Board 8 > Godzilla Mafia Topic 6: Persecution of the Masses

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MZero11 posted...

Can you remember any games off hand where you and red were scum together?

Dance with Dragons for sure, and after that another game where Red was scum with me and Ben. It was one of the first games where we used discord as the scum board
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Oh the second one was when it was Red, Me, Ben, Battle, and.... someone else I forget, sorry. And it was the game where I sacrificed myself into Han.
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ScareChan posted...

I recall catching him very quickly previously and he absolutely does not want to mess with me going foreward so he is going all in in hopes of getting me lynched today not to deal with me tomorrow when it would be a less than stellar situation omorrow for town.

When did you catch me very quickly?

I think Lea has been more interested in lynching you than I have so far. I've been combing through the game and finding that everything that points in one direction is met by something that points in another, at least between you and IGCD. MZero has been looking better overall thus far.
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Lea just doesnt want me in f3 out of fear of me being scum moreso than beliving I am scum
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Also Scare why does scum poison Popcorn and take a relatively easy mislynch off the table?
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ScareChan posted...

I also did not go after Plum, who I would have absolutely dunked as scum just because I could because theres a lot of love loss there

You ended day 3 with your vote on him while you were half heartedly trying to fight the Corrik lynch <_<
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ScareChan posted...

So I subbed in to start day 1. So that means that scum was only down a roleblocker and left on the scum team was an untargetable, a scum jack, and whatever else they have

Why "whatever else they have" instead of "godfather"?

If it's anything other than Godfather (or Godfather Poisoner, in my case), Lea is the only possible scum. If she's town everyone else is scanned innocent, confirming godfather as the last scum role.
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So anyway, my big takeaway from reading through the game a second time is that MZero is likely town. So IGCD and Scare in either order is a safe bet to win the game. But I still want to get it right the first time, for personal pride if nothing else. Think I'll put off working on that more until tomorrow though. I might not be around for long prior to the deadline on Sunday, so I'll try to reach a conclusion by that morning.
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Leanansidhe posted...

If IGCD is town, why did scum not shoot me?

WIFOM
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Are all the topics still on B8 or do I need to go to knocked down tree faqs.
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I meant WIFOM people like me into considering the possibility of you being scum. Ulti actually demonstrated his power already so he was more confirmed than you. and the only one of your scans to flip so far was plum and you claimed the scan after. Of course, no one really bit on it except me, and even I'm not considering it unless you're alive tomorrow

anyway I think the Ulti kill makes more sense regardless for the reasons I outlined above, and even if you are cop there are no more guilty scanning players in the game anyway so it's not urgent to get rid of you (power wise)
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Scare = Lolo and Sultan = MZero, correct?
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Also to add to that, until I have presented enough of a reason to not be lynched do you really think that there has been enough doubt removed from me that I can avoid a lynch? If anything leaving you alive makes me look worse because it comes across like I left you alive for the godfather scan.
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Leanansidhe posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Scare = Lolo and Sultan = MZero, correct?

Yup

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Also to add to that, until I have presented enough of a reason to not be lynched do you really think that there has been enough doubt removed from me that I can avoid a lynch? If anything leaving you alive makes me look worse because it comes across like I left you alive for the godfather scan.

But Ulti and friends would lynch you if I died because they'd assume you scanned guilty. It's mostly that free mislynch I'm side eyeing.

Also the teensiest but of paranoia about Panth creeping in but poisoning claimed vanilla popcorn is just so not a scum kill

But where do they go from there? I see it as an endgame play because yes I would have been auto lynched but then that leave Ulti, Panth, Mzeo, and Scare. Ulti being as volatile as he can be seems more like he would have been a wild card for scum to rely on for a vote. I suppose he actually probably would have been the night kill following me, leaving Panth, Scare and Mzero. Looking at this, I feel like it has to be Panth. Because it seems pretty unbalanced to give town the extra kill when that could have easily backfired and this game would have been over a while ago if Panth hit scum.
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I feel like scum would be pretty confident that if IGCD was town, they could either get him mislynched anyway or get him to sheep them. Leaving Lea alive to scan him also makes it likelier we let the day play out (if Lea died, Ulti at least seems like he'd probably have pushed to just lynch IGCD quickly to get it out of the way) and that gives time for paranoia to creep in on Lea (and me)
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DrPez posted...

Official Votals as of post 270

(1) Scare: Lea
(1) Panth: Scare
(0) MZero: (Scare)

@ me with any errors
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch

Leanansidhe posted...

Alright, yeah, I'm convinced. I won't hold the NK against IGCD.

I pretty much always kill you over Ulti first you know
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ScareChan posted...

Leanansidhe posted...

Alright, yeah, I'm convinced. I won't hold the NK against IGCD.

I pretty much always kill you over Ulti first you know

If she knows that and you know she knows that why would you do it
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Eventful evening I see

Scare, what made you feel so sure about Corrik being town when you didn't seem caught up enough to know what the case on him was?
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DrPez posted...

DrPez posted...

Official Votals as of post 276

(1) Scare: Lea
(1) Panth: Scare
(0) MZero: (Scare)

@ me with any errors
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch

Panthera posted...

