Poll of the Day > do you vape? will the ban affect your habit at all?

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Aculo 09/13/19 1:56:01 PM #1:	i lightly vape at night, but i'm thinking now is a good time to give it up, ok? what about you all? --- ok? <cite>Aculo posted [p:927388449] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>i lightly vape at night, but i'm thinking now is a good time to give it up, ok? what about you all?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PKMNsony 09/13/19 1:59:26 PM #2:	I'm on and off, it'll most likely change my habit if I can no longer get juice. <cite>PKMNsony posted [p:927388599] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>I'm on and off, it'll most likely change my habit if I can no longer get juice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CTLM 09/13/19 2:04:29 PM #3:	Never vaped. Thought it was/is stupid. Gave up smoking 9 years ago so I would won't start again <cite>CTLM posted [p:927388822] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Never vaped. Thought it was/is stupid. Gave up smoking 9 years ago so I would won't start again </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 09/13/19 2:07:11 PM #4:	Nicotine, never. Anything with added flavors or other additives, no. --- I'd rather die helping others survive than be all alone, UNSCATHED, after all others have fallen -DEC <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:927388934] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Nicotine, never. Anything with added flavors or other additives, no.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9 09/13/19 2:09:57 PM #5:	I quit a two pack a day smoking habit by vaping. Now I'm addicted to vaping, so yeah this is going to suck. This ban is utterly pointless with no reasonable justification. Why ban all flavors except tobacco, Trump? --- https://imgur.com/NkZUeFd <cite>kind9 posted [p:927389054] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>I quit a two pack a day smoking habit by vaping. Now I'm addicted to vaping, so yeah this is going to suck. This ban is utterly pointless with no reasonable justification. Why ban all flavors except tobacco, Trump?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 09/13/19 2:11:48 PM #6:	kind9 posted... I quit a two pack a day smoking habit by vaping. Now I'm addicted to vaping, so yeah this is going to suck. This ban is utterly pointless with no reasonable justification. Why ban all flavors except tobacco, Trump? trump is mentally handicapped --- I'm thinkin' about starting a corporation. WHO'S WITH ME? <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:927389142] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>kind9 posted... </cite> <quote>I quit a two pack a day smoking habit by vaping. Now I'm addicted to vaping, so yeah this is going to suck. This ban is utterly pointless with no reasonable justification. Why ban all flavors except tobacco, Trump?</quote>trump is mentally handicapped </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aculo 09/13/19 2:13:41 PM #7:	kind9 posted... Why ban all flavors except tobacco, Trump? the funny thing is tobacco flavor is still a flavor additive, and is no less dangerous than all the other flavors he's banning, ok? --- ok? <cite>Aculo posted [p:927389223] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>kind9 posted...</cite> <quote>Why ban all flavors except tobacco, Trump?</quote> the funny thing is tobacco flavor is still a flavor additive, and is no less dangerous than all the other flavors he's banning, ok?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9 09/13/19 2:19:16 PM #8:	No telling what Trump actually believes, but his position is that it may discourage kids from taking up vaping. It seems reasonable to assume that he's buddied up with big tobacco because this royally fucks over the competition, not to mention the adults who vape for various reasons. --- https://imgur.com/NkZUeFd <cite>kind9 posted [p:927389469] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>No telling what Trump actually believes, but his position is that it may discourage kids from taking up vaping. It seems reasonable to assume that he's buddied up with big tobacco because this royally fucks over the competition, not to mention the adults who vape for various reasons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
peanutt121 09/13/19 6:39:39 PM #9:	kind9 posted... No telling what Trump actually believes, but his position is that it may discourage kids from taking up vaping. It seems reasonable to assume that he's buddied up with big tobacco because this royally fucks over the competition, not to mention the adults who vape for various reasons. Pretty much right on target ^. Any one like me who saw this coming years ago and makes their own juice won't really be affected. I've stocked up on all the things he can ban. You can't ban most of the ingredients and parts for the mods as they have too many uses in too many other things. His ban won't stop any of the lung damage or deaths that happened because most of it, if not all, was illegal drugs bought off the street mixed into vape tanks of various kinds. Darwin in action. I do forget mine sometimes like when going out shopping and it has no effect on me so I know I won't have a problem even if he goes full dictatorship on this issue. --- A proud companion to some great dogs Peanutt, Merlynn, and Destiny https://i.imgtc.ws/sTBV5eB.jpg \| https://i.imgtc.ws/mtl1lJl.jpg <cite>peanutt121 posted [p:927400418] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>kind9 posted...</cite> <quote>No telling what Trump actually believes, but his position is that it may discourage kids from taking up vaping. It seems reasonable to assume that he's buddied up with big tobacco because this royally fucks over the competition, not to mention the adults who vape for various reasons.</quote> Pretty much right on target ^. Any one like me who saw this coming years ago and makes their own juice won't really be affected. I've stocked up on all the things he can ban. You can't ban most of the ingredients and parts for the mods as they have too many uses in too many other things. His ban won't stop any of the lung damage or deaths that happened because most of it, if not all, was illegal drugs bought off the street mixed into vape tanks of various kinds. Darwin in action. I do forget mine sometimes like when going out shopping and it has no effect on me so I know I won't have a problem even if he goes full dictatorship on this issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboXgp89 09/14/19 12:16:45 AM #10:	yeah people will make their own juices and as a result there will be even more black market stuff --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WErq2CBYTU <cite>RoboXgp89 posted [p:927412241] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>yeah people will make their own juices and as a result there will be even more black market stuff</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Keebs05 09/14/19 12:20:25 AM #11:	Never vaped a day in my life but the