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coh
09/07/19 10:28:02 PM
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Or is the damage already too much?
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AlisLandale
09/07/19 10:30:54 PM
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TLJ was just the franchise going off the rails. RoS is going to be the actual wreck.

and its going to be amazing lol

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Monkhood
09/07/19 10:31:49 PM
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"Fuck it."
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au_gold
09/07/19 10:38:54 PM
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No. The Last Jedi did irreparable damage to the franchise.

The best they can do is make it not shitty.
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Wii_Shaker
09/07/19 10:39:01 PM
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I like the Disney Star Wars movies. The cinematography is better. The story and pacing is better. The acting is better. The special effects are much better.

Nostalgic nerds are the hardest to please as they are emotionally attached to inferior cinematic experiences.
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Shablagoo
09/07/19 10:40:49 PM
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AlisLandale posted...
TLJ was just the franchise going off the rails. RoS is going to be the actual wreck.

and its going to be amazing lol


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LordFarquad1312
09/07/19 10:42:16 PM
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Doubtful.
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SSJGrimReaper
09/07/19 10:43:08 PM
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none of the new sequel trilogy characters are interesting
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HylianFox
09/07/19 10:44:31 PM
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SSJGrimReaper posted...
none of the new sequel trilogy characters are interesting


I like Poe, but TLJ turned him into a raving idiot (although he had every right to question Holdo's tactics)

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KlownArt
09/07/19 10:44:57 PM
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au_gold posted...
No. The Last Jedi did irreparable damage to the franchise.

The best they can do is make it not shitty.


This really. I'm not even a hardcore Star Wars fan, but TLJ really fucked up everything.
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deanshow
09/07/19 10:45:56 PM
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Wii_Shaker posted...
I like the Disney Star Wars movies. The cinematography is better. The story and pacing is better. The acting is better. The special effects are much better.

Nostalgic nerds are the hardest to please as they are emotionally attached to inferior cinematic experiences.



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coh
09/07/19 10:46:48 PM
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Wii_Shaker posted...
I like the Disney Star Wars movies. The cinematography is better. The story and pacing is better. The acting is better. The special effects are much better.

Nostalgic nerds are the hardest to please as they are emotionally attached to inferior cinematic experiences.
This is the worst take I've ever seen.
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LordFarquad1312
09/07/19 10:46:58 PM
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HylianFox posted...
SSJGrimReaper posted...
none of the new sequel trilogy characters are interesting


I like Poe, but TLJ turned him into a raving idiot (although he had every right to question Holdo's tactics)

That felt insulting. It's almost as if we, the audience, should feel stupid for ever questioning this new character with 0 prior background that to our eyes has been making nothing but bad calls the whole movie.
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Doom_Art
09/07/19 10:47:02 PM
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Seems as though you've already made your mind up TC

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LordFarquad1312
09/07/19 10:48:28 PM
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coh posted...
Wii_Shaker posted...
I like the Disney Star Wars movies. The cinematography is better. The story and pacing is better. The acting is better. The special effects are much better.

Nostalgic nerds are the hardest to please as they are emotionally attached to inferior cinematic experiences.
This is the worst take I've ever seen.

TFA is literally A New Hope. TLJ wastes like a fourth of it's already ridiculously long run time on a filler story for Finn and Rose. No idea how he thinks the story is better.
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rexcrk
09/07/19 10:54:07 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
coh posted...
Wii_Shaker posted...
I like the Disney Star Wars movies. The cinematography is better. The story and pacing is better. The acting is better. The special effects are much better.

Nostalgic nerds are the hardest to please as they are emotionally attached to inferior cinematic experiences.
This is the worst take I've ever seen.

TFA is literally A New Hope.

I really wish people would stop saying this.

Have I seen a different cut of the movie than everyone else? Because the version Ive seen does have a lot of similarities to ANH (much like how RotJ does ) but also plenty of differences.

But no one likes hearing that part.
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IShall_Run_Amok
09/07/19 10:54:07 PM
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These are the first half-good Star Wars movies since the 80s. "They" can continuing "ruining" the franchise with impunity as far as I'm concerned.
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pfh1001
09/07/19 10:55:21 PM
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SSJGrimReaper posted...
none of the new sequel trilogy characters are interesting
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Dampproof
09/07/19 10:56:53 PM
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Yeah I guess its been a day since the last TLJ circlejerk thread.

