Current Events > 43 percent of white harvard students used a special admissions dispensation

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://twitter.com/IBJIYONGI/status/1176239582129602561?s=19

aka: Athletes, children of former students or children of donors and faculty. Only a quarter of that 43 would have been admitted under normal circumstances.

b-b-but I thought it was all poor brown people who were cheating the system to get into Harvard!

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gg whites
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Honestly I wish I was white. Can you imagine the advantages I would get in life?
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I'm sure the "pro-meritocracy" crowd will be all over this!

Flockaveli posted...

gg whites

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does community college transfers count on this list?
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I've said something along these lines in every topic I bothered arguing this on CE, and that's not a self-brag since it's a conclusion anybody with an IQ above 100 could figure out unless they were willingly being ignorant. It's dead ass obvious to anyone who attended college or talked to others who went through the process that it's only a meritocracy for a small percentage of the student population. For everyone else, it's legacy admissions, having money, athletic scholarships, or the big bad somehow only for dark skinned minorities affirmative action taking up all of the spots that could have gone to all da countless smart white students even though they somehow always seem to make up an alarmingly small percentage of the overall student population. But yeah AA is still somehow the number one problem preventing a meritocracy

I sure can't wait for our good friend Coffeebeanz who clearly thinks out every post she makes and never gets flamed to hell over it to pull out another dumbass graph showing raw percentages of race admissions for medical school that don't take into account other obvious factors like how many people applied to the school or what school it was since the prestige of the school drastically affects admissions.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

https://twitter.com/IBJIYONGI/status/1176239582129602561?s=19

aka: Athletes, children of former students or children of donors and faculty. Only a quarter of that 43 would have been admitted under normal circumstances.

b-b-but I thought it was all poor brown people who were cheating the system to get into Harvard!

Its ok when white people do it, according to conservatives

Tc, are you also going to be complain when you get fairly modded again
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

Tc, are you also going to be complain when you get fairly modded again

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MacadamianNut3 posted...

I've said something along these lines in every topic I bothered arguing this on CE, and that's not a self-brag since it's a conclusion anybody with an IQ above 100 could figure out unless they were willingly being ignorant. It's dead ass obvious to anyone who attended college or talked to others who went through the process that it's only a meritocracy for a small percentage of the student population. For everyone else, it's legacy admissions, having money, athletic scholarships, or the big bad somehow only for dark skinned minorities affirmative action taking up all of the spots that could have gone to all da countless smart white students even though they somehow always seem to make up an alarmingly small percentage of the overall student population. But yeah AA is still somehow the number one problem preventing a meritocracy

I sure can't wait for our good friend Coffeebeanz who clearly thinks out every post she makes and never gets flamed to hell over it to pull out another dumbass graph showing raw percentages of race admissions for medical school that don't take into account other obvious factors like how many people applied to the school or what school it was since the prestige of the school drastically affects admissions.

Nope I pretty much agree with what you just said

Literally everyone in my med school class was a legacy student except for me, and it was pretty disturbing.
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EliteC posted...

RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

Tc, are you also going to be complain when you get fairly modded again

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True he is. But we'll just let nature take the course
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Benify posted...

Honestly I wish I was white. Can you imagine the advantages I would get in life?

Sometimes I get the impression that I should feel bad for it or that people that look like me are always the oppressor, so that makes me on occasion wish that I wasn't.

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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

EliteC posted...

RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

Tc, are you also going to be complain when you get fairly modded again

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True he is. But we'll just let nature take the course

No u

Used a what
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EliteC posted...

RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

EliteC posted...

RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

Tc, are you also going to be complain when you get fairly modded again

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True he is. But we'll just let nature take the course

No u

What
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

Tc, are you also going to be complain when you get fairly modded again

I'm sorry you snitched to the mods and they used a technicality to suspend me when all they could've done was delete the topic and request I post a different source...like when I posted a topic that had the picture of the N word uncensored...but when you discuss certain topics that make certain people uncomfortable and defensive, well...it be like that sometimes

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It "be like" logic, my good poster.
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These are the same students that probably complain about affirmative action

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SquantoZ posted...

These are the same students that probably complain about affirmative action

nah, their parents just bankroll the court cases of students who do.

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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

It "be like" logic, my good poster.

Yikes

Malfunction posted...

