Current Events > I almost cried at work yesterday CE, and I'm still super conflicted.

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OctilIery 09/04/19 11:25:47 AM #1:	Quick background: I work at a residential addiction recovery facility. 90 day program, 13 beds, male only. We have one black client and one black coworker. We had a client come in about a month, month and a half ago, I'll call him L. L was very rough at first - still going through withdrawls, a lot of attitude, and we weren't sure he'd make it through the program. But L surprised a lot of people. He had a TON of growth, and became a huge source of leadership and reason among the clients. Like a lot of our clients, and addicts in general, he had some social issues, some dark humor, and sometimes made bad decisions or reacted poorly to things. But about a week ago, he came in completely bawling after a pass, saying he felt super triggered and ready to split and use, and the only things that kept him sober was the stuff he'd learned here, and it made him feel more hopeful about himself than he has been in years. A few days after that, he was hanging out with his roommate, F, our only black client, who he's become really close with. They were joking around, and he, in an attempt at dark humor, put on a white sheet on his head and joked about being KKK. But because F knew him and knew it was a joke, F cracked up and loved it, because you have to joke about the harsh shit you deal with sometimes. Then L made the stupid decision to continue the joke, and bring T, our only black employee, in on it. T did not find it funny, and was understandably pissed. L immediately stopped, apologized profusely, and explained he meant it as a joke. T accepted the apology, and wrote about the incident in his shift notes, but did not file an official complaint. Unfortunately, this facility has a lot of very strict regulations, some put on the state, for the safety of both clients and staff. Racism is generally given a pretty immediate, harsh reaction. On top of that, this facility has had some issues with racist clients of various degrees since T started working here. L was not responsible for any of that, and this was the only such incident, but L was the last straw. The decision came down yesterday that L was to be discharged and would not be allowed back into the program. The moment L came into group crying and asking if he could say goodbye to people broke me a little. F started crying after about how he was losing one of his closest people, and while it was a very stupid decision this could very well put L's life in danger if he goes back on the street. The mood was super dark(another client got discharged for unrelated reasons at the same time, and while that discharge was fair and expected, it didn't help the mood at all). I understand and even agree with the decision. L could not be allowed to stay after his actions, even when they were meant to be harmless and he has shown such potential. Even considering L left a note for T, stating that he does not hold him even slightly responsible for the discharge and owning up to/apologizing for his actions again. Other clients hold T responsible, but that's a whole different issue. But despite all that, I didn't want L gone. I wanted to make an exception for him because this was just an awful situation to be declared the breaking point. I'm hoping L manages to make it through ok. Shit sucks, CE :/ tl;dr: Client with a lot of potential and a great attitude got discharged for a very racist joke despite having no ill intentions behind it. Client apologized both before and after the decision, and despite knowing the decision was right I really don't want the client to have been discharged :/ <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926952838] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>Quick background: I work at a residential addiction recovery facility. 90 day program, 13 beds, male only. We have one black client and one black coworker. We had a client come in about a month, month and a half ago, I'll call him L. L was very rough at first - still going through withdrawls, a lot of attitude, and we weren't sure he'd make it through the program. But L surprised a lot of people. He had a TON of growth, and became a huge source of leadership and reason among the clients. Like a lot of our clients, and addicts in general, he had some social issues, some dark humor, and sometimes made bad decisions or reacted poorly to things. But about a week ago, he came in completely bawling after a pass, saying he felt super triggered and ready to split and use, and the only things that kept him sober was the stuff he'd learned here, and it made him feel more hopeful about himself than he has been in years. A few days after that, he was hanging out with his roommate, F, our only black client, who he's become really close with. They were joking around, and he, in an attempt at dark humor, put on a white sheet on his head and joked about being KKK. But because F knew him and knew it was a joke, F cracked up and loved it, because you have to joke about the harsh shit you deal with sometimes. Then L made the stupid decision to continue the joke, and bring T, our only black employee, in on it. T did not find it funny, and was understandably pissed. L immediately stopped, apologized profusely, and explained he meant it as a joke. T accepted the apology, and wrote about the incident in his shift notes, but did not file an official complaint. Unfortunately, this facility has a lot of very strict regulations, some put on the state, for the safety of both clients and staff. Racism is generally