Current Events > Francis Ford Coppola says Marvel movies are despicable

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Tupacrulez posted...

formulaic shovelware

Yeah but try telling that to the fans
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Hes right.

Dude made The Godfather. Wtf are yall on about?
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Has he even seen them?
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Zithers posted...

no, but that kind of money is still significant. and i don't think there was/is any resentment. scorsese, coppola, spielberg, and lucas were all friendly back in the day. especially coppola/lucas and lucas/spielberg. lucas almost made apocalypse now before star wars got funded. spielberg obv made the most 'blockbuster'-y as he virtually created the event with jaws and got the most monetary success. and i'm sure scorsese and coppola enjoy his movies.

Yeah, I mis-stated that, it's not the money, I do think it's the relevance that they're struggling with. Young audiences don't care about them anymore. I'm of an age where I can understand them feeling a bit left behind.

I'm not going to argue the virtue of the Marvel films-- they've done a good job putting the page on the screen for me, and that's it. I think they resonate further with millenial and younger audiences, though. They're redemption stories for a generation that's pessimistic and often cynical before their years. The overarching narrative is also one of a surrogate family, which I think resonates with all young people.
It might be harder for older directors to see the comfy appeal. I see it but don't completely get it.
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cjsdowg posted...

Another guy who writes almost exclusively about angry and criminal white guys complaining about Marvel. What gives with this shit.

Most of Marvel is angry and criminal white guys, tho
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The Conversation is better than The Godfather.
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What's the point of this?

Is it just famous directors complaining because no matter what their movies are gonna gross $1 billion?
Do they think people will just "wake up" and not see superhero films anymore?
Is it just a publicity stunt?

I don't get it. What's to be gained?

the fake murder sequence in the Conversation is one of the most terrifying things i've ever seen in film
not even a horror film and few of those have scenes nearly as scary

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ThanksUglyGod posted...

What's the point of this?

Is it just famous directors complaining because no matter what their movies are gonna gross $1 billion?
Do they think people will just "wake up" and not see superhero films anymore?
Is it just a publicity stunt?

I don't get it. What's to be gained?

A journalist asked for the dudes opinion and he gave it.
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He's right. When he describes what he feels cinema is what he means is that it has artistic value or merit. The MCU has no artistic value in the same sense as something like Apocalypse Now or the Godfather. The issue is that there isn't anything wrong with that. Not every movie needs to be fine cinema. There is nothing wrong with something's only value being entertainment.
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Paper_Okami posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

The argument that something can't just be entertaining is so ridiculous.

the MCU is nothing compared to something like Raiders

Nothing at what?
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As much as i dont enjoy the mcu i will never publicly say so it as to not ruin my one in a billion chance of getting with marissa tomei.
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I wouldn't trade coppola's movies for 1000 MCUs
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ledbowman posted...

I wouldn't trade coppola's movies for 1000 MCUs

well duh, 1000 MCU movies may as well just be 1 since they're all the same
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You want knowledge, you read a book. You want to be entertained, you watch a movie.
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This coming from the same man that made The Godfather Part 3.
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SuperShake666 posted...

This coming from the same man that made The Godfather Part 3.

Godfather 3 is better than almost every MCU movie
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The MCU is basically the movie equivalent of Madden games.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

The MCU is basically the movie equivalent of Madden games.

that's a pretty good analogy, considering most new iterations are just like roster updates
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SuperShake666 posted...

This coming from the same man that made The Godfather Part 3.

I mean he made Apocalypse Now, the first two Godfathers, and Bram Stokers Dracula... He could have made Godfather 3 with sofia coppola playing every role and hed still have the right to say whats a good movie or not. They asked his opinion and he gave it.
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What's the point of his comments? Is he jealous? Trolling?
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stoltenberg11 posted...

