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mattnd2007 09/08/19 10:05:49 AM #51:	EzeDoesIt posted... Ok so we should probably go ahead and arrest everyone, right? Just in case. Exactly. That was a stupid post. We better arrest his whole family. They might do something bad in the future. Don't forget Grandma --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:927143230] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>EzeDoesIt posted... </cite> <quote>Ok so we should probably go ahead and arrest everyone, right? Just in case.</quote>Exactly. That was a stupid post. We better arrest his whole family. They might do something bad in the future. Don't forget Grandma </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Number090684 09/08/19 10:09:30 AM #52:	LightningAce11 posted... America doesn't care about rehabilitation, or justice. Just how much they can get money through exploiting others. --- US N Switch "Number" FC SW-3804-3177-9797 US PS3 / PS4 / PS Vita PSN: Number090684 <cite>Number090684 posted [p:927143316] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>America doesn't care about rehabilitation, or justice. Just how much they can get money through exploiting others.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 09/08/19 10:15:47 AM #53:	normal fucking country imagine going to jail over a jacket, period, let alone in there for life --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:927143500] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>normal fucking country imagine going to jail over a jacket, period, let alone in there for life</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 09/08/19 10:18:47 AM #54:	What bullshit. He's not in prison for life over stealing a jacket, he's in there for life because of a stack of felonies. The jacket arrest was merely the straw that broke the camels back. Fairest of the nexts --- Oda break tracker 2019- 6 (4) \| THE Ohio State: 0-0 \| Oakland Raiders: 0-0 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:927143608] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>What bullshit. He's not in prison for life over stealing a jacket, he's in there for life because of a stack of felonies. The jacket arrest was merely the straw that broke the camels back. Fairest of the nexts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 09/08/19 10:20:16 AM #55:	Led-Zeppelin posted... lmao no, what a brazen lie from a shitty article. there are absolutely victims in a theft such as this. not to mention they left out a ton of info to try to make you feel sorry for this guy. fuck that tho, repeat criminals such as this one can get fucked Who are the victims in this shop lifting case that would be hurt by him having an interview ? --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:927143644] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>Led-Zeppelin posted...</cite> <quote>lmao no, what a brazen lie from a shitty article. there are absolutely victims in a theft such as this. not to mention they left out a ton of info to try to make you feel sorry for this guy. fuck that tho, repeat criminals such as this one can get fucked</quote> Who are the victims in this shop lifting case that would be hurt by him having an interview ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 09/08/19 10:20:42 AM #56:	America has more prisoners than China, and attitudes like the ones expressed ITT are why. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:927143656] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>America has more prisoners than China, and attitudes like the ones expressed ITT are why.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SauI_Goodman 09/08/19 10:21:58 AM #57:	He shoulda just went to walmart and tried it. he would have either a) gotten away with it b) if he was stopped he could have just dropped the item and then walked out or c) if he was detained by A/P the cops very likely never would have shown up as they usually don't for petty theft and walmart would just have 86'ed him. --- Currently playing: The Division 2 (ps4), Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (xbox 360) <cite>SauI_Goodman posted [p:927143681] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>He shoulda just went to walmart and tried it. he would have either a) gotten away with it b) if he was stopped he could have just dropped the item and then walked out or c) if he was detained by A/P the cops very likely never would have shown up as they usually don't for petty theft and walmart would just have 86'ed him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 09/08/19 10:22:38 AM #58:	some people in America love the idea of permanently locking people up over non violent cases --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:927143706] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>some people in America love the idea of permanently locking people up over non violent cases</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 09/08/19 10:22:45 AM #59:	PrettyBoyFloyd posted... If they had been light on the guy and if he committed a more serious crime down the road like murder or something then people would be like "this guy should have been locked up years ago". Naws most people don't go from taking a jacket to the murder. Hell Trump has broken more laws than this dude. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:927143710] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>PrettyBoyFloyd posted...</cite> <quote>If they had been light on the guy and if he committed a more serious crime down the road like murder or something then people would be like "this guy should have been locked up years ago".</quote> Naws most people don't go from taking a jacket to the murder. Hell Trump has broken more laws than this dude.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BilalPowell 09/08/19 10:22:56 AM #60:	If you're gonna just continue to steal after being given multiple chances maybe lifetime in prison is the right decision. Anything else is promoting more crime. --- Former #1 Birmingham Iron Fan. RIP AAF <cite>BilalPowell posted [p:927143718] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>If you're gonna just continue to steal after being given multiple chances maybe lifetime in prison is the right decision. Anything else is promoting more crime.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 09/08/19 10:23:26 AM #61:	Should one be able to continuously cycle in and out of jail just because they're not violent? There is a point where you're never coming back out if you continuously try to cheat the system. <cite>nemu posted [p:927143730] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>Should one be able to continuously cycle in and out of jail just because they're not violent? There is a point where you're never coming back out if you continuously try to cheat the system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cjsdowg 09/08/19 10:24:21 AM #63:	BilalPowell posted... If you're gonna just continue to steal after being given multiple chances maybe lifetime in prison is the right decision. Anything else is promoting more crime. So like I said to someone else, if you have gone over the speed limit more then 3 times. Life in Prison for you too ? --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:927143754] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>BilalPowell posted...</cite> <quote>If you're gonna just continue to steal after being given multiple chances maybe lifetime in prison is the right decision. Anything else is promoting more crime.</quote> So like I said to someone else, if you have gone over the speed limit more then 3 times. Life in Prison for you too ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 09/08/19 10:25:39 AM #64:	BilalPowell posted... If you're gonna just continue to steal after being given multiple chances maybe lifetime in prison is the right decision. Anything else is promoting more crime. Life imprisonment is not a just punishment for stealing, or any non violent crime really. Regardless of how you look at it. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:927143785] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote><cite>BilalPowell posted...</cite> <quote>If you're gonna just continue to steal after being given multiple chances maybe lifetime in prison is the right decision. Anything else is promoting more crime.</quote> Life imprisonment is not a just punishment for stealing, or any non violent crime really. Regardless of how you look at it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrankGoreHOF 09/08/19 10:26:08 AM #65:	Definition of cruel and unusual, with clearly no intent at rehab or correction. How has no governor pardoned this --- #FrankGoreHOF <cite>FrankGoreHOF posted [p:927143793] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>Definition of cruel and unusual, with clearly no intent at rehab or correction. How has no governor pardoned this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 09/08/19 10:27:25 AM #66:	IMO the best approach to habitual offenders would be to enforce a life sentence with a low parole cap (like life in prison with parole possible at 7 years). Really drive home that you have clearly demonstrated difficulty living in civil society and it is possible for you to die in prison if you dont change. The sentence can extend for natural life but it doesnt HAVE to if that message is made clear and real progress is accomplished. Habitual offender sentence escalation is important (sentencing guidelines need to take into account that some people simply do not want to be better people and that prison is just necessary to prevent their actions from harming law-abiding citizens) but there should also be a way out to demonstrate shit is serious now. --- "Imagine a world where hypothetical situations didn't exist..." <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:927143831] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>IMO the best approach to habitual offenders would be to enforce a life sentence with a low parole cap (like life in prison with parole possible at 7 years). Really drive home that you have clearly demonstrated difficulty living in civil society and it is possible for you to die in prison if you dont change. The sentence can extend for natural life but it doesnt HAVE to if that message is made clear