainment Software Association show that 46% of gamers are women


i knew before reading any of the article that it was going to bring up this disingenuous statistic

yeah cuz, ya know, women who play Candy Crush on their phone while they are waiting in line at the bank or whatever are totally all also trying to break into big league e-sports


Fortnite is on of the most popular games on the planet right now

and?


And around 30% of the Fortnite playerbase are women.

Going by how many people play Fortnite that's at least 20 million women.
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MC_BatCommander
07/29/19 7:18:02 PM
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Guess the ladies need to git gud

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Nanaimo-Bar
07/29/19 7:18:50 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
i recognize that some men in the gaming community have issues with this, but please do not lump every single male gamer into this category of assholes, that's very much not appreciated
One of my (female) friends was streaming Overwatch competitive for us. She hadn't even opened her mic (so nobody else knew she was a girl) before someone said they wanted to eat her out. I assume because she was using the pink breast cancer Mercy skin. >_>

I can only imagine how much worse it would be if opened her mic after that.


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OmegaPillow
07/29/19 7:19:45 PM
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Maybe they should get good then
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Reis
07/29/19 7:20:26 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
Guess the ladies need to git gud


OmegaPillow posted...
Maybe they should get good then


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Paper_Okami
07/29/19 7:20:30 PM
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Offworlder1 posted...
DarkRoast posted...
Seriously shut up. Guy gamers are basically incel assholes to females. They basically think we exist for sexual gratification (that they can't get despite being "nice" and giving us Cheetos)

Get THICKER SKIN, no woman worth her salt out to get money and win is going to give a shit about that.


shut the fuck up

get thicker skin has never been anything but a dumb argument that lets shitty people continue being shitty and puts the blame on the people fucking getting harassed
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AngelsNAirwav3s
07/29/19 7:21:00 PM
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Nanaimo-Bar posted...
[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

One of my (female) friends was streaming Overwatch competitive for us. She hadn't even opened her mic (so nobody else knew she was a girl) before someone said they wanted to eat her out. I assume because she was using the pink breast cancer Mercy skin. >_>

I can only imagine how much worse it would be if opened her mic after that.



Pretty sure this Fortnite tournament was single player, couldn't a girl just mute everyone?
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Paper_Okami
07/29/19 7:21:20 PM
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Middle hope posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
lol

imagine believing this
Have you ever played an online game? I have yet to go one day without someone in a lobby calling me gay or dropping an N bomb in my direction, and I'm not even black.


are you being attacked for your gender and sexually harassed?
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DarkRoast
07/29/19 7:21:55 PM
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Offworlder1 posted...
DarkRoast posted...
Seriously shut up. Guy gamers are basically incel assholes to females. They basically think we exist for sexual gratification (that they can't get despite being "nice" and giving us Cheetos)

Get THICKER SKIN, no woman worth her salt out to get money and win is going to give a shit about that.


Please, I make more money in one day moonlighting than any gamer could win in any normal competition. The winnings aren't really that much except for national competitions.

I don't go to competitions for the money.
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Darmik
07/29/19 7:23:25 PM
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Spooking posted...
Darmik posted...
And around 30% of the Fortnite playerbase are women.

Going by how many people play Fortnite that's at least 20 million women.
And that entire 30% didn't make the Fortnite World Cup because of some mean comments? :/


I don't have Epic's data so I don't know why. I'm sure Epic will be wondering why this was the case. They wouldn't want Fortnite pro play to be considered a boys club.
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Nanaimo-Bar
07/29/19 7:24:23 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
Pretty sure this Fortnite tournament was single player, couldn't a girl just mute everyone?
It was less a comment about the tournament, and more a comment about the competitive gaming community's animosity towards women in general.

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Offworlder1
07/29/19 7:26:36 PM
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This kind of sensitiveness makes me long for the MW2 lobbies game chats where you either "adapted or quit", most people adapted because they were not snowflakes like we have today.