Gotta keep those home fires warm.
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Gen5_AppleJack
09/07/19 10:57:07 PM
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Wouldn't ep 1 by Rise of Skywalker?
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LordFarquad1312
09/07/19 10:59:27 PM
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rexcrk posted...
LordFarquad1312 posted...
coh posted...
Wii_Shaker posted...
I like the Disney Star Wars movies. The cinematography is better. The story and pacing is better. The acting is better. The special effects are much better.

Nostalgic nerds are the hardest to please as they are emotionally attached to inferior cinematic experiences.
This is the worst take I've ever seen.

TFA is literally A New Hope.

I really wish people would stop saying this.

Have I seen a different cut of the movie than everyone else? Because the version Ive seen does have a lot of similarities to ANH (much like how RotJ does ) but also plenty of differences.

But no one likes hearing that part.

A young person with big aspirations stuck on a desert planet suddenly receives a visitor from outer space bearing news that can change the course of the war. This puts them in contact with an old man that was involved in the previous war who will act as a mentor figure of sorts. Together they depart into outer space, only to learn that the opossing faction has a weapon of mass destruction. However, the visitor from outer space holds the key to destroying this weapon, so together with an allied army they prepare to face the enemy. However, a figure from the mentor's past kills him and the young person discovers a power within that allows them to face this threat.

Which movie am I talking about? ANH or TFA?
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CelestialVoices
09/07/19 11:01:20 PM
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probably not

but maybe

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IShall_Run_Amok
09/07/19 11:10:03 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
rexcrk posted...
LordFarquad1312 posted...
coh posted...
Wii_Shaker posted...
I like the Disney Star Wars movies. The cinematography is better. The story and pacing is better. The acting is better. The special effects are much better.

Nostalgic nerds are the hardest to please as they are emotionally attached to inferior cinematic experiences.
This is the worst take I've ever seen.

TFA is literally A New Hope.

I really wish people would stop saying this.

Have I seen a different cut of the movie than everyone else? Because the version Ive seen does have a lot of similarities to ANH (much like how RotJ does ) but also plenty of differences.

But no one likes hearing that part.

A young person with big aspirations stuck on a desert planet suddenly receives a visitor from outer space bearing news that can change the course of the war. This puts them in contact with an old man that was involved in the previous war who will act as a mentor figure of sorts. Together they depart into outer space, only to learn that the opossing faction has a weapon of mass destruction. However, the visitor from outer space holds the key to destroying this weapon, so together with an allied army they prepare to face the enemy. However, a figure from the mentor's past kills him and the young person discovers a power within that allows them to face this threat.

Which movie am I talking about? ANH or TFA?

Literally just a plot synopsis, grossly simplified - just enough so the two movies sound the same, but complex enough to not resemble other movies.
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cjsdowg
09/07/19 11:12:08 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Literally just a plot synopsis, grossly simplified - just enough so the two movies sound the same, but complex enough to not resemble other movies.


You are right .. there was a HUGH Difference. Luke wasn't a Mary Sue.
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LordFarquad1312
09/07/19 11:12:45 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
LordFarquad1312 posted...
rexcrk posted...
LordFarquad1312 posted...
coh posted...
Wii_Shaker posted...
I like the Disney Star Wars movies. The cinematography is better. The story and pacing is better. The acting is better. The special effects are much better.

Nostalgic nerds are the hardest to please as they are emotionally attached to inferior cinematic experiences.
This is the worst take I've ever seen.

TFA is literally A New Hope.

I really wish people would stop saying this.

Have I seen a different cut of the movie than everyone else? Because the version Ive seen does have a lot of similarities to ANH (much like how RotJ does ) but also plenty of differences.

But no one likes hearing that part.

A young person with big aspirations stuck on a desert planet suddenly receives a visitor from outer space bearing news that can change the course of the war. This puts them in contact with an old man that was involved in the previous war who will act as a mentor figure of sorts. Together they depart into outer space, only to learn that the opossing faction has a weapon of mass destruction. However, the visitor from outer space holds the key to destroying this weapon, so together with an allied army they prepare to face the enemy. However, a figure from the mentor's past kills him and the young person discovers a power within that allows them to face this threat.

Which movie am I talking about? ANH or TFA?

Literally just a plot synopsis, grossly simplified - just enough so the two movies sound the same, but complex enough to not resemble other movies.

Nah, I put enough details there. To TLJ's credit, I can't do that with it.
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Wii_Shaker
09/07/19 11:13:18 PM
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coh posted...
Wii_Shaker posted...
I like the Disney Star Wars movies. The cinematography is better. The story and pacing is better. The acting is better. The special effects are much better.

