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OctilIery 07/31/19 11:19:21 PM #1:	While weed is addictive, it isn't a particularly dangerous addiction, or dangerous drug. Kratom is highly addictive, can cause very significant damage with abuse, and is rarely but potentially fatal, especially in combination with other drugs. It really shouldn't be as easily available as it is :/ <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925459344] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>While weed is addictive, it isn't a particularly dangerous addiction, or dangerous drug. Kratom is highly addictive, can cause very significant damage with abuse, and is rarely but potentially fatal, especially in combination with other drugs. It really shouldn't be as easily available as it is :/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reis 07/31/19 11:19:59 PM #2:	who cares <cite>Reis posted [p:925459366] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>who cares </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 07/31/19 11:21:02 PM #4:	Reis posted... who cares A lot of people. It's a pretty reasonable concern, the same as alcohol abuse is. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925459413] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>Reis posted...</cite> <quote>who cares </quote> A lot of people. It's a pretty reasonable concern, the same as alcohol abuse is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/31/19 11:21:29 PM #5:	dolomedes posted... it bothers me more than kratom is available in shops but pot isn't :( (until january 1!!!!!!) Yeah that's bad too. It should be way more restricted. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925459430] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>dolomedes posted...</cite> <quote>it bothers me more than kratom is available in shops but pot isn't :( (until january 1!!!!!!)</quote> Yeah that's bad too. It should be way more restricted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NOM 07/31/19 11:21:32 PM #6:	Kratom is pretty great, I take it every once in a while. Holy shit is it nasty when you mix it with water tho --- I dream broken dreams I make them come true <cite>NOM posted [p:925459434] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>Kratom is pretty great, I take it every once in a while. Holy shit is it nasty when you mix it with water tho</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reis 07/31/19 11:21:59 PM #7:	OctilIery posted... A lot of people. It's a pretty reasonable concern, the same as alcohol abuse is. maybe those people should git gud <cite>Reis posted [p:925459449] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted... </cite> <quote>A lot of people. It's a pretty reasonable concern, the same as alcohol abuse is.</quote>maybe those people should git gud </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MabusIncarnate 07/31/19 11:24:44 PM #8:	A lot of it is just fear mongering, it's done amazing things for people recovering from heroin addiction and alcoholism. It's becoming more legal, even in states like TN, because it's incredibly mild and is beneficial to those recovering from addiction. It's literally legal in Tennessee, if that doesn't tell you something, idk what else to offer. --- Ten million dollars on a losing campaign, Twenty million starving and writhing in pain. Vicious_Dios Original - https://i.imgtc.ws/Zl0aw6F.png <cite>MabusIncarnate posted [p:925459556] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>A lot of it is just fear mongering, it's done amazing things for people recovering from heroin addiction and alcoholism. It's becoming more legal, even in states like TN, because it's incredibly mild and is beneficial to those recovering from addiction. It's literally legal in Tennessee, if that doesn't tell you something, idk what else to offer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dib153 07/31/19 11:24:57 PM #9:	ive only ever seen kratom in haji shops --- "Dib is my new hero. Epic insult man, epic to the max" ~ Drakona <cite>dib153 posted [p:925459562] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>ive only ever seen kratom in haji shops</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Politics 07/31/19 11:25:03 PM #10:	It's LITERALY physically harmless lmao <cite>Politics posted [p:925459567] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>It's LITERALY physically harmless lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/31/19 11:25:32 PM #11:	NOM posted... Kratom is pretty great, I take it every once in a while. Holy shit is it nasty when you mix it with water tho It isn't particularly dangerous used recreationally and safely, so I don't want it illegal, just more restricted and the dangers made clearer. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925459586] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>NOM posted...</cite> <quote>Kratom is pretty great, I take it every once in a while. Holy shit is it nasty when you mix it with water tho</quote> It isn't particularly dangerous used recreationally and safely, so I don't want it illegal, just more restricted and the dangers made clearer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Led-Zeppelin 07/31/19 11:25:44 PM #12:	OctilIery posted... Yeah that's bad too. It should be way more restricted. imagine actually saying this. i guess the propaganda got to you <cite>Led-Zeppelin posted [p:925459590] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah that's bad too. It should be way more restricted.