Poll of the Day > How is MAGA racist again?

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Lokarin 08/27/19 9:29:20 AM #1:	Make America Great Again: Since America was its greatest when taking in mass immigrants (such as the Irish migration, and the Jewish migration), that implies that taking in immigrants is what makes America great Now lets look at Trump. Trump has expanded legal immigration the most of any president since, umm, Hayes? Fillmore? Not sure which, IDK your timeline. So... where's the problem again? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:926603886] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Make America Great Again: Since America was its greatest when taking in mass immigrants (such as the Irish migration, and the Jewish migration), that implies that taking in immigrants is what makes America great Now lets look at Trump. Trump has expanded legal immigration the most of any president since, umm, Hayes? Fillmore? Not sure which, IDK your timeline. So... where's the problem again?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 08/27/19 9:45:04 AM #2:	The wall between the US and Mexico (which wont stop planes and boats anyway) Blocking Arabs from certain countries coming to the US regardless of whether the people are refugees/peaceful/whatever If you think Trump is not racist, you need to take off the blinders. --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:926604272] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>The wall between the US and Mexico (which wont stop planes and boats anyway) Blocking Arabs from certain countries coming to the US regardless of whether the people are refugees/peaceful/whatever If you think Trump is not racist, you need to take off the blinders.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 08/27/19 9:48:11 AM #3:	MAGA doesn't have to be a racist thing but most of the redcappers are seriously prejudice. --- I'd rather die helping others survive than be all alone, UNSCATHED, after all others have fallen -DEC <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:926604344] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>MAGA doesn't have to be a racist thing but most of the redcappers are seriously prejudice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 08/27/19 9:59:02 AM #4:	TyVulpine posted... The wall between the US and Mexico (which wont stop planes and boats anyway) Drug boats and planes are less common, my man. Still not racist, unless you think all Mexicans are illegal border hoppers damaging America. TyVulpine posted... Blocking Arabs from certain countries coming to the US regardless of whether the people are refugees/peaceful/whatever Islam is fairly radical even in the UK, guess how bad it is in countries that practice Sharia. US foreign terrorism is seated quite firmly in Islam so it's fair to be suspicious of areas in open support of said terrorists. Also, again, not racist since it blocks the nation, not the race. If the ban was actually on ethnic Arabs, you'd have a point. TyVulpine posted... If you think Trump is not racist, you need to take off the blinders. Not everything that effects other races or nations is racially driven; there are legitimate concerns that need to be addressed and crying racism every 5 minutes does not solve them. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:926604643] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>The wall between the US and Mexico (which wont stop planes and boats anyway)</quote> Drug boats and planes are less common, my man. Still not racist, unless you think all Mexicans are illegal border hoppers damaging America. TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>Blocking Arabs from certain countries coming to the US regardless of whether the people are refugees/peaceful/whatever</quote> Islam is fairly radical even in the UK, guess how bad it is in countries that practice Sharia. US foreign terrorism is seated quite firmly in Islam so it's fair to be suspicious of areas in open support of said terrorists. Also, again, not racist since it blocks the nation, not the race. If the ban was actually on ethnic Arabs, you'd have a point. TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>If you think Trump is not racist, you need to take off the blinders.</quote> Not everything that effects other races or nations is racially driven; there are legitimate concerns that need to be addressed and crying racism every 5 minutes does not solve them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/27/19 10:15:10 AM #5:	Kyuubi4269 posted... US foreign terrorism is seated quite firmly in Islam so it's fair to be suspicious of areas in open support of said terrorists. Except the travel ban in question didn't target countries with known ties to US foreign terrorism (which, in a shocking coincidence, are also countries where Trump has business interests), it targeted countries that were generating crisis levels of refugees. Saudi Arabia has been conclusively linked to funding 9/11. Yemen has not. Trump's travel ban was about looking like he was doing something to protect the US by keeping a bunch of brown people out (since much of his base doesn't understand the differences between the various middle eastern countries and cultures), without actually going so far as to step on the toes of the real culprits because they contribute too much money to the US. Lokarin posted... Make America Great Again: Since America was its greatest when taking in mass immigrants (such as the Irish migration, and the Jewish migration), that implies that taking in immigrants is what makes America great See, you know that, and I know that, but most of the rednecks who are convinced that illegal mexican immigrants are the reason they no longer have a job lack that understanding, and it's those people that are mostly being appealed to with "make America great again." Trump isn't referencing any specific period in America's history with the slogan, he's making a vague appeal to the people who feel that America used to be better and would like to return to those times, letting them come up with their own reasons why it's deteriorated and believe that he would be fixing them. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:926605088] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>US foreign terrorism is seated quite firmly in Islam so it's fair to be suspicious of areas in open support of said terrorists.</quote> Except the travel ban in question didn't target countries with known ties to US foreign terrorism (which, in a shocking coincidence, are also countries where Trump has business interests), it targeted countries that were generating crisis levels of refugees. Saudi Arabia has been conclusively linked to funding 9/11. Yemen has not. Trump's travel ban was about looking like he was doing something to protect the US by keeping a bunch of brown people out (since much of his base doesn't understand the differences between the various middle eastern countries and cultures), without actually going so far as to step on the toes of the real culprits because they contribute too much money to the US. Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Make America Great Again: Since America was its greatest when taking in mass immigrants (such as the Irish migration, and the Jewish migration), that implies that taking in immigrants is what makes America great</quote> See, you know that, and I know that, but most of the rednecks who are convinced that illegal mexican immigrants are the reason they no longer have a job lack that understanding, and it's those people that are mostly being appealed to with "make America great again." Trump isn't referencing any specific period in America's history with the slogan, he's making a vague appeal to the people who feel that America used to be better and would like to return to those times, letting them come up with their own reasons why it's deteriorated and believe that he would be fixing them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 08/27/19 10:15:16 AM #6:	TyVulpine posted... The wall between the US and Mexico (which wont stop planes and boats anyway) Blocking Arabs from certain countries coming to the US regardless of whether the people are refugees/peaceful/whatever Bear with me for a second. Can these be explained by something other than the race of the people from those countries? --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:926605092] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>The wall between the US and Mexico (which wont stop planes and boats anyway) Blocking Arabs from certain countries coming to the US regardless of whether the people are refugees/peaceful/whatever</quote> Bear with me for a second. Can these be explained by something other than the race of the people from those countries?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/27/19 10:17:39 AM #7:	Because its the slogan of a racist af president just like it was a slogan for Reagan, another racist af president whose mess we are still trying to clean up --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:926605166] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Because its the slogan of a racist af president just like it was a slogan for Reagan, another racist af president whose mess we are still trying to clean up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