Nostalgic nerds are the hardest to please as they are emotionally attached to inferior cinematic experiences.
This is the worst take I've ever seen.

Ok. Can you articulate why? Maybe even explain why TLJ was such a bad film?
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s0nicfan
09/07/19 11:22:38 PM
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au_gold posted...
No. The Last Jedi did irreparable damage to the franchise.

The best they can do is make it not shitty.


I would be worried if everybody across the board was like yeah, it was a good movie its much more exciting to me when you get a group of people who are coming up to you who are really really excited about it. Then there are other people who walk out literally saying its the worst movie Ive ever seen. Having those two extremes is the mark of the type of movie that I want to make.

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BruceWayneJr
09/07/19 11:31:29 PM
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I have a bad feeling about this?
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Tired-Insomniac
09/07/19 11:36:06 PM
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I'm cautiously optimistic that RoS will retroactively make TLJ good.

Like if you watch them back to back they're a great two part story but TLJ on its own sucks.

I did absolutely love Rogue One, haven't seen Solo yet but have heard that it actually wasn't as bad as everyone expected it would be. TFA was pretty good but they played it really safe so it was hard for it to be bad.
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Monkhood
09/07/19 11:38:38 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Having those two extremes is the mark of the type of movie that I want to make.

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IShall_Run_Amok
09/07/19 11:41:51 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
Mary Sue.

Gross.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Nah, I put enough details there. To TLJ's credit, I can't do that with it.

No, I still said what I said.
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cjsdowg
09/07/19 11:47:34 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Gross.


You don't think she is ?
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ThanksUglyGod
09/08/19 12:03:34 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Gross.


You don't think she is ?

She's not a doofus like Luke was, so that makes her a Mary Sue.
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cjsdowg
09/08/19 12:52:54 AM
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ThanksUglyGod posted...

She's not a doofus like Luke was, so that makes her a Mary Sue.


Let's review.

Luke meets up with sand people.. he is beaten.
Rey meets up with bandits in the sand he takes them out.

Luke has hard time controlling R2D2
Rey has no trouble getting BB-8 to follow her around.

Luke needs help getting off world.
Rey flys off world herself.

Luke fires the gun while Han flies.
Rey Aims for Finn.

Luke hit almost beat up in the cantina
Rey beats Hentai Monster.

Luke doesn't fight Vader
Rey beats Kylo.

Oh what Rey did get kidnapped

Only to use the Jedi mind trick without even hearing about it before and the escaping by herself.

You are really comparing her to Luke ? Should I go on the TLJ.. where she takes out 3 tie fighters with one shot .
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Dampproof
09/08/19 12:54:12 AM
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I bet Rey would've gotten those power converters from Tosche Station yesterday.
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evil_zombie11
09/08/19 12:59:07 AM
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Rey could solo palpy, dooku, vader, AND snoke if she wanted.
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Monferno_AQW
09/08/19 1:28:02 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
Let's review.


Yes, let's.

Each one is in order. So without further ado...


Luke meets up with sand people.. he is beaten.
Rey meets up with bandits in the sand he takes them out.

Luke has hard time controlling R2D2
Rey has no trouble getting BB-8 to follow her around.

Luke needs help getting off world.
Rey flys off world herself.

Luke fires the gun while Han flies.
Rey Aims for Finn.

Luke hit almost beat up in the cantina
Rey beats Hentai Monster.

Luke doesn't fight Vader
Rey beats Kylo.

Oh what Rey did get kidnapped

Only to use the Jedi mind trick without even hearing about it before and the escaping by herself.

Should I go on the TLJ.. where she takes out 3 tie fighters with one shot .


Luke lives with his aunt and uncle who take care of him and protect him, along with a secret Jedi protector.
Rey lives by herself and has since she was about 5-ish and is shown having to fend for herself. Of course she beats the bandits who attempt to steal BB-8.

As has been shown, droids have different personalities. Another thing is Luke didn't save R2; Rey, however, saved BB-8 and allowed him to stay with her, therefore BB-8 trusts her.

Both have experience in piloting. The difference is that Luke didn't have a ship available to him that could go off-world; Rey, however, knew of one available, even though it wasn't her first choice.

Incorrect. BOTH were firing the guns while, IIRC, Chewie and Leia flew. Rey only "aimed" for Finn because the gun got damaged and couldn't be turned to fire on the last TIE Fighter and Finn wouldn't have been able to get to the other cannon before they sustained heavy damage or were blown up.

If shutting the door at the last moment counts as "Rey beats Hentai Monster". These aren't even comparable. Now you're grasping.