What's the point of his comments? Is he jealous? Trolling?

he was asked for his opinion and he gave it

i don't know why when any famous person says something, people automatically assume that they were specifically trying to announce it unsolicited
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konokonohamaru posted...

well duh, 1000 MCU movies may as well just be 1 since they're all the same

Imagine thinking this.
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the idea that him and scorsese are "jealous" is just hysterical and all the more proof that the average moviegoer is a complete simpleton
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konokonohamaru posted...

stoltenberg11 posted...

What's the point of his comments? Is he jealous? Trolling?

he was asked for his opinion and he gave it

i don't know why when any famous person says something, people automatically assume that they were specifically trying to announce it unsolicited

I mean he kinda gave his opinion but gave it in an authoritarian sort of way like his opinion actually mattered more than other people's. He didn't need to say the MCU was despicable, just that he didn't like it. But yeah you're right it's really nothing to get riled up over.
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16-BITTER posted...

While those filmmakers aren't wrong, TC only posts these topics to try and validate his taste for boring arthouse flicks.

If you want to be an elitist, just be an elitist dude. Stop being insecure about it and constantly trying to recruit everyone else.

I'm not huge on the indie movies, either, but I'm not in huge support of Disney/Marvel's brain dead factory made popcorn flicks. There's nothing special about most comic book films now these days.
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Zithers posted...

Kensaimage posted...

It all just comes off like sour grapes to me, to be honest.

Everyones entitled to their opinion, but the MCU hasnt been tremendously successful for nothing. Coppola here anyway especially just comes off as kind of a douche.

the guys who made goodfellas, taxi driver, raging bull, the godfather's, and apocalypse now are jealous of marvel movies

lol

Sure seems like it

lol

I like Scorsese and Coppola, but this really feels like old men yelling at clouds.
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Cinema is an art and like all art has many interpretations.
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I wouldnt go as far as to say the MCU movies are despicable. Just dumb, popcorn films. Nothing really wrong with that. Its only annoying when MCU fans parade those films around as if they are the greatest movies ever made.

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They are mindless action adventure movies that are fun to watch and i am guessing these directors are mad because hollywood isnt funding them enough because marvel movies make bank
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CRON posted...

I understand what sort of purpose MCU movies are supposed to serve, and I can understand why it can be fun to get into the lore, but holy shit are their fans the absolute worst.

*looks at the type of people who make these topics*

Nah, I don't think it's the fans who are the worst.
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My biggest gripe with Marvel movies is that they are really obviously dumb popcorn flicks but the action sequences are pretty awful too, so it's like, what really is the point?
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dave_is_slick posted...

CRON posted...

I understand what sort of purpose MCU movies are supposed to serve, and I can understand why it can be fun to get into the lore, but holy shit are their fans the absolute worst.

*looks at the type of people who make these topics*

Nah, I don't think it's the fans who are the worst.

I think they still are tbqh
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Zithers posted...

"When Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel pictures are not cinema, he's right because we expect to learn something from cinema, we expect to gain something, some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspiration.

Elitist drivel

"me and the smart people aren't inspired by this so therefore its inferior and doesn't get to be part of our club"
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Butterfiles posted...

My biggest gripe with Marvel movies is that they are really obviously dumb popcorn flicks but the action sequences are pretty awful too, so it's like, what really is the point?

That's what happens when you waste 150 to 350 million on a bunch of green screen and CGI scenes for your 10 to 15 pampered actors.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Zithers posted...

"When Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel pictures are not cinema, he's right because we expect to learn something from cinema, we expect to gain something, some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspiration.

Elitist drivel

"me and the smart people aren't inspired by this so therefore its inferior and doesn't get to be part of our club"

And this kind of post is why Marvel fans are some of the worst.
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Butterfiles posted...

My biggest gripe with Marvel movies is that they are really obviously dumb popcorn flicks but the action sequences are pretty awful too, so it's like, what really is the point?

At least to me, it's the spectacle. Seeing the battle for NY in the last act of Avengers with the whole team together or the combined might at the end of Endgame is really cool.
It's just that when I rewatch it, it's bad. Like, really bad. The hits have like no weight to them, it's over before you know what's going on, and they always fuck up the camera angles.
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sull56ivan2010 posted...