and real progress is accomplished. Habitual offender sentence escalation is important (sentencing guidelines need to take into account that some people simply do not want to be better people and that prison is just necessary to prevent their actions from harming law-abiding citizens) but there should also be a way out to demonstrate shit is serious now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 09/08/19 10:27:54 AM #67:	It's disingenuous to say he has a life sentence over a jacket --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:927143845] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>It's disingenuous to say he has a life sentence over a jacket</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 09/08/19 10:28:14 AM #68:	BilalPowell posted... If you're gonna just continue to steal after being given multiple chances maybe lifetime in prison is the right decision. Anything else is promoting more crime. a persons life is worth a few hundred dollars of property? amazin' --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:927143856] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>BilalPowell posted...</cite> <quote>If you're gonna just continue to steal after being given multiple chances maybe lifetime in prison is the right decision. Anything else is promoting more crime.</quote> a persons life is worth a few hundred dollars of property? amazin'</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrankGoreHOF 09/08/19 10:28:50 AM #69:	Solid Sonic posted... IMO the best approach to habitual offenders would be to enforce a life sentence with a low parole cap (like life in prison with parole possible at 7 years). Really drive home that you have clearly demonstrated difficulty living in civil society and it is possible for you to die in prison if you dont change. The sentence can extend for natural life but it doesnt HAVE to if that message is made clear and real progress is accomplished. Habitual offender sentence escalation is important but there should also be a way out to demonstrate shit is serious now. Studies have proven that the severity of punishments dont deter crime though --- #FrankGoreHOF <cite>FrankGoreHOF posted [p:927143867] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>Solid Sonic posted...</cite> <quote>IMO the best approach to habitual offenders would be to enforce a life sentence with a low parole cap (like life in prison with parole possible at 7 years). Really drive home that you have clearly demonstrated difficulty living in civil society and it is possible for you to die in prison if you dont change. The sentence can extend for natural life but it doesnt HAVE to if that message is made clear and real progress is accomplished. Habitual offender sentence escalation is important but there should also be a way out to demonstrate shit is serious now.</quote> Studies have proven that the severity of punishments dont deter crime though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 09/08/19 10:30:03 AM #70:	FrankGoreHOF posted... Solid Sonic posted... IMO the best approach to habitual offenders would be to enforce a life sentence with a low parole cap (like life in prison with parole possible at 7 years). Really drive home that you have clearly demonstrated difficulty living in civil society and it is possible for you to die in prison if you dont change. The sentence can extend for natural life but it doesnt HAVE to if that message is made clear and real progress is accomplished. Habitual offender sentence escalation is important but there should also be a way out to demonstrate shit is serious now. Studies have proven that the severity of punishments dont deter crime though Thats a non-answer. The only thing I get from that is crime is just a fact of life, get used to it. --- "Imagine a world where hypothetical situations didn't exist..." <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:927143899] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>FrankGoreHOF posted...</cite> <quote>Solid Sonic posted...</cite> <quote>IMO the best approach to habitual offenders would be to enforce a life sentence with a low parole cap (like life in prison with parole possible at 7 years). Really drive home that you have clearly demonstrated difficulty living in civil society and it is possible for you to die in prison if you dont change. The sentence can extend for natural life but it doesnt HAVE to if that message is made clear and real progress is accomplished. Habitual offender sentence escalation is important but there should also be a way out to demonstrate shit is serious now.</quote> Studies have proven that the severity of punishments dont deter crime though</quote> Thats a non-answer. The only thing I get from that is crime is just a fact of life, get used to it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 09/08/19 10:30:09 AM #71:	cjsdowg posted... BilalPowell posted... If you're gonna just continue to steal after being given multiple chances maybe lifetime in prison is the right decision. Anything else is promoting more crime. So like I said to someone else, if you have gone over the speed limit more then 3 times. Life in Prison for you too ? You're comparing civil infractions with felonies, not even close to the same thing. However, repeatedly breaking civil laws will still result in a loss of license after so many, sometimes even jail too. So even on a smaller scale civil infractions work the same way, it's just that the stakes are lower. --- Oda break tracker 2019- 6 (4) \| THE Ohio State: 0-0 \| Oakland Raiders: 0-0 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:927143903] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote>BilalPowell posted...