As you said, Luke doesn't fight Vader in ANH, so again, not comparable. Luke also has no known combat training before leaving Tattooine, while Rey learned to defend herself by herself on Jakku. Also, Kylo wasn't trying to kill her, what with him saying "You need a teacher. I could show you the ways of the Force." She only wins after opening herself up to the Force, just as Luke only wins when he blows up the Death Star by doing the same damn thing.

It's not like she got the idea from Kylo using the Force to get inside her head and she did the same thing when she fought back during that scene./s "Say, if the Force can be used to mess with someone's mind, maybe I can use that to escape!"

And Luke got off a one-in-a-million shot in ANH that killed hundreds of thousand, if not millions, of Imperial personnel. Your point?
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cjsdowg
09/08/19 3:06:17 AM
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Monferno_AQW posted...
Incorrect. BOTH were firing the guns while, IIRC, Chewie and Leia flew. Rey only "aimed" for Finn because the gun got damaged and couldn't be turned to fire on the last TIE Fighter and Finn wouldn't have been able to get to the other cannon before they sustained heavy damage or were blown up.


That doesn't change the fact that while flying, Rey literally aims for Finn. The story could not even let Finn shot down the bad himself. Rey gave him the perfect shot.

Both have experience in piloting. The difference is that Luke didn't have a ship available to him that could go off-world; Rey, however, knew of one available, even though it wasn't her first choice.


No they aren't. After some ace flying. Finn to Rey" How did you do that" Rey " I don't know "

Luke lives with his aunt and uncle who take care of him and protect him, along with a secret Jedi protector.
Rey lives by herself and has since she was about 5-ish and is shown having to fend for herself. Of course she beats the bandits who attempt to steal BB-8.


Yeah no, most people abandoned at 5 can not take out a group of thugs twice their size.


As has been shown, droids have different personalities. Another thing is Luke didn't save R2; Rey, however, saved BB-8 and allowed him to stay with her, therefore BB-8 trusts her.

Kind of proving her Mary Sueiness.

If shutting the door at the last moment counts as "Rey beats Hentai Monster". These aren't even comparable. Now you're grasping.


She she getting thrown around like Finn.. Nope.
Did she save Finn Yep.
She beat the Monster .
While we are speaking about Finn , she also beat him. He was taken at 5 just like her and literally trained.

It's not like she got the idea from Kylo using the Force to get inside her head and she did the same thing when she fought back during that scene./s "Say, if the Force can be used to mess with someone's mind, maybe I can use that to escape!"


Really you are suggesting reading someone mind is the same that as controlling people. The leaps that people will take to defend this character blows my mind.

As you said, Luke doesn't fight Vader in ANH, so again, not comparable.


Yes it is comparable. He was at such as bad state he would not been able to Win. Rey wins in the first movie , and the second movie.
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Monferno_AQW
09/08/19 5:15:53 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
That doesn't change the fact that while flying, Rey literally aims for Finn. The story could not even let Finn shot down the bad himself. Rey gave him the perfect shot.


So what? How does that qualify as her being a Mary Sue? It's simply stupid.

No they aren't. After some ace flying. Finn to Rey" How did you do that" Rey " I don't know "


Yes, they are, as has been shown in the fucking films themselves. This is further reinforced if you dig in to the comics, books, and other supplementary stuff. Luke was a great pilot in his T-16 Skyhopper, able to bulls-eye womp rats in it at 13. Rey found a Y-Wing that still had a working flight simulator that she learned from, and since then she's done some flying in actual ships. Still not a Mary Sue.

Yeah no, most people abandoned at 5 can not take out a group of thugs twice their size.


And yet, she did. She's had to survive for years by herself and was probably seen as weak and picked on by others during that time. It'd make sense if she learned how to fight on her own (and judging by some of the staff training she was shown doing on Ach-To before she switched to the lightsaber, she did). Still doesn't make her a Mary Sue.

Kind of proving her Mary Sueiness.


So a woman saving someone, anyone, makes her a Mary Sue? Fuck off.

She she getting thrown around like Finn.. Nope.
Did she save Finn Yep.
She beat the Monster .
While we are speaking about Finn , she also beat him. He was taken at 5 just like her and literally trained.


How, exactly, did she beat the rathtar? She released the damn thing herself to begin with. And as for Finn, he wasn't even trying to fight. He ran, she flanked, and smacked him with her staff. Still not a Mary Sue.

Really you are suggesting reading someone mind is the same that as controlling people. The leaps that people will take to defend this character blows my mind.


