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Trigg3rH4ppy 08/04/19 11:08:51 AM #51:	Nah nothing to see here --- ~A little nonsense, now and then, is relished by the wisest men ~ TWSSted since~ 3/27/12 https://imgur.com/zlaENmx <cite>Trigg3rH4ppy posted [p:925603783] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Nah nothing to see here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/04/19 11:09:24 AM #52:	So have armed security patrolling the public, especially places where lots of people congregate. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:925603806] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>So have armed security patrolling the public, especially places where lots of people congregate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1NfamousACE_2 08/04/19 11:10:04 AM #53:	KamenRiderBlade posted... So have armed security patrolling the public, especially places where lots of people congregate. Won't do shit of they're cowards when the bullets start flying --- ACE is so damn cool, I wish I was more like him. I live everyday wanting to be like him. - @TheBloodyChamp <cite>1NfamousACE_2 posted [p:925603827] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote>So have armed security patrolling the public, especially places where lots of people congregate.</quote> Won't do shit of they're cowards when the bullets start flying</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirkDiggles 08/04/19 11:16:41 AM #54:	Adding new laws to gun control isnt going to solve shit. You people are too focused on the tool instead of the person weilding it. WE. NEED. MENTAL. HEALTH. REFORM. --- https://imgtc.com/i/5CTKeaL.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/G9w39yE.gif <cite>DirkDiggles posted [p:925604060] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Adding new laws to gun control isnt going to solve shit. You people are too focused on the tool instead of the person weilding it. WE. NEED. MENTAL. HEALTH. REFORM.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 08/04/19 11:18:44 AM #55:	DirkDiggles posted... Adding new laws to gun control isnt going to solve shit. You people are too focused on the tool instead of the person weilding it. WE. NEED. MENTAL. HEALTH. REFORM. We need both. --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:925604137] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>DirkDiggles posted...</cite> <quote>Adding new laws to gun control isnt going to solve shit. You people are too focused on the tool instead of the person weilding it. WE. NEED. MENTAL. HEALTH. REFORM.</quote> We need both.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/04/19 11:23:03 AM #56:	1NfamousACE_2 posted... Won't do shit of they're cowards when the bullets start flying That's why you need a lot more of them patrolling simultaneously, and be fully decked out in body armor. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:925604298] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>1NfamousACE_2 posted...</cite> <quote>Won't do shit of they're cowards when the bullets start flying</quote>That's why you need a lot more of them patrolling simultaneously, and be fully decked out in body armor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 08/04/19 11:24:00 AM #57:	DirkDiggles posted... Adding new laws to gun control isnt going to solve shit. You people are too focused on the tool instead of the person weilding it. WE. NEED. MENTAL. HEALTH. REFORM. I agree in that I feel like the high-powered weapons ban will just result in angry people finding new ways to assault the unarmed public en masse that isn't attacking the root cause. That's the main thing that makes me think such a ban is worthless. Unless you really want to say it's no longer "your right" to arm yourself (which, hey, if that's the endgame then so be it but do it through the proper channels of writing to Congress and proposing the 2nd amendment be drastically changed), I don't see any solutions directly coming out of modifying weapon ownership laws. But weapon accountability is at a low point, to be sure. --- "Imagine a world where hypothetical situations didn't exist..." <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:925604338] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>DirkDiggles posted... </cite> <quote>Adding new laws to gun control isnt going to solve shit. You people are too focused on the tool instead of the person weilding it. WE. NEED. MENTAL. HEALTH. REFORM.</quote>I agree in that I feel like the high-powered weapons ban will just result in angry people finding new ways to assault the unarmed public en masse that isn't attacking the root cause. That's the main thing that makes me think such a ban is worthless. Unless you really want to say it's no longer "your right" to arm yourself (which, hey, if that's the endgame then so be it but do it through the proper channels of writing to Congress and proposing the 2nd amendment be drastically changed), I don't see any solutions directly coming out of modifying weapon ownership laws. But weapon accountability is at a low point, to be sure. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