given a pretty immediate, harsh reaction. On top of that, this facility has had some issues with racist clients of various degrees since T started working here. L was not responsible for any of that, and this was the only such incident, but L was the last straw. The decision came down yesterday that L was to be discharged and would not be allowed back into the program. The moment L came into group crying and asking if he could say goodbye to people broke me a little. F started crying after about how he was losing one of his closest people, and while it was a very stupid decision this could very well put L's life in danger if he goes back on the street. The mood was super dark(another client got discharged for unrelated reasons at the same time, and while that discharge was fair and expected, it didn't help the mood at all). I understand and even agree with the decision. L could not be allowed to stay after his actions, even when they were meant to be harmless and he has shown such potential. Even considering L left a note for T, stating that he does not hold him even slightly responsible for the discharge and owning up to/apologizing for his actions again. Other clients hold T responsible, but that's a whole different issue. But despite all that, I didn't want L gone. I wanted to make an exception for him because this was just an awful situation to be declared the breaking point. I'm hoping L manages to make it through ok. Shit sucks, CE :/ tl;dr: Client with a lot of potential and a great attitude got discharged for a very racist joke despite having no ill intentions behind it. Client apologized both before and after the decision, and despite knowing the decision was right I really don't want the client to have been discharged :/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HasaDiga 09/04/19 11:27:11 AM #2:	Offensive jokes in the workplace FTL. <cite>HasaDiga posted [p:926952880] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>Offensive jokes in the workplace FTL.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 09/04/19 11:31:32 AM #3:	HasaDiga posted... Offensive jokes in the workplace FTL. It's not the workplace for him though, it's his home. Still a bad decision, but I can understand where he came from. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926953034] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>HasaDiga posted...</cite> <quote>Offensive jokes in the workplace FTL.</quote> It's not the workplace for him though, it's his home. Still a bad decision, but I can understand where he came from.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 09/04/19 11:31:46 AM #4:	Here's hoping the lessons he learned stick with him. There main two being racism is unacceptable, and how to stay sober. Unfortunately, if he really was at a tipping point, he's likely to relapse on both aspects. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/x2KBsjI.png <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:926953047] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>Here's hoping the lessons he learned stick with him. There main two being racism is unacceptable, and how to stay sober. Unfortunately, if he really was at a tipping point, he's likely to relapse on both aspects.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 09/04/19 11:36:41 AM #5:	gunplagirl posted... Here's hoping the lessons he learned stick with him. There main two being racism is unacceptable, and how to stay sober. Unfortunately, if he really was at a tipping point, he's likely to relapse on both aspects. I don't think he's actually racist. Jokes are one thing but I know he likes the staff member in question, he's supported him in other instances. It's more about seeing how you appear to. Others, which he has admitted to before. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926953248] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Here's hoping the lessons he learned stick with him. There main two being racism is unacceptable, and how to stay sober. Unfortunately, if he really was at a tipping point, he's likely to relapse on both aspects.</quote> I don't think he's actually racist. Jokes are one thing but I know he likes the staff member in question, he's supported him in other instances. It's more about seeing how you appear to. Others, which he has admitted to before.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 09/04/19 12:03:49 PM #7:	jeffhardyb0yz posted... Uhhhh you act racist, dont be surprised when consequences occur, even if youre sobering up. Sucks but act like a racist, win racist prizes. I mean, putting a sheet on your head pretending to be the Klan? Really? Nobody is claiming it was OK or that the consequences are unfair, least of all him. But given the circumstances I would've liked to see him stay :/ If we hadn't discharged another client recently after a consistent racist attitude (who then proceeded to threaten retaliation against T) I don't think he'd be discharged, just put on a behavior contract. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926954316] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>jeffhardyb0yz posted...</cite> <quote>Uhhhh you act racist, dont be surprised when consequences occur, even if youre sobering up. Sucks but act like a racist, win racist prizes. I mean, putting a sheet on your head pretending to be the Klan? Really?</quote> Nobody is claiming it was OK or that the consequences are unfair, least of all him. But given the circumstances I would've liked to see him stay :/ If we hadn't discharged another client recently after a consistent racist attitude (who then proceeded to threaten retaliation against T) I don't think he'd be discharged, just put on a behavior contract.