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Oldin
10/18/19 1:14:18 AM
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kkTheKiller42
10/18/19 1:19:00 AM
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Superman would just take a sun dip and come back totally invulnerable to people that could slap him around easily if he did prep for once.
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Webmaster4531
10/18/19 1:25:39 AM
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Goku is a casual universe buster in god form.
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MrNintendo1213
10/18/19 1:31:30 AM
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He doesn't need the prep time.

Well as always it depends on which version of Superman.
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Irony
10/18/19 1:40:09 AM
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Justice League/TAS Superman would lose

Every other Superman effortlessly solos the entire DB verse.
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Webmaster4531
10/18/19 1:41:25 AM
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Irony posted...
Justice League/TAS Superman would lose

Every other Superman effortlessly solos the entire DB verse.

How do you figure that chief?
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Irony
10/18/19 1:42:34 AM
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Every Superman other than JL and TAS Superman is immune is everything except magic
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Webmaster4531
10/18/19 1:45:17 AM
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Irony posted...
Every Superman other than JL and TAS Superman is immune is everything except magic

Doomsday is magic now?
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Irony
10/18/19 1:45:34 AM
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Doomsday is everything

And Doomsday beating Superman was TAS era
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awesome999
10/18/19 1:46:30 AM
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Who does the writer like more?
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Webmaster4531
10/18/19 1:47:34 AM
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Well Goku can use Mafuba or Hakai then.
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008Zulu
10/18/19 2:23:56 AM
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awesome999 posted...
Who does the writer like more?

Which fanbase would send him the most death-threats, should their idol end up facedown in the dirt.
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ssjevot
10/18/19 3:01:21 AM
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I always wonder why people ignore he can just instant transmission Superman to somewhere without a yellow sun and win effortlessly.

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DrizztLink
10/18/19 3:10:20 AM
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ssjevot posted...
I always wonder why people ignore he can just instant transmission Superman to somewhere without a yellow sun and win effortlessly.

Because he wouldn't.
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kkTheKiller42
10/18/19 3:11:10 AM
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I wonder why people think thats how IT works when Goku needs someones energy to focus on to even do IT
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Chicken
10/18/19 3:12:46 AM
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ssjevot posted...
I always wonder why people ignore he can just instant transmission Superman to somewhere without a yellow sun and win effortlessly.

Why would Goku purposely weaken his enemy? His whole thing is that he only fights people at their absolute strongest.
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Middle hope
10/18/19 3:15:12 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
Because he wouldn't.
Yeah. Not only is that totally out of character for goku to cheat to win, how would he know supes strengths and weaknesses? And I'm pretty sure superman can survive in space AND travel faster than light speed to get back to Earth or wherever

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AlisLandale
10/18/19 3:24:16 AM
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@ssjevot posted...
I always wonder why people ignore he can just instant transmission Superman to somewhere without a yellow sun and win effortlessly.


Superman can go for ages without direct exposure to yellow sun radiation. His upper feats even have him still chugging after flying through a red sun.
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TheRealDill2006
10/18/19 4:02:18 AM
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Chicken posted...
Why would Goku purposely weaken his enemy? His whole thing is that he only fights people at their absolute strongest.

...and wins
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Webmaster4531
10/18/19 4:13:49 AM
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TheRealDill2006 posted...
Chicken posted...
Why would Goku purposely weaken his enemy? His whole thing is that he only fights people at their absolute strongest.

...and wins

Except Cell. Only Superboy Prime and up can beat Goku.
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PatrickMahomes
10/18/19 10:09:37 AM
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Oldin posted...
PatrickMahomes

Honestly idk, I don't know enough about Superman. My understanding is that Superman is "invincible except with kryptonite," but apparently that isn't fully true. If Goku didn't need kryptonite in any manner, than Goku would win. Otherwise, it's Superman.
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Foppe
10/18/19 10:15:38 AM
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PatrickMahomes posted...
Oldin posted...
PatrickMahomes

Honestly idk, I don't know enough about Superman. My understanding is that Superman is "invincible except with kryptonite," but apparently that isn't fully true. If Goku didn't need kryptonite in any manner, than Goku would win. Otherwise, it's Superman.

Kryptonite and magic.
If the Dragon Ball Universe Ki is close enough to the DC-verse magic, then Goku could hurt Superman.
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apocalyptic_4
10/18/19 10:16:55 AM
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kkTheKiller42 posted...
I wonder why people think thats how IT works when Goku needs someones energy to focus on to even do IT


You know who to instantly ignore in these debates when they use that argument.
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ssjevot
10/18/19 11:10:20 AM
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Foppe posted...
Kryptonite and magic.
If the Dragon Ball Universe Ki is close enough to the DC-verse magic, then Goku could hurt Superman.


