Current Events > Should it be moddable to support Antifa?

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ThePrinceFish posted...

Musourenka posted...

Nah.

But if they are in support of violent tactics and cheer those on, then yeah, that would be fairly moddable.

It wasn't when that terrorist tried to firebomb the ICE facility and CE's resident commies praised his manifesto and mourned his death as a "comrade"

It was moddable and modded on 261, so I don't know what to tell you.
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GardnerMinshew posted...

having trouble seperating idealogy with enforcers again huh

antifa is short for anti fascism please keep up
whos your main
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Antifar posted...

mattnd2007 posted...

What have they actually accomplished though.

Making it tougher to be a fascist in public

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/03/12/alt-right-leader-richard-spencer-says-his-rallies-arent-fun-anymore/416579002/

Clearly not, as Antifa have been recorded acting as fascists in public many times.
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Rexdragon125 posted...

Radical right-wing conservative groups have been a larger threat per the FBI than any other domestic group. Moreover, radical right-wingers have killed far more people in the U.S. since Trump's election than any foreigner or Muslim.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/14/fbi-and-dhs-warned-of-growing-threat-from-white-supremacists-months-ago/
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/10/2/16396612/las-vegas-mass-shooting-terrorism-islam

HerpToTheDerp posted...

Only if it's moddable to support Trump, the right and other neo-fascist political parties.

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But Antifa are not fascists.

Ultranationalism and "rebirth" as a people are two critical elements of fascism that are missing, even if you think Antifa are tyrannical or despotic.
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Is it moddable to support alt-right groups like the proudboys?

Elmer_Glue posted...

Is it moddable to support alt-right groups like the proudboys?

It should be.
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so tell me, supporters of antifa, how do you defend incidents like that video the other day where people were shouting obscenities into the ear of an old woman trying to cross the street?

TheGreatGeno6 posted...

mattnd2007 posted...

No. And I think they are a stupid group. Just seem to like causing chaos for "reasons"

I don't think they have a goal tbh

antifa

anti fascist

In name only
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Zikten posted...

so tell me, supporters of antifa, how do you defend incidents like that video the other day where people were shouting obscenities into the ear of an old woman trying to cross the street?

I don't.

Lows such as that is still better than the actual murderers that align with the alt right however.
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Zikten posted...

so tell me, supporters of antifa, how do you defend incidents like that video the other day where people were shouting obscenities into the ear of an old woman trying to cross the street?

If I was part of antifa and there when that happened, I would have just said "c'mon guys. Leave her alone and let her through. She isn't part of the problem." Then I would have helped her, apologized for the others being dicks and explained calmly what the event was all about. Hopefully we would have had a laugh about how it was just angry young people not controlling themselves and their behavior properly.
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ThyCorndog posted...

which part of antifa makes them fascist? IDK about supporting them or whatever, but using violence is not inherently fascist. that's not what fascism is and if that's what people think fascism is, they should really read up on shit

It's fascist when it's being used to repress other people's right to free speech.

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ImmatureContent posted...

Using violence to bring about political change is not a fascist tactic. It existed long before fascism. Antifa are not fascists and labeling them as such just makes you look ignorant.

They are authoritarians, thus they are another faction of fascism.
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DDirtyDastard posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

which part of antifa makes them fascist? IDK about supporting them or whatever, but using violence is not inherently fascist. that's not what fascism is and if that's what people think fascism is, they should really read up on shit

It's fascist when it's being used to repress other people's right to free speech.

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No, it's not.
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DeathDeathSong posted...

why would the concept of being against fascism be moddable

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By and large, they're responsible for some horrid shit, and the core methodology behind them is sketchy at best. But they're also not an actual organization, so it's hard to actually say they stand for any certain thing either. I'd say support for wanton "vigilantism" that impacts innocents should definitely be frowned upon, but inherently equating support for them as bad might be a bit too far.

ImmatureContent posted...

DDirtyDastard posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

which part of antifa makes them fascist? IDK about supporting them or whatever, but using violence is not inherently fascist. that's not what fascism is and if that's what people think fascism is, they should really read up on shit

It's fascist when it's being used to repress other people's right to free speech.

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No, it's not.

*Picks mic back up*

So you're saying it's okay to violently oppress people I disagree with? That it's more important than free speech? Cool man. I'll go gather my goons right now.

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*Walks away*

Hop103 posted...

ImmatureContent posted...

Using violence to bring about political change is not a fascist tactic. It existed long before fascism. Antifa are not fascists and labeling them as such just makes you look ignorant.

They are authoritarians, thus they are another faction of fascism.

Authoritarianism is not a unique principle to fascism.
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DDirtyDastard posted...

ImmatureContent posted...

DDirtyDastard posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

which part of antifa makes them fascist? IDK about supporting them or whatever, but using violence is not inherently fascist. that's not what fascism is and if that's what people think fascism is, they should really read up on shit

It's fascist when it's being used to repress other people's right to free speech.

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No, it's not.

