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Skye Reynolds 09/15/19 11:42:38 PM #1: |
A frog saying "feels good man" was a meme on the internet for a long time.
Then, one day, it became associated with white supremacists, the alt right, and that dude who got sucker punched for espousing racist shit. I never really got the meme to begin with, but why did it take off with racists? What made it click with them that this random frog who looks stoned should be a symbol of white supremacy? Also, I feel bad for the frog's creator. I'd hate it if something I created became appropriated by the worst of the worst. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ledbowman 09/15/19 11:43:31 PM #2: |
Same way the ok sign did
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk 09/15/19 11:43:42 PM #3: |
4chan just memed it into one and people believed 4chan is le evil nazi secret club so it must be a nazi symbol
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viewmaster_pi 09/15/19 11:45:11 PM #4: |
alt-right liked it more than doge
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inloveanddeath0 09/15/19 11:50:52 PM #5: |
The ok sign was a game when I was in high school. So annoying that it's become associated differently now. It's still an emote on probably every phone. Maybe people should also stop assuming that's what it's purpose is instead of the idiots making it look bad
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Blue_Inigo 09/15/19 11:51:42 PM #6: |
A lot of racist assholes appropriated it
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Skye Reynolds 09/15/19 11:53:53 PM #7: |
viewmaster_pi posted...
alt-right liked it more than doge Which is odd because Hitler loved dogs. It doesn't justify the atrocities he committed against humans. It doesn't absolve him of any guilt. It doesn't make him a person with some good and some bad. He was an out and out monster and perhaps the very worst in human history. But, simply for the record, he did like animals. Dogs in particular. I guess if they had to steal one meme, I'm glad they picked the lesser of the two. The doge meme has its charm. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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the_rowan 09/15/19 11:55:05 PM #8: |
Meanwhile over on other sites like Twitch, via FrankerFaceZ and BetterTTV, there's like a thousand emotes of Pepe: PepeHands, Feels[Good/Bad/Weird/OK]Man, POGGERS, COGGERS, widepeepoHappy, monka(S/GIGA/Gun/SSS/H or any of the other 100 variations of that emote...), pepeL, PepeLaugh, Pepega... A site that tracks their usage says that POGGERS, which turns 2 years old later this month since first upload, has already passed 30 million uses. monkaS turns 3 later this month and is at 50 million.
And none of those are used to be racist. It's literally just a matter of journalists seeing one particular window into something and not understanding that 4chan both generates memes and is racist in independent but overlapping spaces. --- "That is why war is so tragic. To win means to make victims of your opponents and give birth to hatred." - Kratos Aurion, Tales of Symphonia ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingArthur3D 09/15/19 11:55:47 PM #9: |
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Cosmic_Diabetic 09/15/19 11:56:05 PM #10: |
Appropriation.
Same with the term incel. Both things were created by people with innocent intentions and then taken by radicals. Really makes you think. You could create something that really isn't political in nature and has no malice to it and within 5 years the thing you created is the figurehead of domestic terrorists. --- Others find humanity by looking in their own hearts. Only lost souls need to search for it outside themselves." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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inloveanddeath0 09/15/19 11:56:16 PM #11: |
the_rowan posted...
Meanwhile over on other sites like Twitch, via FrankerFaceZ and BetterTTV, there's like a thousand emotes of Pepe: PepeHands, Feels[Good/Bad/Weird/OK]Man, POGGERS, COGGERS, widepeepoHappy, monka(S/GIGA/Gun/SSS/H or any of the other 100 variations of that emote...). A site that tracks their usage says that POGGERS, which turns 2 years old later this month since first upload, has already passed 30 million uses. monkaS turns 3 later this month and is at 50 million.Pretty much this --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ledbowman 09/15/19 11:57:34 PM #12: |
It's about the deniability of it being racist since "it just a cartoon" or "it just circle gaem"
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specialkid8 09/15/19 11:59:12 PM #13: |
People still haven't learned not to take 4chan seriously. Then actual (maybe?) white supremacists started using it as a symbol to troll the libs rather than an actual symbol of hate. Basically it's meaningless and everyone is stupid.