fact that the government wants to ban it makes me want to try it. --- "Old soldiers never die, they just fade away" R.I.P PFC Dusty Seidel <cite>Keebs05 posted [p:927412367] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Never vaped a day in my life but the fact that the government wants to ban it makes me want to try it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fishy071 09/14/19 12:21:57 AM #12:	I've never vaped, and am not interested, so the ban won't affect me. --- "You don't need a reason to help people." (Zidane Tribal of FFIX) <cite>fishy071 posted [p:927412417] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>I've never vaped, and am not interested, so the ban won't affect me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/14/19 3:36:59 AM #13:	How in the literal fuck is this country gonna seriously ban vapes while doing nothing about guns One of these things results in thousands and thousands of deaths each year and the other has resulted in 6 --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:927416692] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>How in the literal fuck is this country gonna seriously ban vapes while doing nothing about guns One of these things results in thousands and thousands of deaths each year and the other has resulted in 6 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 09/14/19 9:05:31 AM #14:	Mead posted... How in the literal fuck is this country gonna seriously ban vapes while doing nothing about guns One of these things results in thousands and thousands of deaths each year and the other has resulted in 6 Kinda different things, but the real question is how it bans vapes but not cigerettes lol. --- Zangulus "I try to avoid having any knowledge at all of his dick." <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:927421584] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>How in the literal fuck is this country gonna seriously ban vapes while doing nothing about guns One of these things results in thousands and thousands of deaths each year and the other has resulted in 6 </quote> Kinda different things, but the real question is how it bans vapes but not cigerettes lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9 09/14/19 9:17:14 AM #15:	Mead posted... How in the literal fuck is this country gonna seriously ban vapes while doing nothing about guns One of these things results in thousands and thousands of deaths each year and the other has resulted in 6 And those six deaths have been linked to black market THC products, not regular nicotine e-juice. --- https://imgur.com/NkZUeFd <cite>kind9 posted [p:927421822] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>How in the literal fuck is this country gonna seriously ban vapes while doing nothing about guns One of these things results in thousands and thousands of deaths each year and the other has resulted in 6 </quote> And those six deaths have been linked to black market THC products, not regular nicotine e-juice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/14/19 9:33:29 AM #16:	wolfy42 posted... Kinda different things, but the real question is how it bans vapes but not cigerettes lol. Thats a very good point Traditional tobacco products are far more deadly and while vaping maybe shouldnt be encouraged its a fact that it has made smoking much less popular among teens --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:927422149] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>wolfy42 posted... </cite> <quote>Kinda different things, but the real question is how it bans vapes but not cigerettes lol.</quote> Thats a very good point Traditional tobacco products are far more deadly and while vaping maybe shouldnt be encouraged its a fact that it has made smoking much less popular among teens </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvilMegas 09/14/19 9:38:04 AM #17:	Just make your vape look like an AR-15. It'll be fine --- Official King of Black People https://imgur.com/Zk3VS3o http://imgur.com/a/UeQiE https://imgur.com/aSnCUuI <cite>EvilMegas posted [p:927422251] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Just make your vape look like an AR-15. It'll be fine</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/14/19 1:34:11 PM #18:	Aculo posted... what about you all? I used to as I want to quit smoking and used it to control my nic intake. Now I don't vape or smoke so it worked for me. All I'm seeing is the normal scare mongering that vaping is bad for you so it gets folk back on the smokes. Putting anything into your lungs is normally not good for you outside of oxygen so meh. Still none of this effects me anymore. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/kDysIcd <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:927429647] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Aculo posted...</cite> <quote>what about you all?</quote> I used to as I want to quit smoking and used it to control my nic intake. Now I don't vape or smoke so it worked for me. All I'm seeing is the normal scare mongering that vaping is bad for you so it gets folk back on the smokes. Putting anything into your lungs is normally not good for you outside of oxygen so meh. Still none of this effects me anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aaantlion 09/14/19 1:48:18 PM #19:	kind9 posted... I quit a two pack a day smoking habit by vaping. Now I'm addicted to vaping, so yeah this is going to suck. This ban is utterly pointless with no reasonable justification. Why ban all flavors except tobacco, Trump? ...because vaping was literally proposed as a less harmful alternative to actually smoking and to help wean people off the habit? Mead posted... How in the literal fuck is this country gonna seriously ban vapes while doing nothing about guns One of these things results in thousands and thousands of deaths each year and the other has resulted in 6 How the fuck do you think that's an actual argument? It's a logical fallacy and you're using it more egregiously than it's used in most arguments. wolfy42 posted... Kinda different things, but the real question is how it bans vapes but not cigerettes lol. Because vaping is a newer cultural trend so it's easier to get rid of. Cigarettes and alcohol have been around forever at this point so, despite the fact they're also consumable goods that do massive damage to users, they're too entrenched within the culture to immediately get rid of. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| <cite>Aaantlion posted [p:927430140] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>kind9 posted...</cite> <quote>I quit a two pack a day smoking habit by vaping. Now I'm addicted to vaping, so yeah this is going to suck. This ban is utterly pointless with no reasonable justification. Why ban all flavors except tobacco, Trump?</quote> ...because vaping was literally proposed as a less harmful alternative to actually smoking and to help wean people off the habit? Mead posted...