green dragon 08/27/19 10:26:11 AM #8:	Lokarin posted... Since America was its greatest when taking in mass immigrants Well, the decade that has had the most immigration has been this decade. I always assume the "good ol' days" refers to the mid 50s to the end of the 60s. --- . <cite>green dragon posted [p:926605419] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote> Since America was its greatest when taking in mass immigrants</quote> Well, the decade that has had the most immigration has been this decade. I always assume the "good ol' days" refers to the mid 50s to the end of the 60s.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 08/27/19 10:27:40 AM #9:	adjl posted... See, you know that, and I know that, but most of the rednecks who are convinced that illegal mexican immigrants are the reason they no longer have a job lack that understanding, and it's those people that are mostly being appealed to with "make America great again." I don't think everyone who rally's behind MAGA is concerned with immigration. Nor does everyone concerned with immigration think it's the sole reason for job loss. Nor is anyone concerned with immigration and think it's responsible for job loss automatically a redneck. Maybe they just want the laws obeyed and to deal with violators of the law. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:926605463] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>See, you know that, and I know that, but most of the rednecks who are convinced that illegal mexican immigrants are the reason they no longer have a job lack that understanding, and it's those people that are mostly being appealed to with "make America great again."</quote> I don't think everyone who rally's behind MAGA is concerned with immigration. Nor does everyone concerned with immigration think it's the sole reason for job loss. Nor is anyone concerned with immigration and think it's responsible for job loss automatically a redneck. Maybe they just want the laws obeyed and to deal with violators of the law.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 08/27/19 10:32:13 AM #10:	adjl posted... Except the travel ban in question didn't target countries with known ties to US foreign terrorism (which, in a shocking coincidence, are also countries where Trump has business interests), it targeted countries that were generating crisis levels of refugees. Saudi Arabia has been conclusively linked to funding 9/11. Yemen has not. Trump's travel ban was about looking like he was doing something to protect the US by keeping a bunch of brown people out (since much of his base doesn't understand the differences between the various middle eastern countries and cultures), without actually going so far as to step on the toes of the real culprits because they contribute too much money to the US. The US tried to avoid antagonising business links? I would never expect that from a Capitalist country! The move, as you pointed out, helped with the fears of terrorism seated in the population. This is a populist move, he did what suited the time to boost the morale of the people who voted him in. Not racist, just pragmatic. adjl posted... See, you know that, and I know that, but most of the rednecks who are convinced that illegal mexican immigrants are the reason they no longer have a job lack that understanding, and it's those people that are mostly being appealed to with "make America great again." So he's racist because you think his supporters are a bunch of no-brain Hicks? Sounds like you're prejudice toward an entire group of people, that's pretty regressive of you. adjl posted... Trump isn't referencing any specific period in America's history with the slogan, he's making a vague appeal to the people who feel that America used to be better and would like to return to those times, letting them come up with their own reasons why it's deteriorated and believe that he would be fixing them. Who wudda thunk the populist put out bait to let the people believe he's on side. It's par for course, this is how you get the people on side and rally them under a single banner. It's like feminists saying they're for equality (exclusively where women aren't better off) or LGBT being about acceptance (unless you're white, straight or don't support our offshoot causes). You use vague sayings and allow members to decide for themselves what will make them compliant to the movement. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:926605612] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Except the travel ban in question didn't target countries with known ties to US foreign terrorism (which, in a shocking coincidence, are also countries where Trump has business interests), it targeted countries that were generating crisis levels of refugees. Saudi Arabia has been conclusively linked to funding 9/11. Yemen has not. Trump's travel ban was about looking like he was doing something to protect the US by keeping a bunch of brown people out (since much of his base doesn't understand the differences between the various middle eastern countries and cultures), without actually going so far as to step on the toes of the real culprits because they contribute too much money to the US.</quote> The US tried to avoid antagonising business links? I would never expect that from a Capitalist country! The move, as you pointed out, helped with the fears of terrorism seated in the population. This is a populist move, he did what suited the time to boost the morale of the people who voted him in. Not racist, just pragmatic. adjl posted...</cite> <quote>See, you know that, and I know that, but most of the rednecks who are convinced that illegal mexican immigrants are the reason they no longer have a job lack that understanding, and it's those people that are mostly being appealed to with "make America great again."</quote> So he's racist because you think his supporters are a bunch of no-brain Hicks? Sounds like you're prejudice toward an entire group of people, that's pretty regressive of you. adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Trump isn't referencing any specific period in America's history with the slogan, he's making a vague appeal to the people who feel that America used to be better and would like to return to those times, letting them come up with their own reasons why it's deteriorated and believe that he would be fixing them.</quote> Who wudda thunk the populist put out bait to let the people believe he's on side. It's par for course, this is how you get the people on side and rally them under a single banner. It's like feminists saying they're for equality (exclusively where women aren't better off) or LGBT being about acceptance (unless you're white, straight or don't support our offshoot causes). You use vague sayings and allow members to decide for themselves what will make them compliant to the movement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peterass 08/27/19 10:32:46 AM #11:	Because Trump said it, the left always reverts to the "that's racist" card. Literally the same reaction to everything when nothing has ever been about race. You want to see racism, look at the left and their hate speech and open anti white rhetoric --- Everything is awesome <cite>Peterass posted [p:926605634] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Because Trump said it, the left always reverts to the "that's racist" card. Literally the same reaction to everything when nothing has ever been about race. You want to see racism, look at the left and their hate speech and open anti white rhetoric</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 08/27/19 10:34:37 AM #12:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... adjl posted... See, you know that, and I know that, but most of the rednecks who are convinced that illegal mexican immigrants are the reason they no longer have a job lack that understanding, and it's those people that are mostly being appealed to with "make America great again." I don't think everyone who rally's behind MAGA is concerned with immigration. Nor does everyone concerned with immigration think it's the sole reason for job loss. Nor is anyone concerned with immigration and think it's responsible for job loss automatically a redneck. Maybe they just want the laws obeyed and to deal with violators of the law. Considering the false rhetoric is Mexicans are taking jobs Americans want when, in fact, they do the jobs Americans won't do. On top of the actual fact that the praised capitalism gave many jobs to many foreign countries in search of higher profits at the expense of the American population, any action towards Mexicans is deeply rooted in prejudice instilled via ignorance and propaganda. --- I'd rather die helping others survive than be all alone, UNSCATHED, after all others have fallen -DEC <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:926605696] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>See, you know that, and I know that, but most of the rednecks who are convinced that illegal mexican immigrants are the reason they no longer have a job lack that understanding, and it's those people that are mostly being appealed to with "make America great again."