</quote>imagine actually saying this. i guess the propaganda got to you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/31/19 11:26:57 PM #13:	Politics posted... It's LITERALY physically harmless lmao It's literally not. It's not super dangerous, but abuse causes a lot of damage. MabusIncarnate posted... A lot of it is just fear mongering, it's done amazing things for people recovering from heroin addiction and alcoholism. It's becoming more legal, even in states like TN, because it's incredibly mild and is beneficial to those recovering from addiction. It's literally legal in Tennessee, if that doesn't tell you something, idk what else to offer. I have literally never heard of it being recommended for addiction recovery, that's an awful idea. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925459631] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>Politics posted...</cite> <quote>It's LITERALY physically harmless lmao</quote> It's literally not. It's not super dangerous, but abuse causes a lot of damage. MabusIncarnate posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of it is just fear mongering, it's done amazing things for people recovering from heroin addiction and alcoholism. It's becoming more legal, even in states like TN, because it's incredibly mild and is beneficial to those recovering from addiction. It's literally legal in Tennessee, if that doesn't tell you something, idk what else to offer. </quote> I have literally never heard of it being recommended for addiction recovery, that's an awful idea.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/31/19 11:28:05 PM #14:	Led-Zeppelin posted... OctilIery posted... Yeah that's bad too. It should be way more restricted. imagine actually saying this. i guess the propaganda got to you If by propaganda you mean actual scientific studies and the opinions of educated professionals. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925459668] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>Led-Zeppelin posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah that's bad too. It should be way more restricted.</quote>imagine actually saying this. i guess the propaganda got to you </quote> If by propaganda you mean actual scientific studies and the opinions of educated professionals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MabusIncarnate 07/31/19 11:29:49 PM #16:	OctilIery posted... It's literally not. It's not super dangerous, but abuse causes a lot of damage. I have literally never heard of it being recommended for addiction recovery, that's an awful idea. I mean this in the most respectful way possible, but that shows how incredibly uneducated you are on Kratom. It's pretty much it's primary function, and why a lot of people use it. You also mentioned "recreationally" but you get little to no high whatsoever, even in very large doses. No one really takes it for fun, because it doesn't do very much as a mind or body high at all. At best, it's the equivalent of a mouthful of beer on an empty stomach. --- Ten million dollars on a losing campaign, Twenty million starving and writhing in pain. Vicious_Dios Original - https://i.imgtc.ws/Zl0aw6F.png <cite>MabusIncarnate posted [p:925459734] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted... </cite> <quote>It's literally not. It's not super dangerous, but abuse causes a lot of damage. I have literally never heard of it being recommended for addiction recovery, that's an awful idea.</quote>I mean this in the most respectful way possible, but that shows how incredibly uneducated you are on Kratom. It's pretty much it's primary function, and why a lot of people use it. You also mentioned "recreationally" but you get little to no high whatsoever, even in very large doses. No one really takes it for fun, because it doesn't do very much as a mind or body high at all. At best, it's the equivalent of a mouthful of beer on an empty stomach. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 07/31/19 11:31:26 PM #17:	Pretty sure kratom is also available in convenience stores, too. At least, it was like a year or two ago. --- "Tried to point my finger, but the wind was blowing me around in circles, circles." <cite>EverDownward posted [p:925459783] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>Pretty sure kratom is also available in convenience stores, too. At least, it was like a year or two ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MabusIncarnate 07/31/19 11:33:06 PM #18:	"Experts say -- and conversations online show -- that one of the most talked about methods is using kratom, a little-known herb made from the leaves of a tree that grows on the other side of the world. A recent survey found that nearly 70% of people using kratom were doing so to cut back on or get off of opioids or heroin." That is from WebMD, not some pot smoker's magazine or something. --- Ten million dollars on a losing campaign, Twenty million starving and writhing in pain. Vicious_Dios Original - https://i.imgtc.ws/Zl0aw6F.png <cite>MabusIncarnate posted [p:925459832] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>"Experts say -- and conversations online show -- that one of the most talked about methods is using kratom, a little-known herb made from the leaves of a tree that grows on the other side of the world. A recent survey found that nearly 70% of people using kratom were doing so to cut back on or get off of opioids or heroin." That is from WebMD, not some pot smoker's magazine or something. