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Ivynn
10/21/19 10:55:56 PM
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THIS GUY

Finally got around to playing it after remembering "hey wasn't this game big a while ago? Might as well check it out."

I'm surprised it was so short. Beat it in a little over 3 hours. It was pretty fun. Unique battle system. But outside of a few very bullet hell-y bosses (Mettatron, Asgore, Flowey), it was pretty easy.

Speaking of Flowey, that was one hell of a gimmicky and trippy final fight! Would make Kojima proud.

Anyway, I guess I did the Neutral playthrough? I know there's two more ways to play through it (Genocide and Pacifist). So I'll get to those sometime. Is it just gameplay or are there actual story differences? I don't mean dialogue changes, but actual new stuff you wouldn't see in a different playthrough? If it does, I might prioritize doing them sooner rather than later, if I didn't get the full Undertale story.

It was an interesting game tho I don't quite know why it became the phenomenon it did. It's a good game. But not really more than that?

Music was very good too. Really dug that Earthbound influence.

Solid 8/10
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Guide
10/21/19 10:56:54 PM
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Pacifist has all the story, or at least the most contest.

Genocide is essentially a hardmode boss run.
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s0nicfan
10/21/19 10:57:05 PM
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Significant story differences but only at the end. Also keep in mind that once you do a Genocide run you can never do a true Pacifist run. Like... outside of messing with game files (and even then with cloud saves I'm not sure how easy it is) the game alters itself so it's impossible to achieve.
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Guide
10/21/19 10:57:33 PM
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bruh i would not divulge that info
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s0nicfan
10/21/19 10:58:34 PM
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Guide posted...
bruh i would not divulge that info


I'll put it in spoilers, but it doesn't give away anything other than a gimmick of the software that would piss someone off if they found out after the fact.
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Ivynn
10/21/19 11:00:29 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Significant story differences but only at the end. Also keep in mind that once you do a Genocide run you can never do a true Pacifist run. Like... outside of messing with game files (and even then with cloud saves I'm not sure how easy it is) the game alters itself so it's impossible to achieve.


I was thinking of doing the Genocide run next. I figured Pacifist would be the fullest story so I was gonna save it for last. Also to end my Undertale gaming on a happy note since a run where you kill everybody is bound to have a depressing atmosphere. >_>
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Ivynn
10/21/19 11:01:46 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Guide posted...
bruh i would not divulge that info


I'll put it in spoilers, but it doesn't give away anything other than a gimmick of the software that would piss someone off if they found out after the fact.


I do appreciate it because that sounds like it would piss me off actually lol

Like, I get being committed to the gimmick but altering the game permanently? That's a little far.
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Darmik
10/21/19 11:06:54 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Significant story differences but only at the end. Also keep in mind that once you do a Genocide run you can never do a true Pacifist run. Like... outside of messing with game files (and even then with cloud saves I'm not sure how easy it is) the game alters itself so it's impossible to achieve.


Isn't it basically the exact same but there's just one small indication that your character has been altered on the final screen?

I do agree pacifist is better to do first.
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s0nicfan
10/21/19 11:09:51 PM
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Darmik posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Significant story differences but only at the end. Also keep in mind that once you do a Genocide run you can never do a true Pacifist run. Like... outside of messing with game files (and even then with cloud saves I'm not sure how easy it is) the game alters itself so it's impossible to achieve.


Isn't it basically the exact same but there's just one small indication that your character has been altered on the final screen?

I do agree pacifist is better to do first.


Yes, but the way it's presented is meant to intentionally bug you, to make sure you notice every time.
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Darmik
10/21/19 11:14:42 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Darmik posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Significant story differences but only at the end. Also keep in mind that once you do a Genocide run you can never do a true Pacifist run. Like... outside of messing with game files (and even then with cloud saves I'm not sure how easy it is) the game alters itself so it's impossible to achieve.