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 09/04/19 12:05:34 PM #8:	it sucks, but these are life lessons. I've been on the job close to 10 years now and seen many come and go for different reasons from sexual harassment to making threats, lol. even if done facetiously. --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:926954379] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>it sucks, but these are life lessons. I've been on the job close to 10 years now and seen many come and go for different reasons from sexual harassment to making threats, lol. even if done facetiously.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 09/04/19 12:07:40 PM #9:	That sucks man. I really dislike zero tolerance rules for reasons like this. Are there any other facilities that will take him in? Or that you can refer him to? --- Pitter-patter, let's get at 'er <cite>emblem boy posted [p:926954465] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>That sucks man. I really dislike zero tolerance rules for reasons like this. Are there any other facilities that will take him in? Or that you can refer him to?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CM_Ponch 09/04/19 12:15:39 PM #12:	How was this racist? There was no ill intention on his part. I could understand if he was making the joke to a bunch of white guys, but specifically doing it with his black friend who knew it was a joke is completely innocent. T even accepted the apology knowing this. --- SW-8316-3213-4720 <cite>CM_Ponch posted [p:926954760] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>How was this racist? There was no ill intention on his part. I could understand if he was making the joke to a bunch of white guys, but specifically doing it with his black friend who knew it was a joke is completely innocent. T even accepted the apology knowing this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 09/04/19 12:17:32 PM #13:	Yeah, that's a rough situation. Slightly off topic, but how do you like working there? I'm a recovering addict myself and I've kinda wondered about working at a rehab. I'm still firmly in the "helping myself before others" stage right now so I wouldn't dream of it for now, but the thought of helping others has always been appealing to me. <cite>treewojima posted [p:926954839] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, that's a rough situation. Slightly off topic, but how do you like working there? I'm a recovering addict myself and I've kinda wondered about working at a rehab. I'm still firmly in the "helping myself before others" stage right now so I wouldn't dream of it for now, but the thought of helping others has always been appealing to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 09/04/19 12:30:37 PM #14:	emblem boy posted... That sucks man. I really dislike zero tolerance rules for reasons like this. Are there any other facilities that will take him in? Or that you can refer him to? It's not quite zero tolerance, but there has been a series of issues not related to L that forced our hand. We did refer him to one of our outpatient programs and he might be able to get into clean and sober housing. We aren't abandoning him at all. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926955383] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>That sucks man. I really dislike zero tolerance rules for reasons like this. Are there any other facilities that will take him in? Or that you can refer him to?</quote> It's not quite zero tolerance, but there has been a series of issues not related to L that forced our hand. We did refer him to one of our outpatient programs and he might be able to get into clean and sober housing. We aren't abandoning him at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 09/04/19 12:31:24 PM #15:	treewojima posted... Yeah, that's a rough situation. Slightly off topic, but how do you like working there? I'm a recovering addict myself and I've kinda wondered about working at a rehab. I'm still firmly in the "helping myself before others" stage right now so I wouldn't dream of it for now, but the thought of helping others has always been appealing to me. It's a fantastic job, and rewarding, but it can be demanding too. I'm the only non addict working here right now, actually. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926955423] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, that's a rough situation. Slightly off topic, but how do you like working there? I'm a recovering addict myself and I've kinda wondered about working at a rehab. I'm still firmly in the "helping myself before others" stage right now so I wouldn't dream of it for now, but the thought of helping others has always been appealing to me.</quote> It's a fantastic job, and rewarding, but it can be demanding too. I'm the only non addict working here right now, actually.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk 09/04/19 12:32:00 PM #16:	You cried over a racist being fired? --- https://i.imgtc.ws/ZSMkmi1.jpg <cite>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted [p:926955451] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>You cried over a racist being fired?