</quote> I don't think everyone who rally's behind MAGA is concerned with immigration. Nor does everyone concerned with immigration think it's the sole reason for job loss. Nor is anyone concerned with immigration and think it's responsible for job loss automatically a redneck. Maybe they just want the laws obeyed and to deal with violators of the law.</quote> Considering the false rhetoric is Mexicans are taking jobs Americans want when, in fact, they do the jobs Americans won't do. On top of the actual fact that the praised capitalism gave many jobs to many foreign countries in search of higher profits at the expense of the American population, any action towards Mexicans is deeply rooted in prejudice instilled via ignorance and propaganda.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GrimCyclone 08/27/19 10:35:39 AM #13:	It isn't racist. You forget most of the people here aren't successful people. They have an odd bent on the world and victim complexes skew a sound point of view. Just ignore them. If they respond to you? Ignore them. They feed on contention. I graduated from a university and make over 70k a year. To them, I'm rich and an outlier here. To me and reality, I'm barely a moderate success. I want you to think about that hard for a bit. The people here do not represent society at all. They are an extremely unique concentrated sample. It simply seems like they are a majority. They are not. I once did a poll here and like 85% are nerdy as hell. They are like 95% male too and hardly any of them likes macho or manly things. And many of them think negatively of such things. They are not the real world and never will be. I would be more generous when speaking of them, but having been here off and on for years, they have shown me they are very bitter and contentious. Not all of them to be sure, but a loud choir of them are. The best thing you can do is: run. --- "When he raises himself up, the mighty fear; Because of the crashing they are bewildered." https://imgur.com/EmR62Z5 <cite>GrimCyclone posted [p:926605737] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>It isn't racist. You forget most of the people here aren't successful people. They have an odd bent on the world and victim complexes skew a sound point of view. Just ignore them. If they respond to you? Ignore them. They feed on contention. I graduated from a university and make over 70k a year. To them, I'm rich and an outlier here. To me and reality, I'm barely a moderate success. I want you to think about that hard for a bit. The people here do not represent society at all. They are an extremely unique concentrated sample. It simply seems like they are a majority. They are not. I once did a poll here and like 85% are nerdy as hell. They are like 95% male too and hardly any of them likes macho or manly things. And many of them think negatively of such things. They are not the real world and never will be. I would be more generous when speaking of them, but having been here off and on for years, they have shown me they are very bitter and contentious. Not all of them to be sure, but a loud choir of them are. The best thing you can do is: run.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 08/27/19 10:37:08 AM #14:	How'd this topic get 10+ posts, each with a different opinion, and none of them about America's greatness? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:926605786] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>How'd this topic get 10+ posts, each with a different opinion, and none of them about America's greatness?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mad_Max 08/27/19 10:38:13 AM #15:	Lokarin posted... How'd this topic get 10+ posts, each with a different opinion, and none of them about America's greatness? I'd consider that successful trolling --- Terminal Crazy https://imgur.com/R9TrmGD <cite>Mad_Max posted [p:926605832] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>How'd this topic get 10+ posts, each with a different opinion, and none of them about America's greatness?</quote> I'd consider that successful trolling </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 08/27/19 10:41:39 AM #16:	TyVulpine posted... The wall between the US and Mexico (which wont stop planes and boats anyway) The vast majority of illegal immigrants are still jumping the border rather than coming in on planes. The MSM pushes that narrative though because we can actually document the ones coming over on planes so they claim most are coming over that way when it's simply nowhere near true. Most cant even afford a plane ticket TyVulpine posted... Blocking Arabs from certain countries coming to the US regardless of whether the people are refugees/peaceful/whatever Oh, you mean the same travel ban that actually originated with the obama administration? <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:926605959] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>The wall between the US and Mexico (which wont stop planes and boats anyway)</quote> The vast majority of illegal immigrants are still jumping the border rather than coming in on planes. The MSM pushes that narrative though because we can actually document the ones coming over on planes so they claim most are coming over that way when it's simply nowhere near true. Most cant even afford a plane ticket TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>Blocking Arabs from certain countries coming to the US regardless of whether the people are refugees/peaceful/whatever</quote> Oh, you mean the same travel ban that actually originated with the obama administration?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvilMegas 08/27/19 10:42:23 AM #17:	Lokarin topic. --- Official King of Black People https://imgur.com/Zk3VS3o http://imgur.com/a/UeQiE https://imgur.com/aSnCUuI <cite>EvilMegas posted [p:926605983] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GrimCyclone 08/27/19 10:42:39 AM #18:	Because they aren't classically educated and appeal to emotion. They say what they feel disregarding the fact that you posed the question a specific way. @adjl is one of them that pretends he has knowledge but doesn't. I've often made quick work of his feeble debating skills and hardly any here are apt enough to recognize it. He wouldn't dare come to a forum with real intellect. Here he likes to think he is the king of the two standard deviations below nominal IQ folk. He can stand out here. Bless his little heart. --- "When he raises himself up, the mighty fear; Because of the crashing they are bewildered." https://imgur.com/EmR62Z5 <cite>GrimCyclone posted [p:926605995] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Because they aren't classically educated and appeal to emotion. They say what they feel disregarding the fact that you posed the question a specific way. @adjl is one of them that pretends he has knowledge but doesn't. I've often made quick work of his feeble debating skills and hardly any here are apt enough to recognize it. He wouldn't dare come to a forum with real intellect. Here he likes to think he is the king of the two standard deviations below nominal IQ folk. He can stand out here. Bless his little heart.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/27/19 10:44:06 AM #19:	I once did a poll here and like 85% are nerdy as hell. They are like 95% male too and hardly any of them likes macho or manly things. And many of them think negatively of such things. holy shit there are nerds on a gaming site?! --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:926606041] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote><quote>I once did a poll here and like 85% are nerdy as hell. They are like 95% male too and hardly any of them likes macho or manly things. And many of them think negatively of such things.</quote> holy shit there are nerds on a gaming site?! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 08/27/19 10:44:57 AM #20:	--- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:926606066] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 08/27/19 10:51:38 AM #21:	bad bait try harder next time tc --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:926606281] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>bad bait try harder next time tc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 08/27/19 11:09:19 AM #22:	SunWuKung420 posted... any action towards Mexicans is deeply rooted in prejudice instilled via ignorance and propaganda. Mexican is a nationality, not a race, and we're not talking about all Mexicans either. Just those that crossed the boarder illegally. Plus most of the illegal immigrants aren't from Mexico. They just passed through Mexico to get to the US. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:926606861] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>any action towards Mexicans is deeply rooted in prejudice instilled via ignorance and propaganda.</quote> Mexican is a nationality, not a race, and we're not talking about all Mexicans either. Just those that crossed the boarder illegally. Plus most of the illegal immigrants aren't from Mexico. They just passed through Mexico to get to the US.