Isn't it basically the exact same but there's just one small indication that your character has been altered on the final screen?

I do agree pacifist is better to do first.


Yes, but the way it's presented is meant to intentionally bug you, to make sure you notice every time.


I think the intention of the game is to bug you going for the Genocide ending whenever you get it heh.

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Ivynn
10/21/19 11:14:47 PM
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So what order should I do? I already did Neutral first, what exactly keeps me from doing a true Pacifist run if I do Genocide before it?
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s0nicfan
10/21/19 11:16:27 PM
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Ivynn posted...
So what order should I do? I already did Neutral first, what exactly keeps me from doing a true Pacifist run if I do Genocide before it?


Do true pacifist next, and then genocide.

Like I said, once you complete a genocide run the game makes it so even if you try a true pacifist run you get a modified ending. It remembers.
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Darmik
10/21/19 11:16:35 PM
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Ivynn posted...
So what order should I do? I already did Neutral first, what exactly keeps me from doing a true Pacifist run if I do Genocide before it?


Nothing. You can still do it.

Did you ever kill a character, reload the game and they made vague comments about you killing them? It's sorta like that. The ending overall plays out the same but the implications are slightly different due to what you've done in a previous playthrough.

I think the game does this for lots of things too.
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Abiz_
10/21/19 11:18:57 PM
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Bob Kelso is that you?
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ChocoboMog123
10/21/19 11:22:27 PM
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I think the intention is that you play through a neutral game first, then realize you don't have to kill anyone. So you're encouraged to do a pacifist run for the "true" ending. Finally, if you're an evil person, you do the genocide run.

I think the most heart-wrenching death in the game is neutral Undyne. So if you made it past that, the rest should be cake.
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GiftedACIII
10/22/19 2:14:31 AM
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Neutral isn't even the full game. It might as well just be the thing that unlocks the true ending because the pacifist ending just builds off it. Genocide is separated from the two.
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Ivynn
10/22/19 12:00:28 PM
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OK, I'll do True Pacifist next.

Also apparently I was supposed to spare Flowey. Oops. Can you blame me? That fucker was annoying.

ChocoboMog123 posted...
I think the most heart-wrenching death in the game is neutral Undyne. So if you made it past that, the rest should be cake.


Yeah, that was harsh. I didn't even want to kill her, but for some reason spare didn't work.
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GiftedACIII
10/23/19 12:12:01 PM
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lol that's pretty violent . Sparing Flowey is what gives all the extra dialogue. Did you at least look it up? You can't redo it after you kill him.

And Undyne is one of the tougher ones but once you figure it out you'll be slapping your head.
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Ivynn
10/23/19 6:31:49 PM
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Yeah. All he does if you spared him is give you hints on how to get the true ending, which is do the pacifist route.

Which I started up because why not. I haven't killed any of the monsters and just finished a date with Papyrus. I hope I'm able to spare Undyne this time, she seems like a fun character to get to know.
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ultimate reaver
10/23/19 6:36:30 PM
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Pacifist contains the thing I think most people love about the game. It adds to the story immensely

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Ivynn
10/23/19 10:26:36 PM
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Ivynn posted...
I hope I'm able to spare Undyne this time, she seems like a fun character to get to know.


And my god she is.

Just finished the hangout with her.

I think I love her.
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ThyCorndog
10/24/19 4:41:10 PM
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I started it 2 days ago and did true pacifist. now i'm doing genocide and I feel like a dick killing everyone after just becoming everyones friend yesterday. oh well. sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do
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Ivynn
10/24/19 4:53:50 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
I started it 2 days ago and did true pacifist. now i'm doing genocide and I feel like a dick killing everyone after just becoming everyones friend yesterday. oh well. sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do


You did True Pacifist first? Because I read it's impossible to do without doing a Neutral playthrough first.