The stuff said in those lobbies was some of the worst and funniest shit you could hear on the internet but it showed how people could take it and dish it right back to people.
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OmegaPillow
07/29/19 7:26:48 PM
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Nanaimo-Bar posted...
AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
Pretty sure this Fortnite tournament was single player, couldn't a girl just mute everyone?
It was less a comment about the tournament, and more a comment about the competitive gaming community's animosity towards women in general.
then thats different
Most of them still think girls are icky , alot of gamers have social issues and girls that make their weiners go hard makes them uncomfortable . They think being an egomaniac towards woman turns them on since they can't be bad boys because most of them are soft
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OmegaPillow
07/29/19 7:27:53 PM
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Offworlder1 posted...
This kind of sensitiveness makes me long for the MW2 lobbies game chats where you either "adapted or quit", most people adapted because they were not snowflakes like we have today.

The stuff said in those lobbies was some of the worst and funniest shit you could hear on the internet but it showed how people could take it and dish it right back to people.

Hilarious memories. The n word was the most common insult even directed at caucasions. Oh and apparently alot of them fucked my mom
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DarthAragorn
07/29/19 7:28:07 PM
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Offworlder1 posted...
This kind of sensitiveness makes me long for the MW2 lobbies game chats where you either "adapted or quit", most people adapted because they were not snowflakes like we have today.

The stuff said in those lobbies was some of the worst and funniest shit you could hear on the internet but it showed how people could take it and dish it right back to people.

Modern Warfare 2 was peak online gaming and we'll never see its like again
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Darmik
07/29/19 7:28:19 PM
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Offworlder1 posted...
This kind of sensitiveness makes me long for the MW2 lobbies game chats where you either "adapted or quit", most people adapted because they were not snowflakes like we have today.

The stuff said in those lobbies was some of the worst and funniest shit you could hear on the internet but it showed how people could take it and dish it right back to people.


There's a reason public lobbies dropped in popularity as soon as private chats were a thing dude.
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DifferentialEquation
07/29/19 7:30:11 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
If you have the skill and don't give a shit about what other people say then you will "go the distance", however if you can't take what people are saying then don't bother because everyone in competitive gaming trash talks big time that is just how things are and always has been. Women/girls can either adapt and give as good as they get or not be competitive, men bust each other's balls all the time and most don't let it get to them.


Seriously shut up. Guy gamers are basically incel assholes to females. They basically think we exist for sexual gratification (that they can't get despite being "nice" and giving us Cheetos)


Or they're just mean to everyone. Back when I played games on Xbox live I never used my mic but still would have random people cursing at me and sending me hatemail. And nowadays, semi-serious players are on their own private chat programs with their regular group of people they play with, and companies are now bending over backwards to ban anyone engaging in "toxic behavior" so it's not really a valid excuse anymore.

Other people being jerks is not a reason to not achieve greatness. Mike Tyson grew up in a high crime area, had other kids mock him because of his voice and he grew up during a time when black people had to deal with racism. He still became a legendary boxer. I think he had it a lot worse than people being insulted online.
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thronedfire2
07/29/19 7:30:26 PM
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Middle hope posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
lol

imagine believing this
Have you ever played an online game? I have yet to go one day without someone in a lobby calling me gay or dropping an N bomb in my direction, and I'm not even black.


People arent saying that because they think youre a black guy, theyre just saying it because theyre immature assholes

But girls DO get extra harassment and threats just for being girls
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DocileOrangeCup
07/29/19 7:33:57 PM
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I'm SICK and TIRED of gamers being told their SEXIST

There are gamers that are sexiiiiist yes but I'M A GAMER and I'm NOT sexist. There's nothing more epic than treating all people with RESPECT #riseup
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Offworlder1
07/29/19 7:40:24 PM
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I know most of you won't be able to take it but here is just a glimpse into the world of MW2 trash talk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AjyrglP5dE" data-time="

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Offworlder1
07/29/19 7:56:24 PM
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Lol, if you could handle that you could handle anything in today's gaming world.
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DarkRoast
07/29/19 7:57:45 PM
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DocileOrangeCup posted...
I'm SICK and TIRED of gamers being told their SEXIST

There are gamers that are sexiiiiist yes but I'M A GAMER and I'm NOT sexist. There's nothing more epic than treating all people with RESPECT #riseup


*They're
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AngelsNAirwav3s
07/29/19 7:59:17 PM
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I was never big into COD, but that reminds me of the Halo 2 and 3 lobbies, half the fun was trolling everyone else. The entire goal was to get the "I would whoop the shit out of you in real life!!!!" angry response, that was so hilarious
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