Yikes

it's like a fedora learned that learned to type

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But remember guise white people are the REAL victims of racism /s
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Malfunction posted...

RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

It "be like" logic, my good poster.

Yikes

What's yikes?
Me pointing out that being racist is getting TC modded?
Or me pointing out that it's logical TC gets modded when he's racist?

Give me a hand up here, my good poster.
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

What's yikes?
Me pointing out that being racist is getting TC modded?
Or me pointing out that it's logical TC gets modded when he's racist?

Give me a hand up here, my good poster.

Maybe it's your inability to limit your asshurt to a handful of posts. Are you gonna make 10 more posts about how much you don't like TC as some kind of weird deflection while making no points relevant to the topic at hand.

Maybe TC likes someone who is more upfront and you can try PMing him to get your point across to him, and save everyone else this schoolyard love affair
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So basically what your issue is is me pointing out the racism
Is that it?
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fuck these people imo

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Some details from the study:

Note that the total share of admits that belong to one of the ALDC groups is 29%

ALDC here is "athletes, legacy, Dean's list, and faculty", and among regular students, AKA the remaining 71% of the student body, black students area admitted at over 60% higher rates than white students (4.89 vs 7.58) - see table 3 in the study. Regular students also recieve financial aid at a rate of 73% to 93% whites vs blacks (table 4).

In fact, regular non ALDC black applicants made up the HIGHEST group in terms of acceptance among any group in the study, even though they are BY FAR the largest group to apply with poor grades (9% with an academic score of 2 or higher vs the next lowest being 16 for Hispanic, around 45 for whites and 60% for asians) (table 5).

They also mess with the data considerably by looking at "NON ALDC" versus "LDC" and cutting athlete admissions out of their accept rates for some reason. They leave Athletics out of most of their analyses entirely when comparing rates, until all the way down in table 10 where you can see that ALDC black students are actually accepted at a higher rate than their peers.

If you look at their analysis of what admissions would look like with "preferences removed", but keeping affirmative action, black students in every category would see admissions rates twice that of white students.

So maybe it's just me, but its almost like the TC is pushing an agenda not backed by the data at all....
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Lol, but privilege doesnt exist
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s0nicfan posted...

So maybe it's just me, but its almost like the TC is pushing an agenda not backed by the data at all....

Don't ever read the articles or google for your own accurate sources in TC's topics. You'll be very disappointed that he's lying.

Thank you for not being me though and posting that. Last time I exposed TC as an agenda spammer I got flamed by him
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s0nicfan posted...

If you look at their analysis of what admissions would look like with "preferences removed", but keeping affirmative action, black students in every category would see admissions rates twice that of white students.

How many black students are applying in the first place? I haven't been in college since 2013, but I went to a high ranked school and I was one of the 2 black guys in my major, if you combine 2 class years. The school was still dominated by white folks in undergrad, and grad school was even more dominated by Indians and Asians.

Mind you, this is an engineering school, you HAVE to do some discrimination if you want a balanced gender ratio at the very least. And this is important for a good school atmosphere. At one engineering school a friend of mine went to, it's was something like 8:2 in favor of boys. The women there, regardless of their looks, were treated like queens and acted so due to the sheer amount of attention they got. Do you really want to spend your 4 years in that kind of world?
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I see a reason to separate athletes from other preferential admissions, at least conceptually. Student athletes at least get that moniker from their own merit, even if that merit isn't academic

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Balrog0 posted...

I see a reason to separate athletes from other preferential admissions, at least conceptually. Student athletes at least get that moniker from their own merit, even if that merit isn't academic

Unless I misunderstand what the D stands for in ALDC, presumably all of the Dean's List kids are getting in on Merit as well. There's no reason to include that and not Athletics, especially when you're doing things like comparing non ALDC to ALDC but then excluding Athletics from that comparison.
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

Don't ever read the articles

Yeah I'm not buying the notion that you or sonicfan read through a 71 page paper released less than two weeks ago and then a 38 page paper in preparation for this topic since that's what was linked

But feel free to keep on preaching about not reading something you also didn't read
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MacadamianNut3 posted...

But feel free to keep on preaching about not reading something you also didn't read

So your first post didn't get me so this is round two?
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Asians get the shaft again, and no one is talking about it. Only group that doesn't get an easy way in, and even worse, must meet higher standards to do it.
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s0nicfan posted...