Anyway, I wish someone told me I was supposed to save the Spider Donut. Muffet fight took me an hour. ;p
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SSJKirby
10/24/19 4:55:43 PM
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How many bosses did you kill in the neutral run
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Ivynn
10/24/19 4:57:56 PM
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SSJKirby posted...
How many bosses did you kill in the neutral run


I spared Toriel and Papyrus, but killed every boss after that.
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s0nicfan
10/24/19 5:03:05 PM
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Ivynn posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
I started it 2 days ago and did true pacifist. now i'm doing genocide and I feel like a dick killing everyone after just becoming everyones friend yesterday. oh well. sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do


You did True Pacifist first? Because I read it's impossible to do without doing a Neutral playthrough first.

Anyway, I wish someone told me I was supposed to save the Spider Donut. Muffet fight took me an hour. ;p


I think there's a gimmick / exploit where if you play through the first time aiming for True pacifist, you can load your save right before the last boss after you beat the game and beat it again to get that ending without having to replay the entire thing. It's possible that was patched out though.
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ThyCorndog
10/24/19 5:06:31 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Ivynn posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
I started it 2 days ago and did true pacifist. now i'm doing genocide and I feel like a dick killing everyone after just becoming everyones friend yesterday. oh well. sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do


You did True Pacifist first? Because I read it's impossible to do without doing a Neutral playthrough first.

Anyway, I wish someone told me I was supposed to save the Spider Donut. Muffet fight took me an hour. ;p


I think there's a gimmick / exploit where if you play through the first time aiming for True pacifist, you can load your save right before the last boss after you beat the game and beat it again to get that ending without having to replay the entire thing. It's possible that was patched out though.

when I finished my normal pacifist run it said I can load my save and I should go to a certain place. I don't think it's an exploit when the game told me to do it lol

but yeah if you just dont kill anything and befriend everyone, you don't have to replay the game
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Darmik
10/24/19 5:07:03 PM
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Ivynn posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
I started it 2 days ago and did true pacifist. now i'm doing genocide and I feel like a dick killing everyone after just becoming everyones friend yesterday. oh well. sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do


You did True Pacifist first? Because I read it's impossible to do without doing a Neutral playthrough first.

Anyway, I wish someone told me I was supposed to save the Spider Donut. Muffet fight took me an hour. ;p


True Pacifist continues after the Neutral ending. I did it in one playthrough too.
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DeathDeathSong
10/24/19 5:09:22 PM
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day one undertale fan here
be sure to check out deltarune too, it has a different battle mechanic and is pretty fun

have you run into any of the FUN stuff like the gaster followers? or sans's secret lab?
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SSJKirby
10/24/19 8:02:08 PM
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Ivynn posted...
SSJKirby posted...
How many bosses did you kill in the neutral run


I spared Toriel and Papyrus, but killed every boss after that.

you saw Undyne's neutral death, which is one of my favourite moments in the game, good
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Tyranthraxus
10/24/19 8:13:14 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Significant story differences but only at the end
Genocide story changes immediately as soon as you get through the ruins.

The pacifist one of the one that's the same as neutral until the end.

Not really spoilers but blocked anyway if you do a pacifist run you get one extra dungeon and a totally different final boss. Genocide doesn't have an extra dungeon but you don't really fight any bosses either except 2.

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Tyranthraxus
10/24/19 8:14:21 PM
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Darmik posted...
True Pacifist continues after the Neutral ending. I did it in one playthrough too.


That only works if you have 0xp at the end of a neutral run.

