Current Events > The future is bleak for major cities.

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/05/success/podshare-co-living/index.html

How can people live like this? These people need to move somewhere else where the cost of living is lower, the cost of living is too high in San Fransisco and it's filthy in a lot of areas. Also it's $1200 a month for no privacy and no space at all, they are living in concentration camp conditions for a premium price.
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Leftists want even larger mega-cities so that we can get rid of "suburban sprawl" and all be one giant happy family living right next to each other all the time.

Like sardines in a can. Ridiculous.
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It's better than dealing with the morning traffic, I guess.

You'd have to be a fucking moron or weirdo to personally feel great living in those things by choice.
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pls posted...

Leftists want even larger mega-cities so that we can get rid of "suburban sprawl" and all be one giant happy family living right next to each other all the time.

Like sardines in a can. Ridiculous.

Oh yeah!? Rightists want even bigger mega meta cities

I moved to a town 20 times smaller than my big city and I've never been happier

It's not like there isn't anything in a town with 100,000 people, I don't understand why people live in those big cities

"the high paying jobs are there" -- but living in a smaller town you spend like 50% less money...

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It's not like we don't have examples of cities that evolved into this. Tokyo and Hong Kong should serve as warning signs.

In HK you have families of 4 living in 300 sqft apartments. It's bonkers and I think a heavy factor in the unrest going on over there right now.
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Reminds me of the dystopian apartments bruce had in the 5th element.

But a hell of a lot worse, and some hipster flair.
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The Japanese are renting hotel rooms near their job so they don't have to commute and basically only go home on the weekends.

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Tell me about it. I live in Toronto and I'll never own property. Maybe a condo unit in a high rise but even those are ridiculous in price for like 500 square feet.

Can't beat walking to work or having everything in the entire city being open almost 24/7 though. Moving to a small city with no subway to ride and having everything close at 5pm would be boring

Hop103 posted...

These people need to move somewhere else where the cost of living is lower, the cost of living is too high in San Fransisco and it's filthy in a lot of areas.

Because the area has a high population density and they're employed in the area. The area has electricity and running water. Moving out to BFE and commuting an hour+ one way is an equally bad solution.
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Colorahdo posted...

I moved to a town 20 times smaller than my big city and I've never been happier

It's not like there isn't anything in a town with 100,000 people, I don't understand why people live in those big cities

"the high paying jobs are there" -- but living in a smaller town you spend like 50% less money...

Meh. I live in SF and love it. The only people who complain are the ones working dead end jobs like barista, teacher, janitor or non union trades.
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Some industries suck you into big cities. Getting out can be tough.
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Colorahdo posted...

I moved to a town 20 times smaller than my big city and I've never been happier

It's not like there isn't anything in a town with 100,000 people, I don't understand why people live in those big cities

"the high paying jobs are there" -- but living in a smaller town you spend like 50% less money...

You're still in Colorado right? I always thought those small mountain towns had high housing costs
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emblem boy posted...

You're still in Colorado right? I always thought those small mountain towns had high housing costs

I'm in another mountain state now, you're right there isn't really any part of the "nice" part of Colorado that doesn't have very high living costs

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pls posted...

Leftists want even larger mega-cities so that we can get rid of "suburban sprawl" and all be one giant happy family living right next to each other all the time.

Like sardines in a can. Ridiculous.

Yo if we're talking Judge Dredd style mega-cities...I'm fucking down.
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pls posted...

Leftists want even larger mega-cities so that we can get rid of "suburban sprawl" and all be one giant happy family living right next to each other all the time.

Like sardines in a can. Ridiculous.

no one says this
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metralo posted...

pls posted...

Leftists want even larger mega-cities so that we can get rid of "suburban sprawl" and all be one giant happy family living right next to each other all the time.

Like sardines in a can. Ridiculous.

no one says this

obviously the alt right thinks it...
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metralo posted...

pls posted...

Leftists want even larger mega-cities so that we can get rid of "suburban sprawl" and all be one giant happy family living right next to each other all the time.

Like sardines in a can. Ridiculous.

no one says this

I have said I want ultra-high density carless cities. <___<
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metralo posted...

pls posted...

Leftists want even larger mega-cities so that we can get rid of "suburban sprawl" and all be one giant happy family living right next to each other all the time.

Like sardines in a can. Ridiculous.

no one says this

You're fucking lying. The left is all about ultra-dense mega cities and getting rid of suburbs.
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I live in one of the top ten largest cities in the US.
I like the convenience of walking to my destinations, or the ability to use public transit to get where I need to be within a 30 minute commute. I'd be nice to own a car, but density is such where I am that parking spaces may as well be gold.

As with anything it's what creature comforts you find important.
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CNN cartoon news network
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pls posted...

Leftists want even larger mega-cities so that we can get rid of "suburban sprawl" and all be one giant happy family living right next to each other all the time.