alimajor 08/04/19 11:24:39 AM #58:	I say yes but history tells me (the war on drugs specifically) that this would vastly effect poor people and more specifically poor minorities in a negative. From unwarranted destructive raids on their houses to more violence in their communities because, lets be real, they wont be able to pass any mandated tests to own a weapon that the government conducts. The people who illegally own weapons would just run their neighborhoods and nobody would give a s* because they poor. I still think its worth trying some sort of background check but Id be hella skeptical. <cite>alimajor posted [p:925604375] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>I say yes but history tells me (the war on drugs specifically) that this would vastly effect poor people and more specifically poor minorities in a negative. From unwarranted destructive raids on their houses to more violence in their communities because, lets be real, they wont be able to pass any mandated tests to own a weapon that the government conducts. The people who illegally own weapons would just run their neighborhoods and nobody would give a s* because they poor. I still think its worth trying some sort of background check but Id be hella skeptical.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Sonic 08/04/19 11:25:35 AM #60:	alimajor posted... I still think its worth trying some sort of background check We do have that, though. --- "Imagine a world where hypothetical situations didn't exist..." <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:925604411] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>alimajor posted... </cite> <quote>I still think its worth trying some sort of background check</quote>We do have that, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VTBM 08/04/19 11:27:06 AM #61:	No. --- http://darkvisionsofterror.bandcamp.com/ https://imgur.com/e7sCCSb http://i.imgtc.com/AlmbdTG49T.jpg <cite>VTBM posted [p:925604462] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>No.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Sonic 08/04/19 11:31:22 AM #63:	GregShmedley posted... Well that won't go well, at all. I think he's saying let it go poorly, some people have to learn that there are more important thing than their love of pew-pew. --- "Imagine a world where hypothetical situations didn't exist..." <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:925604615] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>GregShmedley posted... </cite> <quote>Well that won't go well, at all.</quote>I think he's saying let it go poorly, some people have to learn that there are more important thing than their love of pew-pew. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hanky_Bannister 08/04/19 11:32:00 AM #64:	KamenRiderBlade posted... So have armed security patrolling the public, especially places where lots of people congregate. the fucking police? --- "3rd Best Whiskey in Northern Burma" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvjOu4EzjYg <cite>Hanky_Bannister posted [p:925604630] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote>So have armed security patrolling the public, especially places where lots of people congregate.</quote> the fucking police?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 08/04/19 11:32:28 AM #65:	Solid Sonic posted... DirkDiggles posted... Adding new laws to gun control isnt going to solve shit. You people are too focused on the tool instead of the person weilding it. WE. NEED. MENTAL. HEALTH. REFORM. I agree in that I feel like the high-powered weapons ban will just result in angry people finding new ways to assault the unarmed public en masse that isn't attacking the root cause. That's the main thing that makes me think such a ban is worthless. Unless you really want to say it's no longer "your right" to arm yourself (which, hey, if that's the endgame then so be it but do it through the proper channels of writing to Congress and proposing the 2nd amendment be drastically changed), I don't see any solutions directly coming out of modifying weapon ownership laws. But weapon accountability is at a low point, to be sure. Having a gun in a house dramatically increases the chance of suicide. This doesn't mean it will be the same with mass shootings, but it at least gives some weight to the notion. --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:925604645] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Solid Sonic posted...</cite> <quote>DirkDiggles posted... </cite> <quote>Adding new laws to gun control isnt going to solve shit. You people are too focused on the tool instead of the person weilding it. WE. NEED. MENTAL. HEALTH. REFORM.</quote>I agree in that I feel like the high-powered weapons ban will just result in angry people finding new ways to assault the unarmed public en masse that isn't attacking the root cause. That's the main thing that makes me think such a ban is worthless. Unless you really want to say it's no longer "your right" to arm yourself (which, hey, if that's the endgame then so be it but do it through the proper channels of writing to Congress and proposing the 2nd amendment be drastically changed), I don't see any solutions directly coming out of modifying weapon ownership laws. But weapon accountability is at a low point, to be sure. </quote> Having a gun in a house dramatically increases the chance of suicide. This doesn't mean it will be the same with mass shootings, but it at least gives some weight to the notion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/04/19 11:35:27 AM #66:	Hanky_Bannister posted... the fucking police? Armed Private Security on top of having Police patrolling nearby. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:925604745] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Hanky_Bannister posted...</cite> <quote>the fucking police?</quote>Armed Private Security on top of having Police patrolling nearby.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 08/04/19 11:36:38 AM #68:	KamenRiderBlade posted... Hanky_Bannister posted... the fucking police? Armed Private Security on top of having Police patrolling nearby. Lol, yeah sure let's add a private group of people with guns that have no accountability to public. That sure will lower the death count in a shooting. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:925604775] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote>Hanky_Bannister posted...</cite> <quote>the fucking police?</quote>Armed Private Security on top of having Police patrolling nearby.