Current Events > What group should be labeled as terrorists? Antifa or white supremacists?

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AlephZero posted...

Somebody caption Brazzers on this

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Both obviously. Antifa may believe that they're doing the public a service by fighting these proudboy/nationalists, but they make it worse taking that bait every time and getting into physical altercations.

Also post 3 made me think of Terry Crews in White Chicks.
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KStateKing17 posted...

Both obviously. Antifa may believe that they're doing the public a service by fighting these proudboy/nationalists, but they make it worse taking that bait every time and getting into physical altercations.

Has Antifa killed groups of people yet? If so, please share some sources. I feel like if they do something no one talks about it.

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There is an issue that both are ideologies rather than actual groups. Antifa has a benefit that they have specific identifiers you can ban from gatherings at least.

White supremacists are responsible for actual mass murders, so them.
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AlephZero posted...

These are the ones who are gonna crush capitalism

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AlephZero posted...

I wonder what scares racists more from this picture: shirtless black guy with tats and a ciggy, or people in wheelchairs.
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Just white supremacists. Antifa at worst are occasionally inconvenient.
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Both are trash. Lowest form of filth actually.

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Antifa are violent at times, but the white nationalists are actual terrorists.
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Both, neither group doesn't even tow party lines which is the bare minimum of sane politics.
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SquantoZ posted...

KStateKing17 posted...

Both obviously. Antifa may believe that they're doing the public a service by fighting these proudboy/nationalists, but they make it worse taking that bait every time and getting into physical altercations.

Has Antifa killed groups of people yet? If so, please share some sources. I feel like if they do something no one talks about it.

None that I know of. The racist groups get announce ahead of time when and where they're going to assemble. Antifa responds despite the fact that those groups are obviously baiting them in so they can say "hey look at these people causing trouble". They get police escorts when this happens knowing that someone is going to react to their bullshit.
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SquantoZ posted...

KStateKing17 posted...

Both obviously. Antifa may believe that they're doing the public a service by fighting these proudboy/nationalists, but they make it worse taking that bait every time and getting into physical altercations.

Has Antifa killed groups of people yet? If so, please share some sources. I feel like if they do something no one talks about it.

Antifa-identifying individuals have jumped entirely innocent people based on their physical appearance, yes.

But that's kind of the problem with the whole thing, there are "rational" Antifa people and irrational ones. Just like the whole Juggalo thing - there are people who just like to put on makeup and drink Faygo and have mad orgies at music festivals and then there are Juggalo crime rings :\
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White supremacists are worse, but that doesn't absolve Antifa of its own shenanigans.
That said, "Antifa" is a more specific organization than "White Supremacist"
Though most White Supremacists are basically terrorists, or at least political extremists.

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FaytlessHearts posted...

Both are trash. Lowest form of filth actually.

What exactly have people identifying as anti-fascists done to even touch the transgressions of white supremacists and Nazis? Property damage? Attacking white supremacists?

They can be a nuisance and violent, but how exactly are they terrorists or the lowest form of filth?

Is any ideology that has had people that have caused violence automatically terroristic and inherently awful? Does that mean almost everyone is at least terrorist adjacent?
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hockeybub89 posted...

What exactly have people identifying as anti-fascists done to even touch the transgressions of white supremacists and Nazis? Property damage? Attacking white supremacists?

They can be a nuisance and violent, but how exactly are they terrorists or the lowest form of filth?

Is any ideology that has had people that have caused violence automatically terroristic and inherently awful? Does that mean almost everyone is at least terrorist adjacent?

Any organization that believes in mob justice is inherently risking violence and injustice on the innocent.

A group of people should not be judge, jury and executioner.


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DarkRoast posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

What exactly have people identifying as anti-fascists done to even touch the transgressions of white supremacists and Nazis? Property damage? Attacking white supremacists?

They can be a nuisance and violent, but how exactly are they terrorists or the lowest form of filth?

Is any ideology that has had people that have caused violence automatically terroristic and inherently awful? Does that mean almost everyone is at least terrorist adjacent?

