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Lebronwon
09/14/19 10:36:16 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoudH-RPnEE" data-time="

"It's my money my choice"


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Hexenherz
09/14/19 10:40:56 AM
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I liked that joke >_>
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Lebronwon
09/14/19 5:54:07 PM
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ThanksUglyGod
09/14/19 6:04:23 PM
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That joke was fucking stupid.

Politicians have been passing anti-abortion bills for decades because...of #MeToo? What???
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DeadBankerDream
09/14/19 6:05:13 PM
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Well he's wrong and presumably not funny.
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TheVipaGTS
09/14/19 6:07:36 PM
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my only issue with this is the fact that there is now an innocent child in play here. these laws aren't designed necessarily to punish the man and reward the woman. they're SUPPOSED to be for helping the child....Now somewhere along the way that shit got pervaded and definitely needs reformed. The man's income should not determine how much he has to give. this is money for the child, not the child's mother.
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Maze_
09/14/19 6:08:26 PM
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I don't think he's wrong literally.

but I think it's a really bad approach. Pushing women who want to have kids into an abortion because you're threatening to leave her and not help raise/pay for it is really fucked up.

It's sort of like standing on a pier whild holding a life belt and just watching + laughing at someone screaming for help as they thrash around in the water, slowly drowning in agony.

Technically you're under no obligation to help, but your attitude is rotten and you seem pro-suffering.
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Hinakuluiau
09/14/19 6:08:29 PM
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The issue is that it's being framed as father vs mother rather than about the child.
A woman gets the choice to abort because she shouldn't be forced to carry a fetus for 9 months if she doesn't want to. A man doesn't get to control her body so he gets no say here. Whereas with child support, the problem lies with the needs of the child. A child should be able to get adequate funds and access to clothes, housing, food, etc. that it would if both parents were able to get along.

If we could increase our social safety nets to similar levels such as Denmark and Sweden (two countries that have some measurable support for such a thing), then I would support it. But given the general shittiness that is American welfare, the needs of the child supplant that of the fathers.
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The Catgirl Fondler
09/14/19 6:21:00 PM
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Fair enough, and I say that as someone who is pro-choice.

Both man and woman should be able to opt out of dealing with an unwanted pregnancy.
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creativerealms
09/14/19 6:43:00 PM
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That's his choice. Of course it's her choice to seak out legal action and sue for support.

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cerealbox760
09/14/19 7:08:01 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
my only issue with this is the fact that there is now an innocent child in play here. these laws aren't designed necessarily to punish the man and reward the woman. they're SUPPOSED to be for helping the child....Now somewhere along the way that shit got pervaded and definitely needs reformed. The man's income should not determine how much he has to give. this is money for the child, not the child's mother.


We should put regulations on what things the mother is allowed to buy with the money. Single mothers abuse this law to no end and keep the money to indulge.
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KillerKhan420
09/14/19 7:14:02 PM
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He's 100 percent right. The woman wants the baby and the man doesn't it shouldn't be his problem to deal with IF he doesn't want to. That's why you got these women with multiple baby daddies living free and making more babies, it's a lottery especially if the man has a great job. NBA basketball players have to deal with this all the time.
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Wii_Shaker
09/14/19 7:14:31 PM
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The joke premise is funny and it really flips the anti-abortion argument on it's head in an interesting new way.

Basically he's saying that women should have control over their reproductive rights. He's also saying that if the woman decides to keep the child, the man shouldn't be the one to pay for the child's upbringing (if he chooses the right to abandon the child).

It's a very tactful joke. Remember that all of this is hypothetical and it is afterall a joke.
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Kensaimage
09/14/19 7:22:43 PM
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Hinakuluiau posted...
The issue is that it's being framed as father vs mother rather than about the child.
A woman gets the choice to abort because she shouldn't be forced to carry a fetus for 9 months if she doesn't want to. A man doesn't get to control her body so he gets no say here. Whereas with child support, the problem lies with the needs of the child. A child should be able to get adequate funds and access to clothes, housing, food, etc. that it would if both parents were able to get along.

If we could increase our social safety nets to similar levels such as Denmark and Sweden (two countries that have some measurable support for such a thing), then I would support it. But given the general shittiness that is American welfare, the needs of the child supplant that of the fathers.


So a woman can choose (for both parties) whether the baby stays or not. The father gets no choice (which is honestly pretty cruel in my opinion). But...what if the mother wants to keep the baby, but the father doesnt?

He gets slapped with child support for 18 years. The woman got to choose that as well. But dad gets no say, lol.

Double standards is all Im sayin.
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Behaviorism
09/14/19 7:25:04 PM
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Ryo_the_Inferno
09/14/19 8:07:15 PM
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@creativerealms posted...
That's his choice. Of course it's her choice to seak out legal action and sue for support.