</quote> Lol, yeah sure let's add a private group of people with guns that have no accountability to public. That sure will lower the death count in a shooting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/04/19 11:40:19 AM #69:	Tmaster148 posted... Lol, yeah sure let's add a private group of people with guns that have no accountability to public. That sure will lower the death count in a shooting. Armed Private security has existed since long before the US was even born. Anything of value that needed protecting and you can't trust the government or count on them, hire professionals. This thing is far from unheard of. All rich people have their own private security force. Private security services exist for many facilities and places. Most banks hire Private Security, same with Malls, jewelry shops, any place of "High Value". Nothing I propose is out of the norm other than how many people are needed should be multiplied by several factors and more places needing it. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:925604890] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>Lol, yeah sure let's add a private group of people with guns that have no accountability to public. That sure will lower the death count in a shooting.</quote> Armed Private security has existed since long before the US was even born. Anything of value that needed protecting and you can't trust the government or count on them, hire professionals. This thing is far from unheard of. All rich people have their own private security force. Private security services exist for many facilities and places. Most banks hire Private Security, same with Malls, jewelry shops, any place of "High Value". Nothing I propose is out of the norm other than how many people are needed should be multiplied by several factors and more places needing it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BaiusGaltar 08/04/19 11:47:09 AM #70:	KamenRiderBlade posted... Tmaster148 posted... Lol, yeah sure let's add a private group of people with guns that have no accountability to public. That sure will lower the death count in a shooting. Armed Private security has existed since long before the US was even born. Anything of value that needed protecting and you can't trust the government or count on them, hire professionals. This thing is far from unheard of. All rich people have their own private security force. Private security services exist for many facilities and places. Most banks hire Private Security, same with Malls, jewelry shops, any place of "High Value". Nothing I propose is out of the norm other than how many people are needed should be multiplied by several factors and more places needing it. So, your solution is basically to make the state fair look like the West Bank. --- Previously, on Gattelstar Balactica... <cite>BaiusGaltar posted [p:925605130] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>Lol, yeah sure let's add a private group of people with guns that have no accountability to public. That sure will lower the death count in a shooting.</quote> Armed Private security has existed since long before the US was even born. Anything of value that needed protecting and you can't trust the government or count on them, hire professionals. This thing is far from unheard of. All rich people have their own private security force. Private security services exist for many facilities and places. Most banks hire Private Security, same with Malls, jewelry shops, any place of "High Value". Nothing I propose is out of the norm other than how many people are needed should be multiplied by several factors and more places needing it.</quote> So, your solution is basically to make the state fair look like the West Bank.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 08/04/19 12:21:30 PM #71:	Hairistotle posted... Get rid of the guns. Start a ten year plan. Crack down hard. Fuck the second amendment. Won't ever happen, and thank god it won't. Do you have any idea how much bloodshed there would be if this was the plan? People are not going to give up their firearms just because there are crazy people out there. Because they know that's not a valid reason. It's not a valid reason to punish them for the actions of someone else. --- MAGA <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:925606342] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>Get rid of the guns. Start a ten year plan. Crack down hard. Fuck the second amendment.</quote> Won't ever happen, and thank god it won't. Do you have any idea how much bloodshed there would be if this was the plan? People are not going to give up their firearms just because there are crazy people out there. Because they know that's not a valid reason. It's not a valid reason to punish them for the actions of someone else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 08/04/19 12:28:18 PM #72:	"Just call me the Grim Reaper." - Mitch McConnell --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:925606607] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>"Just call me the Grim Reaper." - Mitch McConnell</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 08/04/19 12:43:32 PM #73:	Funbazooka posted... Won't ever happen, and thank god it won't. Do you have any idea how much bloodshed there would be if this was the plan? People are not going to give up their firearms just because there are crazy people out there. Because they know that's not a valid reason. It's not a valid reason to punish them for the actions of someone else. But as I said, I think those who misuse the privilege of firearm ownership to execute a hate-filled plan have ruined it for those who don't harbor any such goals and just want a collection of exotic firearms. --- "Imagine a world where hypothetical situations didn't exist..." <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:925607151] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Funbazooka posted... </cite> <quote>Won't ever happen, and thank god it won't. Do you have any idea how much bloodshed there would be if this was the plan? People are not going to give up their firearms just because there are crazy people out there. Because they know that's not a valid reason. It's not a valid reason to punish them for the actions of someone else.