</cite> <quote>How in the literal fuck is this country gonna seriously ban vapes while doing nothing about guns One of these things results in thousands and thousands of deaths each year and the other has resulted in 6 </quote> How the fuck do you think that's an actual argument? It's a logical fallacy and you're using it more egregiously than it's used in most arguments. wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>Kinda different things, but the real question is how it bans vapes but not cigerettes lol.</quote> Because vaping is a newer cultural trend so it's easier to get rid of. Cigarettes and alcohol have been around forever at this point so, despite the fact they're also consumable goods that do massive damage to users, they're too entrenched within the culture to immediately get rid of.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/14/19 1:51:18 PM #20:	How the fuck do you think that's an actual argument? It's a logical fallacy and you're using it more egregiously than it's used in most arguments. Your post is an argument, mine is a statement, one that you dont seem to be able to actually dispute beyond clutching your pearls --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:927430236] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote><quote>How the fuck do you think that's an actual argument? It's a logical fallacy and you're using it more egregiously than it's used in most arguments. </quote> Your post is an argument, mine is a statement, one that you dont seem to be able to actually dispute beyond clutching your pearls </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 09/14/19 2:09:18 PM #21:	Mead posted... wolfy42 posted... Kinda different things, but the real question is how it bans vapes but not cigerettes lol. Thats a very good point Traditional tobacco products are far more deadly and while vaping maybe shouldnt be encouraged its a fact that it has made smoking much less popular among teens Apparently, they say it's not that much better or something. One article said earlier this month the FDA sent a warning letter to e-cigarette maker Juul Labs, chiding it for claiming its products were safer than other tobacco products Weve been urging them (consumers) not to use their products long before this recent outbreak of pulmonary disease linked to the use of some of these products was uncovered, said Paul Billings, the associations senior vice president of public policy. They have no idea whats in these products, and you shouldnt be ingesting or inhaling products if you dont know whats in it. The thing is that all that's going to happen is a bunch of vape shops will close down. And people will go back to regular cigarettes. Even though they said what they said, I feel like vaping is still better than regular cigarettes, but I guess health advocates want more regular cigarettes. And it's not going to stop kids from getting what they want. Just like age doesn't stop them from getting alcohol and cigarettes before. They'll just buy illegal stuff that's probably worse. Or make their own. It's a stupid ban, IMO... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:927430874] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>wolfy42 posted... </cite> <quote>Kinda different things, but the real question is how it bans vapes but not cigerettes lol.</quote> Thats a very good point Traditional tobacco products are far more deadly and while vaping maybe shouldnt be encouraged its a fact that it has made smoking much less popular among teens </quote> Apparently, they say it's not that much better or something. One article said <quote>earlier this month the FDA sent a warning letter to e-cigarette maker Juul Labs, chiding it for claiming its products were safer than other tobacco products</quote> <quote>Weve been urging them (consumers) not to use their products long before this recent outbreak of pulmonary disease linked to the use of some of these products was uncovered, said Paul Billings, the associations senior vice president of public policy. They have no idea whats in these products, and you shouldnt be ingesting or inhaling products if you dont know whats in it.</quote> The thing is that all that's going to happen is a bunch of vape shops will close down. And people will go back to regular cigarettes. Even though they said what they said, I feel like vaping is still better than regular cigarettes, but I guess health advocates want more regular cigarettes. And it's not going to stop kids from getting what they want. Just like age doesn't stop them from getting alcohol and cigarettes before. They'll just buy illegal stuff that's probably worse. Or make their own. It's a stupid ban, IMO...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aaantlion 09/14/19 2:14:01 PM #22:	Mead posted... Mead posted... How in the literal fuck is this country gonna seriously ban vapes while doing nothing about guns One of these things results in thousands and thousands of deaths each year and the other has resulted in 6 How the fuck do you think that's an actual argument? It's a logical fallacy and you're using it more egregiously than it's used in most arguments. Your post is an argument, mine is a statement, one that you dont seem to be able to actually dispute beyond clutching your pearls Wait, you say that you not only graduated high school, but went to college yet you don't understand what an argument is? >_> argument /rymnt/ Learn to pronounce noun noun: argument; plural noun: arguments 1. an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one. "I've had an argument with my father" synonyms:quarrel, disagreement, squabble, fight, difference of opinion, dispute, wrangle, clash, altercation, feud, dissension, war of words, contretemps, exchange of views; More 2. a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong. "there is a strong argument for submitting a formal appeal" synonyms:reasoning, line of reasoning, logic, case; defense, justification, vindication, apology, explanation, rationalization; evidence, reasons, grounds; argumentation, polemic; assertion, declaration, claim, plea, contention, expostulation, demonstration "his arguments for the existence of God" If you don't understand that you're making an argument, I can't imagine you'd know what logical fallacies are. In this case, I suppose I might need a somewhat less scholarly link to explain the fallacy: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppealToWorseProblems Or maybe I'm better off explaining it by a concept I've seen you and others invoke: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism Honestly, at least if you had picked cigarettes or alcohol, you would have had something tangentially related to the theme of the discussion. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| <cite>Aaantlion posted [p:927431056] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>How in the literal fuck is this country gonna seriously ban vapes while doing nothing about guns One of these things results in thousands and thousands of deaths each year and the other has resulted in 6 </quote> How the fuck do you think that's an actual argument? It's a logical fallacy and you're using it more egregiously than it's used in most arguments. </quote> Your post is an argument, mine is a statement, one that you dont seem to be able to actually dispute beyond clutching your pearls </quote> Wait, you say that you not only graduated high school, but went to college yet you don't understand what an argument is? >_> <quote>argument /rymnt/ Learn to pronounce noun noun: argument; plural noun: arguments 1. an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one. "I've had an argument with my father" synonyms:quarrel, disagreement, squabble, fight, difference of opinion, dispute, wrangle, clash, altercation, feud, dissension, war of words, contretemps, exchange of views; More 2. a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong. "there is a strong argument for submitting a formal appeal" synonyms:reasoning, line of reasoning, logic, case; defense, justification, vindication, apology, explanation, rationalization; evidence, reasons, grounds; argumentation, polemic; assertion, declaration, claim, plea, contention, expostulation, demonstration "his arguments for the existence of God"</quote> If you don't understand that you're making an argument, I can't imagine you'd know what logical fallacies are. In this case, I suppose I might need a somewhat less scholarly link to explain the fallacy: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppealToWorseProblems Or maybe I'm better off explaining it by a concept I've seen you and others invoke: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism Honestly, at least if you had picked cigarettes or alcohol, you would have had something tangentially related to the theme of the discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/14/19 2:21:58 PM #23:	Damn centrist dictionaries --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:927431353] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Damn centrist dictionaries </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9 09/14/19 2:34:38 PM #24:	Aaantlion posted... ...because vaping was literally proposed as a less harmful alternative to actually smoking and to help wean people off the habit? So let's make it as unappealing as possible to smokers. --- https://imgur.com/NkZUeFd <cite>kind9 posted [p:927431898] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>...because vaping was literally proposed as a less harmful alternative to actually smoking and to help wean people off the habit? </quote> So let's make it as unappealing as possible to smokers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aaantlion 09/14/19 2:41:20 PM #25:	kind9 posted... Aaantlion posted... ...because vaping was literally proposed as a less harmful alternative to actually smoking and to help wean people off the habit? So let's make it as unappealing as possible to smokers. ...because right now it's picking up more people who never smoked than it is rehabbing smokers and the non-smokers afaik are more the ones getting sick atm. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| <cite>Aaantlion posted [p:927432161] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>kind9 posted...</cite> <quote>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>...because vaping was literally proposed as a less harmful alternative to actually smoking and to help wean people off the habit? </quote> So let's make it as unappealing as possible to smokers.</quote> ...because right now it's picking up more people who never smoked than it is rehabbing smokers and the non-smokers afaik are more the ones getting sick atm.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/14/19 2:44:44 PM #26:	Aaantlion posted... the non-smokers afaik are more the ones getting sick atm. You. . .cant actually believe this --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:927432297] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Aaantlion posted... </cite> <quote>the non-smokers afaik are more the ones getting sick atm.</quote> You. . .cant actually believe this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/14/19 2:47:11 PM #27:	Roughly 1200 people die every day as a result of smoking 6 people have died from vaping related illnesses, the actual causes still unknown --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:927432388] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Roughly 1200 people die every day as a result of smoking 6 people have died from vaping related illnesses, the actual causes still unknown </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veermok09 09/14/19 2:50:55 PM #28:	At best, we are returning to the era of prohibition. We know this doesn't work. At worst, the administration is taking advantage of a public health panic to distract from the very real crises of opioid addiction, gun violence, racial disparity, and anti-immigrant attacks and wrongful incarceration. This ban will never go through. And if it does it will hurt American businesses, ones that are at least providing an incremental alternative to cigarette addiction (to our youth and otherwise), and it will hurt American health outcomes. It's really shameful to make vaping an issue before the rest but here we are. Don't buy the hype. <cite>Veermok09 posted [p:927432547] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>At best, we are returning to the era of prohibition. We know this doesn't work. At worst, the administration is taking advantage of a public health panic to distract from the very real crises of opioid addiction, gun violence, racial disparity, and anti-immigrant attacks and wrongful incarceration. This ban will never go through. And if it does it will hurt American businesses, ones that are at least providing an incremental alternative to cigarette addiction (to our youth and otherwise), and it will hurt American health outcomes. It's really shameful to make vaping an issue before the rest but here we are. Don't buy the hype.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
peanutt121 09/14/19 3:53:27 PM #29:	Aaantlion posted... kind9 posted... Aaantlion posted... ...because vaping was literally proposed as a less harmful alternative to actually smoking and to help wean people off the habit? So let's make it as unappealing as possible to smokers. ...because right now it's picking up more people who never smoked than it is rehabbing smokers and the non-smokers afaik are more the ones getting sick atm. This is absolute bullshit^ --- A proud companion to some great dogs Peanutt, Merlynn, and Destiny https://i.imgtc.ws/sTBV5eB.jpg \| https://i.imgtc.ws/mtl1lJl.jpg <cite>peanutt121 posted [p:927434824] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>kind9 posted...</cite> <quote>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>...because vaping was literally proposed as a less harmful alternative to actually smoking and to help wean people off the habit? </quote> So let's make it as unappealing as possible to smokers.</quote> ...because right now it's picking up more people who never smoked than it is rehabbing smokers and the non-smokers afaik are more the ones getting sick atm.</quote> This is absolute bullshit^</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9 09/14/19 3:55:21 PM #30:	Aaantlion posted... because right now it's picking up more people who never smoked than it is rehabbing smokers Are you just saying that or do you have data? --- https://imgur.com/NkZUeFd <cite>kind9 posted [p:927434883] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>because right now it's picking up more people who never smoked than it is rehabbing smokers</quote> Are you just saying that or do you have data?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
