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Scotty_Rogers
10/04/19 4:56:15 PM
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Below 70 on metacritic tsk tsk now im not seeing

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R1masher
10/04/19 4:57:20 PM
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Whats your rating on metacritic?
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Zikten
10/04/19 5:02:19 PM
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it's critically acclaimed in Europe and hated in America, due to politics.

pay attention to fan scores, not what critics are saying
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Malfunction
10/04/19 5:04:17 PM
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It was getting criticised about being derivative of older better films on the festival circuit, not surprising the overall rating would drop on wider release outside of the festival furore. It has a 70 and is certified fresh though, seems like a good score to me
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darkphoenix181
10/04/19 5:05:12 PM
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Zikten posted...
it's critically acclaimed in Europe and hated in America, due to politics.

pay attention to fan scores, not what critics are saying


What about China?
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Zikten
10/04/19 5:05:55 PM
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keep in mind, TC, that on it's original showing at a film festival everyone stood up and clapped and cheered when it ended
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Zikten
10/04/19 5:06:28 PM
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I don't know anything about other parts of the world. just europe's film festival and the american critics
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darkphoenix181
10/04/19 5:09:11 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
There's nothing wrong with the movie, it's society that's wrong


And we live in it
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Malfunction
10/04/19 5:11:24 PM
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The neon demon is great and got a 16 minute standing ovation at cannes and only has a RT score of 59%, smdh politics
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DemonBuffet
10/04/19 5:13:20 PM
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Rotten Tomatoes is usually accurate up to the 25% mark.
25-100% ratings on rotten tomatoes are pretty shady.

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Cosmic_Diabetic
10/04/19 5:18:17 PM
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Malfunction posted...
The neon demon is great and got a 16 minute standing ovation at cannes and only has a RT score of 59%, smdh politics


I enjoyed the aesthetic and mood of the film and really enjoyed it but I absolutely see how many people would not like the film. It had like no plot.

Everyone in this topic is really coming off as incredibly pretentious and snobby. It's the whole: "the world just doesn't get how artistic this movie is. It's beyond their understanding. Unlike us intellectuals."

It's doing favorably in reviews. So most people enjoy it but not everyone. Complaining about that just shows ignorance. Not intellect.
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Nazanir
10/04/19 5:18:35 PM
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This wouldn't be the first time there was a disconnect between "critics" and the regular audience:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/joker_2019/

As you can see, the audience score is at 93%, a difference of 24 points
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DemonBuffet
10/04/19 5:23:52 PM
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Nazanir posted...
This wouldn't be the first time there was a disconnect between "critics" and the regular audience:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/joker_2019/

As you can see, the audience score is at 93%, a difference of 24 points


Thats what Im saying. Professional reviewers are probably wine and dined nicely by the biggest studios. Im sure Disney loves to send gifts to them.

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creativerealms
10/04/19 5:28:06 PM
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Zikten posted...
it's critically acclaimed in Europe and hated in America, due to politics.

pay attention to fan scores, not what critics are saying


So Europe which is further to the left like it but America whose liberals would be center right in most European countries don't? Interesting.

One question though, how exactly is this movie political? Seems very apolitical from the trailers I have seen.

Sorry the "politics" excuse sounds like bullcrap to me. Like a way to just dismiss opinions you disagree with.
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LightHawKnight
10/04/19 5:29:17 PM
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DemonBuffet posted...
Nazanir posted...
This wouldn't be the first time there was a disconnect between "critics" and the regular audience:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/joker_2019/

As you can see, the audience score is at 93%, a difference of 24 points


Thats what Im saying. Professional reviewers are probably wine and dined nicely by the biggest studios. Im sure Disney loves to send gifts to them.


Cause apparently fans hate Disney movies, oh wait, they generally have high for both fans and critics. Though fans also apparently liked Justice League and Venom. Eh, everything sucks.
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Malfunction
10/04/19 5:29:24 PM
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
Everyone in this topic is really coming off as incredibly pretentious and snobby. It's the whole: "the world just doesn't get how artistic this movie is. It's beyond their understanding. Unlike us intellectuals."