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inloveanddeath0 09/16/19 12:00:17 AM #14: |
ledbowman posted...
It's about the deniability of it being racist since "it just a cartoon" or "it just circle gaem"What are you actually trying to say here? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skye Reynolds 09/16/19 12:02:19 AM #15: |
KingArthur3D posted...
That image brings up another question. What is it with the Klan and Neo Nazis in America thinking of themselves as honorary Nazis? The Nazis were at war with the entire US. That includes the former Confederate States and any factions therein. Had Nazi Germany managed to invade the US, I don't think the Nazis would have seen them as allies behind enemy lines but rather as a conquered people. Nobody accused Neo Nazis and like-minded bigots of being smart, but it's pretty naive on their part to think that Nazi Germany was at war with everyone but them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ledbowman 09/16/19 12:03:45 AM #16: |
Skye Reynolds posted...
KingArthur3D posted... They're not thinking about ww2, they're thinking about hating minorities --- I wish we all waved ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skye Reynolds 09/16/19 12:13:31 AM #17: |
ledbowman posted...
They're not thinking about ww2, they're thinking about hating minorities Honoring a wartime enemy who means them harm though is as foolish as it gets. It's like being trapped in a cabin with someone they dislike and thinking the angry bear that has them trapped is their friend because it might eat the person they're trapped with. It's like, "No, stupid. You're in the path of danger too." Hitler wouldn't have appreciated the groveling of the few narrow-minded Americans who pledged themselves to the Nazi cause. He'd have viewed them the way he saw all he set out to conquer in spite of their espoused allegiance. But then I guess it goes back to that whole notion that, if they were smart, they wouldn't be consumed with needless hatred anyway. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ledbowman 09/16/19 12:30:32 AM #18: |
Yeah they're idiots man
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Questionmarktarius 09/16/19 12:47:10 AM #19: |
So, um, is milk still a white nationalist symbol?
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viewmaster_pi 09/16/19 12:48:14 AM #20: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
So, um, is milk still a white nationalist symbol?duh --- Lorem ipsum ... Copied to Clipboard!
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muchdran 09/16/19 12:49:35 AM #21: |
Liberals are crazy?
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IShall_Run_Amok 09/16/19 12:50:30 AM #22: |
KingArthur3D posted...
I like how the Nazis seem to be screaming girlishly, and how the wrench that Uncle Sam is gonna smack 'em with is bigger than they are. --- I'm just like a katana hot tin roof ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ricemills 09/16/19 12:51:46 AM #23: |
the people who refused Pepe is a symbol for white supremacist usually also believed that Swastika is a peace symbol.
what matters is the context of use. like Cross symbolized Christianity, but in the middle age it's a symbol of terror to non-Christians. --- You have the right to remain silent. anything you post will be misquoted, then be used against you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 09/16/19 12:52:14 AM #24: |
IShall_Run_Amok posted...
I like how the Nazis seem to be screaming girlishly, and how the wrench that Uncle Sam is gonna smack 'em with is bigger than they are. Even under the hoods, the Klan guys look confused. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Serious Cat 09/16/19 3:34:56 AM #25: |
inloveanddeath0 posted...
ledbowman posted...It's about the deniability of it being racist since "it just a cartoon" or "it just circle gaem"What are you actually trying to say here? He's saying that choosing symbols with no inherent racist meaning is deliberate specifically so they can deny intent. "Nope. Just a big group of guys who happen to like this frog cartoon." --- I are Serious Cat This is serious thread ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Delirious_Beard 09/16/19 4:08:32 AM #26: |
specialkid8 posted...
People still haven't learned not to take 4chan seriously. Then actual (maybe?) white supremacists started using it as a symbol to troll the libs rather than an actual symbol of hate. Basically it's meaningless and everyone is stupid. we really gonna act like /pol/ is completely harmless now --- https://i.imgtc.com/hB9W4JK.gif You act like I don't know my own way home ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HollowKnail 09/16/19 4:10:36 AM #27: |
it's not, except when it is used that way
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specialkid8 09/16/19 8:01:25 AM #28: |
Skye Reynolds posted...