peanutt121 09/14/19 4:20:14 PM #31:	kind9 posted... Aaantlion posted... because right now it's picking up more people who never smoked than it is rehabbing smokers Are you just saying that or do you have data? He's just saying it or quoting fake news. I'm a member of a forum for vaping with millions of worldwide members. Vaping isn't the enemy, Big Tobacco and its allies are. --- A proud companion to some great dogs Peanutt, Merlynn, and Destiny https://i.imgtc.ws/sTBV5eB.jpg \| https://i.imgtc.ws/mtl1lJl.jpg <cite>peanutt121 posted [p:927435721] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>kind9 posted...</cite> <quote>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>because right now it's picking up more people who never smoked than it is rehabbing smokers</quote> Are you just saying that or do you have data?</quote> He's just saying it or quoting fake news. I'm a member of a forum for vaping with millions of worldwide members. Vaping isn't the enemy, Big Tobacco and its allies are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aculo 09/14/19 5:46:25 PM #32:	Mead posted... Roughly 1200 people die every day as a result of smoking And that's just in the US, ok? --- ok? <cite>Aculo posted [p:927438944] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Roughly 1200 people die every day as a result of smoking</quote> And that's just in the US, ok?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/14/19 5:51:10 PM #33:	I do not vape because I was never stupid enough to start smoking and therefore didn't need help quitting. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:927439124] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>I do not vape because I was never stupid enough to start smoking and therefore didn't need help quitting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 09/14/19 7:40:30 PM #34:	Mead posted... How in the literal fuck is this country gonna seriously ban vapes while doing nothing about guns One of these things results in thousands and thousands of deaths each year and the other has resulted in 6 The vaping lobby doesn't own Trump. That's why. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:927443060] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>How in the literal fuck is this country gonna seriously ban vapes while doing nothing about guns One of these things results in thousands and thousands of deaths each year and the other has resulted in 6</quote> The vaping lobby doesn't own Trump. That's why.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboXgp89 09/14/19 8:00:16 PM #35:	peanutt121 posted... kind9 posted... Aaantlion posted... because right now it's picking up more people who never smoked than it is rehabbing smokers Are you just saying that or do you have data? He's just saying it or quoting fake news. I'm a member of a forum for vaping with millions of worldwide members. Vaping isn't the enemy, Big Tobacco and its allies are. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/vaping-teenager-sues-juul-e-cigarettes-lung-damage-adam-hergenreder-a9105211.html this doesnt help i don't get why people jump on the thc bandwagon it was obviously a illegal mixture so there was probably something wrong with the mixing before hand --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WErq2CBYTU <cite>RoboXgp89 posted [p:927443719] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>peanutt121 posted...</cite> <quote>kind9 posted...</cite> <quote>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>because right now it's picking up more people who never smoked than it is rehabbing smokers</quote> Are you just saying that or do you have data?</quote> He's just saying it or quoting fake news. I'm a member of a forum for vaping with millions of worldwide members. Vaping isn't the enemy, Big Tobacco and its allies are.</quote> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/vaping-teenager-sues-juul-e-cigarettes-lung-damage-adam-hergenreder-a9105211.html this doesnt help i don't get why people jump on the thc bandwagon it was obviously a illegal mixture so there was probably something wrong with the mixing before hand</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aaantlion 09/14/19 8:20:47 PM #36:	Mead posted... Aaantlion posted... the non-smokers afaik are more the ones getting sick atm. You. . .cant actually believe this Look at the age range for those who have gotten sick, it's overwhelmingly younger people, not older folk looking to kick the habit. Mead posted... Roughly 1200 people die every day as a result of smoking 6 people have died from vaping related illnesses, the actual causes still unknown I'm not sure if this is Poe's Law at work or not. First, there are far more smoker than vapers. Second, you're looking at long-term damage for smoking whereas vaping hasn't been around long enough to establish the kind of long-term health damage we see with smoking. Veermok09 posted... At best, we are returning to the era of prohibition. We know this doesn't work. lolwut? Are you also going to complain that the ban on crystal meth is like returning to prohibition? Or that the ban on cocaine is like prohibition? Because those are more like prohibition than this is right now. Veermok09 posted... At worst, the administration is taking advantage of a public health panic to distract from the very real crises of opioid addiction, gun violence, racial disparity, and anti-immigrant attacks and wrongful incarceration. This ban will never go through. And if it does it will hurt American businesses, ones that are at least providing an incremental alternative to cigarette addiction (to our youth and otherwise), and it will hurt American health outcomes. It's really shameful to make vaping an issue before the rest but here we are. Don't buy the hype. #Whataboutisms The hazards of vaping had been coming under increasing scrutiny as the practice grew more widespread for years. Even without these latest problems, you were going to start to see substantial regulation because it was ALREADY in talks. And getting kids hooked on vaping -- particularly ones who hadn't even tried smoking -- isn't much of an improvement over smoking. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| <cite>Aaantlion posted [p:927444372] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Aaantlion posted... </cite> <quote>the non-smokers afaik are more the ones getting sick atm.</quote> You. . .cant actually believe this </quote> Look at the age range for those who have gotten sick, it's overwhelmingly younger people, not older folk looking to kick the habit. Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Roughly 1200 people die every day as a result of smoking 6 people have died from vaping related illnesses, the actual causes still unknown </quote> I'm not sure if this is Poe's Law at work or not. First, there are far more smoker than vapers. Second, you're looking at long-term damage for smoking whereas vaping hasn't been around long enough to establish the kind of long-term health damage we see with smoking. Veermok09 posted...</cite> <quote>At best, we are returning to the era of prohibition. We know this doesn't work.</quote> lolwut? Are you also going to complain that the ban on crystal meth is like returning to prohibition? Or that the ban on cocaine is like prohibition? Because those are more like prohibition than this is right now. Veermok09 posted...</cite> <quote>At worst, the administration is taking advantage of a public health panic to distract from the very real crises of opioid addiction, gun violence, racial disparity, and anti-immigrant attacks and wrongful incarceration. This ban will never go through. And if it does it will hurt American businesses, ones that are at least providing an incremental alternative to cigarette addiction (to our youth and otherwise), and it will hurt American health outcomes. It's really shameful to make vaping an issue before the rest but here we are. Don't buy the hype.</quote> #Whataboutisms The hazards of vaping had been coming under increasing scrutiny as the practice grew more widespread for years. Even without these latest problems, you were going to start to see substantial regulation because it was ALREADY in talks. And getting kids hooked on vaping -- particularly ones who hadn't even tried smoking -- isn't much of an improvement over smoking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/14/19 8:22:21 PM #37:	why does Zeus even post --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:927444429] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>why does Zeus even post </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aaantlion 09/14/19 8:23:34 PM #38:	kind9 posted... Aaantlion posted... because right now it's picking up more people who never smoked than it is rehabbing smokers Are you just saying that or do you have data? The largest growing segment has been kids. peanutt121 posted... He's just saying it or quoting fake news. I'm a member of a forum for vaping with millions of worldwide members. Vaping isn't the enemy, Big Tobacco and its allies are. jfc, your posts need a laugh track. Aculo posted... Mead posted... Roughly 1200 people die every day as a result of smoking And that's just in the US, ok? Because comparing a technology not widely used outside the US yet to cigarettes for overall impact -- while also ignoring that cigarettes is long-term damage whereas vaping is relatively new on the market so the long-term damage hasn't hit yet -- isn't at all completely disingenuous... oh wait... adjl posted... I do not vape because I was never stupid enough to start smoking and therefore didn't need help quitting. The beauty of vaping is that it appeals to non-smokers as well. And, I should mention, some people start vaping then move onto cigarettes instead of it going the other way around. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| <cite>Aaantlion posted [p:927444463] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>kind9 posted...</cite> <quote>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>because right now it's picking up more people who never smoked than it is rehabbing smokers</quote> Are you just saying that or do you have data?</quote> The largest growing segment has been kids. peanutt121 posted...</cite> <quote>He's just saying it or quoting fake news. I'm a member of a forum for vaping with millions of worldwide members. Vaping isn't the enemy, Big Tobacco and its allies are.</quote> jfc, your posts need a laugh track. Aculo posted...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Roughly 1200 people die every day as a result of smoking</quote> And that's just in the US, ok?</quote> Because comparing a technology not widely used outside the US yet to cigarettes for overall impact -- while also ignoring that cigarettes is long-term damage whereas vaping is relatively new on the market so the long-term damage hasn't hit yet -- isn't at all completely disingenuous... oh wait... adjl posted...</cite> <quote>I do not vape because I was never stupid enough to start smoking and therefore didn't need help quitting.</quote> The beauty of vaping is that it appeals to non-smokers as well. And, I should mention, some people start vaping then move onto cigarettes instead of it going the other way around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 09/14/19 8:23:44 PM #39:	Mead posted... why does Zeus even post To accuse of you of death threats. Meanwhile winter just said it should be illegal for only me to breathe. --- I'd rather die helping others survive than be all alone, UNSCATHED, after all others have fallen -DEC <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:927444472] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>why does Zeus even post </quote> To accuse of you of death threats. Meanwhile winter just said it should be illegal for only me to breathe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aaantlion 09/14/19 8:26:36 PM #40:	I think the real reason he asks that is why do I -- or anybody else -- bother responding to his troll posts. SunWuKung420 posted... To accuse of you of death threats. Wait, are you seriously referring to a fucking typo that I immediately edited my post to correct? Your nonsense just gets worse and worse. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| <cite>Aaantlion posted [p:927444583] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>I think the real reason he asks that is why do I -- or anybody else -- bother responding to his troll posts. SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>To accuse of you of death threats. </quote> Wait, are you seriously referring to a fucking typo that I immediately edited my post to correct? Your nonsense just gets worse and worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