Eventful evening I see

Scare, what made you feel so sure about Corrik being town when you didn't seem caught up enough to know what the case on him was?

scum corrik doesnt put the effort he did
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Scum Corrik isn't exactly lazy. He went on a giant quote digging spree back in that wacky Blade game last year as scum. I don't see how the effort level alone sells anything.
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Well my read was right so you can try and discredit me all you want but the facts are the facts. I called corrik town, he was town. I called red scum, he was scum.

So either try and case me or dont
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Leanansidhe posted...

Case: It's easy for scum to be 100% accurate and you did nothing with this magic read to try and save Corrik. Plus there was no one who didn't call Red scum

shush you
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ScareChan posted...

Well my read was right so you can try and discredit me all you want but the facts are the facts. I called corrik town, he was town. I called red scum, he was scum.

So either try and case me or dont

I would say questioning you on the literal only thing you sort of did is a good attempt to try to figure you out.

For all the talk of how you found Red scum, when the votes were 5-3 Corrik-Red, you unvoted Red to go sit on Plum for the rest of the day. I don't think there's much cause to celebrate you as the Epic Red Killer when you peaced out on him when it was still somewhat on the table.
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I really want feedback on what to make of how Blade approached the Lolo/Scare slot this game. He made a point of bringing Lolo's lack of activity up a couple times on day 1 in kind of an odd way. He put Red to -2 before Scare put him to -1, then a day or two later started focusing on talking about how Scare should take some heat for it. The scum team piling onto Red there is not necessarily impossible because Red, even before he went into WIFOM give up mode, made it clear he was quite confident Ulti would mayor him, but it still looks like a bit of an odd thing for scum to do, and Blade was keen on making sure people thought Scare looked sketchy for the role he played in day 2 being so short. Blade's general attacks on this player slot combined with Scare setting the stage for Corrik to hammer (assuming you believe Red didn't want it to happen to force the mayor issue and make Corrik look bad, ...and assuming you believe Scare knew what votals were <_<) are probably the best argument in favour of it being town.

Scare's posting today isn't a good look. This is what he posted after voting me:

ScareChan posted...

I recall catching him very quickly previously and he absolutely does not want to mess with me going foreward so he is going all in in hopes of getting me lynched today not to deal with me tomorrow when it would be a less than stellar situation omorrow for town.

So this isn't even an actual argument, it's just a description of what he thinks I'd be doing here if I were scum. He's not looking to solve my alignment and prove it, he's just coming up with a way to try to fit my actions into the conclusion he wants to push. Hard to see this as a genuine effort, especially when it came just a few hours after he was talking about he hasn't read a single page of the game in full. He's basically just trying to talk about how I'm responding to him catching me without doing anything to try to catch me.
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Idk it looks like the scum team were all bussing pretty hard

And Scare's evaluation of your play today is weird because as far as I can tell you have been pretty open to either God or Scare today for the most part
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MZero11 posted...

Idk it looks like the scum team were all bussing pretty hard

Yeah it does, it's just hard to not be paranoid that the bussing had a limit somewhere.
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They both mostly avoided HB right?
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Blade attacked HB early on for how he was discussing the SK meta and I think kept it up a fair bit, his vote was on HB for a lot of the day I think. IIRC he unvoted when it was -1 or -2 to keep the day alive so he could poke at Chris for a while but was talking like he still wanted the lynch. Red I think largely avoided the HB situation, all I really remember is he latched onto the idea that Chris being super focused on one guy was unusual but I don't think he really weighed in on HB himself much
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Well I'm here a lot later than I expected. Oh well, at least a sleepless night ruining my plans for the day means I'll be here for the deadline, which I'm sure will be an exciting and fast paced continuation of this highly active game of mafia.

Anyway

##Vote: Scare

Fairly confident at this point.

Leanansidhe posted...

I hear the maddened whispers of the dead. Chris, Ghost King Eternal, is displeased. Town really went off the rails since he died. Corrik is still insisting he's town doctor. Sir Lopen hasn't really been keeping up tbqh. With every post, they collectively moan that town has 0% to win because they're so off base. If only they had killed Lea instead of me, this game would already be over, says Ulti. Could it be any more obvious that it's X?? Most dynasties collapse by the third generation. Oh ye Chris, you saved us but we did not learn to be self sufficient. I beseech thee to strike down the final scum with your divine lightning. Scum lynched themselves this game while Town refused to play. I hear the maddened whispers of the dead. They say that soon I will join them.

lol

The whole dead town chat thing usually having the host reveal the scum team probably does not help at all with the dead town tendency to want to scream at the living players for not seeing how obvious everything is.
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I would lynch panth tomorrow

But lea being alive would be super concerning as well
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Official Votals as of post 295

(2) Scare: Lea, Panth
(1) Panth: Scare
(0) MZero: (Scare)

@ me with any errors
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch

It should be noted that deadline is still 8 PM
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ScareChan posted...

I would lynch panth tomorrow

But lea being alive would be super concerning as well

What is the scenario where Lea, as the one scum who has totally avoided suspicion, clams cop to counter a Corrik claim with several other players unclaimed (Plum and Firebolt were, and IIRC Scare you still haven't claimed) when Corrik is laying out why the set up logically calls for another scanner to exist, instead of just not exposing herself to a potential counter claim that would essentially guarantee scum loses?
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Good morning

Can I drop the hammer?
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