</quote>But as I said, I think those who misuse the privilege of firearm ownership to execute a hate-filled plan have ruined it for those who don't harbor any such goals and just want a collection of exotic firearms. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 08/04/19 12:54:33 PM #74:	Solid Sonic posted... Funbazooka posted... Won't ever happen, and thank god it won't. Do you have any idea how much bloodshed there would be if this was the plan? People are not going to give up their firearms just because there are crazy people out there. Because they know that's not a valid reason. It's not a valid reason to punish them for the actions of someone else. But as I said, I think those who misuse the privilege of firearm ownership to execute a hate-filled plan have ruined it for those who don't harbor any such goals and just want a collection of exotic firearms. Gun ownership is a right not a privilege. And I don't see how it's ruined it for them. They're not going to suddenly throw down their firearms because someone out there decided to murder people. That makes no sense. --- MAGA <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:925607521] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Solid Sonic posted...</cite> <quote>Funbazooka posted... </cite> <quote>Won't ever happen, and thank god it won't. Do you have any idea how much bloodshed there would be if this was the plan? People are not going to give up their firearms just because there are crazy people out there. Because they know that's not a valid reason. It's not a valid reason to punish them for the actions of someone else.</quote>But as I said, I think those who misuse the privilege of firearm ownership to execute a hate-filled plan have ruined it for those who don't harbor any such goals and just want a collection of exotic firearms. </quote> Gun ownership is a right not a privilege. And I don't see how it's ruined it for them. They're not going to suddenly throw down their firearms because someone out there decided to murder people. That makes no sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 08/04/19 1:02:13 PM #75:	Funbazooka posted... Gun ownership is a right not a privilege. And I don't see how it's ruined it for them. They're not going to suddenly throw down their firearms because someone out there decided to murder people. That makes no sense. No they're not but as long as those people with no ill will can obtain them, so too can people who do. And if you want to say "well psychological patterns that show you shouldn't own a gun need to be taken into account", doesn't that defy the idea that we as American citizens are entitled to firearms by right? That right doesn't exclude people who have demonstrated the capacity to misuse. I genuinely think a lot of these people who use their own weapons in a public place against unarmed civilians don't have a psych history that you can point to as showing they were going to explode. They could buy a firearm without any issue prior to their meltdown. I want a country where you can own a reasonable firearm of any sort but there's a serious gulf in between what I want and what reality has demonstrated. --- "Imagine a world where hypothetical situations didn't exist..." <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:925607795] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Funbazooka posted... </cite> <quote>Gun ownership is a right not a privilege. And I don't see how it's ruined it for them. They're not going to suddenly throw down their firearms because someone out there decided to murder people. That makes no sense.</quote>No they're not but as long as those people with no ill will can obtain them, so too can people who do. And if you want to say "well psychological patterns that show you shouldn't own a gun need to be taken into account", doesn't that defy the idea that we as American citizens are entitled to firearms by right? That right doesn't exclude people who have demonstrated the capacity to misuse. I genuinely think a lot of these people who use their own weapons in a public place against unarmed civilians don't have a psych history that you can point to as showing they were going to explode. They could buy a firearm without any issue prior to their meltdown. I want a country where you can own a reasonable firearm of any sort but there's a serious gulf in between what I want and what reality has demonstrated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/04/19 2:09:38 PM #76:	BaiusGaltar posted... So, your solution is basically to make the state fair look like the West Bank. Sure, I'm fine with it. Go on living your life, at least you know when the worst case scenario hits, there are people there ready to take action. The people who run your "State Fair", or whatever event or location, have you covered. They care enough to hire real security, unlike some cheap ass place who won't put up money for your safety. In reality, you need minimum standard regulations for this kind of thing to gurantee even coverage. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:925610324] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>BaiusGaltar posted...</cite> <quote>So, your solution is basically to make the state fair look like the West Bank.