And the leaps and bounds folks like you go through to say she's a Mary Sue boggles the mind.

Yes it is comparable. He was at such as bad state he would not been able to Win. Rey wins in the first movie , and the second movie.


No they aren't, either. Again, Kylo wasn't trying to kill her (watch the fight between him and Rey; she's constantly on the run from him), and again, like Luke, she only won because she opened herself up to the Force. Addendum: Kylo took a shot to the side from Chewie's bowcaster and was bleeding out in the snow. And how did she beat him in the second film when they didn't even "fight"? They struggled over the lightsaber and broke it. But I suppose you mean "She regained consciousness before he did/didn't even get knocked out by the explosion, thus she's better, thus a Mary Sue!", right? /s And there's more: rewatch the fight between them and the guards. She struggled against one, while Kylo was holding his own against multiple guards at once. "Oh, but she saved him from the last one, so she's a Mary Sue!" Suuuure, and Han's a Marty Stu for saving Luke's life at the end of ANH. /s

Everything you've mentioned can be pulled apart. You have no arguements, no valid reasons, nothing. At this point, you're either blinded by your hatred of the character, or you're a troll.
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EternalDivide
09/08/19 6:19:52 AM
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The only thing Ep.IX is going to be, which is the only thing it can be. Is a desperate attempt to throw every piece of nostalgia they have left at the screen that wasn't already butchered by TLJ and hope for gold.

TLJ left the story with nowhere to go. So all this is will be trying to retcon TLJ in one way or the other. And the way I think they're going to do it is by saying it was Palpatine all along.
He controlled or was Snoke. Then give us the backstory as to how that was and thus who Snoke was.
He clouded Luke's mind with the dark side. Explaining away how Luke wasn't Luke and was a would be child murdering scared failure.
He was possessing Ben the whole time. Thus allowing he to be redeemed.
He was responsible for Rey. Either she's a clone, a relative or another virgin birth creation he made. She'll have a lineage and they'll say Kylo was just lying, parroting what she was thinking.
And all of this has been his long game plan since the prequel days.

It's so impossible stupid it has to be what they're going to do. So obviously thrown together for the purpose of trying to make sense of the garbage TLJ was and the nonexistent overall plot in this trilogy.
Think of the dumbest thing you can and that's probably what they're doing. Who gives a shit at this point.
I wouldn't put it past them to throw in time travel too. Make Rey go back and become the first ever Jedi or she hides out in the past becoming Shmi. Something monumentally stupid.
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IShall_Run_Amok
09/08/19 9:34:53 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Gross.


You don't think she is ?

I don't believe such a thing exists. It's complete nonsense.
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AlphaCuck
09/08/19 9:43:01 AM
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Every Star Wars movie is good
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iPhone_7
09/08/19 9:54:30 AM
#43:


If the leaks are true,

1. the ancient Sith dagger with writing on it and C-3PO getting his lens modified to decipher it

2. Both sides having a device called a wayfinder and racing to find Palpatine and/or Darth Vader (his dark side essence)

3. Rey being the granddaughter of Palpatine


It its any of those then the trilogy will have remained tarnished & episode 9 will forever reek of desperation.

And keep in mind the guy writing the script for Episode 9 is the same one who wrote the script for Batman V Superman & Justice League.

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Doom_Art
09/08/19 10:00:40 AM
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iPhone_7 posted...
episode 9 will forever reek of desperation.
I don't understand this

Snoke being Plaguies = good
Palpatine coming back = desperate

You people don't know what you want

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rexcrk
09/08/19 10:23:48 AM
#45:


Doom_Art posted...
iPhone_7 posted...
episode 9 will forever reek of desperation.

You people don't know what you want

This right here.
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These pretzels are making me thirsty!
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Monkhood
09/08/19 10:31:50 AM
#46:


When did anyone itt say anything about plagueis
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Highly offensive and illegal materiel.
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AlphaCuck
09/08/19 10:32:03 AM
#47:


Doom_Art posted...
You people don't know what you want


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CrestedTax
09/08/19 10:37:38 AM
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The Last Jedi was so bad I doubt they can fix the new trilogy.
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Solid Sonic
09/08/19 10:38:50 AM
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The fact it cant have the payoff with Leia already is a huge hurdle to clear.
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bluezero
09/08/19 10:40:06 AM
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au_gold posted...
No. The Last Jedi did irreparable damage to the franchise.

The best they can do is make it not shitty.

And they won't. But I'll still see it because Star Wars.
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