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EffectAndCause
10/21/19 5:18:19 PM
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...and I accidentally slip up and refer to her by a male pronoun, am I an asshole?

Ugh, I hate working with one for that reason. If I didnt know their new girly name based on looks id think they were just a gay man.

In real life it wouldnt be a big deal but at work its like carrying an anvil through a field of eggshells.
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Goats
10/21/19 5:18:36 PM
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Yes
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ssj3vegeta_
10/21/19 5:20:08 PM
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No, ita only bad if you say it after dey've made it known to you tbh
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EffectAndCause
10/21/19 5:20:36 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
But you do know her, so yeah misgendering her makes you an asshole


It wouldnt be on purpose, itd be by accident because my natural reflex is to refer to them as a man because, as ive said, they really dont look womanly at all.
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Tired-Insomniac
10/21/19 5:21:39 PM
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Did you know them for a long time as a man with their man name?

There's a MTF in our group who puts zero effort into looking like a female and even picked a female version of her male name and gets pissed the fuck off if you refer to her as a he/him/his and/or use her male name when we've known her as that name for 10+ years

She literally just came out saying "I'm a girl and this is my new name"

Still has a noticeable beard and thick body hair and dresses like a guy too
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HANGtheDJ_86
10/21/19 5:24:40 PM
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EffectAndCause posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
But you do know her, so yeah misgendering her makes you an asshole


It wouldnt be on purpose, itd be by accident because my natural reflex is to refer to them as a man because, as ive said, they really dont look womanly at all.

Well since its done on accident it doesn't make you an asshole.

But it really is something you should put more effort into getting right. A pretty uncool mistake to make imo.
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EffectAndCause
10/21/19 5:25:41 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
The fact that you said she looks like a gay man definitely doesnt help your case either.


Without knowing her name, all anyone would see is just a man thats feminine enough to be gay.
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MrFingers07
10/21/19 5:26:40 PM
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EffectAndCause
10/21/19 5:27:16 PM
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HANGtheDJ_86 posted...
EffectAndCause posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
But you do know her, so yeah misgendering her makes you an asshole


It wouldnt be on purpose, itd be by accident because my natural reflex is to refer to them as a man because, as ive said, they really dont look womanly at all.

Well since its done on accident it doesn't make you an asshole.

But it really is something you should put more effort into getting right. A pretty uncool mistake to make imo.


I do, all the time, I even stopped using man as a casual sentence ender.

But I hate that I need to take her being a girl more seriously than SHE is or I get fired.

If she wants to be a girl, totally fine, but fucking put in effort to BE A GIRL.
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Medzzz
10/21/19 5:28:02 PM
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HANGtheDJ_86
10/21/19 5:30:42 PM
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EffectAndCause posted...
HANGtheDJ_86 posted...
EffectAndCause posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
But you do know her, so yeah misgendering her makes you an asshole


It wouldnt be on purpose, itd be by accident because my natural reflex is to refer to them as a man because, as ive said, they really dont look womanly at all.

Well since its done on accident it doesn't make you an asshole.

But it really is something you should put more effort into getting right. A pretty uncool mistake to make imo.


I do, all the time, I even stopped using man as a casual sentence ender.

But I hate that I need to take her being a girl more seriously than SHE is or I get fired.

If she wants to be a girl, totally fine, but fucking put in effort to BE A GIRL.

You're one of em traditionalist types, aren't ya?
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sylverlolol
10/21/19 5:35:21 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
But you do know her, so yeah misgendering her makes you an asshole

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eston
10/21/19 5:40:01 PM
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If this is someone you interact with regularly then it shouldn't be that hard, unless you are in fact an asshole
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EffectAndCause
10/21/19 5:41:16 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Why doesnt everyones appearance align with my preconceived notion of what certain genders and sexuality orientations look like?


Why do people keep misgendering me?! *strokes beard while they think it over*
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EffectAndCause
10/21/19 6:18:40 PM
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Tired-Insomniac posted...
Did you know them for a long time as a man with their man name?

There's a MTF in our group who puts zero effort into looking like a female and even picked a female version of her male name and gets pissed the fuck off if you refer to her as a he/him/his and/or use her male name when we've known her as that name for 10+ years

She literally just came out saying "I'm a girl and this is my new name"

Still has a noticeable beard and thick body hair and dresses like a guy too


Ugh, its basically entrapment. Like Ill literally change nothing about myself but suddenly announce im a girl and force them to play along or theyll get fired!

shockthemonkey posted...
EffectAndCause posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Why doesnt everyones appearance align with my preconceived notion of what certain genders and sexuality orientations look like?


Why do people keep misgendering me?! *strokes beard while they think it over*

You gonna call her gay while she thinks it over?


Uh...no?
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Umbreon
10/21/19 6:24:11 PM
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This really isn't something that you should be this worried about.

If you slip, just correct yourself.

There's no reason to be concerned unless you want to misgender her intentionally, in which case you would proceed to be the asshole.
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Gobstoppers12
10/21/19 6:25:27 PM
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Umbreon posted...