Unless I misunderstand what the D stands for in ALDC, presumably all of the Dean's List kids are getting in on Merit as well. There's no reason to include that and not Athletics, especially when you're doing things like comparing non ALDC to ALDC but then excluding Athletics from that comparison.

"As indicated in the Day 3 Trial Transcript, the deans interest list contains a set of applicants that is of special importance to the dean of admissions. In particular, this list will include applicants whose parents have donated to Harvard, and applicants whose relatives have donated to Harvard."

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Balrog0 posted...

I see a reason to separate athletes from other preferential admissions, at least conceptually. Student athletes at least get that moniker from their own merit, even if that merit isn't academic

Yeah athletic merit for diverse sports such as rowing or croquet...

Squall28 posted...

Asians get the shaft again, and no one is talking about it. Only group that doesn't get an easy way in, and even worse, must meet higher standards to do it.

Yet its the group fighting to have less brown/black people and more white people into the ivy leagues lol

MacadamianNut3 posted...

RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

Don't ever read the articles

Yeah I'm not buying the notion that you or sonicfan read through a 71 page paper released less than two weeks ago and then a 38 page paper in preparation for this topic since that's what was linked

But feel free to keep on preaching about not reading something you also didn't read

I cited specific tables in the report. If you're really unhappy with the conclusion, then maybe go to the report and compare the results and tell me where I got something wrong.

But that would be work, so instead you're just going to read none of it.
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

So your first post didn't get me so this is round two?

Well I can't help but notice that after that post, your empty bitching towards TC stopped and sonicfan finally gave you something to piggyback on as another channel for revenge or whatever it is you're doing right now. Maybe both of those lining up is just coincidence but it looks like I finally made difference in this world.

I have a whole lot of snark in my tank too, but let's try to stay on topic if it's not too hard for you. I don't have the time right now to read through 100 pages while at work, but I'll be sure to check back in when I do and also see who else you can piggyback on since babby can't make his own arguments it seems.

But that would be work, so instead you're just going to read none of it.
Darn 4 seconds too slow. Yeah I'm not gonna spend an hour combing through 100 pages of things unrelated to work at 10am on a weekday for an internet argument. Ya got me
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MacadamianNut3 posted...

Well I can't help but notice that after that post, your empty b****ing towards TC stopped

So you're the alt of TC? Or did you just get asked to withdraw reality from him?
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EliteC posted...

Squall28 posted...

Asians get the shaft again, and no one is talking about it. Only group that doesn't get an easy way in, and even worse, must meet higher standards to do it.

Yet its the group fighting to have less brown/black people and more white people into the ivy leagues lol

Source?
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Squall28 posted...

EliteC posted...

Squall28 posted...

Asians get the shaft again, and no one is talking about it. Only group that doesn't get an easy way in, and even worse, must meet higher standards to do it.

Yet its the group fighting to have less brown/black people and more white people into the ivy leagues lol

Source?

Source: not living under a rock lol.

But seriously look at all of the lawsuits that Asian groups have been getting to SCOTUS to end affirmative action

Elizabeth Warren

LOL
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them bootstraps.
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So glad the college admissions process is going through the ringer

Hopefully they land on a pure meritocracy, that way we can hear even more bitching when the outcome isnt what we want it to be

Romes187 posted...

So glad the college admissions process is going through the ringer

Hopefully they land on a pure meritocracy, that way we can hear even more bitching when the outcome isnt what we want it to be

clamoring for pure meritocracy at the collegiate level is absurd when american primary education is filled with racial bias.


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FrisbeeDude posted...

Romes187 posted...

So glad the college admissions process is going through the ringer

Hopefully they land on a pure meritocracy, that way we can hear even more bitching when the outcome isnt what we want it to be

clamoring for pure meritocracy at the collegiate level is absurd when american primary education is filled with racial bias.

Right forgot about that. What percentages by race should we keep it to?

I feel having race quotas will help end racism.

FrisbeeDude posted...

https://twitter.com/IBJIYONGI/status/1176239582129602561?s=19

aka: Athletes, children of former students or children of donors and faculty. Only a quarter of that 43 would have been admitted under normal circumstances.

b-b-but I thought it was all poor brown people who were cheating the system to get into Harvard!

So, 57% of white people got in on merit alone, and another 12% would have?

What percent of any other non-asian race would get in solely on merit?
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