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AlisLandale
10/20/19 7:26:12 AM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
AlisLandale posted...


Vegeta can blow up the Earth in the Saiyan saga.

Kid Buu, who is astronomically stronger, can only blow up the earth ten times

Tell me more about DBZ power levels and how they scale linearly >_


I bet you're one of those people that thinks Kid Buu is the most powerful, lmao


How many more times stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta is Kid Buu?
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Bad_Mojo
10/20/19 7:33:02 AM
#52:


AlisLandale posted...
How many more times stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta is Kid Buu?


Again, you're not understanding what I'm trying to say here

Here, how many planet busters does DC have? A planet buster in DBZ, Freeza, is still a billions times weaker than Goku. . .without Ultra Instincts

You can't keep saying DB vs DB, that isn't my argument here. A DB Human is far more powerful than a DC Human. Basic bitch vs basic bitch

Ahhh fuck it, I'm tired of saying the same t hing over and over. I'll expalin it when I'm sober

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AlisLandale
10/20/19 7:39:22 AM
#53:


Bad_Mojo posted...
AlisLandale posted...
How many more times stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta is Kid Buu?


Again, you're not understanding what I'm trying to say here

Here, how many planet busters does DC have? A planet buster in DBZ, Freeza, is still a billions times weaker than Goku. . .without Ultra Instincts

You can't keep saying DB vs DB, that isn't my argument here. A DB Human is far more powerful than a DC Human. Basic bitch vs basic bitch

Ahhh fuck it, I'm tired of saying the same t hing over and over. I'll expalin it when I'm sober


Youre using power levels as your benchmark for determining strength and scaling based on linear numerical progression instead of feats. Ill do your math for you.

Farmer is 5.

Saiyan Saga Vegy is 18k.

So a regular humans power multiplied by 3.5K and they become a planet buster.

Kid Buu is a 1 Billion + some change. And his strongest shown feat is a ball of energy that can blow up the earth ten times

So

5 = farmer with shotgun

Times 3.5K =

18K = single planet buster

Times 55,555 =

1billion = 10 planet buster

Power levels in DBZ are meaningless.
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SpiritSephiroth
10/20/19 7:40:25 AM
#54:


AlisLandale posted...
But I do know a thing or two about DC thanks to the Internet, and Batman has beat Superman, right? Farmer With A Shotgun is only [fill in % math] less powerful than a person that can beat Superman


Vegeta can blow up the Earth in the Saiyan saga, with a single attack.

Kid Buu, who is astronomically stronger, can only blow up the earth ten times with a single attack

Tell me more about DBZ power levels and how they scale linearly >_


I'm pretty sure they meant with that specific attack. His whole shtick was to blow himself up. He could have easily blown up planets from afar like any sane, mass murdering villain. But he chose to do it that was because he way pure unleashed evil.
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Bad_Mojo
10/20/19 7:47:40 AM
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SpiritSephiroth posted...
I'm pretty sure they meant with that specific attack. His whole shtick was to blow himself up. He could have easily blown up planets from afar like any sane, mass murdering villain. But he chose to do it that was because he way pure unleashed evil.


Didn't he keep teleporting to places and blowing up planets? Like, teleport to planet 1 blow it up, teleport to 2 and blow it up, 3 blow it up, 4 blow it up, ect, ect. That's his spit blowing up planets

From the Wiki -

Regenerating after the explosion, Kid Buu goes off in search of Goku and Vegeta, teleporting to many planets as he goes and destroying them upon sensing the Saiyans' absence.

This isn't even his strongest form, and again, many, MANY times weaker than Goku is now

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AlisLandale
10/20/19 7:50:39 AM
#56:


Bad_Mojo posted...
SpiritSephiroth posted...
I'm pretty sure they meant with that specific attack. His whole shtick was to blow himself up. He could have easily blown up planets from afar like any sane, mass murdering villain. But he chose to do it that was because he way pure unleashed evil.


Didn't he keep teleporting to places and blowing up planets? Like, teleport to planet 1 blow it up, teleport to 2 and blow it up, 3 blow it up, 4 blow it up, ect, ect. That's his spit blowing up planets


Being able to lift 10 reps of 10 lbs doesnt mean you can lift 100 lbs.