Any organization that believes in mob justice is inherently risking violence and injustice on the innocent.

A group of people should not be judge, jury and executioner.

Funny, that's what a lot of Antifa folk would say about the government, just worded differently.
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DarkRoast posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

What exactly have people identifying as anti-fascists done to even touch the transgressions of white supremacists and Nazis? Property damage? Attacking white supremacists?

They can be a nuisance and violent, but how exactly are they terrorists or the lowest form of filth?

Is any ideology that has had people that have caused violence automatically terroristic and inherently awful? Does that mean almost everyone is at least terrorist adjacent?

Any organization that believes in mob justice is inherently risking violence and injustice on the innocent.

A group of people should not be judge, jury and executioner.

That doesn't really answer like anything I asked him, but you aren't wrong.
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I dunno, I feel like the US government should be labeling fewer people terrorists, not more. They drone strike terrorists.
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Spooking posted...

Antifa were a black bloc group before choosing the Antifa name. It's also funny that people assume they are legit because of their name. Some people are so gullible. Hilarious.

Black bloc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc

Notice how he linked to the WIkipedia article for Black bloc, not to Antifa, and no mention of Antifa specifically is made in the article. In the article for Antifa*, Black bloc protestors are mentioned separately from Antifa. Also the article for Antifa begins with "Not to be confused with Black bloc".

This is how authoritarian propaganda works: half-sourcing and obfuscation of information from said source in order to create the illusion of cogency in order to support their argument.

*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
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I should note that I will never stop loving the picture posted in #2.
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Antifa

The actual mass murderers who want to kill minorities. Is this actually a question lol.
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Both.
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KStateKing17 posted...

None that I know of. The racist groups get announce ahead of time when and where they're going to assemble. Antifa responds despite the fact that those groups are obviously baiting them in so they can say "hey look at these people causing trouble". They get police escorts when this happens knowing that someone is going to react to their bullshit.

Got it. So Antifa hasn't performed any actual terror acts but should be labeled the same as white supremacists? Lol this is all lives matter bullshit all over again

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White supremacists obv

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KStateKing17 posted...

they make it worse taking that bait

The new definition of terrorism - taking the bait.
That dead mouse over there? A fucking TERRORIST!
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SquantoZ posted...

Somebody caption Brazzers on this

@SquantoZ

-Cipher- posted...

@SquantoZ

Lol

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"White supremacy" is an ideology, not a group. You can't label an ideology a terrorist organization.

Now, groups aimed around white supremacy, like the KKK, can be labeled as terrorist groups.

Antifa is an actual group also, so they deserve to be labeled based on the fact that their M.O. is based around violent conflict with other groups and destruction of property.

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The Admiral posted...

"White supremacy" is an ideology, not a group. You can't label an ideology a terrorist organization.

Now, groups aimed around white supremacy, like the KKK, can be labeled as terrorist groups.

Antifa is an actual group also, so they deserve to be labeled based on the fact that their M.O. is based around violent conflict with other groups and destruction of property.

Have they performed actual acts of terror? Have they killed large groups of people? Or are they just a glorified gang beating people up?

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Good luck finding any rosters of antifa members

Meanwhile you have literal white supremacist groups like atomwaffen who don't get monitored at all despite a kill count
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Is there a group that actually calls themselves The White Supremacists? Seems a little on the nose, dont you think?
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YourDrunkFather posted...

Is there a group that actually calls themselves The White Supremacists? Seems a little on the nose, dont you think?

@YourDrunkFather , good point. I guess I should have specified. However, there are multiple white supremacist groups as Admiral stated such as the KKK and the below

gunplagirl posted...

Good luck finding any rosters of antifa members

Meanwhile you have literal white supremacist groups like atomwaffen who don't get monitored at all despite a kill count

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UnfairRepresent posted...

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SquantoZ posted...

The Admiral posted...

"White supremacy" is an ideology, not a group. You can't label an ideology a terrorist organization.