Dragon Ball makes a distinction between ki and magic. Ki is just energy generated by living beings. All of them have ki, some can control it better and their bodies can hold more is the only real difference. The techniques used by non-magic characters are all just manipulations of their own ki (or in the case of artificial humans, their internal reactors).

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Webmaster4531
10/18/19 11:15:38 AM
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ssjevot posted...
Foppe posted...
Kryptonite and magic.
If the Dragon Ball Universe Ki is close enough to the DC-verse magic, then Goku could hurt Superman.


Dragon Ball makes a distinction between ki and magic. Ki is just energy generated by living beings. All of them have ki, some can control it better and their bodies can hold more is the only real difference. The techniques used by non-magic characters are all just manipulations of their own ki (or in the case of artificial humans, their internal reactors).

The mafuba is magic.
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Oldin
10/18/19 11:18:23 AM
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PatrickMahomes posted...
My knee hurts


PatrickMahomes posted...
My knee hurts
Me too when sit too long
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Foppe
10/18/19 11:24:48 AM
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ssjevot posted...
Foppe posted...
Kryptonite and magic.
If the Dragon Ball Universe Ki is close enough to the DC-verse magic, then Goku could hurt Superman.


Dragon Ball makes a distinction between ki and magic. Ki is just energy generated by living beings. All of them have ki, some can control it better and their bodies can hold more is the only real difference. The techniques used by non-magic characters are all just manipulations of their own ki (or in the case of artificial humans, their internal reactors).

It could still be close enough to the magical wavelength as magic in the DC-verse.
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Mr_E_Man
10/18/19 11:27:50 AM
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This has already been asked, so I'll say the same. I don't like Superman, but he would win because it would take Goku 6 episodes to progress with anything.

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MrMallard
10/18/19 11:28:05 AM
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Yep.
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Chicken
10/19/19 7:35:19 PM
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Heres what I dont get about people who side with Superman on this. Why would Superman kill Goku? Goku is a good guy afterall. The whole reason Batman always beats Superman in the end is because Superman wont kill him.

Superman might beat Goku a dozen times, but he wouldnt kill him. But Goku would end up getting stronger each time. Eventually Goku would overpower him and win.
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Foppe
10/20/19 3:17:02 AM
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Chicken posted...
Heres what I dont get about people who side with Superman on this. Why would Superman kill Goku? Goku is a good guy afterall. The whole reason Batman always beats Superman in the end is because Superman wont kill him.

Superman might beat Goku a dozen times, but he wouldnt kill him. But Goku would end up getting stronger each time. Eventually Goku would overpower him and win.

Goku would accept that he got beaten, be happy that it exist somebody stronger out there and go training for a rematch.
He only gets a strength boost if he is near death, and even stupid Dragon Ball S Goku would accept the loss before he got that much hurt.
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Bad_Mojo
10/20/19 3:37:19 AM
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Goku mops the floor with Superman

Master Roshi blew up the moon in DragonBall. That's the power scale. Just think about it. Goku was a lot stronger than that in his 'weakest' stage of life

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amzpeng
10/20/19 4:00:14 AM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Goku mops the floor with Superman

Master Roshi blew up the moon in DragonBall. That's the power scale. Just think about it. Goku was a lot stronger than that in his 'weakest' stage of life

nice copypasta
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MrNintendo1213
10/20/19 4:07:43 AM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Goku mops the floor with Superman

Master Roshi blew up the moon in DragonBall. That's the power scale. Just think about it. Goku was a lot stronger than that in his 'weakest' stage of life


Superman sneezed away a galaxy on accident.
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Foppe
10/20/19 4:33:57 AM
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1pGWA7b
Superman moved multiple planets across the galaxy, can Goku even move one planet?
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Bad_Mojo
10/20/19 4:42:22 AM
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amzpeng posted...
nice copypasta


Google that entire thing and show me where else it's posted

Foppe posted...
Superman moved multiple planets across the galaxy, can Goku even move one planet?