</cite> <quote>If you're gonna just continue to steal after being given multiple chances maybe lifetime in prison is the right decision. Anything else is promoting more crime.</quote> So like I said to someone else, if you have gone over the speed limit more then 3 times. Life in Prison for you too ?</quote> You're comparing civil infractions with felonies, not even close to the same thing. However, repeatedly breaking civil laws will still result in a loss of license after so many, sometimes even jail too. So even on a smaller scale civil infractions work the same way, it's just that the stakes are lower.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 09/08/19 10:31:29 AM #72:	voldothegr8 posted... cjsdowg posted... BilalPowell posted... If you're gonna just continue to steal after being given multiple chances maybe lifetime in prison is the right decision. Anything else is promoting more crime. So like I said to someone else, if you have gone over the speed limit more then 3 times. Life in Prison for you too ? You're comparing civil infractions with felonies, not even close to the same thing. However, repeatedly breaking civil laws will still result in a loss of license after so many, sometimes even jail too. So even on a smaller scale civil infractions work the same way, it's just that the stakes are lower. Stealing a $159 jacket isn't a felony. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:927143940] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote> BilalPowell posted...</cite> <quote> If you're gonna just continue to steal after being given multiple chances maybe lifetime in prison is the right decision. Anything else is promoting more crime. </quote> So like I said to someone else, if you have gone over the speed limit more then 3 times. Life in Prison for you too ?</quote> You're comparing civil infractions with felonies, not even close to the same thing. However, repeatedly breaking civil laws will still result in a loss of license after so many, sometimes even jail too. So even on a smaller scale civil infractions work the same way, it's just that the stakes are lower.</quote> Stealing a $159 jacket isn't a felony.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrankGoreHOF 09/08/19 10:33:02 AM #73:	Solid Sonic posted... FrankGoreHOF posted... Solid Sonic posted... IMO the best approach to habitual offenders would be to enforce a life sentence with a low parole cap (like life in prison with parole possible at 7 years). Really drive home that you have clearly demonstrated difficulty living in civil society and it is possible for you to die in prison if you dont change. The sentence can extend for natural life but it doesnt HAVE to if that message is made clear and real progress is accomplished. Habitual offender sentence escalation is important but there should also be a way out to demonstrate shit is serious now. Studies have proven that the severity of punishments dont deter crime though Thats a non-answer. The only thing I get from that is crime is just a fact of life, get used to it. No, that's a large leap. My point is to keep trying, because your current idea wouldn't work --- #FrankGoreHOF <cite>FrankGoreHOF posted [p:927143994] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>Solid Sonic posted...</cite> <quote>FrankGoreHOF posted...</cite> <quote>Solid Sonic posted...</cite> <quote>IMO the best approach to habitual offenders would be to enforce a life sentence with a low parole cap (like life in prison with parole possible at 7 years). Really drive home that you have clearly demonstrated difficulty living in civil society and it is possible for you to die in prison if you dont change. The sentence can extend for natural life but it doesnt HAVE to if that message is made clear and real progress is accomplished. Habitual offender sentence escalation is important but there should also be a way out to demonstrate shit is serious now.</quote> Studies have proven that the severity of punishments dont deter crime though</quote> Thats a non-answer. The only thing I get from that is crime is just a fact of life, get used to it.</quote> No, that's a large leap. My point is to keep trying, because your current idea wouldn't work</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 09/08/19 10:35:46 AM #74:	Solid Sonic posted... Thats a non-answer. The only thing I get from that is crime is just a fact of life, get used to it. What you should have gotten from it is that your proposed solution won't do anything to prevent it. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:927144070] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>Solid Sonic posted...