Current Events > Suicide is a selfish act if the person is a parent.

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Its no longer about you when you become a parent, its the kids to think about. Dont make them go through that trauma and be more likely to also fall into depression and/or suicide.

Dave Chappelle shouldn't be getting blame for someone else deciding to kill themselves
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iPhone_7 posted...

Dave Chappelle shouldn't be getting blame for someone else deciding to kill themselves

Can I get some context on this?
I didn't see a topic about it. Did something happen?

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mhbigboss posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Dave Chappelle shouldn't be getting blame for someone else deciding to kill themselves

Can I get some context on this?
I didn't see a topic about it. Did something happen?

I second these questions.
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Could say the same about divorce

No. Its the result of a mental illness called depression.

People arent called selfish for dying of other illnesses, but we as a culture are so quick to blame those with mental illnesses.

Ironically, its people like you, TC, who stigmatize people with mental illness, preventing them from coming forward and admitting they have a problem, who cause the suicide rate to be so high.

Suicide is usually selfish the large majority of the time regardless if you're a parent or not. The only instance I think of that it isn't is if you have no friends, family or loved ones and no one relies on you or needs you in their lives which is extremely rare.
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Kami_no_Kami posted...

No. Its the result of a mental illness called depression.

People arent called selfish for dying of other illnesses, but we as a culture are so quick to blame those with mental illnesses.

Ironically, its people like you, TC, who stigmatize people with mental illness, preventing them from coming forward and admitting they have a problem, who cause the suicide rate to be so high.

do you not believe in free will or something

coh posted...

Could say the same about divorce

depends on the circumstances, sometimes the kids will be better off

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Man CE really has no idea what it is talking about a lot of the time
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EzeDoesIt posted...

mhbigboss posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Dave Chappelle shouldn't be getting blame for someone else deciding to kill themselves

Can I get some context on this?
I didn't see a topic about it. Did something happen?

I second these questions.

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/thegrapevine.theroot.com/transgender-comedienne-and-activist-referenced-in-dave-1839029254/amp

Because google is hard.
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Ryuko_Chan posted...

Kami_no_Kami posted...

No. Its the result of a mental illness called depression.

People arent called selfish for dying of other illnesses, but we as a culture are so quick to blame those with mental illnesses.

Ironically, its people like you, TC, who stigmatize people with mental illness, preventing them from coming forward and admitting they have a problem, who cause the suicide rate to be so high.

do you not believe in free will or something

Free will is controlled by the brain.

I shouldnt need to explain that...

Kami_no_Kami posted...

Free will is controlled by the brain.

I shouldnt need to explain that...

beep beep
are you a robot

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Ryuko_Chan posted...

Kami_no_Kami posted...

Free will is controlled by the brain.

I shouldnt need to explain that...

beep beep
are you a robot

Im missing your point, though Im not altogether sure youre making one.

you can only do things you choose to do minus involuntary stuff like heartbeats or seizures

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Ryuko_Chan posted...

you can only do things you choose to do minus involuntary stuff like heartbeats or seizures

Accurate, but your choices are dependent on who you are at any given moment.

Your brain comprises who you are.

Therefore, if your brain is sick, the sickness informs your choices.

spikethedevil posted...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/thegrapevine.theroot.com/transgender-comedienne-and-activist-referenced-in-dave-1839029254/amp

Because google is hard.

Hmm I dont think I ever caught that after-credits scene to be sure about this but it doesnt sound like anyone would or should blame Chappelle for this.
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Ryuko_Chan posted...

you can only do things you choose to do minus involuntary stuff like heartbeats or seizures

I think you're missing his point.

Let me put it another way you might comprehend

You're straight right?

Well why don't you use your free will to go have sex with other men? I mean you literally could physically do that right?

But nothing would ever make you want to or be attracted to them. That part of your brain is beyond your control, you can only control your body right?

Now imagine that same principal but about everything else in life?

How you perceive the world, how you talk to others, how your emotions feel, how overwhelming your senses are , what memories are brought to the surface of your mind in day to day life

All the things you take for granted and dont spare a thought too on day to day life.