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/04/19 12:33:54 PM #17:	actually kind of interesting to view this topic and the @DarkRoast that's also on the front page about being assaulted by patients when it comes to physical health we are very, very cautious about denying care to the point of putting our medical workers at risk of tons of bad shit; but in mental and behavioral health care, apparently we are not so circumspect --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:926955525] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>actually kind of interesting to view this topic and the @DarkRoast that's also on the front page about being assaulted by patients when it comes to physical health we are very, very cautious about denying care to the point of putting our medical workers at risk of tons of bad shit; but in mental and behavioral health care, apparently we are not so circumspect </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 09/04/19 12:39:11 PM #19:	CM_Ponch posted... How was this racist? There was no ill intention on his part. I could understand if he was making the joke to a bunch of white guys, but specifically doing it with his black friend who knew it was a joke is completely innocent. T even accepted the apology knowing this. The problem is the history with T. This was a joke, but he has in the last few months received some very real racist actions and threats that did not lead to a discharge. Management decided we can no longer be tolerating it. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926955720] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>CM_Ponch posted...</cite> <quote>How was this racist? There was no ill intention on his part. I could understand if he was making the joke to a bunch of white guys, but specifically doing it with his black friend who knew it was a joke is completely innocent. T even accepted the apology knowing this.</quote> The problem is the history with T. This was a joke, but he has in the last few months received some very real racist actions and threats that did not lead to a discharge. Management decided we can no longer be tolerating it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 09/04/19 12:40:23 PM #20:	RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted... You cried over a racist being fired? I almost cried over a guy potentially losing a lot of progress in treatment and being put in real danger over a bad decision with no I'll intent behind it. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926955768] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...</cite> <quote>You cried over a racist being fired?</quote> I almost cried over a guy potentially losing a lot of progress in treatment and being put in real danger over a bad decision with no I'll intent behind it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 09/04/19 12:42:06 PM #21:	jeffhardyb0yz posted... CM_Ponch posted... How was this racist? There was no ill intention on his part. I could understand if he was making the joke to a bunch of white guys, but specifically doing it with his black friend who knew it was a joke is completely innocent. T even accepted the apology knowing this. What the absolute fuck. He made a directly racist joke to his black friend. B-b-but its okay! There was no ill intent there. I guess people who just casually drop the N bomb and claim to have black friends arent racist either There's a difference between "I have black friends" and "I and my black friend both laughed over this offensive joke". It was still a bad decision and fair he faced punishment, which L accepts, but that doesn't mean this isn't a sad situation. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926955839] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>jeffhardyb0yz posted...</cite> <quote>CM_Ponch posted...</cite> <quote>How was this racist? There was no ill intention on his part. I could understand if he was making the joke to a bunch of white guys, but specifically doing it with his black friend who knew it was a joke is completely innocent. T even accepted the apology knowing this.</quote> What the absolute fuck. He made a directly racist joke to his black friend. B-b-but its okay! There was no ill intent there. I guess people who just casually drop the N bomb and claim to have black friends arent racist either</quote> There's a difference between "I have black friends" and "I and my black friend both laughed over this offensive joke". It was still a bad decision and fair he faced punishment, which L accepts, but that doesn't mean this isn't a sad situation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cavalierking 09/04/19 12:42:14 PM #22:	jeffhardyb0yz posted... What the absolute fuck. He made a directly racist joke to his black friend. B-b-but its okay! There was no ill intent there. I guess people who just casually drop the N bomb and claim to have black friends arent racist either bro, how are you from nyc and this thin-skinned are you still haunted and distraught over that dave chapelle skit about that blind klansman too --- live and let live <cite>cavalierking posted [p:926955843] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>jeffhardyb0yz posted...</cite> <quote>What the absolute fuck. He made a directly racist joke to his black friend. B-b-but its okay! There was no ill intent there. I guess people who just casually drop the N bomb and claim to have black friends arent racist either</quote> bro, how are you from nyc and this thin-skinned are you still haunted and distraught over that dave chapelle skit about that blind klansman too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk 09/04/19 12:42:44 PM #23:	Safe spaces shouldn't tolerate racism. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/ZSMkmi1.jpg <cite>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted [p:926955861] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>Safe spaces shouldn't tolerate racism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 09/04/19 12:43:07 PM #24:	RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted... Safe spaces shouldn't tolerate racism. Nobody is saying they should. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926955883] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...</cite> <quote>Safe spaces shouldn't tolerate racism.</quote> Nobody is saying they should.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk 09/04/19 12:43:49 PM #25:	Then I don't see why you're upset. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/ZSMkmi1.jpg <cite>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted [p:926955910] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>Then I don't see why you're upset.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 09/04/19 12:46:11 PM #26:	RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted... Then I don't see why you're upset. Because there's a big difference between "he should face no consequences" and "he should be booted out", especially when the guy in question is genuinely remorseful and apologetic, has a clean history in our program, and most of the reasons discharge was the chosen punishment had nothing to do with him. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926956012] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...</cite> <quote>Then I don't see why you're upset.</quote> Because there's a big difference between "he should face no consequences" and "he should be booted out", especially when the guy in question is genuinely remorseful and apologetic, has a clean history in our program, and most of the reasons discharge was the chosen punishment had nothing to do with him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk 09/04/19 12:46:54 PM #27:	If he's as good as you claim he would have known being racist is against the rules --- https://i.imgtc.ws/ZSMkmi1.jpg <cite>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted [p:926956045] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>If he's as good as you claim he would have known being racist is against the rules</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 09/04/19 12:48:57 PM #29:	RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted... If he's as good as you claim he would have known being racist is against the rules He didn't view it as being racist, he viewed it as a racist joke. When he saw he was wrong, he quickly admitted and apologized. He even had a friend laugh with him at the joke. Nobody is saying he shouldn't be punished. We just want less of a punishment. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926956137] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...</cite> <quote>If he's as good as you claim he would have known being racist is against the rules</quote> He didn't view it as being racist, he viewed it as a racist joke. When he saw he was wrong, he quickly admitted and apologized. He even had a friend laugh with him at the joke. Nobody is saying he shouldn't be punished. We just want less of a punishment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk 09/04/19 12:49:44 PM #30:	Less of a punishment pretending to be from a group that lynches black people. Sure dude --- https://i.imgtc.ws/ZSMkmi1.jpg <cite>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted [p:926956175] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>Less of a punishment pretending to be from a group that lynches black people. Sure dude</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cavalierking 09/04/19 12:51:17 PM #32:	jeffhardyb0yz posted... How many black people from nyc do you think are gonna let white people put on sheets and pretend to be klan members and laugh? Let a white person do this to me at work and Im getting them reported/fired so we're just gonna ignore context here and be super by-the-books about everything? they were "really close" friends (the dude even "cracked up and loved it") and the intent wasn't ill --- live and let live <cite>cavalierking posted [p:926956243] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>jeffhardyb0yz posted...</cite> <quote>How many black people from nyc do you think are gonna let white people put on sheets and pretend to be klan members and laugh? Let a white person do this to me at work and Im getting them reported/fired </quote> so we're just gonna ignore context here and be super by-the-books about everything? they were "really close" friends (the dude even "cracked up and loved it") and the intent wasn't ill</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 09/04/19 12:52:26 PM #33:	fenderbender321 posted... RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted... If he's as good as you claim he would have known being racist is against the rules "Being racist". Who was the victim? Fuck it, just ignore them. He's a troll who argues for the sake of arguing when I'm involved. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926956301] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...</cite> <quote>If he's as good as you claim he would have known being racist is against the rules</quote> "Being racist". Who was the victim?</quote> Fuck it, just ignore them. He's a troll who argues for the sake of arguing when I'm involved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/04/19 12:52:41 PM #34:	no one else thinks its kind of interesting that a doctor in a hospital can't refuse to help an actual member of the KKK, but in another medical field you can lose access to care over a very racist joke? --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:926956319] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>no one else thinks its kind of interesting that a doctor in a hospital can't refuse to help an actual member of the KKK, but in another medical field you can lose access to care over a very racist joke? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk 09/04/19 12:54:26 PM #35:	By pretending to be a member of the kkk in an environment already racially hostile to the black employee then you're a danger and don't belong there. This isn't like he made a racist joke about watermelon. He pretended to be from a group that kills black people. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/ZSMkmi1.jpg <cite>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted [p:926956390] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>By pretending to be a member of the kkk in an environment already racially hostile to the black employee then you're a danger and don't belong there. This isn't like he made a racist joke about watermelon. He pretended to be from a group that kills black people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk 09/04/19 1:00:20 PM #39:	jeffhardyb0yz posted... Ohhhh man, its okay I can make Ku Klux Klan jokes to you cause youre gonna crack up and love it. Theres no ill intent man, I just think pretending to dress up as racist, genocidal idolizing organizations is hilarious. Dont worry youre gonna crack up and love it though That's not the problem. His friend did find it funny. The problem is the only black employee who's already been a victim of racial issues, found it offensive and told him to stop. People are acting like one black person giving the okay means all black people have to give the okay. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/ZSMkmi1.jpg <cite>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted [p:926956620] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>jeffhardyb0yz posted...</cite> <quote> Ohhhh man, its okay I can make Ku Klux Klan jokes to you cause youre gonna crack up and love it. Theres no ill intent man, I just think pretending to dress up as racist, genocidal idolizing organizations is hilarious. Dont worry youre gonna crack up and love it though</quote> That's not the problem. His friend did find it funny. The problem is the only black employee who's already been a victim of racial issues, found it offensive and told him to stop. People are acting like one black person giving the okay means all black people have to give the okay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk 09/04/19 1:02:51 PM #41:	jeffhardyb0yz posted... See what happened when he tried his racist BS on someone who didnt crack up and love it? Maybe he didn't understand the joke? Maybe he's not one of the good ones? Maybe he needs to respect the other black guy's decision and realize the white guy has n word privilege? So many explanations. Of course the one that he's racist isn't the valid one. No sir. Not at all. That's just foolish to think that. /s --- https://i.imgtc.ws/ZSMkmi1.jpg <cite>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted [p:926956725] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>jeffhardyb0yz posted...</cite> <quote>See what happened when he tried his racist BS on someone who didnt crack up and love it?</quote> Maybe he didn't understand the joke? Maybe he's not one of the good ones? Maybe he needs to respect the other black guy's decision and realize the white guy has n word privilege? So many explanations. Of course the one that he's racist isn't the valid one. No sir. Not at all. That's just foolish to think that. /s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 09/04/19 1:08:58 PM #42:	Don't these centers treat junkies that have actually committed violent crimes and such during their drug use? How weird that past criminal behavior is tolerated but racism is the line that gets you booted. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:926957004] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>Don't these centers treat junkies that have actually committed violent crimes and such during their drug use? How weird that past criminal behavior is tolerated but racism is the line that gets you booted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 09/04/19 1:11:47 PM #44:	The Admiral posted... Don't these centers treat junkies that have actually committed violent crimes and such during their drug use? How weird that past criminal behavior is tolerated but racism is the line that gets you booted. if they commit any kind of crime, violent or not, while in the program, they will almost certainly be kicked out and possibly go back to jail/prison depending on how they got to this group home --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:926957121] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>The Admiral posted... </cite> <quote>Don't these centers treat junkies that have actually committed violent crimes and such during their drug use? How weird that past criminal behavior is tolerated but racism is the line that gets you booted.