Now, groups aimed around white supremacy, like the KKK, can be labeled as terrorist groups.

Antifa is an actual group also, so they deserve to be labeled based on the fact that their M.O. is based around violent conflict with other groups and destruction of property.

Have they performed actual acts of terror? Have they killed large groups of people? Or are they just a glorified gang beating people up?

Of course, the answer to all of those is 'no', but maybe that's just what they want you to think.
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

AlephZero posted...

I wonder what scares racists more from this picture: shirtless black guy with tats and a ciggy, or people in wheelchairs.

There are also women in the picture, so add them to the list.

Hexenherz posted...

SquantoZ posted...

KStateKing17 posted...

Both obviously. Antifa may believe that they're doing the public a service by fighting these proudboy/nationalists, but they make it worse taking that bait every time and getting into physical altercations.

Has Antifa killed groups of people yet? If so, please share some sources. I feel like if they do something no one talks about it.

Antifa-identifying individuals have jumped entirely innocent people based on their physical appearance, yes.

But that's kind of the problem with the whole thing, there are "rational" Antifa people and irrational ones. Just like the whole Juggalo thing - there are people who just like to put on makeup and drink Faygo and have mad orgies at music festivals and then there are Juggalo crime rings :\

He said killed groups of people, not jumped people.
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Unruly protestors vs people murdering innocent minorities.

Milkshakes vs assault rifles.

A group of people with no linked deaths, vs a group that used to hang black people from trees just because they could.

Back in my day, you had to kill a bunch of people to be considered a terrorist. Which is exactly what white supremacists/neo Nazis/alt right have done.
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Umbreon posted...

Unruly protestors vs people murdering innocent minorities.

Milkshakes vs assault rifles.

A group of people with no linked deaths, vs a group that used to hang black people from trees just because they could.

Back in my day, you had to kill a bunch of people to be considered a terrorist. Which is exactly what white supremacists/neo Nazis/alt right have done.

Was waiting for someone to finally summarize it like this...This is the point of this topic and why I created it. No one is providing any sort of logical or reasonable response as to why Antifa should be recognized as a terrorist group. They are literally a glorified gang that goes around protesting and on occasion beating up people with views similar to legitimate hate groups or hate groups themselves.

Of course, this could escalate over time and they could potentially become a legitimate threat but this is literally child's play compared to what white supremacist groups are breeding. These groups literally are killing people, have discussed overthrowing the government, and are the very definition of terrorism.

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The Admiral posted...

You can't label an ideology a terrorist organization.

Not with that attitude!
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SquantoZ posted...

Umbreon posted...

Unruly protestors vs people murdering innocent minorities.

Milkshakes vs assault rifles.

A group of people with no linked deaths, vs a group that used to hang black people from trees just because they could.

Back in my day, you had to kill a bunch of people to be considered a terrorist. Which is exactly what white supremacists/neo Nazis/alt right have done.

Was waiting for someone to finally summarize it like this...This is the point of this topic and why I created it. No one is providing any sort of logical or reasonable response as to why Antifa should be recognized as a terrorist group. They are literally a glorified gang that goes around protesting and on occasion beating up people with views similar to legitimate hate groups or hate groups themselves.

Of course, this could escalate over time and they could potentially become a legitimate threat but this is literally child's play compared to what white supremacist groups are breeding. These groups literally are killing people, have discussed overthrowing the government, and are the very definition of terrorism.

I see what you're saying. I doubt most the general public is worried about being attacked or threatened by Antifa. They obviously aren't as bad as a supremacist group or a religious cult, but they could still by definition be classified as terrorists just because of how they decide to handle those hate groups. Whether or not we agree or disagree with it, it is illegal.
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I see what you're saying but my problem with this whole thing is the failure of people in power to officially acknowledge organized white supremacist groups as terrorists. Instead they want to acknowledge the least violent group in this whole mess as the terrorists.

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fenderbender321 posted...

Putting a label on something does nothing.

Oh you joke(r) you. Tagged appropriately.

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White supremacist.
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