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/31/19 11:33:48 PM #19:	MabusIncarnate posted... I mean this in the most respectful way possible, but that shows how incredibly uneducated you are on Kratom. It's pretty much it's primary function, and why a lot of people use it. No, it's not. At all. MAT doesn't include Kratom. Hell, we're far more likely to kick you out for Kratom than to ever use it for treatment. M_Live posted... Before I got my gallbladder removed I tried Kratom for pain management. Idk how well it worked or if it was just placebo, but I feel like it helped a bit with flair ups, until the point where nothing helped I've heard such mixed things about Kratom but at least for me personally, nothing bad happened. Yeah like I said occasional recreational use isn't my concern, it's the uneducated people who think it's OK for regular use. It probably did help with pain though, not just a placebo. Hope you're all better now :) <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925459858] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>MabusIncarnate posted...</cite> <quote>I mean this in the most respectful way possible, but that shows how incredibly uneducated you are on Kratom. It's pretty much it's primary function, and why a lot of people use it. </quote> No, it's not. At all. MAT doesn't include Kratom. Hell, we're far more likely to kick you out for Kratom than to ever use it for treatment. M_Live posted...</cite> <quote>Before I got my gallbladder removed I tried Kratom for pain management. Idk how well it worked or if it was just placebo, but I feel like it helped a bit with flair ups, until the point where nothing helped I've heard such mixed things about Kratom but at least for me personally, nothing bad happened. </quote> Yeah like I said occasional recreational use isn't my concern, it's the uneducated people who think it's OK for regular use. It probably did help with pain though, not just a placebo. Hope you're all better now :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/31/19 11:34:32 PM #20:	MabusIncarnate posted... "Experts say -- and conversations online show -- that one of the most talked about methods is using kratom, a little-known herb made from the leaves of a tree that grows on the other side of the world. A recent survey found that nearly 70% of people using kratom were doing so to cut back on or get off of opioids or heroin." That is from WebMD, not some pot smoker's magazine or something. Oh you're talking about random uneducated people not actual medical usage. Got it. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925459884] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>MabusIncarnate posted...</cite> <quote>"Experts say -- and conversations online show -- that one of the most talked about methods is using kratom, a little-known herb made from the leaves of a tree that grows on the other side of the world. A recent survey found that nearly 70% of people using kratom were doing so to cut back on or get off of opioids or heroin." That is from WebMD, not some pot smoker's magazine or something. </quote> Oh you're talking about random uneducated people not actual medical usage. Got it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MabusIncarnate 07/31/19 11:35:45 PM #21:	I'm just gonna step away, it's something you should really read up on before stirring up a topic like this. --- Ten million dollars on a losing campaign, Twenty million starving and writhing in pain. Vicious_Dios Original - https://i.imgtc.ws/Zl0aw6F.png <cite>MabusIncarnate posted [p:925459935] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>I'm just gonna step away, it's something you should really read up on before stirring up a topic like this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 07/31/19 11:36:08 PM #22:	OctilIery posted... MAT ? --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:925459948] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>MAT</quote> ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/31/19 11:37:18 PM #23:	DrizztLink posted... OctilIery posted... MAT ? Medication assisted treatment. Things like suboxone, methadone, vivitrol, etc that are used to help reduce cravings and lower the benefits of use. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925459983] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>MAT</quote> ?</quote> Medication assisted treatment. Things like suboxone, methadone, vivitrol, etc that are used to help reduce cravings and lower the benefits of use.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
glitteringfairy 07/31/19 11:37:51 PM #24:	MabusIncarnate posted... OctilIery posted... It's literally not. It's not super dangerous, but abuse causes a lot of damage. I have literally never heard of it being recommended for addiction recovery, that's an awful idea. I mean this in the most respectful way possible, but that shows how incredibly uneducated you are on Kratom. It's pretty much it's primary function, and why a lot of people use it. You also mentioned "recreationally" but you get little to no high whatsoever, even in very large doses. No one really takes it for fun, because it doesn't do very much as a mind or body high at all. At best, it's the equivalent of a mouthful of beer on an empty stomach. You just must not be around people that use it regularly. My buddy loves the shit. Every time I go somewhere with him he's downing his Kratom packets before we leave lol --- "How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot? V-E-G-Y https://imgur.com/AqR3aeX https://imgur.com/vvuUXpp https://i.imgtc.com/lyRboFN.jpg <cite>glitteringfairy posted [p:925459999] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>MabusIncarnate posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted... </cite> <quote>It's literally not. It's not super dangerous, but abuse causes a lot of damage. I have literally never heard of it being recommended for addiction recovery, that's an awful idea.