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 08/27/19 11:11:27 AM #23:	SunWuKung420 posted... Considering the false rhetoric is Mexicans are taking jobs Americans want when, in fact, they do the jobs Americans won't do. They won't do them because they don't pay an acceptable living wage, and they don't pay an acceptable living wage because Mexicans fleeing the cartel will take barely surviving (particularly since they can skirt the law when undocumented). SunWuKung420 posted... On top of the actual fact that the praised capitalism gave many jobs to many foreign countries in search of higher profits at the expense of the American population The ones who are mad they can't get a living wage aren't the ones obsessed with capitalism. Demanding immigration enforcement is distinctly against free market forces. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:926606952] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>Considering the false rhetoric is Mexicans are taking jobs Americans want when, in fact, they do the jobs Americans won't do.</quote> They won't do them because they don't pay an acceptable living wage, and they don't pay an acceptable living wage because Mexicans fleeing the cartel will take barely surviving (particularly since they can skirt the law when undocumented). SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>On top of the actual fact that the praised capitalism gave many jobs to many foreign countries in search of higher profits at the expense of the American population</quote> The ones who are mad they can't get a living wage aren't the ones obsessed with capitalism. Demanding immigration enforcement is distinctly against free market forces.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/27/19 11:13:30 AM #24:	Conservatives: You cant cross the border illegally! Migrants request asylum at official entry points Conservatives: OMG lock up these criminals! --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:926607024] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Conservatives: You cant cross the border illegally! Migrants request asylum at official entry points Conservatives: OMG lock up these criminals! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 08/27/19 11:21:59 AM #25:	Also why do conservatives want to punish the illegals, but not the businesses that hire them? ~~Such as the business run by their cult leader?~~ --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:926607301] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Also why do conservatives want to punish the illegals, but not the businesses that hire them? Such as the business run by their cult leader?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 08/27/19 11:23:02 AM #26:	Kyuubi4269 posted... They won't do them because they don't pay an acceptable living wage, and they don't pay an acceptable living wage because Mexicans fleeing the cartel will take barely surviving (particularly since they can skirt the law when undocumented). But that's illegal. Aren't we all about being legal? Isn't the big bad thing that people say migrants have done is cross illegally? (even though it's legal for them to cross for asylum) Just because there's a labor pool to exploit doesn't give the businesses any legal right. Those companies thrive on cheap labor that has no rights. They do that because they get away with it. And those hardworking migrants are the people that suffer when a crackdown happens. And those companies doing that illegal hiring to save money with little more than a slap on the wrist is what keeps labor prices down. Don't blame you fellow workers for needing money. Blame those greedy ones up top looking for any way they can save a dollar --- Not a doctor. Shh! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:926607333] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>They won't do them because they don't pay an acceptable living wage, and they don't pay an acceptable living wage because Mexicans fleeing the cartel will take barely surviving (particularly since they can skirt the law when undocumented).</quote>But that's illegal. Aren't we all about being legal? Isn't the big bad thing that people say migrants have done is cross illegally? (even though it's legal for them to cross for asylum) Just because there's a labor pool to exploit doesn't give the businesses any legal right. Those companies thrive on cheap labor that has no rights. They do that because they get away with it. And those hardworking migrants are the people that suffer when a crackdown happens. And those companies doing that illegal hiring to save money with little more than a slap on the wrist is what keeps labor prices down. Don't blame you fellow workers for needing money. Blame those greedy ones up top looking for any way they can save a dollar </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 08/27/19 11:26:58 AM #27:	Mead posted... Conservatives: You cant cross the border illegally! Migrants request asylum at official entry points Conservatives: OMG lock up these criminals! Not what's happening at all. The ones being detained where caught crossing illegally. Not at official entry points. Then they request asylum because they were caught. Phantom_Nook posted... Also why do conservatives want to punish the illegals, but not the businesses that hire them? That's a valid criticism. The business that knowingly hire an illegal, or pay below minimum wage, should be addressed. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:926607495] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Conservatives: You cant cross the border illegally! Migrants request asylum at official entry points Conservatives: OMG lock up these criminals!</quote> Not what's happening at all. The ones being detained where caught crossing illegally. Not at official entry points. Then they request asylum because they were caught. Phantom_Nook posted...</cite> <quote>Also why do conservatives want to punish the illegals, but not the businesses that hire them? </quote> That's a valid criticism. The business that knowingly hire an illegal, or pay below minimum wage, should be addressed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PKMNsony 08/27/19 11:33:09 AM #28:	As someone with less white in me than native American in Elizabeth Warren, I've never felt a bit of racism that white liberals keep telling me I'm supposed to feel from Trump. \_()_/ <cite>PKMNsony posted [p:926607697] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>As someone with less white in me than native American in Elizabeth Warren, I've never felt a bit of racism that white liberals keep telling me I'm supposed to feel from Trump. \_()_/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 08/27/19 11:33:12 AM #29:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Mead posted... Conservatives: You cant cross the border illegally! Migrants request asylum at official entry points Conservatives: OMG lock up these criminals! Not what's happening at all. The ones being detained where caught crossing illegally. Not at official entry points. Then they request asylum because they were caught. Phantom_Nook posted... Also why do conservatives want to punish the illegals, but not the businesses that hire them? That's a valid criticism. The business that knowingly hire an illegal, or pay below minimum wage, should be addressed. But then who will Republicans get to clean their homes and mow their lawns for such little pay? --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:926607700] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Conservatives: You cant cross the border illegally! Migrants request asylum at official entry points Conservatives: OMG lock up these criminals!</quote> Not what's happening at all. The ones being detained where caught crossing illegally. Not at official entry points. Then they request asylum because they were caught. Phantom_Nook posted...</cite> <quote>Also why do conservatives want to punish the illegals, but not the businesses that hire them? </quote> That's a valid criticism. The business that knowingly hire an illegal, or pay below minimum wage, should be addressed.</quote> But then who will Republicans get to clean their homes and mow their lawns for such little pay?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 08/27/19 11:35:09 AM #30:	PKMNsony posted... As someone with less white in me than native American in Elizabeth Warren, I've never felt a bit of racism that white liberals keep telling me I'm supposed to feel from Trump. \_()_/ Ask the Puerto Ricans that asked Trump for help after the hurricane wiped out roads to remote parts of the island and all the stuff sat on tarmacs because relief couldn't reach them if Trump's not racist. Also, ask Trump when he plans on paying Puerto Rico that $33 million he still owes for the golf course. --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:926607764] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>PKMNsony posted...</cite> <quote>As someone with less white in me than native American in Elizabeth Warren, I've never felt a bit of racism that white liberals keep telling me I'm supposed to feel from Trump. \_()_/</quote> Ask the Puerto Ricans that asked Trump for help after the hurricane wiped out roads to remote parts of the island and all the stuff sat on tarmacs because relief couldn't reach them if Trump's not racist. Also, ask Trump when he plans on paying Puerto Rico that $33 million he still owes for the golf course.