What you basically just said is "That's his choice. Of course it's her choice to remove his choice."
The equivalent of that would be to say "It's her choice to have an abortion. Of course it's his choice to hold her prisoner until she gives birth."
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DeadBankerDream
09/15/19 5:20:51 AM
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Ryo_the_Inferno posted...
The equivalent of that would be to say "It's her choice to have an abortion. Of course it's his choice to hold her prisoner until she gives birth."

Thats exactly what giving men the right to "opt out" of child support would be the equivalence to.
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MARKINGRAM22
09/15/19 5:24:37 AM
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ThanksUglyGod posted...
That joke was fucking stupid.

Politicians have been passing anti-abortion bills for decades because...of #MeToo? What???
It is a joke. Not a stump speech.
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haloiscoolisbak
09/15/19 5:29:15 AM
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The Catgirl Fondler posted...
Fair enough, and I say that as someone who is pro-choice.

Both man and woman should be able to opt out of dealing with an unwanted pregnancy.


Agreed. Especially coz no form of contraception is 100%. Accidents happen and I'm not gonna abstain from sex just in case I get someone pregnant. Granted most women in my country are pro abortion you never know

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AlisLandale
09/15/19 5:33:38 AM
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As long as this is agreed to well beforehand I dont see a problem. Get two parties to sign a paper that says if a child is born during x dates then the man relinquishes all rights and responsibilities to the child.

Make it have to be renewed every so often, and null if a doctor confirms a pregnancy within 8 weeks of the document being filed.
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NinjaBreakfast
09/15/19 5:43:29 AM
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Hilarious how so many of you were talking about how comedy "shouldn't be taken seriously" when people didn't agree with stuff Dave said on the special but when he says something (usually the same stuff lol) that you agree with it's suddenly all "hmmm this is a really good point and something we should consider "
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gmanthebest
09/15/19 5:56:28 AM
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Wii_Shaker posted...
The joke premise is funny and it really flips the anti-abortion argument on it's head in an interesting new way.

Basically he's saying that women should have control over their reproductive rights. He's also saying that if the woman decides to keep the child, the man shouldn't be the one to pay for the child's upbringing (if he chooses the right to abandon the child).

It's a very tactful joke. Remember that all of this is hypothetical and it is afterall a joke.

Exactly, all fine and good for a joke. It's when idiots start taking the joke seriously and don't want to help support a life they created, then it's a problem.
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MuayThai85
09/15/19 6:09:31 AM
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You should still have to pay child support, but as one user stated, only for the necessities of the child. How much his salary is should play no role in that, nor should he cover 100% of the costs for things like clothes, food, education, etc.

Hell, put they should go as far as putting the money on a card that can only be used to purchase specific things. The woman shouldn't be able to go buy a new Gucci bag with the child support money while the child is surviving on the bare minimum.

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AlephZero
09/16/19 8:06:26 PM
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alt right dave is at it again
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paerarru
09/17/19 7:57:10 PM
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Maze_ posted...
Pushing women who want to have kids into an abortion because you're threatening to leave her and not help raise/pay for it is really fucked up.

But is it any more or less fucked up than "pushing men who want to have kids into an abortion" because you're threatening to not help raise/pay for it.

Except the man can't even say "hey it's okay, I'll have the child even if you don't want to help raise/pay for it, I'll just raise/pay for it myself", which a woman could still say if it was actually the case that the man had a choice not to pay for it.

See it's not about whether children should get support OR whether women should be allowed to have an abortion. It's about if women have a right to not deal with an unwanted child then men should have that right as well. It's a double standard that a woman can choose to not deal with it, but a man doesn't have that choice.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/19/19 1:14:12 AM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
my only issue with this is the fact that there is now an innocent child in play here. these laws aren't designed necessarily to punish the man and reward the woman. they're SUPPOSED to be for helping the child....Now somewhere along the way that shit got pervaded and definitely needs reformed. The man's income should not determine how much he has to give. this is money for the child, not the child's mother.


family court is designed to generate revenue. that's why these things get dragged out.
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Dragonblade01
09/19/19 1:49:22 AM
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It's a funny joke. It's a bad response to abortion, but a funny joke.
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Questionmarktarius
09/19/19 2:15:10 AM
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Kensaimage posted...
So a woman can choose (for both parties) whether the baby stays or not. The father gets no choice (which is honestly pretty cruel in my opinion). But...what if the mother wants to keep the baby, but the father doesnt?

He gets slapped with child support for 18 years. The woman got to choose that as well. But dad gets no say, lol.

Double standards is all Im sayin.

Obligate the father to the market price of an abortion, and that's it.
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coh
09/20/19 9:20:49 AM
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The Catgirl Fondler posted...
Fair enough, and I say that as someone who is pro-choice.