peanutt121 09/15/19 11:32:53 AM #41:	Aaantlion posted... Because comparing a technology not widely used outside the US yet to cigarettes for overall impact -- while also ignoring that cigarettes is long-term damage whereas vaping is relatively new on the market so the long-term damage hasn't hit yet -- isn't at all completely disingenuous... oh wait... Your ignorance of everything never ceases to amaze me, goodbye to another zeus alt to the ignore list. --- A proud companion to some great dogs Peanutt, Merlynn, and Destiny https://i.imgtc.ws/sTBV5eB.jpg \| https://i.imgtc.ws/mtl1lJl.jpg <cite>peanutt121 posted [p:927467049] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote> Because comparing a technology not widely used outside the US yet to cigarettes for overall impact -- while also ignoring that cigarettes is long-term damage whereas vaping is relatively new on the market so the long-term damage hasn't hit yet -- isn't at all completely disingenuous... oh wait...</quote> Your ignorance of everything never ceases to amaze me, goodbye to another zeus alt to the ignore list.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aaantlion 09/15/19 9:07:57 PM #42:	peanutt121 posted... Aaantlion posted... Because comparing a technology not widely used outside the US yet to cigarettes for overall impact -- while also ignoring that cigarettes is long-term damage whereas vaping is relatively new on the market so the long-term damage hasn't hit yet -- isn't at all completely disingenuous... oh wait... Your ignorance of everything never ceases to amaze me, goodbye to another zeus alt to the ignore list. Not having to talk to you would be my advantage, considering your stunning poor understanding and bizarre zealotry. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| <cite>Aaantlion posted [p:927491718] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>peanutt121 posted...</cite> <quote>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote> Because comparing a technology not widely used outside the US yet to cigarettes for overall impact -- while also ignoring that cigarettes is long-term damage whereas vaping is relatively new on the market so the long-term damage hasn't hit yet -- isn't at all completely disingenuous... oh wait...</quote> Your ignorance of everything never ceases to amaze me, goodbye to another zeus alt to the ignore list.</quote> Not having to talk to you would be my advantage, considering your stunning poor understanding and bizarre zealotry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nichtcrawler X 09/15/19 9:09:47 PM #43:	Aaantlion posted... Because comparing a technology not widely used outside the US yet to cigarettes for overall impact Vaping has been the big new thing for a couple of years now here. --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! <cite>Nichtcrawler X posted [p:927491812] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote> Because comparing a technology not widely used outside the US yet to cigarettes for overall impact</quote> Vaping has been the big new thing for a couple of years now here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aculo 09/15/19 10:08:31 PM #44:	Zeus why are you adversarial to everyone so constantly? Try to be a lil nicer, guy, ok? --- ok? <cite>Aculo posted [p:927494639] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Zeus why are you adversarial to everyone so constantly? Try to be a lil nicer, guy, ok?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/15/19 10:09:14 PM #45:	Aaantlion posted... Not having to talk to you would be my advantage, considering your stunning poor understanding and bizarre zealotry. Why do you even post here --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:927494673] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Aaantlion posted... </cite> <quote>Not having to talk to you would be my advantage, considering your stunning poor understanding and bizarre zealotry.</quote> Why do you even post here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 09/15/19 10:35:43 PM #46:	I live in WA where pot is legal and vape stores are on almost every corner (also selling pot etc). Perhaps this is some back door way of making it harder for people to sell pot? Will states that ignore the laws on pot also ignore the laws on vaping? I will say this, I know almost nobody under 30 who smokes.....cigerettes at least......but maybe....half of them vape or use vape pens for pot etc. It's extremely common. Perhaps the real thrust here is to restrict and prevent MJ use and not about the 6 people who died or the possible health affects (that have not been apparent in the majority of people who are vaping all the time for the last 10 years or so). I still argue that if your gonna take this stance against vaping, there is no excuse to not also do so about cigeretes themselves, since they are obviously dangerous and killing people and wasting tax payer money on ER or people without insurance. The only Cig stores I know of are on indian reservations, meanwhile there are vape stores all over the place in Washington (although most of them are primarily to sell pot lol). If you actually did ban vaping, you would put a ton of stores out of buisiness (the ones that don't already also sell pot at least, perhaps they would have to start lol). --- Zangulus "I try to avoid having any knowledge at all of his dick." <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:927495860] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>I live in WA where pot is legal and vape stores are on almost every corner (also selling pot etc). Perhaps this is some back door way of making it harder for people to sell pot? Will states that ignore the laws on pot also ignore the laws on vaping? I will say this, I know almost nobody under 30 who smokes.....cigerettes at least......but maybe....half of them vape or use vape pens for pot etc. It's extremely common. Perhaps the real thrust here is to restrict and prevent MJ use and not about the 6 people who died or the possible health affects (that have not been apparent in the majority of people who are vaping all the time for the last 10 years or so). I still argue that if your gonna take this stance against vaping, there is no excuse to not also do so about cigeretes themselves, since they are obviously dangerous and killing people and wasting tax payer money on ER or people without insurance. The only Cig stores I know of are on indian reservations, meanwhile there are vape stores all over the place in Washington (although most of them are primarily to sell pot lol). If you actually did ban vaping, you would put a ton of stores out of buisiness (the ones that don't already also sell pot at least, perhaps they would have to start lol).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
peanutt121 09/15/19 11:34:41 PM #47:	wolfy42 posted... I live in WA where pot is legal and vape stores are on almost every corner (also selling pot etc). Perhaps this is some back door way of making it harder for people to sell pot? Will states that ignore the laws on pot also ignore the laws on vaping? I will say this, I know almost nobody under 30 who smokes.....cigerettes at least......but maybe....half of them vape or use vape pens for pot etc. It's extremely common. Perhaps the real thrust here is to restrict and prevent MJ use and not about the 6 people who died or the possible health affects (that have not been apparent in the majority of people who are vaping all the time for the last 10 years or so). I still argue that if your gonna take this stance against vaping, there is no excuse to not also do so about cigeretes themselves, since they are obviously dangerous and killing people and wasting tax payer money on ER or people without insurance. The only Cig stores I know of are on indian reservations, meanwhile there are vape stores all over the place in Washington (although most of them are primarily to sell pot lol). If you actually did ban vaping, you would put a ton of stores out of buisiness (the ones that don't already also sell pot at least, perhaps they would have to start lol). The object of this is to de facto ban vaping. Big Tobacco's profits are way down as more and more people quit tobacco for whatever reason and method. Big pharma is also losing money as fewer people trust the poison they get approved that hurts and kills people for profit. Then there's Big Medicine also losing more people they won't get to treat for tobacco related illnesses. Add to that all the state governments that sold bonds against the money they would receive for the settlements against Big Tobacco. That money is drying up as more people quit smoking and many states may end up defaulting on those bonds. You can all figure out for yourselves who stands to lose the most if vaping continues to be shown as 95% safer than tobacco. 