</quote>I mean this in the most respectful way possible, but that shows how incredibly uneducated you are on Kratom. It's pretty much it's primary function, and why a lot of people use it. You also mentioned "recreationally" but you get little to no high whatsoever, even in very large doses. No one really takes it for fun, because it doesn't do very much as a mind or body high at all. At best, it's the equivalent of a mouthful of beer on an empty stomach. </quote> You just must not be around people that use it regularly. My buddy loves the shit. Every time I go somewhere with him he's downing his Kratom packets before we leave lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 07/31/19 11:38:31 PM #25:	Oh, word. I've done that yet never heard the acronym. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:925460022] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>Oh, word. I've done that yet never heard the acronym. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/31/19 11:39:38 PM #26:	MabusIncarnate posted... I'm just gonna step away, it's something you should really read up on before stirring up a topic like this. I mean, it's literally an opiate. So yes, you can replace one opiate addiction with another one. I fear it being an easy legal path to opiate addiction, similar to pain pills. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:925460062] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>MabusIncarnate posted...</cite> <quote>I'm just gonna step away, it's something you should really read up on before stirring up a topic like this. </quote> I mean, it's literally an opiate. So yes, you can replace one opiate addiction with another one. I fear it being an easy legal path to opiate addiction, similar to pain pills.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/31/19 11:40:07 PM #27:	MabusIncarnate posted... I'm just gonna step away, it's something you should really read up on before stirring up a topic like this. I literally work in addiction therapy. And I'm not saying anything unreasonable. Kratom is a decent enough recreational drug that is potentially significantly harmful if abused being sold with minimal regulation and treated as harmless,and should be treated on a similar level to alcohol. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925460080] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>MabusIncarnate posted...</cite> <quote>I'm just gonna step away, it's something you should really read up on before stirring up a topic like this. </quote> I literally work in addiction therapy. And I'm not saying anything unreasonable. Kratom is a decent enough recreational drug that is potentially significantly harmful if abused being sold with minimal regulation and treated as harmless,and should be treated on a similar level to alcohol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/31/19 11:41:17 PM #28:	DrizztLink posted... Oh, word. I've done that yet never heard the acronym. Oof I'm sorry, especially if it was suboxone or methadone, I hear constant complaints about it from clients lol. It might not be a common term outside my field though. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925460114] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, word. I've done that yet never heard the acronym. </quote> Oof I'm sorry, especially if it was suboxone or methadone, I hear constant complaints about it from clients lol. It might not be a common term outside my field though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 07/31/19 11:41:35 PM #29:	OP: long live da cartels --- UnfairRepresent: "wut? who are you?" Ivynn: "DAYUM Shablagoo made you meltdown so hard you blocked it and him from your memory!" <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:925460128] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>OP: long live da cartels </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/31/19 11:44:27 PM #30:	Shablagoo posted... OP: long live da cartels More along the lines of long live education and awareness <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925460222] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote>OP: long live da cartels </quote> More along the lines of long live education and awareness</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 07/31/19 11:50:36 PM #31:	OctilIery posted... DrizztLink posted... Oh, word. I've done that yet never heard the acronym. Oof I'm sorry, especially if it was suboxone or methadone, I hear constant complaints about it from clients lol. It might not be a common term outside my field though. Nah, alcohol. Naltrexone actually worked wonders for my cravings. I did have Librium during detox. Gave me night terrors, Ativan was better. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:925460410] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, word. I've done that yet never heard the acronym. </quote> Oof I'm sorry, especially if it was suboxone or methadone, I hear constant complaints about it from clients lol. It might not be a common term outside my field though.</quote> Nah, alcohol. Naltrexone actually worked wonders for my cravings. I did have Librium during detox. Gave me night terrors, Ativan was better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/31/19 11:54:07 PM #32:	DrizztLink posted... OctilIery posted... DrizztLink posted... Oh, word. I've done that yet never heard the acronym. Oof I'm sorry, especially if it was suboxone or methadone, I hear constant complaints about it from clients lol. It might not be a common term outside my field though. Nah, alcohol. Naltrexone actually worked wonders for my cravings. I did have Librium during detox. Gave me night terrors, Ativan was better. Ah yeah Naltrexone is good. The others are effective too, just have some nasty effects. I also heard Antabuse horror stories. Hope you're good now, and best wishes in all recovery :) <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925460527] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, word. I've done that yet never heard the acronym. </quote> Oof I'm sorry, especially if it was suboxone or methadone, I hear constant complaints about it from clients lol. It might not be a common term outside my field though.