Both man and woman should be able to opt out of dealing with an unwanted pregnancy.
The best way to opt out is to put the kid up for adoption. Not murder or abandon it.
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VanananaHeyHey
09/20/19 9:22:34 AM
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Child support is the absolute right of a child for existing, not a benefit to a woman from a man. His rights to decide about reproductive results exist only to the point of deciding where to leave his genetic material.
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09/20/19 9:23:49 AM
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How dare a man abandon the fetus
How dare a woman be prevented from killing the fetus
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CruelBuffalo
09/20/19 9:29:37 AM
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People who are dumb enough to get their political opinions from joking comedians are why we cant have funny comedians
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emblem boy
09/20/19 9:41:32 AM
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Like others have said, I think the guy should be involved in financial support of the kid. It's just kinda fucked up to not be. I'm not gonna say it should be a legal thing though.

My gf and I feel the same about abortion thankfully, it's not something we'd feel comfortable doing

I don't know how I'd feel if she wanted to get one but I didn't...
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Squall28
09/20/19 9:41:41 AM
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Hinakuluiau posted...
A woman gets the choice to abort because she shouldn't be forced to carry a fetus for 9 months if she doesn't want to. A man doesn't get to control her body so he gets no say here. Whereas with child support, the problem lies with the needs of the child. A child should be able to get adequate funds and access to clothes, housing, food, etc. that it would if both parents were able to get along.


Being able to live is not a "need" of a child now? Last so checked, living is more important than clothes.
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Sad_Face
09/20/19 10:02:29 AM
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Abortion is such a touchy subject. If the kid is born, you're doing not only an injustice to the kid but also the community he lives in if you're (assuming you're the father) not there to help raise him and there's no father figure in his life. A mother can't be a replacement for a father. On the flipside, a woman having a kid she doesn't want or can't have can be detrimental to her physical health at worst or create an unwanted kid in an unloved home, more problems for the community.

It's a complex subject that has no easy answers. But this "My body, my rights" line being paraded does no favors.
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paerarru
09/20/19 12:41:13 PM
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VanananaHeyHey posted...
Child support is the absolute right of a child for existing, not a benefit to a woman from a man.

The issue is not whether a child should be supported or not. Any comments focusing on that are completely irrelevant to the issue.

His rights to decide about reproductive results exist only to the point of deciding where to leave his genetic material.

You have correctly identified the status quo, good job.
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OctilIery
09/22/19 1:17:47 AM
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GregShmedley posted...
I should legally be allowed to sign away any financial obligations.

Nope, because the two are not comparable and the welfare of the child takes precedent.
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_____Cait
09/22/19 1:22:30 AM
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Did you guys forget this was a joke
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DarkProto05
09/25/19 2:44:10 AM
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OctilIery posted...
GregShmedley posted...
I should legally be allowed to sign away any financial obligations.

Nope, because the two are not comparable and the welfare of the child takes precedent.

Until a system is in place to ensure ALL child support dollars are spent on the child, I believe the man can abandon the situation if he doesn't trust the mother with his money.
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OctilIery
09/26/19 10:14:14 AM
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DarkProto05 posted...
OctilIery posted...
GregShmedley posted...
I should legally be allowed to sign away any financial obligations.

Nope, because the two are not comparable and the welfare of the child takes precedent.

Until a system is in place to ensure ALL child support dollars are spent on the child, I believe the man can abandon the situation if he doesn't trust the mother with his money.

And you're wrong. Simple as that. The system needs to be better, but until it is, siding with the kid is priority even if it might not help the kid as much as it should.
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CapnMuffin
09/26/19 10:25:12 AM
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Having sex isnt a right so Im not seeing why there should be get out of jail free cards for the consequences
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OctilIery
09/26/19 10:30:52 AM
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CapnMuffin posted...
Having sex isnt a right

I mean... Yes, yes it us.
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DeadBankerDream
09/26/19 10:43:18 AM
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OctilIery posted...
CapnMuffin posted...
Having sex isnt a right

I mean... Yes, yes it us.

This is creepy.
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OldIronKing
09/26/19 10:59:14 AM
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He hasn't been cancelled yet? The mob must be losing its touch.
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OctilIery
09/26/19 11:03:05 AM
#52:


DeadBankerDream posted...
OctilIery posted...
CapnMuffin posted...
Having sex isnt a right

I mean... Yes, yes it us.

This is creepy.

Not really no. Sex with a specific individual? Not a right. Consensual sex in general? Definitely a right.
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DeadBankerDream
09/26/19 11:06:00 AM
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That doesn't make sense
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OctilIery
09/26/19 11:12:55 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
That doesn't make sense

It does actually.
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darkjedilink
09/26/19 11:13:03 AM
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OctilIery posted...
CapnMuffin posted...
Having sex isnt a right

I mean... Yes, yes it us.

So, rape doesn't exist?
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