</quote>Sure, I'm fine with it. Go on living your life, at least you know when the worst case scenario hits, there are people there ready to take action. The people who run your "State Fair", or whatever event or location, have you covered. They care enough to hire real security, unlike some cheap ass place who won't put up money for your safety. In reality, you need minimum standard regulations for this kind of thing to gurantee even coverage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/04/19 2:11:19 PM #77:	"People will kill those responsible for enforcing a law" seems like a poor argument against the law, imo. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:925610402] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>"People will kill those responsible for enforcing a law" seems like a poor argument against the law, imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 08/04/19 2:11:30 PM #78:	No, there's already too many gun control laws. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:925610407] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>No, there's already too many gun control laws.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/04/19 2:21:13 PM #79:	Solid Sonic posted... I genuinely think a lot of these people who use their own weapons in a public place against unarmed civilians don't have a psych history that you can point to as showing they were going to explode. They could buy a firearm without any issue prior to their meltdown. I want a country where you can own a reasonable firearm of any sort but there's a serious gulf in between what I want and what reality has demonstrated. The Margery Douglas Stoneman HS shooter was literally EXPELLED from his HS for violence, he was on file at the HS with MULTIPLE notices of violent behavior. There was 2x tips to the FBI over violent posting on Social Media that went closed soon after. Police went to his family's house ~50x times for violent behavior through out his up bringing. The HS literally refused to file paper work that would properly mark his expulsion to the Federal government because they cared more about $$$ from the government for a body to fill the register then doing the right thing and losing Federal $$$ for students. If the HS filled out the appropriate paper work, that expelled shooter wouldn't have been able to get a gun. Period. The police on the scene literally went against standardized National Police practice of "Going In the moment shots are fired", that have been well established since Columbine. The then incompetent Ranking Officer went ahead and prevented the EMT's from going to treat the wounded. Those precious early few minutes to treating bloody wound trauma would've been fine if the the Ranking Officer on the scene wasn't holding back the EMT's and other cops from doing their job. Incompetent training and decision making costs lives. Greedy Bureaucracy prevent information from getting out to where it needed to be to prevent that scenario from happening in the first place. I'm sure if you evaluate the public history and actions of other shooters, you'll notice similar patterns. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:925610797] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Solid Sonic posted...</cite> <quote>I genuinely think a lot of these people who use their own weapons in a public place against unarmed civilians don't have a psych history that you can point to as showing they were going to explode. They could buy a firearm without any issue prior to their meltdown. I want a country where you can own a reasonable firearm of any sort but there's a serious gulf in between what I want and what reality has demonstrated.</quote>The Margery Douglas Stoneman HS shooter was literally EXPELLED from his HS for violence, he was on file at the HS with MULTIPLE notices of violent behavior. There was 2x tips to the FBI over violent posting on Social Media that went closed soon after. Police went to his family's house ~50x times for violent behavior through out his up bringing. The HS literally refused to file paper work that would properly mark his expulsion to the Federal government because they cared more about $$$ from the government for a body to fill the register then doing the right thing and losing Federal $$$ for students. If the HS filled out the appropriate paper work, that expelled shooter wouldn't have been able to get a gun. Period. The police on the scene literally went against standardized National Police practice of "Going In the moment shots are fired", that have been well established since Columbine. The then incompetent Ranking Officer went ahead and prevented the EMT's from going to treat the wounded. Those precious early few minutes to treating bloody wound trauma would've been fine if the the Ranking Officer on the scene wasn't holding back the EMT's and other cops from doing their job. Incompetent training and decision making costs lives. Greedy Bureaucracy prevent information from getting out to where it needed to be to prevent that scenario from happening in the first place. I'm sure if you evaluate the public history and actions of other shooters, you'll notice similar patterns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/04/19 2:23:11 PM #80:	DifferentialEquation posted... No, there's already too many gun control laws. We're 33,000+ laws in combined State & Federal past "Shall not Infringe". We need a giant clean up of these mess of laws. Same with the EPA, FCC, FTC, Anti-Trust, Election Rules, results, and methodology, Representation structure in the Federal / State / Local level. Corruption at every level. We have a whole host of issues that need to be redone. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:925610871] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>No, there's already too many gun control laws.