His strongest shown feat is the energy to blow up a planet ten times the size of earth.

It doesnt matter how strong he is compared to other forms.

What matters is that it illustrates that power levels do not scale in any logical way and are thus meaningless.
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Bad_Mojo
10/20/19 7:54:01 AM
#57:


AlisLandale posted...


Being able to lift 10 reps of 10 lbs doesnt mean you can lift 100 lbs.

His strongest shown feat is the energy to blow up a planet ten times the size of earth.


I don't know how many times I need to say/explain this. Or I'm just too stupid to do so

Those planets that are 10x the size of earth. . .well, those 'earths' are a lot stronger in DragonBall than they are in DC. By a lot, I'm just too stupid to prove it

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SpiritSephiroth
10/20/19 7:55:10 AM
#58:


AlisLandale posted...
Being able to lift 10 reps of 10 lbs doesnt mean you can lift 100 lbs.

His strongest shown feat is the energy to blow up a planet ten times the size of earth.

It doesnt matter how strong he is compared to other forms.

What matters is that it illustrates that power levels do not scale in any logical way and are thus meaningless.


Akira Toriyama already addressed this. He said the characters by this point are easily destructive enough to destroy everything. He just plays down the on-screen fights because if he didnt there wouldn't be anything left, therefore no story.
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AlisLandale
10/20/19 7:56:43 AM
#59:


Those planets that are 10x the size of earth. . .well, those 'earths' are a lot stronger in DragonBall than they are in DC. By a lot, I'm just too stupid to prove it


It doesnt matter how strong those earths are relative to anything.

Your entire argument hinges on power levels being even a little bit reliable.

Multiplying a planet buster 55,555 times to be able to blow up ten of the same planet illustrates that DBZ power levels dont make any logical sense and cant be trusted, except as a narrative device to make a character seem threatening, because Toriyama is a pretty good writer of mythology, but absolutely terrible at writing actual stories >_>
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K181
10/20/19 7:57:19 AM
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Superman is the strongest character in all of fiction!

*normal-ass Lex Luthor gets away again*
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AlisLandale
10/20/19 7:58:13 AM
#61:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
AlisLandale posted...
Being able to lift 10 reps of 10 lbs doesnt mean you can lift 100 lbs.

His strongest shown feat is the energy to blow up a planet ten times the size of earth.

It doesnt matter how strong he is compared to other forms.

What matters is that it illustrates that power levels do not scale in any logical way and are thus meaningless.


Akira Toriyama already addressed this. He said the characters by this point are easily destructive enough to destroy everything. He just plays down the on-screen fights because if he didnt there wouldn't be anything left, therefore no story.


At which point can a DBZ character destroy anything? Because thats going to mess up the scale a lot more than Majin Buus attack could hope to. >_>
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Bad_Mojo
10/20/19 8:07:05 AM
#62:


AlisLandale posted...
Your entire argument hinges on power levels being even a little bit reliable.


No, I'm not. I know that power levels in DragonBall are stupid. But only because 90% of the story that is true, but they were meant to matter in the early story. That's why they introduced them into DraonBall Z

A fat, every day farmer in the DragonBall universe is a Level 5. A level 139, in DragonBall, can blow up the moon. Like I've said for 5 times now, I don't know how to math. But look at it this way - 27 farmers, in the DragonBall canon, has enough power to blow up the moon from earth. That's 27 ants compared to the people we're talking about. That's Superman's foster dad x27. That's the difference in power

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AlisLandale
10/20/19 9:02:28 AM
#63:


Bad_Mojo posted...
AlisLandale posted...
Your entire argument hinges on power levels being even a little bit reliable.


No, I'm not. I know that power levels in DragonBall are stupid. But only because 90% of the story that is true, but they were meant to matter in the early story. That's why they introduced them into DraonBall Z

A fat, every day farmer in the DragonBall universe is a Level 5. A level 139, in DragonBall, can blow up the moon. Like I've said for 5 times now, I don't know how to math. But look at it this way - 27 farmers, in the DragonBall canon, has enough power to blow up the moon from earth. That's 27 ants compared to the people we're talking about. That's Superman's foster dad x27. That's the difference in power


If you know power levels are stupid, then why do you keep bringing them up?