*Picks mic back up*

So you're saying it's okay to violently oppress people I disagree with? That it's more important than free speech? Cool man. I'll go gather my goons right now.

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*Walks away*

Imagine thinking this was at all a free speech issue lmao

*pics up mic and surgically implants it onto you in a way that would make it fatal if removed*
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It better be moddable because I got moderated and warned for correctly pointing out that a member of the GameFAQs moderators said he supported antifa because he is against fascism in the past.

How could I be moderated and warned for bringing up what that moderator said unless saying you support antifa is offensive (meaning that actually supporting Antifa is offensive also).

Of course the moderation appeal failure said I "falsely" accused a moderator I never even named despite literal posts logged on another site that shows it.

But, if supporting Antifa is fine and no big deal then why is it moddable to say someone does.

I get called a racist, Alt-Right, and etc all the time on these forums and never see them moderated!


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DDirtyDastard posted...

ImmatureContent posted...

DDirtyDastard posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

which part of antifa makes them fascist? IDK about supporting them or whatever, but using violence is not inherently fascist. that's not what fascism is and if that's what people think fascism is, they should really read up on shit

It's fascist when it's being used to repress other people's right to free speech.

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No, it's not.

*Picks mic back up*

So you're saying it's okay to violently oppress people I disagree with? That it's more important than free speech? Cool man. I'll go gather my goons right now.

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*Walks away*

I didn't say that at all. I only said you were wrong. You clearly don't understand what fascism means.
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That's a lot of alts voting Yes.
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If it's moddable to support the US army too then. They're basically one of the largest terrorist organizations in the world.
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If anything it should be moddable to support fascism which there appears to be many on CE who do.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Some of you very clearly need to read this. Also, try to remember that picking out one detail of something is not enough to properly identify it. A dog has teeth and so does a bear. That doesn't mean dogs are bears. That is the exact thought process some of you are using in identifying fascism.
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How many people have Antifa killed again?
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Villain posted...

How many people have Antifa killed again?

Does the fact that they protest against other human scum give them free reign to bash people's heads?

Corrik7 posted...

It better be moddable because I got moderated and warned for correctly pointing out that a member of the GameFAQs moderators said he supported antifa because he is against fascism in the past.

How could I be moderated and warned for bringing up what that moderator said unless saying you support antifa is offensive (meaning that actually supporting Antifa is offensive also).

Of course the moderation appeal failure said I "falsely" accused a moderator I never even named despite literal posts logged on another site that shows it.

But, if supporting Antifa is fine and no big deal then why is it moddable to say someone does.

I get called a racist, Alt-Right, and etc all the time on these forums and never see them moderated!

lol hi corrik, how's it goin?
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nemu posted...

Villain posted...

How many people have Antifa killed again?

Does the fact that they protest against other human scum give them free reign to bash people's heads?

No, but it's strange that the same people so adamant against Antifa seem so benign when it comes to dealing with the actual murderers.

So very strange that I've been told multiple times to try to understand where the neo nazis are coming from, how protesting against them will just embolden them further. How there "are hardly any of them" despite there being quite a few anti semetic crimes.

But Antifa? Oddly doesn't get the benefit of the doubt despite doing less bad things.
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ImmatureContent posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Some of you very clearly need to read this. Also, try to remember that picking out one detail of something is not enough to properly identify it. A dog has teeth and so does a bear. That doesn't mean dogs are bears. That is the exact thought process some of you are using in identifying fascism.

they won't read cause they're being willfully ignorant
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Yes

Machete posted...

lol hi corrik, how's it goin?

Good. How about you, bud!

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AmericaTheBrave posted...

RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

Huh

I guess I split this dudes soft skin so much he somehow reverse blocked me?
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it's advertising one's own mental instability to compare Antifa to people who murder as a way to promote politics
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Umbreon posted...

No, but it's strange that the same people so adamant against Antifa seem so benign when it comes to dealing with the actual murderers.

So very strange that I've been told multiple times to try to understand where the neo nazis are coming from, how protesting against them will just embolden them further. How there "are hardly any of them" despite there being quite a few anti semetic crimes.

But Antifa? Oddly doesn't get the benefit of the doubt despite doing less bad things.

That seems vague and very much depends on the conversation you're having at the time. You also have to remember that as vile as white supremacy and neo nazism are as general worldviews, the murderous psychopaths are still a small percentage of those people. It's a bit disingenuous to label them as murderers as if every one of them is out there slaughtering minorities left and right. That seems about the same as the whole "incel uprising" shit in the news. It's sad that I have to repeat it, but I'm in no way trying to defend either group in saying this.

nemu posted...

It's a bit disingenuous to label them as murderers as if every one of them is out there slaughtering minorities left and right.

That's just what their ideology calls for and what they would do given power.
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Antifar posted...

That's just what their ideology calls for and what they would do given power.

Yes, and that's why it's a vile ideology. If we actually want to solve issues though, we need to present them as they factually stand and not go to the most extreme case. Hyperbole solves nothing. The average members of either grouping are not going to kill you in the street. The average members of the groups can hopefully be deconverted from their cults and resume normal lives.