</quote>We're 33,000+ laws in combined State & Federal past "Shall not Infringe". We need a giant clean up of these mess of laws. Same with the EPA, FCC, FTC, Anti-Trust, Election Rules, results, and methodology, Representation structure in the Federal / State / Local level. Corruption at every level. We have a whole host of issues that need to be redone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/04/19 2:24:13 PM #81:	What would you like redone about the EPA? --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:925610922] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>What would you like redone about the EPA?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 08/04/19 2:24:59 PM #82:	Antifar posted... "People will kill those responsible for enforcing a law" seems like a poor argument against the law, imo. It's a pretty good argument actually... in this particular case. People getting killed is the primary reason why there's a panic with these widely publicized shootings. "Cracking down hard" on gun ownership would lead to vastly more bloodshed and even civil unrest. That's not a solution. That's just causing way more of the thing you wanted to stop. --- MAGA <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:925610958] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>"People will kill those responsible for enforcing a law" seems like a poor argument against the law, imo.</quote> It's a pretty good argument actually... in this particular case. People getting killed is the primary reason why there's a panic with these widely publicized shootings. "Cracking down hard" on gun ownership would lead to vastly more bloodshed and even civil unrest. That's not a solution. That's just causing way more of the thing you wanted to stop.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 08/04/19 2:27:23 PM #83:	Isn't threatening violence to get one's political goals terrorism? --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:925611067] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Isn't threatening violence to get one's political goals terrorism?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BaiusGaltar 08/04/19 2:27:46 PM #84:	Antifar posted... "People will kill those responsible for enforcing a law" seems like a poor argument against the law, imo. Not making a law because of the level of confrontation and violence it would cause, seems like a strong argument, imo. --- Previously, on Gattelstar Balactica... <cite>BaiusGaltar posted [p:925611081] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>"People will kill those responsible for enforcing a law" seems like a poor argument against the law, imo.</quote> Not making a law because of the level of confrontation and violence it would cause, seems like a strong argument, imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/04/19 2:30:51 PM #85:	Antifar posted... What would you like redone about the EPA? Prevent Corporate Trojan horses from ever getting into the EPA. The only people who can be in the EPA are scientists who have no corporate connections. Separation of "Church and State" is basically separation of "Conflict of Interests" of the people. Ergo, separation of people who side with "Corporations / Entities / Lobbying groups for business efficiency" over those who want to make the "Environment Better". Those who are in the EPA, CANNOT have any business / friendship ties to big business of any sort and must be there purely on Environmental reasoning. If they defect or betray their oath to protecting the Environment in any way, big jail time for them. I'm talking about "Life in Prison" for betrayal to the Government and the Environment. Once you're in, you're in. No defecting away for personal gain of any sort. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:925611197] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>What would you like redone about the EPA?</quote>Prevent Corporate Trojan horses from ever getting into the EPA. The only people who can be in the EPA are scientists who have no corporate connections. Separation of "Church and State" is basically separation of "Conflict of Interests" of the people. Ergo, separation of people who side with "Corporations / Entities / Lobbying groups for business efficiency" over those who want to make the "Environment Better". Those who are in the EPA, CANNOT have any business / friendship ties to big business of any sort and must be there purely on Environmental reasoning. If they defect or betray their oath to protecting the Environment in any way, big jail time for them. I'm talking about "Life in Prison" for betrayal to the Government and the Environment. Once you're in, you're in. No defecting away for personal gain of any sort.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/04/19 2:32:57 PM #86:	Intro2Logic posted... Isn't threatening violence to get one's political goals terrorism? And what was the political goal of this Deranged Psycho? Was it coherent, did it make any sense, or random BS meant to troll people? --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:925611275] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>Isn't threatening violence to get one's political goals terrorism?</quote>And what was the political goal of this Deranged Psycho? Was it coherent, did it make any sense, or random BS meant to troll people?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 08/04/19 2:53:22 PM #87:	KamenRiderBlade posted... Intro2Logic posted... Isn't threatening violence to get one's political goals terrorism? And what was the political goal of this Deranged Psycho? Was it coherent, did it make any sense, or random BS meant to troll people? He said he's defending his country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion of immigrants who will all vote Democrat and make it near impossible for Republicans to win the presidency. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:925612151] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>Isn't threatening violence to get one's political goals terrorism?