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/27/19 11:35:19 AM #31:	Not what's happening at all. The ones being detained where caught crossing illegally. Not at official entry points. Then they request asylum because they were caught. Citation needed --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:926607770] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote><quote>Not what's happening at all. The ones being detained where caught crossing illegally. Not at official entry points. Then they request asylum because they were caught.</quote> Citation needed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PKMNsony 08/27/19 11:55:54 AM #32:	TyVulpine posted... PKMNsony posted... As someone with less white in me than native American in Elizabeth Warren, I've never felt a bit of racism that white liberals keep telling me I'm supposed to feel from Trump. \_()_/ Ask the Puerto Ricans that asked Trump for help after the hurricane wiped out roads to remote parts of the island and all the stuff sat on tarmacs because relief couldn't reach them if Trump's not racist. Also, ask Trump when he plans on paying Puerto Rico that $33 million he still owes for the golf course. Did those things happen because he's racist or is it just because Puerto Ricans happen to not be white? <cite>PKMNsony posted [p:926608483] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>PKMNsony posted...</cite> <quote>As someone with less white in me than native American in Elizabeth Warren, I've never felt a bit of racism that white liberals keep telling me I'm supposed to feel from Trump. \_()_/</quote> Ask the Puerto Ricans that asked Trump for help after the hurricane wiped out roads to remote parts of the island and all the stuff sat on tarmacs because relief couldn't reach them if Trump's not racist. Also, ask Trump when he plans on paying Puerto Rico that $33 million he still owes for the golf course.</quote> Did those things happen because he's racist or is it just because Puerto Ricans happen to not be white?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 08/27/19 11:59:07 AM #33:	PKMNsony posted... TyVulpine posted... PKMNsony posted... As someone with less white in me than native American in Elizabeth Warren, I've never felt a bit of racism that white liberals keep telling me I'm supposed to feel from Trump. \_()_/ Ask the Puerto Ricans that asked Trump for help after the hurricane wiped out roads to remote parts of the island and all the stuff sat on tarmacs because relief couldn't reach them if Trump's not racist. Also, ask Trump when he plans on paying Puerto Rico that $33 million he still owes for the golf course. Did those things happen because he's racist or is it just because Puerto Ricans happen to not be white? Yes. Also ask the low-income blacks in NYC that Trump refused to rent apartments to while renting those same apartments to equally low-income whites. --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:926608597] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>PKMNsony posted...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>PKMNsony posted...</cite> <quote>As someone with less white in me than native American in Elizabeth Warren, I've never felt a bit of racism that white liberals keep telling me I'm supposed to feel from Trump. \_()_/</quote> Ask the Puerto Ricans that asked Trump for help after the hurricane wiped out roads to remote parts of the island and all the stuff sat on tarmacs because relief couldn't reach them if Trump's not racist. Also, ask Trump when he plans on paying Puerto Rico that $33 million he still owes for the golf course.</quote> Did those things happen because he's racist or is it just because Puerto Ricans happen to not be white?</quote> Yes. Also ask the low-income blacks in NYC that Trump refused to rent apartments to while renting those same apartments to equally low-income whites.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RCtheWSBC 08/27/19 12:00:00 PM #34:	EvilMegas posted... Lokarin topic. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/bkK57X7.jpg the White-Sounding Black Chick <cite>RCtheWSBC posted [p:926608627] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>EvilMegas posted...</cite> <quote>Lokarin topic.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 08/27/19 12:10:49 PM #35:	RCtheWSBC posted... EvilMegas posted... Lokarin topic. I was being earnest :V --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:926609040] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>RCtheWSBC posted...</cite> <quote>EvilMegas posted...</cite> <quote>Lokarin topic.</quote></quote> I was being earnest :V</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PKMNsony 08/27/19 12:27:22 PM #36:	TyVulpine posted... PKMNsony posted... TyVulpine posted... PKMNsony posted... As someone with less white in me than native American in Elizabeth Warren, I've never felt a bit of racism that white liberals keep telling me I'm supposed to feel from Trump. \_()_/ Ask the Puerto Ricans that asked Trump for help after the hurricane wiped out roads to remote parts of the island and all the stuff sat on tarmacs because relief couldn't reach them if Trump's not racist. Also, ask Trump when he plans on paying Puerto Rico that $33 million he still owes for the golf course. Did those things happen because he's racist or is it just because Puerto Ricans happen to not be white? Yes. Also ask the low-income blacks in NYC that Trump refused to rent apartments to while renting those same apartments to equally low-income whites. How so? Did Trump refuse to rent his apartments out to them? Did he actually handle all of those cases himself? <cite>PKMNsony posted [p:926609610] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>PKMNsony posted...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>PKMNsony posted...</cite> <quote>As someone with less white in me than native American in Elizabeth Warren, I've never felt a bit of racism that white liberals keep telling me I'm supposed to feel from Trump. \_()_/</quote> Ask the Puerto Ricans that asked Trump for help after the hurricane wiped out roads to remote parts of the island and all the stuff sat on tarmacs because relief couldn't reach them if Trump's not racist. Also, ask Trump when he plans on paying Puerto Rico that $33 million he still owes for the golf course.</quote> Did those things happen because he's racist or is it just because Puerto Ricans happen to not be white?</quote> Yes. Also ask the low-income blacks in NYC that Trump refused to rent apartments to while renting those same apartments to equally low-income whites.</quote> How so? Did Trump refuse to rent his apartments out to them? Did he actually handle all of those cases himself?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 08/27/19 12:31:06 PM #37:	PKMNsony posted... TyVulpine posted... PKMNsony posted... TyVulpine posted... PKMNsony posted... As someone with less white in me than native American in Elizabeth Warren, I've never felt a bit of racism that white liberals keep telling me I'm supposed to feel from Trump. \_()_/ Ask the Puerto Ricans that asked Trump for help after the hurricane wiped out roads to remote parts of the island and all the stuff sat on tarmacs because relief couldn't reach them if Trump's not racist. Also, ask Trump when he plans on paying Puerto Rico that $33 million he still owes for the golf course. Did those things happen because he's racist or is it just because Puerto Ricans happen to not be white? Yes. Also ask the low-income blacks in NYC that Trump refused to rent apartments to while renting those same apartments to equally low-income whites. How so? Did Trump refuse to rent his apartments out to them? Did he actually handle all of those cases himself? https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/02/trump-fbi-files-discrimination-case-235067 --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:926609744] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>PKMNsony posted...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>PKMNsony posted...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>PKMNsony posted...</cite> <quote>As someone with less white in me than native American in Elizabeth Warren, I've never felt a bit of racism that white liberals keep telling me I'm supposed to feel from Trump. \_()_/</quote> Ask the Puerto Ricans that asked Trump for help after the hurricane wiped out roads to remote parts of the island and all the stuff sat on tarmacs because relief couldn't reach them if Trump's not racist. Also, ask Trump when he plans on paying Puerto Rico that $33 million he still owes for the golf course.</quote> Did those things happen because he's racist or is it just because Puerto Ricans happen to not be white?</quote> Yes. Also ask the low-income blacks in NYC that Trump refused to rent apartments to while renting those same apartments to equally low-income whites.</quote> How so? Did Trump refuse to rent his apartments out to them? Did he actually handle all of those cases himself?