</quote> Nah, alcohol. Naltrexone actually worked wonders for my cravings. I did have Librium during detox. Gave me night terrors, Ativan was better.</quote> Ah yeah Naltrexone is good. The others are effective too, just have some nasty effects. I also heard Antabuse horror stories. Hope you're good now, and best wishes in all recovery :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shablagoo 08/01/19 11:05:53 AM #34:	OctilIery posted... More along the lines of long live education and awareness fair, I agree --- UnfairRepresent: "wut? who are you?" Ivynn: "DAYUM Shablagoo made you meltdown so hard you blocked it and him from your memory!" <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:925474515] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted... </cite> <quote>More along the lines of long live education and awareness</quote> fair, I agree </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 08/01/19 11:07:21 AM #35:	NOM posted... Kratom is pretty great, I take it every once in a while. Holy shit is it nasty when you mix it with water tho Lol, it looks like sludge. Really fuckin gross. Sometimes it makes my heart feel out of sync while it settles in. I've taken up to 10 in a day --- Name checks out https://i.imgtc.ws/vBF8odT.png <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:925474551] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>NOM posted...</cite> <quote>Kratom is pretty great, I take it every once in a while. Holy shit is it nasty when you mix it with water tho</quote> Lol, it looks like sludge. Really fuckin gross. Sometimes it makes my heart feel out of sync while it settles in. I've taken up to 10 in a day</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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E32005 08/01/19 2:11:28 PM #38:	not sure why you would single it out over any other drug i know ive read it helps people get off opiates so im not sure how thats a bad thing; regardless of potential abuse... --- https://i.imgtc.com/IR4XrBA.gif https://i.imgtc.com/7X1rBRv.gif <cite>E32005 posted [p:925482079] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>not sure why you would single it out over any other drug i know ive read it helps people get off opiates so im not sure how thats a bad thing; regardless of potential abuse...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SwordMaster13X 08/01/19 2:13:58 PM #39:	Before this topic, Ive never heard of Kratom before --- Ask me about my community board https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1072-the-underground-garden <cite>SwordMaster13X posted [p:925482177] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>Before this topic, Ive never heard of Kratom before</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 08/01/19 2:14:47 PM #40:	lord of the bad takes --- butts <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:925482212] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>lord of the bad takes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 08/01/19 2:26:28 PM #43:	E32005 posted... not sure why you would single it out over any other drug i know ive read it helps people get off opiates so im not sure how thats a bad thing; regardless of potential abuse... I single out Kratom because there are a lot of people uneducated about it, saying things like "it's helpful for getting off opiates". Lack of regulation and lack of education could easily combine to make what would otherwise be a perfectly fine occasional drug into something actually dangerous. Hairistotle posted... Careful TC, mods take down kratom topics and then ignore you when you ask why. They know by know it's not federally illegal I mean, it wouldn't even be the first non-violation I've had this week, lol <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925482690] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>E32005 posted...</cite> <quote>not sure why you would single it out over any other drug i know ive read it helps people get off opiates so im not sure how thats a bad thing; regardless of potential abuse...</quote> I single out Kratom because there are a lot of people uneducated about it, saying things like "it's helpful for getting off opiates". Lack of regulation and lack of education could easily combine to make what would otherwise be a perfectly fine occasional drug into something actually dangerous. Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>Careful TC, mods take down kratom topics and then ignore you when you ask why. They know by know it's not federally illegal</quote> I mean, it wouldn't even be the first non-violation I've had this week, lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaiganeer 08/03/19 1:20:22 AM #45:	druggies are the worst <cite>Kaiganeer posted [p:925551129] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>druggies are the worst </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 08/03/19 1:27:55 AM #46:	OctilIery posted... I single out Kratom because there are a lot of people uneducated about it, saying things like "it's helpful for getting off opiates". Lack of regulation and lack of education could easily combine to make what would otherwise be a perfectly fine occasional drug into something actually dangerous. So, is it more healthy to stay on opiates? What's your endgame for not liking that example that you gave? --- Name checks out https://i.imgtc.ws/vBF8odT.png <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:925551319] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>I single out Kratom because there are a lot of people uneducated about it, saying things like "it's helpful for getting off opiates". Lack of regulation and lack of education could easily combine to make what would otherwise be a perfectly fine occasional drug into something actually dangerous.