There's been more murders and terror attacks from alt-right fascists.

So if anything they should be banned.
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Corrik7 posted...

Machete posted...

lol hi corrik, how's it goin?

Good. How about you, bud!

Same old same old mostly :P
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it's disingenuous to NOT label them murderers when their ideology calls for it.

this bullshit logic doesn't fly anywhere but in the minds of racist ass nutcases.

"I believe and live according the Bible, accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior, been baptised and attend church services, but don't it doesn't make sense for you to think that would make me look Christian."

nemu posted...

Antifar posted...

That's just what their ideology calls for and what they would do given power.

Yes, and that's why it's a vile ideology. If we actually want to solve issues though, we need to present them as they factually stand and not go to the most extreme case. Hyperbole solves nothing. The average members of either grouping are not going to kill you in the street. The average members of the groups can hopefully be deconverted from their cults and resume normal lives.

dude, fuck outta here with that. we've been explaining to them that this shit doesn't fly in America since before you were born, and probably before your parents were born.

we. are. passed. that. shit.

if multiple decades of saying the same thing hasn't convinced you of somebody's stance, you have a problem.
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Antifar posted...

nemu posted...

It's a bit disingenuous to label them as murderers as if every one of them is out there slaughtering minorities left and right.

That's just what their ideology calls for and what they would do given power.

Meanwhile you admittedly support an ideology that calls for murder of the "rich" and anyone who opposes the ideology. And would support that given power.
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Not as bad as shithead alt right skinheads isn't a very good defense tbh.

Those dudes are way worse. Cut and dry. Fuck Nazis. Or whatever these new freaks are.

But antifa still suck. They aren't on the same level. But they still massively suck

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Oh look Proudclad making shit up about another user.
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nemu posted...

. You also have to remember that as vile as white supremacy and neo nazism are as general worldviews, the murderous psychopaths are still a small percentage of those people. It's a bit disingenuous to label them as murderers as if every one of them is out there slaughtering minorities left and right.

They all essentially advocate murder, some just act on it.

But more to the point, how many Antifa members attack innocent people compared to those who don't? You spoke earlier as if they were all violent, this topic itself impies as much.

Yet that didn't seem to matter.

And no, the so called "incel uprising" is utterly irrelevant to this topic. Nazis and white supremacists have a long history of murder and attemptes genocide(Which is really the same thing but more extreme and concentrated).

Factually, this is their admitted ideology, the Nazis and white supremacists want to get rid of certain minorities. Standing by and waiting until the very last second to step in is little different than outright advocating their actions. Especially if you're much quicker to call out those who would oppose them.

Tell me, why is it that we have to try to reach out to those types, but Antifa gets no such consideration?
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

it's disingenuous to NOT label them murderers when their ideology calls for it.

this bullshit logic doesn't fly anywhere but in the minds of racist ass nutcases.

"I believe and live according the Bible, accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior, been baptised and attend church services, but don't it doesn't make sense for you to think that would make me look Christian."

dude, fuck outta here with that. we've been explaining to them that this shit doesn't fly in America since before you were born, and probably before your parents were born.

we. are. passed. that. shit.

if multiple decades of saying the same thing hasn't convinced you of somebody's stance, you have a problem.

OK, then what of the Muslims who support the deaths of gays, trans, apostates, etc? Do you think instead of trying to sway their opinions that we need to assume they're completely iimmalleable to change?

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

dude, fuck outta here with that. we've been explaining to them that this shit doesn't fly in America since before you were born, and probably before your parents were born.

we. are. passed. that. shit.

if multiple decades of saying the same thing hasn't convinced you of somebody's stance, you have a problem.

Also this.

We've tried civil discouse. For a very very long time. They wouldn't have it. It's a waste of time at this point.
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nemu posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

it's disingenuous to NOT label them murderers when their ideology calls for it.

this bullshit logic doesn't fly anywhere but in the minds of racist ass nutcases.

"I believe and live according the Bible, accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior, been baptised and attend church services, but don't it doesn't make sense for you to think that would make me look Christian."

dude, fuck outta here with that. we've been explaining to them that this shit doesn't fly in America since before you were born, and probably before your parents were born.

we. are. passed. that. shit.

if multiple decades of saying the same thing hasn't convinced you of somebody's stance, you have a problem.

OK, then what of the Muslims who support the deaths of gays, trans, apostates, etc? Do you think instead of trying to sway their opinions that we need to assume they're completely iimmalleable to change?

did you just concede to my point about Nazis? or are you creating a new argument to avoid verbally conceding?
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

did you just concede to my point about Nazis? or are you creating a new argument to avoid verbally conceding?

I don't really know what your point is actually supposed to be. You seem wholly against the idea of trying to humanize people who hold barbaric, horrid ideas, so I was presenting another group with some members that hold some barbaric, horrid ideas to gauge exactly what your opinion actually is.