</cite> <quote>Thats a non-answer. The only thing I get from that is crime is just a fact of life, get used to it. </quote> What you should have gotten from it is that your proposed solution won't do anything to prevent it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 09/08/19 10:36:14 AM #75:	I dont care about justice, I care about punishing people. --- "Imagine a world where hypothetical situations didn't exist..." <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:927144090] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>I dont care about justice, I care about punishing people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 09/08/19 10:36:55 AM #76:	Solid Sonic posted... I dont care about justice, I care about punishing people. And this is why that "real progress" you remarked on earlier continues to not be a feasible goal under current sentencing schemes. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:927144112] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>Solid Sonic posted...</cite> <quote>I dont care about justice, I care about punishing people.</quote> And this is why that "real progress" you remarked on earlier continues to not be a feasible goal under current sentencing schemes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EzeDoesIt 09/08/19 10:37:07 AM #77:	ThyCorndog posted... BilalPowell posted... If you're gonna just continue to steal after being given multiple chances maybe lifetime in prison is the right decision. Anything else is promoting more crime. a persons life is worth a few hundred dollars of property? amazin' Perfect comment. Only someone with a brain like Jesse Lee Peterson would honestly believe this is a just punishment. --- Not changing this sig. <cite>EzeDoesIt posted [p:927144118] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>BilalPowell posted...</cite> <quote>If you're gonna just continue to steal after being given multiple chances maybe lifetime in prison is the right decision. Anything else is promoting more crime.</quote> a persons life is worth a few hundred dollars of property? amazin'</quote> Perfect comment. Only someone with a brain like Jesse Lee Peterson would honestly believe this is a just punishment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BilalPowell 09/08/19 10:38:26 AM #78:	If they need to steal to survive they're probably better off in prison. All their basic necessities are provided. Food, healthcare, education... --- Former #1 Birmingham Iron Fan. RIP AAF <cite>BilalPowell posted [p:927144159] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>If they need to steal to survive they're probably better off in prison. All their basic necessities are provided. Food, healthcare, education...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 09/08/19 10:40:36 AM #79:	Solid Sonic posted... I dont care about justice, I care about punishing people. Sad that people actually think this way. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:927144218] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Sonic posted...</cite> <quote>I dont care about justice, I care about punishing people.</quote> Sad that people actually think this way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 09/08/19 10:41:57 AM #80:	Donald Trump has probably stolen more money from his employees than this guy has: https://gothamist.com/news/trump-is-being-sued-for-stolen-wages-by-a-former-catering-employee According to the lawsuit filed in Suffolk County Supreme Court, where the plaintiff, Deborah Garcia, lives, the hotel charged a 22 percent service fee for catered events, which customers likely assumed was gratuity. That fee never made it to the caterers: Garcia made $15 an hour, but never received any of her tips. "A reasonable customer would believe that the Service Charge was in fact a gratuity for [Garcia] and similarly situated employees," the suit says. "[The] defendants have engaged in a policy and practice of failing to pay the Service Charge...and instead retained the money for their own benefit." State law dictates that an employer has to clearly indicate when such a fee isn't meant as a stand-in for gratuity, but Garcia's employers allegedly did no such thing. New York's labor law also forbids employers from pocketing employees' tips, and notes that unless clearly indicated otherwise, a service charge is presumed to be a tip. Conveniently, Trump SoHo subcontracts out for its catering staff, according to a statement from its PR firm; as such, it's not the direct target of Garcia's lawsuit. Rather, the suit names a laundry list of LLCs associated with Alex and Tamir Sapir, the billionaire developers who lost the hotel to foreclosure in 2014. Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump, Jr., along with their father, are due in court on September 1st. https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-tower-was-built-on-undocumented-polish-immigrants-backs The use of undocumented workers on a Trump construction site such as the hotel described by The Washington Post this week is certainly nothing new. Thirty-five years ago, a small army of illegal immigrants was used to clear the site for what became the crown jewel of Donald Trumps empire. The 200 demolition workersnicknamed the Polish Brigade because of their home countryworked 12-hour shifts, seven days a week with no overtime to knock down the old Bonwit Teller building and make room for Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. According to testimony in a protracted civil suit in federal court, the laborers were paid $5 an hour or less when they were paid at all. Some went unpaid after the contractor had financial troubles. A few never received even the paltry sum that was owed them for their dirty and hazardous efforts preceding the construction of Trumps monument to his own wealth. They were undocumented and worked off the books, Manhattan federal Judge Charles Stewart said of the workers after they became the subject of a 1983 lawsuit. No records were kept, no Social Security or other taxes were withheld. ... The judge found against Trump, his partner, and the contractor, saying they had joined in a conspiracy. Stewart found that Trumps man on the scene, Thomas Macari, was involved in every aspect of the demolition job. He knew the Polish workers were working off the books, that they were doing demolition work, that they were non-union, that they were paid substandard wages with no overtime pay, and that they were paid irregularly if at all, the judge found. Stewart suggested that it would have been difficult for anyone not to notice the Polish Brigade. The Polish workers were obvious not only in numbers but also in appearance, the judge found. In contrast to the union workers, the nonunion Polish workers were distinguished by the fact that most of them did not wear hard hats. Let's stop pretending this is a justice system. --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:927144256] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>Donald Trump has probably stolen more money from his employees than this guy has: https://gothamist.com/news/trump-is-being-sued-for-stolen-wages-by-a-former-catering-employee <quote>According to the lawsuit filed in Suffolk County Supreme Court, where the plaintiff, Deborah Garcia, lives, the hotel charged a 22 percent service fee for catered events, which customers likely assumed was gratuity. That fee never made it to the caterers: Garcia made $15 an hour, but never received any of her tips. "A reasonable customer would believe that the Service Charge was in fact a gratuity for [Garcia] and similarly situated employees," the suit says. "[The] defendants have engaged in a policy and practice of failing to pay the Service Charge...and instead retained the money for their own benefit." State law dictates that an employer has to clearly indicate when such a fee isn't meant as a stand-in for gratuity, but Garcia's employers allegedly did no such thing. New York's labor law also forbids employers from pocketing employees' tips, and notes that unless clearly indicated otherwise, a service charge is presumed to be a tip. Conveniently, Trump SoHo subcontracts out for its catering staff, according to a statement from its PR firm; as such, it's not the direct target of Garcia's lawsuit. Rather, the suit names a laundry list of LLCs associated with Alex and Tamir Sapir, the billionaire developers who lost the hotel to foreclosure in 2014. Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump, Jr., along with their father, are due in court on September 1st.</quote> https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-tower-was-built-on-undocumented-polish-immigrants-backs <quote>The use of undocumented workers on a Trump construction site such as the hotel described by The Washington Post this week is certainly nothing new. Thirty-five years ago, a small army of illegal immigrants was used to clear the site for what became the crown jewel of Donald Trumps empire. The 200 demolition workersnicknamed the Polish Brigade because of their home countryworked 12-hour shifts, seven days a week with no overtime to knock down the old Bonwit Teller building and make room for Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. According to testimony in a protracted civil suit in federal court, the laborers were paid $5 an hour or less when they were paid at all. Some went unpaid after the contractor had financial troubles. A few never received even the paltry sum that was owed them for their dirty and hazardous efforts preceding the construction of Trumps monument to his own wealth. They were undocumented and worked off the books, Manhattan federal Judge Charles Stewart said of the workers after they became the subject of a 1983 lawsuit. No records were kept, no Social Security or other taxes were withheld. ... The judge found against Trump, his partner, and the contractor, saying they had joined in a conspiracy. Stewart found that Trumps man on the scene, Thomas Macari, was involved in every aspect of the demolition job. He knew the Polish workers were working off the books, that they were doing demolition work, that they were non-union, that they were paid substandard wages with no overtime pay, and that they were paid irregularly if at all, the judge found. Stewart suggested that it would have been difficult for anyone not to notice the Polish Brigade. The Polish workers were obvious not only in numbers but also in appearance, the judge found. In contrast to the union workers, the nonunion Polish workers were distinguished by the fact that most of them did not wear hard hats.