</quote>And what was the political goal of this Deranged Psycho? Was it coherent, did it make any sense, or random BS meant to troll people?</quote> He said he's defending his country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion of immigrants who will all vote Democrat and make it near impossible for Republicans to win the presidency.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BaiusGaltar 08/04/19 3:00:46 PM #88:	ledbowman posted... KamenRiderBlade posted... Intro2Logic posted... Isn't threatening violence to get one's political goals terrorism? And what was the political goal of this Deranged Psycho? Was it coherent, did it make any sense, or random BS meant to troll people? He said he's defending his country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion of immigrants who will all vote Democrat and make it near impossible for Republicans to win the presidency. prepares for goalposts to be moved --- Previously, on Gattelstar Balactica... <cite>BaiusGaltar posted [p:925612513] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>Isn't threatening violence to get one's political goals terrorism?</quote>And what was the political goal of this Deranged Psycho? Was it coherent, did it make any sense, or random BS meant to troll people?</quote> He said he's defending his country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion of immigrants who will all vote Democrat and make it near impossible for Republicans to win the presidency.</quote> prepares for goalposts to be moved</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/04/19 3:01:15 PM #89:	ledbowman posted... He said he's defending his country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion of immigrants who will all vote Democrat and make it near impossible for Republicans to win the presidency. That can't be the only thing he wrote down. Usually these Manifestos are pretty long winded and full of BS. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:925612540] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote>He said he's defending his country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion of immigrants who will all vote Democrat and make it near impossible for Republicans to win the presidency.</quote>That can't be the only thing he wrote down. Usually these Manifestos are pretty long winded and full of BS.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
closetjpopfan 08/04/19 3:02:57 PM #90:	MUCH stricter. Whatever problems gun ownership "solves" are not worth the problems it creates. The second amendment is outdated and needs revision. <cite>closetjpopfan posted [p:925612612] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>MUCH stricter. Whatever problems gun ownership "solves" are not worth the problems it creates. The second amendment is outdated and needs revision.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BaiusGaltar 08/04/19 3:05:33 PM #91:	KamenRiderBlade posted... ledbowman posted... He said he's defending his country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion of immigrants who will all vote Democrat and make it near impossible for Republicans to win the presidency. That can't be the only thing he wrote down. Usually these Manifestos are pretty long winded and full of BS. And there it is. Now it doesn't matter that he has fighting immigrants, it has to be the only thing he said. --- Previously, on Gattelstar Balactica... <cite>BaiusGaltar posted [p:925612716] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote>He said he's defending his country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion of immigrants who will all vote Democrat and make it near impossible for Republicans to win the presidency.</quote>That can't be the only thing he wrote down. Usually these Manifestos are pretty long winded and full of BS.</quote> And there it is. Now it doesn't matter that he has fighting immigrants, it has to be the only thing he said.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 08/04/19 3:54:29 PM #92:	BaiusGaltar posted... fenderbender321 posted... Garioshi posted... coh posted... Gun control laws arent going to stop mass shootings. Its a knee jerk reaction based on emotion. Australia would beg to differ. So wait a minute are we talking gun control or complete gun ban? Australia doesn't have a complete gun ban. The type of gun ban in Australia would be seen as unreasonable in america despite its proven results. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:925614752] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote><cite>BaiusGaltar posted...</cite> <quote>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote> Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote> coh posted... </cite> <quote> Gun control laws arent going to stop mass shootings. Its a knee jerk reaction based on emotion. </quote>Australia would beg to differ. </quote> So wait a minute are we talking gun control or complete gun ban?</quote> Australia doesn't have a complete gun ban.</quote> The type of gun ban in Australia would be seen as unreasonable in america despite its proven results.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
