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tullock
09/15/19 2:07:45 PM
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I posted around the beginning of the month that I had started working on an alternative to YouTube and in advance of the alpha release, I want to let people sign up for invitations if they're interested in joining. You can sign up here: https://imgtc.ws/icebay.php and you'll get an email to register as soon as the first public version is ready.

Some of the biggest complaints I've seen regarding YouTube are how they treat content creators in regards to copyright infringement, monetization and so on. Plus, the fact that corporate entities have such a massive hold on the site. I want to put the emphasis back on individuals who produce their own content, not the media juggernauts. So if you're interested, sign up for the announcement email (I will announce here after the email, to give those folks first dibs). Also, any feedback you have about the way YT operates or features you'd like, don't hesitate to post here.
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R1masher
09/15/19 2:09:04 PM
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How much money will I make?
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Evening_Dragon
09/15/19 2:10:23 PM
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Signed up. Imgtc is the saving grace of this site, so you have all my goodwill.
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tullock
09/15/19 2:22:56 PM
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R1masher posted...
How much money will I make?


YouTube pays in the range of $4-$10cpm I believe, so that's what I am aiming for as a floor. A lot of that depends on the ad agencies I partner up with, which I'll begin once the site is up and running.

Evening_Dragon posted...
Signed up. Imgtc is the saving grace of this site, so you have all my goodwill.


Very much appreciated! Do you have a youtube channel?
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emblem boy
09/15/19 2:35:10 PM
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Awesome job bro.

I'm curious, have other people tried making new YouTube alternatives? Why have they failed?
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Evening_Dragon
09/15/19 2:39:35 PM
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tullock posted...
R1masher posted...
How much money will I make?


YouTube pays in the range of $4-$10cpm I believe, so that's what I am aiming for as a floor. A lot of that depends on the ad agencies I partner up with, which I'll begin once the site is up and running.

Evening_Dragon posted...
Signed up. Imgtc is the saving grace of this site, so you have all my goodwill.


Very much appreciated! Do you have a youtube channel?


Nope! :v If I ever have content I wanna put out, I'll let you know though.
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SiO4
09/15/19 2:40:37 PM
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Tag.

TC, No I don't have a YT channel, and have only posted one comment their, that got taken down, I think because I expressed that I am part Campbell, idk.

Also, I do have to wonder how you'll handle copyright issues. That's what would freak me out.
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tremain07
09/15/19 2:44:55 PM
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How will you deal with people posting extremely racist,sexist or porn videos or illegal videos?
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tullock
09/15/19 2:47:43 PM
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emblem boy posted...
Awesome job bro.

I'm curious, have other people tried making new YouTube alternatives? Why have they failed?


It's the combination of a few issues. Not enough income to sustain the infrastructure is one of the main reasons, which is why I have to plan all that out ahead of launch. YouTube is wicked expensive to run because it encodes in multiple formats and sizes and stores them in multiple locations so every upload ultimately consumes lots of space. I'm trying to figure out how to avoid needing a dozen versions of every upload without sacrificing any usability. I'm going to stick with the host I have now, and then move into owning the hardware and renting space in a data center once it's launched and stable, hopefully that will cut down on expenses.

Evening_Dragon posted...
Nope! :v If I ever have content I wanna put out, I'll let you know though.


That'd be great. Maybe we'll see a channel fr you on this platform in the future

SiO4 posted...
Tag.

TC, No I don't have a YT channel, and have only posted one comment their, that got taken down, I think because I expressed that I am part Campbell, idk.

Also, I do have to wonder how you'll handle copyright issues. That's what would freak me out.


Copyright issues is really the only thing I'm not looking forward to haha. Google bends to every claim and their automated system is out of control from what I've gathered on reddit. I'd like to have a human reviewed process for that and only comply with the ones that I'd be legally bound to. I think the fair use doctrine would cover a lot of instances though.

tremain07 posted...
How will you deal with people posting extremely racist,sexist or porn videos or illegal videos?