And this kind of post is why Marvel fans are some of the worst.

I'm not really much of a Marvel fan.

I'm just calling it like it is.

This is elitist drivel

"No this popular art that is widely beloved and massively successful doesn't "Count" because me and people like me who are obviously superior to you think it is beneath us, only our "proper" things count."

Is nonsense. It's just the mental version of jacking off.

Flat out right now more people will be inspired to act , direct, write music, make costumes, write stories, ask that girl out etc by watching Avengers popcorn flicks than will be inspired by The Rainmaker.

And let's face it, a lot of elitist Rainmaker fans will say the movie "doesn't count" because it's for dumb dumb inferior people who don't read the "true" book.

It's just a terrible attitude from people who have very narrow close minded views and huge egos.
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Zithers posted...

a lot of ppl will go to bat for twixt, tetro, and youth without youth.

Twixt less so but Tetro and Youth Without Youth are incredible films that make me wish he'd return to filmmaking.

I've said it before but the worst thing about super hero movies is the missed potential. Some of the source material is absolutely amazing and definitely important works of art. When did a superhero movie ever look as visually stunning and inventive as a Jack Kirby double page from the 60s/70s. Then there's plenty of great comic books in terms of writing. Sadly with marvel and others it's all just dumbed down with a bland visual palette, incoherent action scenes and none of the wonder and creativity of comic books. Comic book fans should demand better, it's baffling the way they eat up this shit.

Butterfiles posted...

My biggest gripe with Marvel movies is that they are really obviously dumb popcorn flicks but the action sequences are pretty awful too, so it's like, what really is the point?

That's how I feel about them. The special effects are just generic computer animation, and the stories are usually really dull, and the filmmaking behind them is just nothing impressive.

If I want a big special effects laden blockbuster, I'll just watch old movies.
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This is the equivalent of an older person with an outdated political view. It's not even worth acknowledging and sooner than later it won't even matter anymore.
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

That's how I feel about them. The special effects are just generic computer animation, and the stories are usually really dull, and the filmmaking behind them is just nothing impressive.

If I want a big special effects laden blockbuster, I'll just watch old movies.

Absolutely. Like a movie I watched and made a topic about earlier, Super Inframan, it's a 70s Hong Kong superhero movie and it is so visually exciting, the effects are inventive and the action scenes involve trained martial artists. I'd take that over any Marvel superhero movie.

p-m posted...

Some of the source material is absolutely amazing and definitely important works of art. When did a superhero movie ever look as visually stunning and inventive as a Jack Kirby double page from the 60s/70s.

Did you see the Valkyrie flashback in Ragnarok?

Because that scene was absolutely fucking gorgeous.
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Hes entitled to his opinion but this does come off as pretentious.

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It's okay, let the old people talk. They will soon be out of this world.
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VTBM posted...

It's okay, let the old people talk. They will soon be out of this world.

That's a really stupid thing to say. The stuff you Marvel fans post is ridiculous.
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comments like these always brings out idiots. they think that anybody who dislikes what essentially is their entire personality should be shunned. lol!
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Gafemage posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

CRON posted...

I understand what sort of purpose MCU movies are supposed to serve, and I can understand why it can be fun to get into the lore, but holy shit are their fans the absolute worst.

*looks at the type of people who make these topics*

Nah, I don't think it's the fans who are the worst.

I think they still are tbqh

*looks at the posts in said topics*

No, they definitely aren't.
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dave_is_slick posted...

Gafemage posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

CRON posted...

I understand what sort of purpose MCU movies are supposed to serve, and I can understand why it can be fun to get into the lore, but holy shit are their fans the absolute worst.

*looks at the type of people who make these topics*

Nah, I don't think it's the fans who are the worst.

I think they still are tbqh

*looks at the posts in said topics*

No, they definitely aren't.

They are, imo.
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