You're assuming these numbers scale linearly, that because 139 can blow up the moon, a level 5 could blow up 1/28 of the moon. But DB power levels don't work that way. The numbers are absolutely meaningless and cannot be scaled.
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Tyranthraxus
10/20/19 9:06:36 AM
#64:


Superman already has a version of Ultra Instinct that he can just do whenever with no limits and had it before Dragonball Super was even a thing.

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Webmaster4531
10/20/19 9:30:52 AM
#65:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Superman already has a version of Ultra Instinct that he can just do whenever with no limits and had it before Dragonball Super was even a thing.

So does Master Roshi...
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Bad_Mojo
10/20/19 2:10:17 PM
#66:


Webmaster4531 posted...
So does Master Roshi...


Who is billions of times weaker than Goku

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Webmaster4531
10/20/19 2:26:41 PM
#67:


Bad_Mojo posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
So does Master Roshi...


Who is billions of times weaker than Goku

Just like Superman.
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ZMythos
10/20/19 2:35:04 PM
#68:


Saiyans turn into Great Apes when exposed to radiation from the moon.

They developed a Ki attack that emits this exact kind of radiation to make an artificial moon to transform with.

Therefore Ki Blasts emit radiation, and can emit different kinds (which then have different colors) based on the user's ability to change it.

Kryptonite emits radiation.

The color of Kryptonite has different radiation that affects kryptonians in different ways.

Yellow/Gold Kryptonite inhibits Superman's ability to process yellow sunlight, putting him at a disadvantage.

Goku can fire yellow/gold Ki Blasts that emit yellow/gold radiation, emulating the properties of yellow/gold Kryptonite.

Therefore Goku beats Superman.
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Foppe
10/20/19 3:12:52 PM
#69:


I still dont understand the logic behind a Farmer with a shotgun from one universe being more powerful than the average human in another universe.
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Webmaster4531
10/20/19 3:18:37 PM
#70:


Foppe posted...
I still dont understand the logic behind a Farmer with a shotgun from one universe being more powerful than the average human in another universe.

I have no idea where Mojo was going. I appreciate the enthusiasm but like I said plain red God Goku is strong enough to destroy a Universe by accident.
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Tyranthraxus
10/20/19 3:20:03 PM
#71:


Webmaster4531 posted...
I have no idea where Mojo was going. I appreciate the enthusiasm but like I said plain red God Goku is strong enough to destroy a Universe by accident.
Superman did the same thing and literal God had to send out The Spectre to stop him.

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Bad_Mojo
10/20/19 3:29:07 PM
#72:


Foppe posted...
I still dont understand the logic behind a Farmer with a shotgun from one universe being more powerful than the average human in another universe.


Mr Satan can pull 4 buses, punch a hole in one of them, and move fast enough he looks like he teleports behind you. He has no special powers, no ki control. He's just a peek human in that universe. Normal people are just stronger in DragonBall

Look at someone like General Tao - He killed someone with his tongue.

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Webmaster4531
10/20/19 3:31:49 PM
#73:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
I have no idea where Mojo was going. I appreciate the enthusiasm but like I said plain red God Goku is strong enough to destroy a Universe by accident.
Superman did the same thing and literal God had to send out The Spectre to stop him.

That's just on par with start of Super Goku. Goku then has Blue, Kaioken Blue, and Ultra Instinct.
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Foppe
10/20/19 4:11:41 PM
#74:


Bad_Mojo posted...
Foppe posted...
I still dont understand the logic behind a Farmer with a shotgun from one universe being more powerful than the average human in another universe.


Mr Satan can pull 4 buses, punch a hole in one of them, and move fast enough he looks like he teleports behind you. He has no special powers, no ki control. He's just a peek human in that universe. Normal people are just stronger in DragonBall

Look at someone like General Tao - He killed someone with his tongue.

Tao is the best mercenary for hire you can find on the planet. He is 299 years at that time and have spent most of his life training to become the most powerful assassin, he is not the average human.
Mr Satan spent his life training at a dojo, which makes him stronger than an average human as well.