</quote> https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/02/trump-fbi-files-discrimination-case-235067</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jramirez23 08/27/19 12:34:17 PM #38:	Wah wah, I miss the good ole days... wheres my Trump straw? --- When life backs you up into a corner, come out swingin'! <cite>jramirez23 posted [p:926609861] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Wah wah, I miss the good ole days... wheres my Trump straw? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 08/27/19 12:35:32 PM #39:	Ya, everyone is missing the point. What's wrong with a great America? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:926609915] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Ya, everyone is missing the point. What's wrong with a great America?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 08/27/19 12:43:16 PM #40:	Lokarin posted... Ya, everyone is missing the point. What's wrong with a great America? America was already great before Trump became president. It's Trump that is convincing the poorly educated that it wasn't and that it's all the Democrats' (and Obama's) fault, even in Republican-controlled states like Mississippi and Alabama. --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:926610194] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Ya, everyone is missing the point. What's wrong with a great America?</quote> America was already great before Trump became president. It's Trump that is convincing the poorly educated that it wasn't and that it's all the Democrats' (and Obama's) fault, even in Republican-controlled states like Mississippi and Alabama.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 08/27/19 12:44:19 PM #41:	TyVulpine posted... It's Trump that is convincing the poorly educated that it was wasn't Ok, I can see that. I thought maybe he was going for a "lets get even better, brah!" --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:926610229] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote> It's Trump that is convincing the poorly educated that it was wasn't</quote> Ok, I can see that. I thought maybe he was going for a "lets get even better, brah!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 08/27/19 12:44:46 PM #42:	Doctor Foxx posted... But that's illegal. Aren't we all about being legal? Isn't the big bad thing that people say migrants have done is cross illegally? (even though it's legal for them to cross for asylum) Exactly? The migrants cross illegally and the shitbags hire them illegally. Since it's hard to stop them harbouring criminals for their scummy practices, it makes sense to intercept the labour at the border first. Is it really so hard to imagine that people aren't randomly racist? Doctor Foxx posted... Don't blame you fellow workers for needing money. Blame those greedy ones up top looking for any way they can save a dollar This is a way to stop the practice, you are supporting their greedy self-serving interest and promoting their abuse by allowing migrants to cross illegally and enter the only work where a native speaker can't usurp them outright. The right operates in caution and pragmatism, so if you present your beliefs idealistically, right leaning people will treat you like you're insane. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:926610246] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>But that's illegal. Aren't we all about being legal? Isn't the big bad thing that people say migrants have done is cross illegally? (even though it's legal for them to cross for asylum)</quote> Exactly? The migrants cross illegally and the shitbags hire them illegally. Since it's hard to stop them harbouring criminals for their scummy practices, it makes sense to intercept the labour at the border first. Is it really so hard to imagine that people aren't randomly racist? Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>Don't blame you fellow workers for needing money. Blame those greedy ones up top looking for any way they can save a dollar</quote> This is a way to stop the practice, you are supporting their greedy self-serving interest and promoting their abuse by allowing migrants to cross illegally and enter the only work where a native speaker can't usurp them outright. The right operates in caution and pragmatism, so if you present your beliefs idealistically, right leaning people will treat you like you're insane.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 08/27/19 1:18:07 PM #43:	TyVulpine posted... PKMNsony posted... TyVulpine posted... PKMNsony posted... TyVulpine posted... PKMNsony posted... As someone with less white in me than native American in Elizabeth Warren, I've never felt a bit of racism that white liberals keep telling me I'm supposed to feel from Trump. \_()_/ Ask the Puerto Ricans that asked Trump for help after the hurricane wiped out roads to remote parts of the island and all the stuff sat on tarmacs because relief couldn't reach them if Trump's not racist. Also, ask Trump when he plans on paying Puerto Rico that $33 million he still owes for the golf course. Did those things happen because he's racist or is it just because Puerto Ricans happen to not be white? Yes. Also ask the low-income blacks in NYC that Trump refused to rent apartments to while renting those same apartments to equally low-income whites. How so? Did Trump refuse to rent his apartments out to them? Did he actually handle all of those cases himself? https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/02/trump-fbi-files-discrimination-case-235067 I think you misunderstood his question and the article pretty much proves the validity of his question. Trump did not directly oversee what the apartment managers were doing. It was the supervisor in charge that was discriminating and it sounds like trump was unaware of it. This kind of stuff is actually super common with rental properties. Often times, the property owners are unaware of what leasing office managers are doing and as a result there is an pretty high turnover rate for that particular job. <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:926611480] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>PKMNsony posted...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>PKMNsony posted...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>PKMNsony posted...</cite> <quote>As someone with less white in me than native American in Elizabeth Warren, I've never felt a bit of racism that white liberals keep telling me I'm supposed to feel from Trump. \_()_/</quote> Ask the Puerto Ricans that asked Trump for help after the hurricane wiped out roads to remote parts of the island and all the stuff sat on tarmacs because relief couldn't reach them if Trump's not racist. Also, ask Trump when he plans on paying Puerto Rico that $33 million he still owes for the golf course.</quote> Did those things happen because he's racist or is it just because Puerto Ricans happen to not be white?</quote> Yes. Also ask the low-income blacks in NYC that Trump refused to rent apartments to while renting those same apartments to equally low-income whites.</quote> How so? Did Trump refuse to rent his apartments out to them? Did he actually handle all of those cases himself?</quote> https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/02/trump-fbi-files-discrimination-case-235067</quote> I think you misunderstood his question and the article pretty much proves the validity of his question. Trump did not directly oversee what the apartment managers were doing. It was the supervisor in charge that was discriminating and it sounds like trump was unaware of it. This kind of stuff is actually super common with rental properties. Often times, the property owners are unaware of what leasing office managers are doing and as a result there is an pretty high turnover rate for that particular job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/27/19 1:46:38 PM #44:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Nor does everyone concerned with immigration think it's the sole reason for job loss. The reasons to be concerned about immigration are as follows: 1. Immigrants will drain the country's limited resources, leaving less available for native-born citizens 2. Immigrants will take jobs away from native-born citizens by working for lower wages The former has nothing to do with illegal immigrants, as they are ineligible for welfare and other such government programs. Ergo, the latter is the primary issue. If somebody doesn't think that immigration is a significant factor in the loss of their jobs (i.e. a sensible person who understands that those are jobs that simply aren't sustainable if they employ people at a living wage, meaning they'll be automated if outsourcing and other methods of cutting costs are prevented), then they don't have any reason to be opposed to immigration. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Maybe they just want the laws obeyed and to deal with violators of the law. Laws have no inherent value. "It's the law!" is not a valid defense of anything on its own. Kyuubi4269 posted... Not racist, just pragmatic. A pragmatic appeal to racist (or at least xenophobic) sentiments. Ergo, racist. Bear in mind that this does not necessarily mean that he himself is racist, just that he has made an appeal to racism a major part of his platform. Kyuubi4269 posted... So he's racist because you think his supporters are a bunch of no-brain Hicks? Do you think that anyone who doesn't see MAGA for the empty, meaningless pathos it is isn't unintelligent? Kyuubi4269 posted... Who wudda thunk the populist put out bait to let the people believe he's on side. It's par for course, this is how you get the people on side and rally them under a single banner. It's like feminists saying they're for equality (exclusively where women aren't better off) or LGBT being about acceptance (unless you're white, straight or don't support our offshoot causes). You use vague sayings and allow members to decide for themselves what will make them compliant to the movement. You're saying this all like it's a good thing. GrimCyclone posted... Because they aren't classically educated and appeal to emotion. They say what they feel disregarding the fact that you posed the question a specific way. @adjl is one of them that pretends he has knowledge but doesn't. I've often made quick work of his feeble debating skills and hardly any here are apt enough to recognize it. The last time you "tried" debating me you started talking about swords and divine wrath instead of actually providing evidence against evolution. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:926612567] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted...</cite> <quote>Nor does everyone concerned with immigration think it's the sole reason for job loss.</quote> The reasons to be concerned about immigration are as follows: 1. Immigrants will drain the country's limited resources, leaving less available for native-born citizens 2. Immigrants will take jobs away from native-born citizens by working for lower wages The former has nothing to do with illegal immigrants, as they are ineligible for welfare and other such government programs. Ergo, the latter is the primary issue. If somebody doesn't think that immigration is a significant factor in the loss of their jobs (i.e. a sensible person who understands that those are jobs that simply aren't sustainable if they employ people at a living wage, meaning they'll be automated if outsourcing and other methods of cutting costs are prevented), then they don't have any reason to be opposed to immigration. SKARDAVNELNATE posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe they just want the laws obeyed and to deal with violators of the law.</quote> Laws have no inherent value. "It's the law!" is not a valid defense of anything on its own. Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Not racist, just pragmatic.</quote> A pragmatic appeal to racist (or at least xenophobic) sentiments. Ergo, racist. Bear in mind that this does not necessarily mean that he himself is racist, just that he has made an appeal to racism a major part of his platform. Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>So he's racist because you think his supporters are a bunch of no-brain Hicks?</quote> Do you think that anyone who doesn't see MAGA for the empty, meaningless pathos it is isn't unintelligent? Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Who wudda thunk the populist put out bait to let the people believe he's on side. It's par for course, this is how you get the people on side and rally them under a single banner. It's like feminists saying they're for equality (exclusively where women aren't better off) or LGBT being about acceptance (unless you're white, straight or don't support our offshoot causes). You use vague sayings and allow members to decide for themselves what will make them compliant to the movement.</quote> You're saying this all like it's a good thing. GrimCyclone posted...</cite> <quote>Because they aren't classically educated and appeal to emotion. They say what they feel disregarding the fact that you posed the question a specific way. @adjl is one of them that pretends he has knowledge but doesn't. I've often made quick work of his feeble debating skills and hardly any here are apt enough to recognize it.</quote> The last time you "tried" debating me you started talking about swords and divine wrath instead of actually providing evidence against evolution.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broken_Zeus 08/27/19 1:49:54 PM #45:	Because "racist" is just a term used to disparage political opponents these days, which is why literal racism -- policies that explicitly favor one race over another -- is ignored. TyVulpine posted... The wall between the US and Mexico (which wont stop planes and boats anyway) Blocking Arabs from certain countries coming to the US regardless of whether the people are refugees/peaceful/whatever If you think Trump is not racist, you need to take off the blinders. lolwut? A wall is racist? Is the border racist as well? Because every fucking nation in the world has a border and most nations enforce that border to some degree. As for blocking people from certain nations, that was based on an Obama list. Are you calling Obama racist, too? And it's ironic that you tell people they need to take off their blinders, since just about the only way to believe those kinds of actions make a president racist is if you're wearing massively thick blinders. Kyuubi4269 posted... Also, again, not racist since it blocks the nation, not the race. If the ban was actually on ethnic Arabs, you'd have a point. The stupider part of TyVulpine's argument is that he's claiming it was an Arab ban, when the buzzword was that it was a Muslim ban (which still wasn't technically true). I guess even he seems to recognize that Muslim isn't a race -- unlike a few other posters on the board =p -- so he went for a mischaracterization. adjl posted... Except the travel ban in question didn't target countries with known ties to US foreign terrorism (which, in a shocking coincidence, are also countries where Trump has business interests), it targeted countries that were generating crisis levels of refugees. Saudi Arabia has been conclusively linked to funding 9/11. Yemen has not. Trump's travel ban was about looking like he was doing something to protect the US by keeping a bunch of brown people out (since much of his base doesn't understand the differences between the various middle eastern countries and cultures), without actually going so far as to step on the toes of the real culprits because they contribute too much money to the US. Saudi Arabia wasn't on Obama's travel ban list, either. You know what country WAS on Obama's restriction list? Yemen. If both parties agree on something, it's intellectually and morally disingenuous to put the onus on one party simply because you dislike that party. adjl posted... See, you know that, and I know that, but most of A post which itself is hypocritically deeply steeped in racist rhetoric. --- Gamefaqs cannot handle my #BrokenBrilliance <cite>Broken_Zeus posted [p:926612701] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Because "racist" is just a term used to disparage political opponents these days, which is why literal racism -- policies that explicitly favor one race over another -- is ignored. TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>The wall between the US and Mexico (which wont stop planes and boats anyway) Blocking Arabs from certain countries coming to the US regardless of whether the people are refugees/peaceful/whatever If you think Trump is not racist, you need to take off the blinders.</quote> lolwut? A wall is racist? Is the border racist as well? Because every fucking nation in the world has a border and most nations enforce that border to some degree. As for blocking people from certain nations, that was based on an Obama list. Are you calling Obama racist, too? And it's ironic that you tell people they need to take off their blinders, since just about the only way to believe those kinds of actions make a president racist is if you're wearing massively thick blinders. Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Also, again, not racist since it blocks the nation, not the race. If the ban was actually on ethnic Arabs, you'd have a point.</quote> The stupider part of TyVulpine's argument is that he's claiming it was an Arab ban, when the buzzword was that it was a Muslim ban (which still wasn't technically true). I guess even he seems to recognize that Muslim isn't a race -- unlike a few other posters on the board =p -- so he went for a mischaracterization. adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Except the travel ban in question didn't target countries with known ties to US foreign terrorism (which, in a shocking coincidence, are also countries where Trump has business interests), it targeted countries that were generating crisis levels of refugees. Saudi Arabia has been conclusively linked to funding 9/11. Yemen has not. Trump's travel ban was about looking like he was doing something to protect the US by keeping a bunch of brown people out (since much of his base doesn't understand the differences between the various middle eastern countries and cultures), without actually going so far as to step on the toes of the real culprits because they contribute too much money to the US.