Current Events > Homosexual Muslims launch first ever gay Muslim pride festival

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SpiritSephiroth posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Almost as if you guys simply hate them all and would rather see them murdered for trying to change their religion or something...

Almost if changing a religion is sacrilege or something. Oh wait.

So what you're saying is.

Everyone should do be doing what these guys are doing.

Awesome I agree.
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

So what you're saying is.

Everyone should do be doing what these guys are doing.

Awesome I agree.

Change a whole religion for a few people. That'll go well. It'll never happen lol


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SpiritSephiroth posted...

Change a whole religion for a few people. That'll go well. It'll never happen lol

It's not like there's a few thousand Christian denominations or anything...

SpiritSephiroth posted...

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

So what you're saying is.

Everyone should do be doing what these guys are doing.

Awesome I agree.

Change a whole religion for a few people. That'll go well. It'll never happen lol

I already agreed with you earlier though, you don't have to keep convincing me that this is a good thing.
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SpiritSephiroth posted...

If they're actually muslims their whole way of life is contradictory.

Aye, neary a true Scotsman would 'ere do such a thing

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

Islam states clearly in strong words that it's against homosexuality so I don't understand this. It's diametrically opposed to it.

that's very debatable . You're oversimplying a lot and leading me to wonder if you've even read Islamic texts or attended services

t some point you have to pick what you believe in because this doesn't make sense.

they have picked what they believe. You're just too close minded to comprehend it

intentionally so I think

It also says that Man can't make what is Haram, Halal and vice versa so this doesn't in anyway represent Islam

Why not?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Aye, neary a true Scotsman would 'ere do such a thing

that's very debatable . You're oversimplying a lot and leading me to wonder if you've even read Islamic texts or attended services

they have picked what they believe. You're just too close minded to comprehend it

intentionally so I think

Why not?

This is why I dont bother debating on CE.

I mean what the hell is this post? "why not?" "Very debatable" "Oversimplyfying" "true scotsman".

I think its plain obvious why Islam and Gays don't mix. Anyone can see it. You're just being pedantic for the sake of being pedantic.

Or if you really think you do have a semblance of an argument in how homosexuality can be compatible with Islam, then you really are delusional dude.

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Shadowplay posted...

Cognitive dissonance can be pretty damn insane.

Did you seriously post this in an Unfair Represent topic? LMAO.

SpiritSephiroth posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Aye, neary a true Scotsman would 'ere do such a thing

that's very debatable . You're oversimplying a lot and leading me to wonder if you've even read Islamic texts or attended services

they have picked what they believe. You're just too close minded to comprehend it

intentionally so I think

Why not?

This is why I dont bother debating on CE.

Because you get exposed super quick?

I mean your terror at being asked if you've read scripture or attended service to me strongly implies a no, and that all your knowledge comes from things random people have told you online.

I mean what the hell is this post? "why not?" "Very debatable" "Oversimplyfying" "true scotsman".

Well you made an unquantified statement (Which you still haven't been able to unpack)

Stated a very very questionable opinion as a fact with nothing to back it.

And then pulled the No True Scotsman fallacy (Aka claiming all those you don't like don't count as a group just because they are arbitrarily not 'true' or 'real')

I think its plain obvious why Islam and Gays don't mix. Anyone can see it. You're just being pedantic for the sake of being pedantic.

Or if you really think you do have a semblance of an argument in how homosexuality can be compatible with Islam,

Yes.

So do these millions of people.

The only ones who don't are the political authorities who are killing them and like you are utterly terrified of actually discussing it.

Might want to think on that. Why is it that if your stance is as powerful and ironclad as you think it is, are you and the people who are unable to actually explain why.

then you really are delusional dude.

Maybe, but I've raised like 17 points.

You've raised 0, ran away from basic concepts and insulted me.

So gonna "no u" on that one.
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Why is UR always contrarian? This goes beyond the realms of gimmicks and into the world of being genuinely offensive
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SH_expert44 posted...

I would be more impressed if they held it in saudi arabia

They would all be dead. They are doing this where they can talk about it afterwards.

One step at a time.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Because you get exposed super quick?

I mean your terror at being asked if you've read scripture or attended service to me strongly implies a no, and that all your knowledge comes from things random people have told you online.

This is hillarious. You know nothing about me.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Yes.

So do these millions of people.

The only ones who don't are the political authorities who are killing them and like you are utterly terrified of actually discussing it.

Might want to think on that. Why is it that if your stance is as powerful and ironclad as you think it is, are you and the people who are unable to actually explain why.

I know why it wont be compatible. Muslims who live with culture that has literally grown with Islam embedded into it will not accept any changes like that. Firstly because its against the scripture and hadiths. Secondly, its seen as a sin, plain and simple. You cant change a fundamental point in a religion when it goes against so many teachings.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Maybe, but I've raised like 17 points.

You've raised 0, ran away from basic concepts and insulted me.

So gonna "no u" on that one.