Now imagine all of these are overwhelming or painful or nerve wracking or intense beyond any facet of your control.

Imagine every normal conversion feeling like a police interrogation about a crime you are guilty of committing

Imagine getting out of bed and walking to work is like running a marathon in Egypt with no water.

Imagine your least favorite food. Now imagine that all foods taste as bad as that does to you.

Imagine not being able to make breakfast without thinking about your dead daughter or remembering something horrible you did once.

Possibly throw drugs into the mix on top of a distorted grip on reality.

"You have free will about whether or not you jump off a bridge!" is hyperliterally true but it's an unbelievably narrow and lazy and frankly sheltered view of the human mind.

Its throwing out everything that goes into suicide, mental health, drug addiction etc except the act of death itself.

Let me put it another way.

Why do you think suicide rates are so high among soldiers and veterinarians?

Why do you think women attempt suicide a lot more then men but more men successfully kill themselves?

Why do you think 9/11 people who fail at suicide regret the attempt?

Free Will is a lazy retort to that
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Wow, excellent post UR.

Ill add this description of suicide given by David Foster Wallace:

"The so-called psychotically depressed person who tries to kill herself doesnt do so out of quote hopelessness or any abstract conviction that lifes assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fires flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. Its not desiring the fall; its terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling Dont! and Hang on!, can understand the jump. Not really. Youd have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling."
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Conflict posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Man CE really has no idea what it is talking about a lot of the time

Indeed, you don't. Which is why nobody takes you seriously

His last post (#19) was great tho
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Imagine blaming a comedian because someone decided to commit suicide. It's not chapelles fault
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Does that really matter at 105, though?

EzeDoesIt posted...

Conflict posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Man CE really has no idea what it is talking about a lot of the time

Indeed, you don't. Which is why nobody takes you seriously

His last post (#19) was great tho

Conflict as his username suggests is just trying to stir the pot.

I've spent many years working with the mentally ill and homeless (there is a huge overlap) and probably more than anything else I have learned is that people as a generalization struggle to comprehend any viewpoint other than their own

And I dont mean like opinions on music or food or movies, i mean understanding life or how they think and feel and the experiences they have from a perspective that is not their own life, emotions, attitudes

The shorthand of this is the notion "Why don't depressed people just cheer up?"
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Conflict posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

I've spent many years working with the mentally ill and homeless

No you haven't

Or maybe ..... He has?
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I think part of it is that you convinced yourself that you're worse for your kid alive. You're not just like "eh, they'll get over it". You're like "If I do this, they'll have a better life". No matter how illogical that is.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

I think part of it is that you convinced yourself that you're worse for your kid alive. You're not just like "eh, they'll get over it". You're like "If I do this, they'll have a better life". No matter how illogical that is.

I think most convince themselves that everyone will be better off after. So I don't know if I would call it selfish. Shortsighted and stupid maybe.

It is inherently selfish, probably the most selfish choice a being can make.

That doesn't automatically make it immoral or unethical though, which some people seem to be equating with "selfish."
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Collat posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

I think part of it is that you convinced yourself that you're worse for your kid alive. You're not just like "eh, they'll get over it". You're like "If I do this, they'll have a better life". No matter how illogical that is.

I think most convince themselves that everyone will be better off after. So I don't know if I would call it selfish. Shortsighted and stupid maybe.

It's not even like suicidal people are dumb tho. Most dumb people have a false sense or superiority. Like the saying "Fools swear they're wise, wise men know they're foolish". I feel you have to have a certain level of self awareness to be suicidal. It's just that your self awareness evolved on the negative end, while the positive side never found a place to flourish. That's why the company you keep is important. You gotta be around people that nurture that positive side
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

It's not even like suicidal people are dumb tho.

You don't have to be stupid to make dumb decisions.

So do some people in this topic think Robin Williams is a terrible person?
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Not every problem can be solved and it doesn't always get better.

Story of my life, legit wish I would fall asleep one night and never wake up.
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Sounds like nothing a good walk outside in the woods cant fix

Im kidding. Stop seething.
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It's not selfish, because there's no selfish intent involved. People who have survived attempts have stated that they felt that their children would be better off without them around.
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