400,000+ people die each year from tobacco related illnesses. In 30 years+ of vaping there have been 6 deaths worldwide related to vaping, and then only because they vaped crap that no one looking to quit smoking would ever put in a mod. There have been more deaths in Orville Redenbacher's Popcorn Manufacturing due to inhaling butter flavoring in his plants. Stop drinking the FDA Kool-aid kids, they don't give one shit about us, just the money. --- A proud companion to some great dogs Peanutt, Merlynn, and Destiny https://i.imgtc.ws/sTBV5eB.jpg \| https://i.imgtc.ws/mtl1lJl.jpg <cite>peanutt121 posted [p:927498234] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>I live in WA where pot is legal and vape stores are on almost every corner (also selling pot etc). Perhaps this is some back door way of making it harder for people to sell pot? Will states that ignore the laws on pot also ignore the laws on vaping? I will say this, I know almost nobody under 30 who smokes.....cigerettes at least......but maybe....half of them vape or use vape pens for pot etc. It's extremely common. Perhaps the real thrust here is to restrict and prevent MJ use and not about the 6 people who died or the possible health affects (that have not been apparent in the majority of people who are vaping all the time for the last 10 years or so). I still argue that if your gonna take this stance against vaping, there is no excuse to not also do so about cigeretes themselves, since they are obviously dangerous and killing people and wasting tax payer money on ER or people without insurance. The only Cig stores I know of are on indian reservations, meanwhile there are vape stores all over the place in Washington (although most of them are primarily to sell pot lol). If you actually did ban vaping, you would put a ton of stores out of buisiness (the ones that don't already also sell pot at least, perhaps they would have to start lol).</quote> The object of this is to de facto ban vaping. Big Tobacco's profits are way down as more and more people quit tobacco for whatever reason and method. Big pharma is also losing money as fewer people trust the poison they get approved that hurts and kills people for profit. Then there's Big Medicine also losing more people they won't get to treat for tobacco related illnesses. Add to that all the state governments that sold bonds against the money they would receive for the settlements against Big Tobacco. That money is drying up as more people quit smoking and many states may end up defaulting on those bonds. You can all figure out for yourselves who stands to lose the most if vaping continues to be shown as 95% safer than tobacco. 400,000+ people die each year from tobacco related illnesses. In 30 years+ of vaping there have been 6 deaths worldwide related to vaping, and then only because they vaped crap that no one looking to quit smoking would ever put in a mod. There have been more deaths in Orville Redenbacher's Popcorn Manufacturing due to inhaling butter flavoring in his plants. Stop drinking the FDA Kool-aid kids, they don't give one shit about us, just the money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aaantlion 09/16/19 2:33:38 AM #48:	Mead posted... Aaantlion posted... Not having to talk to you would be my advantage, considering your stunning poor understanding and bizarre zealotry. Why do you even post here The real question you need to be asking is why don't I ignore you? You contribute nothing and almost every single one of your posts is an attempt to provoke me or somebody else. Can you give me a reason why I shouldn't ignore you? Because I can't come up with anything. At one point, it seemed easier to address your lies directly instead of letting them spread, but even after they're debunked (when I've shown screencaps, for example, or linked directly to posts where you claimed I said the opposite thing) or denied (like your completely false claim I work for the government), you keep repeating them. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| <cite>Aaantlion posted [p:927503029] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Aaantlion posted... </cite> <quote>Not having to talk to you would be my advantage, considering your stunning poor understanding and bizarre zealotry.</quote> Why do you even post here </quote> The real question you need to be asking is why don't I ignore you? You contribute nothing and almost every single one of your posts is an attempt to provoke me or somebody else. Can you give me a reason why I shouldn't ignore you? Because I can't come up with anything. At one point, it seemed easier to address your lies directly instead of letting them spread, but even after they're debunked (when I've shown screencaps, for example, or linked directly to posts where you claimed I said the opposite thing) or denied (like your completely false claim I work for the government), you keep repeating them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/16/19 2:35:24 AM #49:	Block him then. Nobody cares. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/kDysIcd <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:927503064] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Block him then. Nobody cares.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/16/19 2:46:39 AM #50:	Zeus you do this weird thing where you mix the two of us up. Ive proven that you are lying countless times at this point by digging up your posts that you have denied making. You have not done that. As for your expectation that I should for some reason make an argument for you to not block or ignore me wwinterj25 posted... Block me then. Nobody cares. --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:927503265] in do you vap... [t:78011010]...</cite> <quote>Zeus you do this weird thing where you mix the two of us up. Ive proven that you are lying countless times at this point by digging up your posts that you have denied making. You have not done that. As for your expectation that I should for some reason make an argument for you to not block or ignore me wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>Block me then. Nobody cares.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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