That isn't my argument here

Superman and Goku are not in the same world. They work differently

Goku, a child and at his weakest, is more powerful than a person that can blow up the moon. Goku is figuratively billions of times more stronger than this now

The person that blows up the moon the first time, Master Roshi, is a simple human. Humans are simply a lot stronger in DragonBall than humans in DC. Goku is only limited because the people in his universe are stronger on average than the people in Superman's world. Other than Batman, what OP, non-powered up person in DC can do the things that the humans in DragonBall can do? Krillin, the butt of all the jokes for being weak, is millions of times stronger than a person that can blow up the moon

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YugiNoob
10/20/19 4:46:54 AM
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Foppe posted...
1pGWA7b
Superman moved multiple planets across the galaxy, can Goku even move one planet?

I think Supes is helping a gigantic cosmic being with its anal fetish...
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AlisLandale
10/20/19 5:13:22 AM
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Goku, a child and at his weakest, is more powerful than a person that can blow up the moon. Goku is figuratively billions of times more stronger than this now


Whatever the numbers happen to be, its pretty obvious that the power ups become less and less linear the higher they go.

If anything, theyve been nerfed over time, now with Goku vulnerable to basic lasers so long as hes not actively paying attention to and defending against them. >_>
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Foppe
10/20/19 5:14:16 AM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
amzpeng posted...
nice copypasta


Google that entire thing and show me where else it's posted

Foppe posted...
Superman moved multiple planets across the galaxy, can Goku even move one planet?


That isn't my argument here

Superman and Goku are not in the same world. They work differently

Goku, a child and at his weakest, is more powerful than a person that can blow up the moon. Goku is figuratively billions of times more stronger than this now

The person that blows up the moon the first time, Master Roshi, is a simple human. Humans are simply a lot stronger in DragonBall than humans in DC. Goku is only limited because the people in his universe are stronger on average than the people in Superman's world. Other than Batman, what OP, non-powered up person in DC can do the things that the humans in DragonBall can do? Krillin, the butt of all the jokes, is millions of times stronger than a person that can blow up the moon

Do you even Dragon Ball?
An average farmer with a shotgun got a power level of 5.
Master Roshi at the 22nd Martial Arts Tournament got a power level of 139 (Yes, I know that he blew up the moon at the 21st Martial Arts Tournament). He is more than a simple human.
Now guess what power level Goku had at the start of the manga, where he is at his weakest...
10!
Heck, if we look at Dragon Ball Z: Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan, he only got a level of 2!

Im not saying that it doesnt exist strong humans in the Dragonball universe, the Red Ribbon highranked members were 100-200, and the best humans in the 21st Martial Arts Tournament were around 100, but they had spent years training and are stronger than the average human.
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EvenSpoonier
10/20/19 5:16:47 AM
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Goku hasn't even been able to beat Masahiro Sakurai recently, so there's no way he'd be able to beat Superman.
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Bad_Mojo
10/20/19 6:04:01 AM
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Foppe posted...
Do you even Dragon Ball?
An average farmer with a shotgun got a power level of 5.
Master Roshi at the 22nd Martial Arts Tournament got a power level of 139 (Yes, I know that he blew up the moon at the 21st Martial Arts Tournament). He is more than a simple human.
Now guess what power level Goku had at the start of the manga, where he is at his weakest...
10!
Heck, if we look at Dragon Ball Z: Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan, he only got a level of 2!


I suck at math, so I'll need some back up here

A simple farmer is 5 in the DB-verse, right? What kind of power does a simple farmer have? Let's say they can lift 100 pounds over their head. So Roshi can lift. . .you see, this is where I'm garbage at math. 139/5 = 27.8. . .So Roshi can lift. . .whatever, it's much lower than this, but let's just say he can lift 1,390 pounds [Level 1 Farmer can lift 100 pounds, level 139 Roshi can lift 1,390 pounds]

World record right now is 639.3 pounds after a quick Google search

Do you think if a human could gain those extra 700 pounds they could blow up the moon? No, of course not. So 1 = a LOT more in DragonBall. That Farmer With a Shotgun, who I hate more than any anime character since he re-started the show when I just wanted to fucking get to the next arc, may only be a 5, but that's really 5,000 in the DC universe

The average in DragonBall is a LOT higher than the average in DC

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amzpeng
10/20/19 6:04:37 AM
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can't superman literally manipulate time? goku can't do that lol
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Webmaster4531
10/20/19 6:40:35 AM
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amzpeng posted...
can't superman literally manipulate time? goku can't do that lol

Goku was still able to move while his opponent froze time.
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AlisLandale
10/20/19 6:43:52 AM
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I dont think time manipulation is a standard Superman feat. Last year he needed the Flashs cosmic treadmill to travel to the past.