Have you been to a Muslim country? Have you been to a mosque? Most Muslims disagree with homosexuals, but in the west they really couldn't give less of a crap about what they do. But the tipping point is if you try to change Islam itself and invite those idealogies into it. Thats when there will be a huge backlash.

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creativerealms posted...

They would all be dead. They are doing this where they can talk about it afterwards.

One step at a time.

but only extremist would threaten their lives. majority muslim aren't extremists. they are in no danger being in saudi arabia.

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Also I want to know what your exposure to Islam really is @UnfairRepresent .

Have you just read online and regurgitated a few arguments or have you actually experienced different cultures influenced by Islam?

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SpiritSephiroth posted...

Most Muslims disagree with homosexuals, but in the west they really couldn't give less of a crap about what they do.

The UK has had some problems this year with majority muslim communities pulling their children out of public school for teaching gay marriage acceptance. In that regard, the UK muslim community having a pride parade is kind of important so they can sort out their priorities.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/mar/04/birmingham-school-stops-lgbt-lessons-after-parent-protests

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ModLogic posted...

but only extremist would threaten their lives. majority muslim aren't extremists. they are in no danger being in saudi arabia.

But theres no point in kicking the hornets nest in trying to change their religion. Thats their way of life, its their scripture and I dont understand why these people think they need to stay Muslim. They're never going to be accepted in Islam.

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s0nicfan posted...

The UK has had some problems this year with majority muslim communities pulling their children out of public school for teaching gay marriage acceptance. In that regard, the UK muslim community having a pride parade is kind of important so they can sort out their priorities.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/mar/04/birmingham-school-stops-lgbt-lessons-after-parent-protests

Exactly. This gets to the point where their children are being taught something contrary to their beliefs and way of life. So if they are so unwilling to have their children taught homosexuality, what makes people think Islam will accept gay Muslims in any way?

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Just to clarify, when I said they dont care, I meant only if it doesn't interfere with their own way of life. A devout muslim wouldnt want his children being taught homosexuality in any way. Whether thats reasonable or not, it depends on your point of view I guess?

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SpiritSephiroth posted...

This is hillarious. You know nothing about me.

I know. Hence how I said things like "implies"

Your utter inability to answer basic questions and your close-mindedness says a lot.

SpiritSephiroth posted...

I know why it wont be compatible. Muslims who live with culture that has literally grown with Islam embedded into it will not accept any changes like that. Firstly because its against the scripture and hadiths. Secondly, its seen as a sin, plain and simple. You cant change a fundamental point in a religion when it goes against so many teachings.

Why not?

We've already seen bigger changes than thay in Muslim countries dozens of times, the Islam of today doesn't match the Islam of 100 years ago, let alone 500, let alone 1,000.

It's also clearly not plain and simple since so many flatly disagree with it... It's not plain or simple at all. You just have a simple understanding

SpiritSephiroth posted...

Have you been to a Muslim country? Have you been to a mosque?

Yes

Most Muslims disagree with homosexuals, but in the west they really couldn't give less of a crap about what they do.

not really. There's still a lot of discrimination in the West. The Government just reels it in

But the tipping point is if you try to change Islam itself and invite those idealogies into it. Thats when there will be a huge backlash.

You've switched horses and done so in a hurry. "There will be backlash" and "they are a living contradiction!" are very different statements.

There was Backlash when the bible was translated to English.

Guess every Christian you know is a living contradiction eh?

Or more likely, the government just changed.

ModLogic posted...

creativerealms posted...

They would all be dead. They are doing this where they can talk about it afterwards.

One step at a time.

but only extremist would threaten their lives. majority muslim aren't extremists. they are in no danger being in saudi arabia.

They are in exetreme danger in Suadi Arabia, as are a lot of people. It's corrupt as fuck there

SpiritSephiroth posted...

I agree. But theres no point in kicking the hornets nest in trying to change their religion. Thats their way of life,

Wow that's a horrible attitude

its their scripture and I dont understand why these people think they need to stay Muslim. They're never going to be accepted in Islam.

They're already being accepted and they "Stay Muslim" because they believe in Islam

Why do you find it so hard to understand this?
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ModLogic posted...

creativerealms posted...

They would all be dead. They are doing this where they can talk about it afterwards.

One step at a time.

but only extremist would threaten their lives. majority muslim aren't extremists. they are in no danger being in saudi arabia.

Sadly the people in charge of the country are the extremists. Until that changes their lives are in danger.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I mean your terror at being asked if you've read scripture or attended service

you need to chill, and you need to do it right now.

creativerealms posted...

ModLogic posted...

creativerealms posted...

They would all be dead. They are doing this where they can talk about it afterwards.

One step at a time.

but only extremist would threaten their lives. majority muslim aren't extremists. they are in no danger being in saudi arabia.

Sadly the people in charge of the country are the extremists. Until that changes their lives are in danger.

and we call Saudi Arabia allies :(
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