</quote> if they commit any kind of crime, violent or not, while in the program, they will almost certainly be kicked out and possibly go back to jail/prison depending on how they got to this group home </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk 09/04/19 1:13:01 PM #45:	The Admiral posted... Don't these centers treat junkies that have actually committed violent crimes and such during their drug use? How weird that past criminal behavior is tolerated but racism is the line that gets you booted. They're usually are there on the condition if they threaten a staff or other member or assault someone then they're removed. At least in the ones I've been at anyway --- https://i.imgtc.ws/ZSMkmi1.jpg <cite>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted [p:926957175] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Don't these centers treat junkies that have actually committed violent crimes and such during their drug use? How weird that past criminal behavior is tolerated but racism is the line that gets you booted. </quote> They're usually are there on the condition if they threaten a staff or other member or assault someone then they're removed. At least in the ones I've been at anyway</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HypnoCoosh 09/04/19 1:13:05 PM #47:	yawn --- "If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter." George Washington <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:926957180] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>yawn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 09/04/19 1:23:05 PM #48:	RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted... The Admiral posted... Don't these centers treat junkies that have actually committed violent crimes and such during their drug use? How weird that past criminal behavior is tolerated but racism is the line that gets you booted. They're usually are there on the condition if they threaten a staff or other member or assault someone then they're removed. At least in the ones I've been at anyway Yup. We don't judge on your past and many don't even have a criminal past. But we react to behavior while here <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926957569] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...</cite> <quote>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Don't these centers treat junkies that have actually committed violent crimes and such during their drug use? How weird that past criminal behavior is tolerated but racism is the line that gets you booted. </quote> They're usually are there on the condition if they threaten a staff or other member or assault someone then they're removed. At least in the ones I've been at anyway</quote> Yup. We don't judge on your past and many don't even have a criminal past. But we react to behavior while here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 09/04/19 1:33:08 PM #49:	Balrog0 posted... no one else thinks its kind of interesting that a doctor in a hospital can't refuse to help an actual member of the KKK, but in another medical field you can lose access to care over a very racist joke? Is tcs work place legally seen as a hospital? Does that make a difference? But then, aren't doctors at times required to provide help of some kind in any kind of setting? But I don't think that would apply to this case --- Pitter-patter, let's get at 'er <cite>emblem boy posted [p:926957998] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>no one else thinks its kind of interesting that a doctor in a hospital can't refuse to help an actual member of the KKK, but in another medical field you can lose access to care over a very racist joke? </quote> Is tcs work place legally seen as a hospital? Does that make a difference? But then, aren't doctors at times required to provide help of some kind in any kind of setting? But I don't think that would apply to this case</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cavalierking 09/04/19 1:34:11 PM #50:	jeffhardyb0yz posted... Ohhhh man, its okay I can make Ku Klux Klan jokes to you cause youre gonna crack up and love it. Theres no ill intent man, I just think pretending to dress up as racist, genocidal idolizing organizations is hilarious. Dont worry youre gonna crack up and love it though again, context and intent - or have you yourself never laughed at any kind of racist joke before you know, despite being an ethnic minority from nyc you know, that hugely multiethnic area where casual racism is rampant and is consequently, you know, bound to be encountered everyday like, again, seriously how thin-skinned are you - and as i mentioned before, even chappelle dressed up as a klansman (which you could argue is even worse considering he's black) for the sake of comedy do you hold him in just as bad a light as the guy from the op? like, are we just gonna be super serious, zero tolerance, always-by-the-books hardasses about everything? or can we - at least sometimes - demonstrate some maturity and empathy and try to understand things on a case-by-case basis --- live and let live <cite>cavalierking posted [p:926958047] in I almost c... [t:77986579]...</cite> <quote>jeffhardyb0yz posted...</cite> <quote>Ohhhh man, its okay I can make Ku Klux Klan jokes to you cause youre gonna crack up and love it. Theres no ill intent man, I just think pretending to dress up as racist, genocidal idolizing organizations is hilarious. Dont worry youre gonna crack up and love it though</quote> again, context and intent - or have you yourself never laughed at any kind of racist joke before you know, despite being an ethnic minority from nyc you know, that hugely multiethnic area where casual racism is rampant and is consequently, you know, bound to be encountered everyday like, again, seriously how thin-skinned are you - and as i mentioned before, even chappelle dressed up as a klansman (which you could argue is even worse considering he's black) for the sake of comedy do you hold him in just as bad a light as the guy from the op? like, are we just gonna be super serious, zero tolerance, always-by-the-books hardasses about everything? or can we - at least sometimes - demonstrate some maturity and empathy and try to understand things on a case-by-case basis</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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