</quote> Let's stop pretending this is a justice system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tsuyoi3 09/08/19 10:51:54 AM #81:	Although his attitude while stealing was indicative of his personality being crap, this is just not right. --- Manliness transcends both space, and time. <cite>Tsuyoi3 posted [p:927144533] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>Although his attitude while stealing was indicative of his personality being crap, this is just not right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rebel_Patriot 09/08/19 10:56:46 AM #84:	Jerry_Hellyeah posted... SH_expert44 posted... wasnt it his 4th felony offense or something? How is this not in the srticle? Cause they have a America is bad narrative. Its why the term fake news has gained a lot of traction. --- Horses?! We can't afford t'lose no horses! <cite>Rebel_Patriot posted [p:927144656] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>Jerry_Hellyeah posted...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted...</cite> <quote>wasnt it his 4th felony offense or something?</quote> How is this not in the srticle?</quote> Cause they have a America is bad narrative. Its why the term fake news has gained a lot of traction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheFunkBible 09/08/19 11:29:25 AM #86:	you say its cruel, unjust or whatever but nothing has ever been stolen in louisiana since. the system works --- unbearable <cite>TheFunkBible posted [p:927145618] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>you say its cruel, unjust or whatever but nothing has ever been stolen in louisiana since. the system works</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BilalPowell 09/08/19 11:30:33 AM #87:	Can't steal from prison --- Former #1 Birmingham Iron Fan. RIP AAF <cite>BilalPowell posted [p:927145659] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>Can't steal from prison</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShroomKingJr 09/08/19 11:34:18 AM #88:	It is funny how a lot of people in this topic are whining about excessive punishment but those same people would gladly beat the shit out of someone for wearing a MAGA hat. --- Do your part, report immigration violations below. https://www.ice.gov/webform/hsi-tip-form <cite>ShroomKingJr posted [p:927145758] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>It is funny how a lot of people in this topic are whining about excessive punishment but those same people would gladly beat the shit out of someone for wearing a MAGA hat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EzeDoesIt 09/08/19 11:35:07 AM #89:	TheFunkBible posted... you say its cruel, unjust or whatever but nothing has ever been stolen in louisiana since. the system works lol --- Not changing this sig. <cite>EzeDoesIt posted [p:927145779] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>TheFunkBible posted...</cite> <quote>you say its cruel, unjust or whatever but nothing has ever been stolen in louisiana since. the system works</quote> lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlockAddition 09/08/19 11:38:41 AM #90:	Keith_Valentine posted... Youve probably never even been arrested toughguy.jpg --- hi <cite>BlockAddition posted [p:927145873] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>Keith_Valentine posted...</cite> <quote> Youve probably never even been arrested</quote> toughguy.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RaulJenkins 09/08/19 11:41:08 AM #91:	holy fuck this topic is a gold mine of hilarity --- Raul <cite>RaulJenkins posted [p:927145954] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>holy fuck this topic is a gold mine of hilarity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tropicalwood 09/08/19 11:44:02 AM #92:	I appalled how most of the thread is just ignoring the fact that he's a repeat offender that didn't learn his lesson the first three times. --- ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya <cite>Tropicalwood posted [p:927146045] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>I appalled how most of the thread is just ignoring the fact that he's a repeat offender that didn't learn his lesson the first three times.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 09/08/19 11:46:16 AM #93:	Tropicalwood posted... I appalled how most of the thread is just ignoring the fact that he's a repeat offender that didn't learn his lesson the first three times. so permanent imprisonment for a non serious crime being repeated? --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:927146113] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>Tropicalwood posted...</cite> <quote>I appalled how most of the thread is just ignoring the fact that he's a repeat offender that didn't learn his lesson the first three times.</quote> so permanent imprisonment for a non serious crime being repeated?