Like sardines in a can. Ridiculous.

This is going to fail, the far left don't even get along with each other and often attack their own over the most trivial of things even in real life this is true just like it is on Twitter.
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Clean walkable cities with great public transport are fantastic.

Ultra dense mega cities and banning suburbs and lawns like how @uwnim wants is just a boring dystopia waiting to happen.
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No deposit and no commitment, what could possibly go wrong
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pls posted...

Clean walkable cities with great public transport are fantastic.

Ultra dense mega cities and banning suburbs and lawns like how @uwnim wants is just a boring dystopia waiting to happen.

Tbh, the lawn thing is mostly just cause I don't like the look of them and they take way too much effort to maintain. >____>

As for suburbs/exurbs, I live in a commuter town and honestly I'm saddened whenever another plot of trees gets cut down to put up another boring house. Driving sucks and people are painfully unsuited to the task, by spreading people out over a larger area, road networks become longer and more complex. Increasing the time spent in hell.
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Run the bus out to the suburbs then.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Run the bus out to the suburbs then.

Or encourage more telecommuting / distributed teams. Most teams don't all need to be in the same office.
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pls posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Run the bus out to the suburbs then.

Or encourage more telecommuting / distributed teams. Most teams don't all need to be in the same office.

It's debatable that anyone who does "office" work even needs to be in an office at all.

Japan largely solved this problem, but it conflicts with American ideals because it puts people over profits

https://np.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/culbt4/the_new_american_homeless/exw6tmo/?st=k0fvicjx&sh=38bc6ef1

Rexdragon125 posted...

Japan largely solved this problem, but it conflicts with American ideals because it puts people over profits

https://np.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/culbt4/the_new_american_homeless/exw6tmo/?st=k0fvicjx&sh=38bc6ef1

The solution was a combination of multiple things:

Simplified zoning laws. A good writeup can be found here: http://urbankchoze.blogspot.com/2014/04/japanese-zoning.html

Enforcing zoning at the national level, and completely removing the ability for local cities to zone themselves (with limited exceptions).

Utilization of those national zoning laws to force the creation of enough public housing to meet need (and to make public housing that doesn't purposely stand out like it does in the US). This forced all cities, and all neighborhoods, rich and poor, to accept public housing.

Utilization of those national zoning laws to force the creation of homeless shelters, mental hospitals and asylums so the homeless and the mentally ill can be kept off the streets (resulting in some of the lowest homeless population rates in the world, and, compared to America anyway, effectively "solving" homelessness there).

Increased rights for property owners- now that localities couldn't artifically limit what property owners could do with their own property, it suddenly became legal to build granny units and additional stories in areas where it wasn't legal before. It was also now legal to implement new designs and new colors to houses, AND....

...mixed commercial and residential developments became legal everywhere, allowing people to more easily start their own businesses in their own communities, instead of forcing them to rent space on a market street/downtown/in a commercially zoned area

Yet liberal cities have the most restrictive zoning laws...
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The better solution for zoning laws is to eliminate them entirely, as a concept.

Lol can you imagine living in one of those bunk beds and the person above you gets the night farts and all night you just hear brrraaaapppllleeee ffffflooooorrrpppsssh and then the whole pod ends up smelling like farts.

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Quicksilver posted...

Lol can you imagine living in one of those bunk beds and the person above you gets the night farts and all night you just hear brrraaaapppllleeee ffffflooooorrrpppsssh and then the whole pod ends up smelling like farts.

Solidarity, comrade. How else can you best experience full Solidarity than to be enshrouded in your comrade's bean burrito fumes?

You just hate the working poor.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

The better solution for zoning laws is to eliminate them entirely, as a concept.

Eh, I'd disagree with that simply because certain types of industrial facilities really shouldn't be too close to like housing and whatnot. But there should be no reason why you can't mix most stores and residences and areas shouldn't be restricting the general type of building being built. Like there's no reason why someone shouldn't be able to buy a few plots of land in an area currently full of houses and like build a 40 story building.
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konokonohamaru posted...

Rexdragon125 posted...

Japan largely solved this problem, but it conflicts with American ideals because it puts people over profits

https://np.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/culbt4/the_new_american_homeless/exw6tmo/?st=k0fvicjx&sh=38bc6ef1

The solution was a combination of multiple things:

Simplified zoning laws. A good writeup can be found here: http://urbankchoze.blogspot.com/2014/04/japanese-zoning.html

Enforcing zoning at the national level, and completely removing the ability for local cities to zone themselves (with limited exceptions).

Utilization of those national zoning laws to force the creation of enough public housing to meet need (and to make public housing that doesn't purposely stand out like it does in the US). This forced all cities, and all neighborhoods, rich and poor, to accept public housing.