Hate speech isn't going to be tolerated, and I will have a more concise definition of that for the release. I certainly am not going to censor different political viewpoints, but if it crosses the line into slurs or attacks against people, that won't be allowed. Porn and illegal content such as murders and whatnot won't be allowed either. If it's an educational video about sex, it'll have appropriate filters, same with violence/gore like you'd see in an R movie. I'm going to have a very in depth page detailing what kind of content will be allowed
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SiO4
09/15/19 2:51:33 PM
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tullock posted...
I think the fair use doctrine would cover a lot of instances though.


Ya, all of that is beyond my paygrade. Try posting some Bob Dylan music and see how long it takes for them to request that you take it down. idk. Either way, I will check the site. I do love the ease of ImgTC..
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Evening_Dragon
09/15/19 2:54:46 PM
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I was just thinking on how gamefaqs is such prime real estate for more media sharing. Not for profit, but because the community is healthy, but very small compared to the new standards, and there's nothing really "in the way" of setting up your video sharing site here, while still giving you an audience/participant pool.
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Colorahdo
09/15/19 2:59:28 PM
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I'm very surprised there aren't viable YouTube alternatives, since YT is such an ad ridden mess these days

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tullock
09/15/19 3:09:26 PM
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SiO4 posted...
tullock posted...
I think the fair use doctrine would cover a lot of instances though.


Ya, all of that is beyond my paygrade. Try posting some Bob Dylan music and see how long it takes for them to request that you take it down. idk. Either way, I will check the site. I do love the ease of ImgTC..


Something like that would be a takedown if it's just the video itself, unless it is a critique or satire then it'd be covered.

Evening_Dragon posted...
I was just thinking on how gamefaqs is such prime real estate for more media sharing. Not for profit, but because the community is healthy, but very small compared to the new standards, and there's nothing really "in the way" of setting up your video sharing site here, while still giving you an audience/participant pool.


Exactly. I'd like the growth to be just a little on the slow side in the beginning so the infrastructure isn't overwhelmed right away. Plus it cuts down on operating costs too. But there are definitely enough users here that it could be active at least from the start.

Colorahdo posted...
I'm very surprised there aren't viable YouTube alternatives, since YT is such an ad ridden mess these days


Vid.me looked promising for a while but then they shut down. I remember they had integrated I think Patreon into their site so users could donate directly to the channel owner. That's also something I am going to work on including as well.
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tremain07
09/15/19 3:47:54 PM
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tullock posted...
Hate speech isn't going to be tolerated, and I will have a more concise definition of that for the release. I certainly am not going to censor different political viewpoints, but if it crosses the line into slurs or attacks against people, that won't be allowed. Porn and illegal content such as murders and whatnot won't be allowed either. If it's an educational video about sex, it'll have appropriate filters, same with violence/gore like you'd see in an R movie. I'm going to have a very in depth page detailing what kind of content will be allowed

Best of luck because people will find loopholes or post awful horrible things just to mess with you or as some form of protest
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MarqueeSeries
09/15/19 3:53:32 PM
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Signed up. I had mentioned wanting to get a series of educational videos going for math and physics related topics, and I'd be glad for them to be a part of your platform
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tullock
09/15/19 4:04:01 PM
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tremain07 posted...
tullock posted...
Hate speech isn't going to be tolerated, and I will have a more concise definition of that for the release. I certainly am not going to censor different political viewpoints, but if it crosses the line into slurs or attacks against people, that won't be allowed. Porn and illegal content such as murders and whatnot won't be allowed either. If it's an educational video about sex, it'll have appropriate filters, same with violence/gore like you'd see in an R movie. I'm going to have a very in depth page detailing what kind of content will be allowed

Best of luck because people will find loopholes or post awful horrible things just to mess with you or as some form of protest


I'm expecting some level of abuse, and I'll do what I can on the backend to monitor and prevent it. There's always troublemakers out there.