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tropicalwood 09/08/19 11:51:15 AM #94:	ThyCorndog posted... Tropicalwood posted... I appalled how most of the thread is just ignoring the fact that he's a repeat offender that didn't learn his lesson the first three times. so permanent imprisonment for a non serious crime being repeated? If he didn't learn his lesson the last three times he isn't going to learn it period. --- ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya <cite>Tropicalwood posted [p:927146290] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>Tropicalwood posted...</cite> <quote>I appalled how most of the thread is just ignoring the fact that he's a repeat offender that didn't learn his lesson the first three times.</quote> so permanent imprisonment for a non serious crime being repeated?</quote> If he didn't learn his lesson the last three times he isn't going to learn it period.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaoticKnuckles 09/08/19 11:51:51 AM #95:	SH_expert44 posted... wasnt it his 4th felony offense or something? Shoplifting is a felony? --- You look EXTREMELY immature when you announce that you're about to ignore someone. No one cares, including the person about to be ignored. Just FYI. <cite>ChaoticKnuckles posted [p:927146317] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted...</cite> <quote>wasnt it his 4th felony offense or something?</quote> Shoplifting is a felony?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 09/08/19 11:52:59 AM #96:	Tropicalwood posted... ThyCorndog posted... Tropicalwood posted... I appalled how most of the thread is just ignoring the fact that he's a repeat offender that didn't learn his lesson the first three times. so permanent imprisonment for a non serious crime being repeated? If he didn't learn his lesson the last three times he isn't going to learn it period. so, again... locking him away forever over minor theft is the solution? --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:927146352] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>Tropicalwood posted...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>Tropicalwood posted...</cite> <quote>I appalled how most of the thread is just ignoring the fact that he's a repeat offender that didn't learn his lesson the first three times.</quote> so permanent imprisonment for a non serious crime being repeated?</quote> If he didn't learn his lesson the last three times he isn't going to learn it period.</quote> so, again... locking him away forever over minor theft is the solution?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 09/08/19 11:55:33 AM #97:	ChaoticKnuckles posted... Shoplifting is a felony? Apparently in this case it is --- https://i.imgtc.ws/MAd5hwq.gif <cite>Middle hope posted [p:927146430] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>ChaoticKnuckles posted... </cite> <quote>Shoplifting is a felony?</quote>Apparently in this case it is </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tropicalwood 09/08/19 11:56:38 AM #98:	ThyCorndog posted... Tropicalwood posted... ThyCorndog posted... Tropicalwood posted... I appalled how most of the thread is just ignoring the fact that he's a repeat offender that didn't learn his lesson the first three times. so permanent imprisonment for a non serious crime being repeated? If he didn't learn his lesson the last three times he isn't going to learn it period. so, again... locking him away forever over minor theft is the solution? Wasn't a minor theft, it was a felony, his fourth in fact. The police will lock you up for victim-less crimes so why should a crime involving actual victims be treated less-seriously. --- ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya <cite>Tropicalwood posted [p:927146467] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>Tropicalwood posted...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>Tropicalwood posted...</cite> <quote>I appalled how most of the thread is just ignoring the fact that he's a repeat offender that didn't learn his lesson the first three times.</quote> so permanent imprisonment for a non serious crime being repeated?</quote> If he didn't learn his lesson the last three times he isn't going to learn it period.</quote> so, again... locking him away forever over minor theft is the solution?</quote> Wasn't a minor theft, it was a felony, his fourth in fact. The police will lock you up for victim-less crimes so why should a crime involving actual victims be treated less-seriously.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Serious Cat 09/08/19 12:00:08 PM #101:	ChaoticKnuckles posted... SH_expert44 posted... wasnt it his 4th felony offense or something? Shoplifting is a felony? It is when it's a repeat offense. It would have been a misdemeanor otherwise. --- I are Serious Cat This is serious thread <cite>Serious Cat posted [p:927146562] in Life witho... [t:77997051]...</cite> <quote>ChaoticKnuckles posted...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted...</cite> <quote>wasnt it his 4th felony offense or something?</quote> Shoplifting is a felony?</quote> It is when it's a repeat offense. It would have been a misdemeanor otherwise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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