Utilization of those national zoning laws to force the creation of homeless shelters, mental hospitals and asylums so the homeless and the mentally ill can be kept off the streets (resulting in some of the lowest homeless population rates in the world, and, compared to America anyway, effectively "solving" homelessness there).

Increased rights for property owners- now that localities couldn't artifically limit what property owners could do with their own property, it suddenly became legal to build granny units and additional stories in areas where it wasn't legal before. It was also now legal to implement new designs and new colors to houses, AND....

...mixed commercial and residential developments became legal everywhere, allowing people to more easily start their own businesses in their own communities, instead of forcing them to rent space on a market street/downtown/in a commercially zoned area

Yet liberal cities have the most restrictive zoning laws...

Which is crazy, you'd think it would be the opposite but governments in liberal cities have been slowly hijacked by wealthy virtue signaling nimby types (fake liberals).
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uwnim posted...

Like there's no reason why someone shouldn't be able to buy a few plots of land in an area currently full of houses and like build a 40 story building.

Yeah I'm sure the regular working people living in those houses would really appreciate all the noise and clatter of that 40 story skyscraper being worked on / operated.

And I'm sure they'd love all the foot traffic going in and out of the giant skyscraper across the street.

Seriously dude, do you ever pause to think for at least a second before you type?
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Hop103 posted...

Which is crazy, you'd think it would be the opposite but governments in liberal cities have been slowly hijacked by wealthy virtue signaling nimby types (fake liberals).

Yep which is my big frustration with the modern day Democratic party. They aren't controlled by the working class, they're controlled by the wealthy who like to virtue signal about racial and gender issues, and occasionally economic issues---but they only care about the economic issues as long as it doesn't directly impact themselves. But allow denser zoning in their own neighborhood or build a public housing project nearby? Hell no!
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If we could have tall apartment buildings in the suburbs the housing crisis would be solved tbh.
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This is military deployment living, but better.

For as much crap as some of the people on this site like to give military members, those same people would thrive in the living conditions.
A one room Apartment with shared bathroom and kitchen. No rent, food available at a dining facility for no charge, or you can get a food allowance to make your own ramen and cereal. Live close enough to work that you could walk there. Uniforms for work provided, play video games all day on your days off.
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konokonohamaru posted...

But allow denser zoning in their own neighborhood or build a public housing project nearby? Hell no!

I mean public housing projects are disgusting and have been torn down in Chicago to great effect. Crime plummeted.

The actual solution is more job opportunities, IE by massively funding deployment of renewables like wind and solar, which would be a boon to the economy. The economy would respond by supplying more housing as long as we don't have stupid regulations the way San Francisco does.
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pls posted...

uwnim posted...

Like there's no reason why someone shouldn't be able to buy a few plots of land in an area currently full of houses and like build a 40 story building.

Yeah I'm sure the regular working people living in those houses would really appreciate all the noise and clatter of that 40 story skyscraper being worked on / operated.

And I'm sure they'd love all the foot traffic going in and out of the giant skyscraper across the street.

Seriously dude, do you ever pause to think for at least a second before you type?

Uh, yeah, obviously. I wouldn't be able to come up with good ideas if I didn't. I'd be like all the Nimby type folks out there if I stopped thinking.
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I'd rather live in a tiny, studio apartment in a big city than live in a huge mansion in third world America(also known as rural areas)
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uwnim posted...

Uh, yeah, obviously. I wouldn't be able to come up with good ideas if I didn't. I'd be like all the Nimby type folks out there if I stopped thinking.

What you said about not seeing any problems with a 40 floor skyscraper being built in a subdivision containing just houses was really stupid, though. The complete opposite of a good idea.
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TheGreatGeno6 posted...

I'd rather live in a tiny, studio apartment in a big city than live in a huge mansion in third world America(also known as rural areas)

equating rural america with "Third word" is literal insanity

pls posted...

I mean public housing projects are disgusting and have been torn down in Chicago to great effect. Crime plummeted.

yeah true but it depends how you do it. Public housing all concentrated in one place is a bad idea. Spread out over multiple neighborhoods and it would work better. But the fact remains that you're not gonna get public or subsidized housing in single family neighborhoods, but a lot of these neighborhoods refuse to let medium-high density housing to be built
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pls posted...

uwnim posted...

Uh, yeah, obviously. I wouldn't be able to come up with good ideas if I didn't. I'd be like all the Nimby type folks out there if I stopped thinking.

What you said about not seeing any problems with a 40 floor skyscraper being built in a subdivision containing just houses was really stupid, though. The complete opposite of a good idea.

Why?

The only "problem" would be that it would be aesthetically weird to see a bunch of houses and then a tall skyscraper.

But on the other hand, the cost of housing in that area would go way down in that area and people would have a lot more spending money.
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really glad my parents bought a house in NYC that I'll eventually inherit so that I'll never have to live in some shared condo if I dont want to
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