KingArthur3D posted... You act like Germany didn't have native Nazi police forces in every country they occupied. Nobody knows what a true blooded Nazi would think about modern white trash bigots but the Germans weren't some evil alien army bent on world destruction. They were just an invading army which, when you're fighting the entire world, needs every ally they can get. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 09/16/19 8:04:49 AM #29: |
inloveanddeath0 posted...
The ok sign was a game when I was in high school. So annoying that it's become associated differently now. It's still an emote on probably every phone. Maybe people should also stop assuming that's what it's purpose is instead of the idiots making it look badThat one had other issues dating back decades. It's considered a rude gesture in South America. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ssjevot 09/16/19 8:08:03 AM #30: |
The same way the swastika/manji became associated with Nazis. I see them all the time here in Japan and it's only ever related to Buddhism, not Nazis. But it has been associated with Nazis to such a degree in the West that most people don't even know about the history of it.
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hockeybub89 09/16/19 8:09:20 AM #31: |
Blue_Inigo posted...
A lot of racist assholes appropriated it --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HollowKnail 09/16/19 8:14:07 AM #32: |
hockeybub89 posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...A lot of racist assholes appropriated it fuck em. remember how the blacks took back the n-word? and how gay people took back certain terms like "queer"? Why can't we apply that logic now and not let them win? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ryuko_Chan 09/16/19 8:15:59 AM #33: |
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HollowKnail 09/16/19 8:17:13 AM #35: |
Ryuko_Chan posted...
same way as the swastika I don't think so. 4chan trolls are trying to neuter our ability to communicate by intentionally trying to force people to believe it is an offensive symbol. EVeryone loses ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ryuko_Chan 09/16/19 8:18:11 AM #36: |
HollowKnail posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...same way as the swastika the meme was literally always cringe reclaim momiji instead --- https://i.imgtc.com/LCLKlZX.gif Life Fiber Kamui SENKETSU! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 09/16/19 8:18:25 AM #37: |
HollowKnail posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...same way as the swastika It's a cartoon frog meme. The Nazis can keep it. nbd --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HollowKnail 09/16/19 8:19:24 AM #38: |
Ryuko_Chan posted...
the meme was literally always cringe I don't agree. Everyone deserves to be able to express their feelings in a way ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kingdrake2 09/16/19 8:20:14 AM #39: |
hockeybub89 posted...
HollowKnail posted...Ryuko_Chan posted...same way as the swastika we want it back from them. fuckers ruined it. --- The act of treachery is an art, but the traitor himself is a piece of **** - Mike Tyson ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HollowKnail 09/16/19 8:21:32 AM #40: |
kingdrake2 posted...
we want it back from them. fuckers ruined it. I agree ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Southernfatman 09/16/19 8:24:27 AM #41: |
KingArthur3D posted...
"Man, why didn't the allies just talk it out with Hitler? Why did they have to be violent assholes against what's only a difference in opinion?" As for the topic at hand, what's stopping them from taking pretty much anything? Hell, now the Betsy Ross flag is racist now. --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kalavinka 09/16/19 8:29:47 AM #42: |
specialkid8 posted...
People still haven't learned not to take 4chan seriously. Then actual (maybe?) white supremacists started using it as a symbol to troll the libs rather than an actual symbol of hate. Basically it's meaningless and everyone is stupid. Old 4chan hates /pol/ because they take themselves too seriously and somehow managed to convince outsiders to do the same --- It is, as some admiral once said, a trap. Twitter: Kalavinka92 / PSN: UltimaSpark50 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ricemills 09/16/19 8:35:43 AM #43: |
kingdrake2 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...HollowKnail posted...Ryuko_Chan posted...same way as the swastika the creator has "killed" it when he learned that the neo nazis using his cartoon. he even donated the profit made from the usage of that cartoon to ADL. --- You have the right to remain silent. anything you post will be misquoted, then be used against you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MI4 REAL 09/16/19 8:36:43 AM #44: |
Same way the Swastika did.
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HollowKnail 09/16/19 8:36:48 AM #45: |
you can still use pepe, just don't use the nazi variants
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