</quote> So, is it more healthy to stay on opiates? What's your endgame for not liking that example that you gave?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarqueeSeries 08/03/19 1:33:35 AM #47:	I tried kratom for a bit but then I couldn't poop Opiates are shit (but not literally) --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>MarqueeSeries posted [p:925551460] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>I tried kratom for a bit but then I couldn't poop Opiates are shit (but not literally)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenRoar 08/03/19 1:34:57 AM #48:	OctilIery posted... While weed is addictive, it isn't a [...] dangerous drug. Guess burning down a quarter of one of the Hawaiian islands (Maui) isn't dangerous. <cite>HiddenRoar posted [p:925551492] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>While weed is addictive, it isn't a [...] dangerous drug.</quote> Guess burning down a quarter of one of the Hawaiian islands (Maui) isn't dangerous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 08/03/19 1:37:56 AM #49:	Lost_All_Senses posted... OctilIery posted... I single out Kratom because there are a lot of people uneducated about it, saying things like "it's helpful for getting off opiates". Lack of regulation and lack of education could easily combine to make what would otherwise be a perfectly fine occasional drug into something actually dangerous. So, is it more healthy to stay on opiates? What's your endgame for not liking that example that you gave? Hes just really overbearing about all his opinions --- butts <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:925551558] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>Lost_All_Senses posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>I single out Kratom because there are a lot of people uneducated about it, saying things like "it's helpful for getting off opiates". Lack of regulation and lack of education could easily combine to make what would otherwise be a perfectly fine occasional drug into something actually dangerous.</quote> So, is it more healthy to stay on opiates? What's your endgame for not liking that example that you gave?</quote> Hes just really overbearing about all his opinions</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/03/19 3:07:12 PM #50:	Lost_All_Senses posted... OctilIery posted... I single out Kratom because there are a lot of people uneducated about it, saying things like "it's helpful for getting off opiates". Lack of regulation and lack of education could easily combine to make what would otherwise be a perfectly fine occasional drug into something actually dangerous. So, is it more healthy to stay on opiates? What's your endgame for not liking that example that you gave? There are a shit ton of great options for getting off opiates. Detox, therapy, MAT, etc etc. Replacing it with another dangerous addiction is a bad option, not much better than replacing it with alcohol. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925570046] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>Lost_All_Senses posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>I single out Kratom because there are a lot of people uneducated about it, saying things like "it's helpful for getting off opiates". Lack of regulation and lack of education could easily combine to make what would otherwise be a perfectly fine occasional drug into something actually dangerous.</quote> So, is it more healthy to stay on opiates? What's your endgame for not liking that example that you gave?</quote> There are a shit ton of great options for getting off opiates. Detox, therapy, MAT, etc etc. Replacing it with another dangerous addiction is a bad option, not much better than replacing it with alcohol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/03/19 5:52:46 PM #51:	ultimate reaver posted... Lost_All_Senses posted... OctilIery posted... I single out Kratom because there are a lot of people uneducated about it, saying things like "it's helpful for getting off opiates". Lack of regulation and lack of education could easily combine to make what would otherwise be a perfectly fine occasional drug into something actually dangerous. So, is it more healthy to stay on opiates? What's your endgame for not liking that example that you gave? Hes just really overbearing about all his opinions Going from opiates to Kratom being a bad idea is fact, not opinion. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925576119] in It bothers... [t:77905750]...</cite> <quote>ultimate reaver posted...</cite> <quote>Lost_All_Senses posted...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>I single out Kratom because there are a lot of people uneducated about it, saying things like "it's helpful for getting off opiates". Lack of regulation and lack of education could easily combine to make what would otherwise be a perfectly fine occasional drug into something actually dangerous.</quote> So, is it more healthy to stay on opiates? What's your endgame for not liking that example that you gave?</quote> Hes just really overbearing about all his opinions</quote> Going from opiates to Kratom being a bad idea is fact, not opinion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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