If you slip, just correct yourself

This often isn't enough. The slip in itself is seen as bigotry.
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WerewolfPaws
10/21/19 6:28:31 PM
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If you didnt know beforehand, no.
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Tmaster148
10/21/19 6:31:05 PM
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You misgendered someone you know and are seriously asking if you are an asshole in this situation.
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Guide
10/21/19 6:33:30 PM
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I'm all for trans rights but I can't see you as an asshole for this at all. You're learning to make an exception for something you've been conditioned for in 99.9% of other cases for 99.9% of your life. Slip ups are gonna happen. You mean no offense.
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Tmaster148
10/21/19 6:34:29 PM
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Guide posted...
I'm all for trans rights but I can't see you as an asshole for this at all. You're learning to make an exception for something you've been conditioned for in 99.9% of other cases for 99.9% of your life. Slip ups are gonna happen. You mean no offense.


TC is putting no effort in trying to correct his mistake. He's coming off as someone who doesn't take trans people seriously which is a problem.
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EffectAndCause
10/21/19 6:34:55 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
You misgendered someone you know and are seriously asking if you are an asshole in this situation.


I havent done it out loud, ive come close a few times though because nothing about how they present themselves suggests theyre a woman.

Plus they even tow the line even further by making transgender jokes, like basically inviting you to join in and be the one to say something offensive.

Its pretty much why I dont talk to her at all, safer that way.
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EffectAndCause
10/21/19 6:37:21 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
Guide posted...
I'm all for trans rights but I can't see you as an asshole for this at all. You're learning to make an exception for something you've been conditioned for in 99.9% of other cases for 99.9% of your life. Slip ups are gonna happen. You mean no offense.


TC is putting no effort in trying to correct his mistake. He's coming off as someone who doesn't take trans people seriously which is a problem.


Im absolutely putting in all efforts, but why should we have to take transgender people more seriously than they take themselves?
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Guide
10/21/19 6:38:33 PM
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Alright, now I feel like I fell for bait.
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karlpilkington4
10/21/19 6:39:04 PM
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EffectAndCause posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Guide posted...
I'm all for trans rights but I can't see you as an asshole for this at all. You're learning to make an exception for something you've been conditioned for in 99.9% of other cases for 99.9% of your life. Slip ups are gonna happen. You mean no offense.


TC is putting no effort in trying to correct his mistake. He's coming off as someone who doesn't take trans people seriously which is a problem.


Im absolutely putting in all efforts, but why should we have to take transgender people more seriously than they take themselves?


Dont take the bait mate.
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Tmaster148
10/21/19 6:39:45 PM
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No surprise Karl is going to defend an anti-trans post.
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Umbreon
10/21/19 6:40:12 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Umbreon posted...

If you slip, just correct yourself

This often isn't enough. The slip in itself is seen as bigotry.


Nah. People can read context usually. It's not hard to tell someone who's actually apoplectic and who's insincere.
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Guide
10/21/19 6:41:15 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Umbreon posted...

If you slip, just correct yourself

This often isn't enough. The slip in itself is seen as bigotry.


I have not seen that to be the case. Probably in a sensationalist piece or two.
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Umbreon
10/21/19 6:41:28 PM
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Guide posted...
Alright, now I feel like I fell for bait.


Same.
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EffectAndCause
10/21/19 6:41:42 PM
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Basically they must NEED to tell every single person they ever interact with that theyre a transgender girl because anyone in the world would assume theyre a gay man.
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karlpilkington4
10/21/19 6:49:36 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
No surprise Karl is going to defend an anti-trans post.


No surprise you add **** that doesn't exist to other peoples posts.
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HANGtheDJ_86
10/21/19 6:50:25 PM
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EffectAndCause posted...
Basically they must NEED to tell every single person they ever interact with that theyre a transgender girl because anyone in the world would assume theyre a gay man.

It really just depends on how the person handles it after they find out.

We're trying to warn you but it seems you're pretty dead set already.
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Vicious_Dios
10/21/19 7:04:12 PM
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No.

But, ugh... I feel for you, TC.


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DarkChozoGhost
10/21/19 7:22:29 PM
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Not remotely surprising that TC showed his colors more and more as the topic progressed.

Yes, given the context it would indeed make you an asshole.
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EffectAndCause
10/21/19 8:00:13 PM
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I dont have any true colors, I support transgenders, its just seems pretty damn counterproductive to me when they want to be treated and respected as a woman when they cant be bothered to present themselves convincingly enough to receive that treatment, and then flip out if/when theyre misgendered.

Ive been able to watch what I say and completely try to treat her as if shes a girl, but if she actually committed to BEING a girl itd a lot easier for everyone.
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DocileOrangeCup
10/21/19 8:01:50 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Umbreon posted...

If you slip, just correct yourself

This often isn't enough. The slip in itself is seen as bigotry.

Wtf the slip is one of my favorite albums
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OnWingsOfMisery
10/21/19 8:02:07 PM
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I worked with someone like that who went out of their way to try to get misgendered, because of the opportunity to get on a pulpit about the subject. So freaking annoying. It didn't last long because eventually management realized that attending every Diversity & Inclusion bullshit workshop isn't a substitute for, you know, actually delivering quality work. Some people got fired after that realization and the workplace became a lot better.
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MudKip_Master
10/21/19 10:51:16 PM
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Even if they've told you of their pronoun preferrence, I imagine it would still be confusing since you've been basing on appearances for all your life.
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gunplagirl
10/22/19 3:56:55 PM
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Umbreon posted...
Guide posted...
Alright, now I feel like I fell for bait.


Same.


I'm glad two people realized that TC made this topic to bait. He's made a nearly identical one at least twice before, btw.
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inloveanddeath0
10/22/19 3:57:54 PM
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How obvious are we talking here
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