MarqueeSeries posted...
Signed up. I had mentioned wanting to get a series of educational videos going for math and physics related topics, and I'd be glad for them to be a part of your platform


Nice, I remember you mentioning that in the first topic I made. When were you thinking of doing them?
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Caelthus
09/15/19 4:15:27 PM
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tullock posted...
think the fair use doctrine would cover a lot of instances though.
I'd say a good 95% of things people claim as "fair use", would not actually meet the requirements for it, to be honest. People often think "fair use" means "upload anything and you can deal with it", or "change literally one note in a song", etc.

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tullock
09/15/19 5:14:26 PM
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True. That will need a pretty detailed section in the tos for sure.
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KogaSteelfang
09/15/19 5:19:01 PM
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Nice! I hope it takes off and does fantastic.
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Sad_Face
09/15/19 5:28:10 PM
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Have you considered looking into Blockchain tech so you can be the Youtube of the blockchain?
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tullock
09/15/19 8:12:54 PM
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KogaSteelfang posted...
Nice! I hope it takes off and does fantastic.


Thank you!

Sad_Face posted...
Have you considered looking into Blockchain tech so you can be the Youtube of the blockchain?


I have, but I'm hesitant to do that because I'm not familiar enough with blockchain technology and right now it seems too unstable to base the website around. I think bitchute does but I hardly ever use that.
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tullock
09/15/19 9:13:46 PM
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berlyman101
09/15/19 11:43:12 PM
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Vyrulisse
09/15/19 11:43:57 PM
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inloveanddeath0
09/15/19 11:47:46 PM
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MarqueeSeries posted...
Signed up. I had mentioned wanting to get a series of educational videos going for math and physics related topics, and I'd be glad for them to be a part of your platform
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Banjo2553
09/15/19 11:51:52 PM
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Sounds pretty cool to me. I have a Youtube channel, it's not so hot in terms of views and subscribers right now but I've been frequently posting gaming videos on there.
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Aristoph
09/15/19 11:58:40 PM
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Signed up for the e-mail list. I figure I might as well. ImgTC is fantastic, and even if I don't end up actually posting anything on this new site (I hardly use my YouTube at all aside for occasional game clips or submitting to things like WASDCommunity), it can't hurt to have an account and be there from the ground floor.

Hope things go smoothly for you, TC. Keep up the good work! ^_^
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SiO4
09/16/19 4:21:28 AM
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Maybe reach out to this guy.
I find his content mesmerizing.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBkcw8h7epT_bK0QzuY2Bmg
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biggernails
09/16/19 4:25:31 AM
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will this be a lucrative adventure?
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MrMallard
09/16/19 4:32:34 AM
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The cynical side of me is resigned to this platform becoming a haven for right-wing content like conspiracy theories or like barely veiled threats/attacks - considering the more extreme side of CE. But the idea of a new YouTube alternative is exciting, and I want to give it a shot.

Also, imgtc is fantastic like everyone else is saying. So this seems extra rad.
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tullock
09/16/19 12:28:00 PM
#31:


Thank you very much everyone!

SiO4 posted...
Maybe reach out to this guy.
I find his content mesmerizing.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBkcw8h7epT_bK0QzuY2Bmg


Will definitely check it out when I get back from work, thank you!

biggernails posted...
will this be a lucrative adventure?


Hopefully enough that it'll stay in the black. Crushing Google is more of a long term plan haha

MrMallard posted...
The cynical side of me is resigned to this platform becoming a haven for right-wing content like conspiracy theories or like barely veiled threats/attacks - considering the more extreme side of CE. But the idea of a new YouTube alternative is exciting, and I want to give it a shot.

Also, imgtc is fantastic like everyone else is saying. So this seems extra rad.


Much appreciated. I'm definitely aware it could take that alt-right turn, they latch onto whatever claims no censorship it seems. It certainly won't turn into something like gab.ai
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tullock
09/16/19 9:54:52 PM
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bump
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tullock
09/17/19 10:53:30 AM
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Morning bump
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tullock
09/18/19 8:06:44 PM
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