</quote> Saudi Arabia wasn't on Obama's travel ban list, either. You know what country WAS on Obama's restriction list? Yemen. If both parties agree on something, it's intellectually and morally disingenuous to put the onus on one party simply because you dislike that party. adjl posted...</cite> <quote>See, you know that, and I know that, but most of</quote> A post which itself is hypocritically deeply steeped in racist rhetoric.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/27/19 1:52:33 PM #46:	Broken_Zeus posted... Saudi Arabia wasn't on Obama's travel ban list, either. You know what country WAS on Obama's restriction list? Yemen. If both parties agree on something, it's intellectually and morally disingenuous to put the onus on one party simply because you dislike that party. You have an unhealthy obsession with whataboutism. You should really consider trying to fix that. Broken_Zeus posted... Muslim isn't a race It really rather baffles me how many people think "____ isn't a race so this isn't racism!" actually addresses the point being made. If the broadened use of the term bothers you that much, just mentally replace the word "racism" with "prejudicial discrimination on the basis of religion/culture/ethnicity" and carry on with your life. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:926612816] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Broken_Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Saudi Arabia wasn't on Obama's travel ban list, either. You know what country WAS on Obama's restriction list? Yemen. If both parties agree on something, it's intellectually and morally disingenuous to put the onus on one party simply because you dislike that party. </quote> You have an unhealthy obsession with whataboutism. You should really consider trying to fix that. Broken_Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Muslim isn't a race</quote> It really rather baffles me how many people think "____ isn't a race so this isn't racism!" actually addresses the point being made. If the broadened use of the term bothers you that much, just mentally replace the word "racism" with "prejudicial discrimination on the basis of religion/culture/ethnicity" and carry on with your life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broken_Zeus 08/27/19 1:55:45 PM #47:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Mead posted... Conservatives: You cant cross the border illegally! Migrants request asylum at official entry points Conservatives: OMG lock up these criminals! Not what's happening at all. The ones being detained where caught crossing illegally. Not at official entry points. Then they request asylum because they were caught. You mean Mead was LYING about something? --- Gamefaqs cannot handle my #BrokenBrilliance <cite>Broken_Zeus posted [p:926612951] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Conservatives: You cant cross the border illegally! Migrants request asylum at official entry points Conservatives: OMG lock up these criminals!</quote> Not what's happening at all. The ones being detained where caught crossing illegally. Not at official entry points. Then they request asylum because they were caught.</quote> You mean Mead was LYING about something? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 08/27/19 2:02:21 PM #48:	Broken_Zeus posted... SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Mead posted... Conservatives: You cant cross the border illegally! Migrants request asylum at official entry points Conservatives: OMG lock up these criminals! Not what's happening at all. The ones being detained where caught crossing illegally. Not at official entry points. Then they request asylum because they were caught. You mean Mead was LYING about something? What's actually happening is that the left is so determined to have open borders that everyone trying to get in is a "migrant seeking asylum" now. <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:926613265] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>Broken_Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Conservatives: You cant cross the border illegally! Migrants request asylum at official entry points Conservatives: OMG lock up these criminals!</quote> Not what's happening at all. The ones being detained where caught crossing illegally. Not at official entry points. Then they request asylum because they were caught.</quote> You mean Mead was LYING about something? </quote> What's actually happening is that the left is so determined to have open borders that everyone trying to get in is a "migrant seeking asylum" now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broken_Zeus 08/27/19 2:03:44 PM #49:	adjl posted... Broken_Zeus posted... Saudi Arabia wasn't on Obama's travel ban list, either. You know what country WAS on Obama's restriction list? Yemen. If both parties agree on something, it's intellectually and morally disingenuous to put the onus on one party simply because you dislike that party. You have an unhealthy obsession with whataboutism. You should really consider trying to fix that. You have an unhealthy obsession with writing off evidence that directly refutes your stupid, shitty arguments as whataboutism. You should really consider trying to fix that. adjl posted... Broken_Zeus posted... Muslim isn't a race It really rather baffles me how many people think "____ isn't a race so this isn't racism!" actually addresses the point being made. If the broadened use of the term bothers you that much, just mentally replace the word "racism" with "prejudicial discrimination on the basis of religion/culture/ethnicity" and carry on with your life. And it really rather baffles me that you'd miss the point that he went out of his way to falsely claim something to reframe the argument to make it sound like it was actually racist. However, whether you call it an Arab ban or a Muslim ban, it's wrong either way since other nations' Arab and/or Muslim citizens had access and the claim that it was steeped in racism was rather hilariously based more on a circular argument regarding who put that plan into place while, simultaneously, writing off the fact that the list came from Obama and he had planned on doing something similar as 'whataboutism," which is the new catchphrase for people who want to ignore messy things like precedent and other facts because they get in the way of a false narrative. And, to also quote one of the biggest advocates of the "whatabout claims".... BOOM! ROASTED! --- Gamefaqs cannot handle my #BrokenBrilliance <cite>Broken_Zeus posted [p:926613327] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Broken_Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Saudi Arabia wasn't on Obama's travel ban list, either. You know what country WAS on Obama's restriction list? Yemen. If both parties agree on something, it's intellectually and morally disingenuous to put the onus on one party simply because you dislike that party. </quote> You have an unhealthy obsession with whataboutism. You should really consider trying to fix that.</quote> You have an unhealthy obsession with writing off evidence that directly refutes your stupid, shitty arguments as whataboutism. You should really consider trying to fix that. adjl posted...</cite><quote>Broken_Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Muslim isn't a race</quote> It really rather baffles me how many people think "____ isn't a race so this isn't racism!" actually addresses the point being made. If the broadened use of the term bothers you that much, just mentally replace the word "racism" with "prejudicial discrimination on the basis of religion/culture/ethnicity" and carry on with your life.</quote> And it really rather baffles me that you'd miss the point that he went out of his way to falsely claim something to reframe the argument to make it sound like it was actually racist. However, whether you call it an Arab ban or a Muslim ban, it's wrong either way since other nations' Arab and/or Muslim citizens had access and the claim that it was steeped in racism was rather hilariously based more on a circular argument regarding who put that plan into place while, simultaneously, writing off the fact that the list came from Obama and he had planned on doing something similar as 'whataboutism," which is the new catchphrase for people who want to ignore messy things like precedent and other facts because they get in the way of a false narrative. And, to also quote one of the biggest advocates of the "whatabout claims".... BOOM! ROASTED!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 08/27/19 2:05:16 PM #50:	All I know is that the American restaurant industry, one of the last industries with available jobs, needs more reliable workers and those workers aren't being born in the US. --- I'd rather die helping others survive than be all alone, UNSCATHED, after all others have fallen -DEC <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:926613400] in How is MAG... [t:77967600]...</cite> <quote>All I know is that the American restaurant industry, one of the last industries with available jobs, needs more reliable workers and those workers aren't being born in the US.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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