But until faster than stopped time is explained in a way that makes any sense outside of the context of the fight it happened in, Supermans best speed feats are on par if not better than anything Goku has shown. >_>
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Foppe
10/20/19 6:44:14 AM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Foppe posted...
Do you even Dragon Ball?
An average farmer with a shotgun got a power level of 5.
Master Roshi at the 22nd Martial Arts Tournament got a power level of 139 (Yes, I know that he blew up the moon at the 21st Martial Arts Tournament). He is more than a simple human.
Now guess what power level Goku had at the start of the manga, where he is at his weakest...
10!
Heck, if we look at Dragon Ball Z: Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan, he only got a level of 2!


I suck at math, so I'll need some back up here

A simple farmer is 5 in the DB-verse, right? What kind of power does a simple farmer have? Let's say they can lift 100 pounds over their head. So Roshi can lift. . .you see, this is where I'm garbage at math. 139/5 = 27.8. . .So Roshi can lift. . .whatever, it's much lower than this, but let's just say he can lift 1,390 pounds [Level 1 Farmer can lift 100 pounds, level 139 Roshi can lift 1,390 pounds]

World record right now is 639.3 pounds after a quick Google search

Do you think if a human could gain those extra 700 pounds they could blow up the moon? No, of course not. So 1 = a LOT more in DragonBall. That Farmer With a Shotgun, who I hate more than any anime character since he re-started the show when I just wanted to fucking get to the next arc, may only be a 5, but that's really 5,000 in the DC universe

The average in DragonBall is a LOT higher than the average in DC

Your argument is that a farmer with a shotgun in the DBverse can solo a majority of the DCverse?
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008Zulu
10/20/19 7:19:33 AM
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Superman heat vision Goku's brain, rendering him a lobotomized vegetable, ships him off to Arkham Asylum under the name 'John Doe'. Goku drools away the rest of his presumably long life.
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SpiritSephiroth
10/20/19 7:19:53 AM
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YugiNoob posted...
Foppe posted...
1pGWA7b
Superman moved multiple planets across the galaxy, can Goku even move one planet?

I think Supes is helping a gigantic cosmic being with its anal fetish...


I've seen this time and again. Wouldn't those planets be fucked if they were pulled like that? >_>
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Bad_Mojo
10/20/19 7:20:35 AM
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Foppe posted...


Your argument is that a farmer with a shotgun in the DBverse can solo a majority of the DCverse?


To be fair, I don't know much about the DCverse. Most of the people I only know because of VI Seconds. And like I already said, I'm garbage at math

But I know I'm right here. I just need a smarter person to back me up

Fuck it, let's just use Batman. How much can Batman lift? Google gods help me. . .. 1,000 pounds, nice!

A bail of hay weighs about 75 pounds, something a farmer has to toss around all the time, so I think 100 is a low estimate, but whatever. But like I already said, the world record is 639. And like I said, I don't know much about the DCverse, but it's safe to say that Batman is the strongest human, right? So DC's strongest human can only dish out an extra 900 pounds in weight against a fat farmer in DB. That's [fill in % math] over someone Goku is billions of times stronger than

But I do know a thing or two about DC thanks to the Internet, and Batman has beat Superman, right? Farmer With A Shotgun is only [fill in % math] less powerful than a person that can beat Superman

Checkmate

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AlisLandale
10/20/19 7:24:02 AM
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But I do know a thing or two about DC thanks to the Internet, and Batman has beat Superman, right? Farmer With A Shotgun is only [fill in % math] less powerful than a person that can beat Superman


Vegeta can blow up the Earth in the Saiyan saga, with a single attack.

Kid Buu, who is astronomically stronger, can only blow up the earth ten times with a single attack

Tell me more about DBZ power levels and how they scale linearly >_
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Bad_Mojo
10/20/19 7:25:18 AM
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AlisLandale posted...


Vegeta can blow up the Earth in the Saiyan saga.

Kid Buu, who is astronomically stronger, can only blow up the earth ten times

Tell me more about DBZ power levels and how they scale linearly >_


I bet you're one of those people that thinks Kid Buu is the most powerful, lmao

But that's DB vs DB. What I'm saying is DB >>>> DC in terms of average power level

like a tree in DC has 200 HP and a tree in DB has 20,000

Like, if you put Spider-Man in our real world, he could solo the entire planet. But he can't in his own universe because his universe, on average, is a lot more powerful

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