Show me something that a normal average human can do, not somebody that have spent a long part of their life to train.
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Bad_Mojo
10/20/19 4:18:03 PM
#75:


Batman is the strongest human in DC and can only lift 1,000 pounds. Satan is like 20,000 stronger than that, and hes billons is times weaker than Goku

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MrNintendo1213
10/20/19 4:37:24 PM
#76:


Bad_Mojo posted...
Batman is the strongest human in DC and can only lift 1,000 pounds. Satan is like 20,000 stronger than that, and hes billons is times weaker than Goku


So?

This whole thing is dumb and Superman still wins at his strongest. If he fought the weaker versions of Superman than he would win but who cares.
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kkTheKiller42
10/20/19 5:02:34 PM
#77:


He just gon keep arguing that goku is a universe buster cuz roshi can blow up the moon.
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Bad_Mojo
10/20/19 5:04:57 PM
#78:


MrNintendo1213 posted...
So?

This whole thing is dumb and Superman still wins at his strongest. If he fought the weaker versions of Superman than he would win but who cares.


God damn it!!!

My point is that the humans in DragonBall are a lot more powerful than the humans in DC, by a lot. Fuck it, I don't know how many different ways I can explain it. I don't know enough about DC to tell you about the characters in there. I know The Flash, Superman, Green Arrow, Wonder Woman and Batman. I know more about Marvel . The Hulk can lift about 75-80 tons. Hulk is a 100/100 Strength level, one of the strongest in Marvel.

A bus weighs 14 tons, and Satan pulled 5 of them, which is 70 tons. Mr Satan is almost as strong as The Hulk. Satan can also move quicker than the eye can see, that's Quicksilver level speed

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Tyranthraxus
10/20/19 5:17:12 PM
#79:


Bad_Mojo posted...
The Hulk can lift about 75-80


With his eyelashes

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kkTheKiller42
10/20/19 5:28:38 PM
#80:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Bad_Mojo posted...
The Hulk can lift about 75-80


With his eyelashes


Yeah if hulk can hold up a mountain to prevent the avengers from getting crushed, then he definitely could bench more than 80 tons tops
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MrNintendo1213
10/20/19 5:43:44 PM
#81:


Bad_Mojo posted...
MrNintendo1213 posted...
So?

This whole thing is dumb and Superman still wins at his strongest. If he fought the weaker versions of Superman than he would win but who cares.


God damn it!!!

My point is that the humans in DragonBall are a lot more powerful than the humans in DC, by a lot. Fuck it, I don't know how many different ways I can explain it. I don't know enough about DC to tell you about the characters in there. I know The Flash, Superman, Green Arrow, Wonder Woman and Batman. I know more about Marvel . The Hulk can lift about 75-80 tons. Hulk is a 100/100 Strength level, one of the strongest in Marvel.

A bus weighs 14 tons, and Satan pulled 5 of them, which is 70 tons. Mr Satan is almost as strong as The Hulk. Satan can also move quicker than the eye can see, that's Quicksilver level speed


No, people understand that in dbz humans are stronger than the humans from DC. They just don't care because it doesn't really matter to finding out if Superman could beat Goku.
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Webmaster4531
10/20/19 5:54:55 PM
#82:


So so far Goku is a Universe Buster in weaker god form on par with Superman's destruction potential. While kaioken blue faster is than frozen time with absolutely no specific speed feats mentioned for Superman.

Goku's feat is like how speedsters in DC can be faster than instant teleportation.
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AlisLandale
10/21/19 6:06:24 AM
#83:


Superman Speed feats:

https://aminoapps.com/c/comics/page/blog/supermans-top-speed-calculated/2diN_uMnvNLn27aZD8KMnr0RkMBVdN

Not really sure what the specifics behind faster than time entails, but millions of times faster than light is probably on par. :P

Heck, at least the Flashs instantaneous travel is technically measurable. You have to break math to do it, but you could conceivably come up with a number that will get you to a place faster than instantly. (The only way that makes any sense at all, though, is if he travelled back in time by a fraction of a second. >_>)
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Tyranthraxus
10/21/19 6:29:45 AM
#84:


AlisLandale posted...
Heck, at least the Flashs instantaneous travel is technically measurable. You have to break math to do it, but you could conceivably come up with a number that will get you to a place faster than instantly. (The only way that makes any sense at all, though, is if he travelled back in time by a fraction of a second. >_>)


IIRC it was justified by Flash arriving before that guy's brain could register he had actually teleported.

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