J03can 08/04/19 7:10:09 PM #93:	Dark_Spiret posted... J03can posted... Tell that to a group of 20 people murdered for going shopping. and whats the likelihood of showing up a victim of a mass shooting? is it more than the 1+ million home invasions that take place in the US each year? Nice facts. How many of those 1+ million are killed AND since guns are encoraged and a right currently, how many of those 1+ million home intruders are gunned down in a totally awesome way in which the home owner totally fistpumps and recites the pledge of allegiance after protecting themself using their GOD GIVEN RIGHT --- Jerry, it's Frank Costanza!!! Mr Steinbrenner's here George is dead - call me back!!!! <cite>J03can posted [p:925623153] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Spiret posted...</cite> <quote>J03can posted...</cite> <quote>Tell that to a group of 20 people murdered for going shopping. </quote>and whats the likelihood of showing up a victim of a mass shooting? is it more than the 1+ million home invasions that take place in the US each year?</quote> Nice facts. How many of those 1+ million are killed AND since guns are encoraged and a right currently, how many of those 1+ million home intruders are gunned down in a totally awesome way in which the home owner totally fistpumps and recites the pledge of allegiance after protecting themself using their GOD GIVEN RIGHT</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muflaggin 08/04/19 9:28:47 PM #94:	BaiusGaltar posted... @Muflaggin posted... Literally wouldn't make a difference. If you want a gun you'll get a gun. Then why ban or control anything? To make morons feel better. --- LightSnake: "Sigh....I might've been wrong about a lot this time." Terra-enforcer: "You were right. I was wrong. I'm a filthy welcher." <cite>Muflaggin posted [p:925628509] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>BaiusGaltar posted...</cite> <quote>@Muflaggin posted...</cite> <quote>Literally wouldn't make a difference. If you want a gun you'll get a gun.</quote> Then why ban or control anything?</quote> To make morons feel better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BaiusGaltar 08/04/19 9:32:05 PM #95:	Muflaggin posted... BaiusGaltar posted... @Muflaggin posted... Literally wouldn't make a difference. If you want a gun you'll get a gun. Then why ban or control anything? To make morons feel better. The general populace must be like apes to you. What's it like to be so superior? --- Previously, on Gattelstar Balactica... <cite>BaiusGaltar posted [p:925628646] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Muflaggin posted...</cite> <quote>BaiusGaltar posted...</cite> <quote>@Muflaggin posted...</cite> <quote>Literally wouldn't make a difference. If you want a gun you'll get a gun.</quote> Then why ban or control anything?</quote> To make morons feel better.</quote> The general populace must be like apes to you. What's it like to be so superior?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malcrasternus 08/04/19 9:52:08 PM #96:	Rika_Furude posted... BaiusGaltar posted... fenderbender321 posted... Garioshi posted... coh posted... Gun control laws arent going to stop mass shootings. Its a knee jerk reaction based on emotion. Australia would beg to differ. So wait a minute are we talking gun control or complete gun ban? Australia doesn't have a complete gun ban. The type of gun ban in Australia would be seen as unreasonable in america despite its proven results. Gun violence was already in decline there, and showed no decrease or increase in that trend after it was enacted. Similar thing happened with the 1994 AWB here in the US, where it sunsetted in 2004, and wasn't renewed because it wasn't shown to do anything. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/YVO8I9i.jpg 4/15/1951 - 3/18/2014 "But not forgotten." <cite>Malcrasternus posted [p:925629573] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BaiusGaltar posted...</cite> <quote>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote> Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote> coh posted... </cite> <quote> Gun control laws arent going to stop mass shootings. Its a knee jerk reaction based on emotion. </quote>Australia would beg to differ. </quote> So wait a minute are we talking gun control or complete gun ban?</quote> Australia doesn't have a complete gun ban.</quote> The type of gun ban in Australia would be seen as unreasonable in america despite its proven results.</quote> Gun violence was already in decline there, and showed no decrease or increase in that trend after it was enacted. Similar thing happened with the 1994 AWB here in the US, where it sunsetted in 2004, and wasn't renewed because it wasn't shown to do anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
closetjpopfan 08/06/19 5:41:52 AM #97:	Funbazooka posted... Hairistotle posted... Get rid of the guns. Start a ten year plan. Crack down hard. Fuck the second amendment. Won't ever happen, and thank god it won't. Do you have any idea how much bloodshed there would be if this was the plan? People are not going to give up their firearms just because there are crazy people out there. Because they know that's not a valid reason. It's not a valid reason to punish them for the actions of someone else. It's not about "punishing" anybody, it's called civilized society. This brings up a very good point actually. One of the best reasons for gun control would be to change the mentality of people. That's where the problem actually is, that's the REAL cause of all the mass shootings. <cite>closetjpopfan posted [p:925689915] in Does the U... [t:77913555]...</cite> <quote>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>Get rid of the guns. Start a ten year plan. Crack down hard. Fuck the second amendment.</quote> Won't ever happen, and thank god it won't. Do you have any idea how much bloodshed there would be if this was the plan? People are not going to give up their firearms just because there are crazy people out there. Because they know that's not a valid reason. It's not a valid reason to punish them for the actions of someone else.</quote> It's not about "punishing" anybody, it's called civilized society. This brings up a very good point actually. One of the best reasons for gun control would be to change the mentality of people. That's where the problem actually is, that's the REAL cause of all the mass shootings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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