I actually wish they were doing that tbh. It's mostly the complete opposite, complaining that critics are paid off it biased or whatever and heralding angry nerds hitting it with 5 star reviews
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Count_Babula
10/04/19 5:33:14 PM
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Zikten posted...
keep in mind, TC, that on it's original showing at a film festival everyone stood up and clapped and cheered when it ended


Neon Demon got a 15 minute standing ovation. movie sucked
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creativerealms
10/04/19 5:35:31 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
DemonBuffet posted...
Nazanir posted...
This wouldn't be the first time there was a disconnect between "critics" and the regular audience:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/joker_2019/

As you can see, the audience score is at 93%, a difference of 24 points


Thats what Im saying. Professional reviewers are probably wine and dined nicely by the biggest studios. Im sure Disney loves to send gifts to them.


Cause apparently fans hate Disney movies, oh wait, they generally have high for both fans and critics. Though fans also apparently liked Justice League and Venom. Eh, everything sucks.


You should always expect the audence score to be higher since the audence are only going to see a movie they want to see. They are dispositioned to like it. Someone who isn't interested in a movie or thinks the trailer looks bad won't see the movie and won't (or shouldn't) make a review.

For critics it is their job to watch a movie and rate it. Even if the movie isn't for them. They are often not fans and not the target audence. Any critic who lets their politics get in the way of making an unbias review is a bad critic and needs to be fired. Professionals, leave your politics at home.

This whole recent idea that "politics are to blame" is nonsense and has to stop.
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BobanMarjanovic
10/04/19 5:35:45 PM
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Only go off IMDb
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Abiz_
10/04/19 5:37:30 PM
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creativerealms posted...
For critics it is their job to watch a movie and rate it. Even if the movie isnt for them. They are often not fans and not the target audence.
It had a 100% score until the director said this movie wasn't made because of incels. It was made because of woke culture. So I don't know about that.
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Malfunction
10/04/19 5:39:29 PM
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Abiz_ posted...
It had a 100% score

No it didnt
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creativerealms
10/04/19 5:40:06 PM
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Abiz_ posted...
creativerealms posted...
For critics it is their job to watch a movie and rate it. Even if the movie isnt for them. They are often not fans and not the target audence.
It had a 100% score until the director said this movie wasn't made because of incels. It was made because of woke culture. So I don't know about that.

So it was made because of something that doesn't exist? Woke isn't a thing.
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Abiz_
10/04/19 5:40:43 PM
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Malfunction posted...
No it didnt
Yeah, it did with the early reviews. Next time ask a question instead of being a reactionary liar.
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Abiz_
10/04/19 5:41:26 PM
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creativerealms posted...
So it was made because of something that doesn't exist? Woke isn't a th9ng.
Far left and Woke are used inter-changeable by people.
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Malfunction
10/04/19 5:42:51 PM
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It settled at circa 87% after its initial festival debut. You are lying. It dipped under 80% at some point in early September and the director made the comments apparently responsible for a further dip in late September.
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creativerealms
10/04/19 5:45:40 PM
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Abiz_ posted...
creativerealms posted...
So it was made because of something that doesn't exist? Woke isn't a th9ng.
Far left and Woke are used inter-changeable by people.

And shouldn't be as the term woke is just lame. People should be laughed at for using it seriously. Then again the far left like the far right is a joke too.

Thing is Europe is futher to the left then America so the theory that leftist critics are sabotaging the film falls flat.
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Malfunction
10/04/19 5:46:25 PM
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The dude is outright lying and rambling about the 'far left', there is no benefit to engaging with him.
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creativerealms
10/04/19 5:48:15 PM
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Any critic who lets their politics get in the way of making an unbias review is a bad critic and needs to be fired. Professionals, leave your politics at home.
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Zikten
10/04/19 9:09:59 PM
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By political I mean the media in America is freaking out and trying to predict a mass shooting caused by this movie. So the critics are trying to review bomb it
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