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10/24/19 8:17:43 PM
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DeathDeathSong
10/24/19 8:52:20 PM
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Ah, Undertale, a masterpiece. Wish Deltarune had the same charm, it was good but not nearly as good as the bar Undertale had set.

you cant judge the entire game based on the first chapter. we have no idea whats gonna happen in the rest of deltarune
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DeathDeathSong
10/24/19 10:09:58 PM
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Deltarune didn't really have that. It felt rather watered down, the magic wasn't really there.

speak for yourself, man
i was absolutely enamored with the weird sort of mini ARG toby was doing on twitter the day before it launched and then that whole beginning sequence had me losing my mind. my hype is absolutely through the roof for this game
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Tyranthraxus
10/24/19 10:27:38 PM
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I just want to play more with the shark girl

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GiftedACIII
10/24/19 11:53:26 PM
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DeathDeathSong posted...
RedWhiteBlue posted...
Deltarune didn't really have that. It felt rather watered down, the magic wasn't really there.

speak for yourself, man
i was absolutely enamored with the weird sort of mini ARG toby was doing on twitter the day before it launched and then that whole beginning sequence had me losing my mind. my hype is absolutely through the roof for this game

Yeah, I think Deltarune chapter 1 is much better than the Ruins or even all the way up to the Undyne fight.
Also, the mechanics with the grazing is even more similar to touho which he was greatly inspired by.
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Ivynn
10/25/19 9:15:28 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I just want to play more with the shark girl


Undyne gives a whole new meaning to the word "fishwife" lol

Finished the True Pacifist run. Started it up again and got a message from Flowey/Asriel

....I'm not gonna be able to do the Genocide run without feeling like a piece of shit, am I?
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Tyranthraxus
10/25/19 9:25:57 PM
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Ivynn posted...
Undyne gives a whole new meaning to the word "fishwife" lol


Oh no I meant in Delta Rune one of the characters, Suzie, is a shark.

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DeathDeathSong
10/25/19 11:57:37 PM
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what
susie isnt a shark
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Ivynn
10/27/19 5:06:18 PM
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Started the Genocide run yesterday. The music change after wiping an area of monsters is eerie. And man, Undyne's dialog before you fight her makes it feel like she's the hero and you're the villain. Which I guess is the point. >_> Kinda stuck on her right now, she's the first boss battle that's actually a challenge this run.
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VandorLee
10/27/19 5:07:56 PM
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Its cool if you like it and ive never played it because everything ive heard or seen about the game looks horrible.
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Tyranthraxus
10/27/19 10:09:03 PM
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Ivynn posted...
Started the Genocide run yesterday. The music change after wiping an area of monsters is eerie. And man, Undyne's dialog before you fight her makes it feel like she's the hero and you're the villain. Which I guess is the point. >_> Kinda stuck on her right now, she's the first boss battle that's actually a challenge this run.


The song that plays when you fight her is called "battle against a true hero"

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FvP
10/27/19 10:14:42 PM
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I've tried to play a couple of times and never got so hooked that I finished it all

I ended up watching xQc stream most of it. I think I've listened to the soundtrack more (namely the spider fight one).
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GiftedACIII
10/29/19 7:07:56 AM
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Ivynn posted...
Started the Genocide run yesterday. The music change after wiping an area of monsters is eerie. And man, Undyne's dialog before you fight her makes it feel like she's the hero and you're the villain. Which I guess is the point. >_> Kinda stuck on her right now, she's the first boss battle that's actually a challenge this run.

Her arrow patterns are the exact same each time so it just becomes memorization.
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Tyranthraxus
10/29/19 8:41:22 AM
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GiftedACIII posted...
Her arrow patterns are the exact same each time so it just becomes memorization.
The triple spear thing is random but it's also the easiest one to dodge.

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ThyCorndog
10/29/19 9:05:39 AM
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the genocide fights were too annoying for me to continue feeling bad about killing everyone lol
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Ivynn
10/29/19 10:06:24 PM
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I haven't had much time to play lately but still struggling with Undyne lol

GiftedACIII posted...
Her arrow patterns are the exact same each time so it just becomes memorization.


Are they? Because they certainly feel like they're different. It's mostly the reverse arrows that trip me up for some reason. And at least one spear always hits me.

ThyCorndog posted...
the genocide fights were too annoying for me to continue feeling bad about killing everyone lol


Have you finished it yet?
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