Current Events > Do incels DESERVE to be involuntarily celibate?

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Damn_Underscore
10/24/19 8:57:55 PM
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????? - Results (6 votes)
All of them or almost all of them deserve it
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Most do, but perhaps some do not deserve it
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Most don't, but perhaps some do deserve it
33.33% (2 votes)
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None or almost none of them deserve it, or no one deserves it.
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R1masher
10/24/19 8:59:32 PM
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*squints and spits*
whats deserve got to do with it
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008Zulu
10/24/19 9:00:26 PM
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Their attitudes prove they deserve it.
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Blue_Dream87
10/24/19 9:05:08 PM
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Most of them do, but some have just been unfortunate and were sucked into a community that alleviates their pain by directing bitterness towards women

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KILBOTz
10/24/19 9:17:17 PM
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They all deserve it. No one is entitled to sex, need to find a willing partner. Doesnt necessarily mean they are bad or should never have sex but its their responsibility to change if they dont like their current situation.

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DeadBankerDream
10/24/19 9:18:04 PM
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Damn_Underscore
10/25/19 9:51:30 AM
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this seems appropriate

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EvenSpoonier
10/25/19 10:25:42 AM
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They would, if they were actually involuntarily celibate. If you can't convince anyone to consent to sex, you are the one with the problem, not anyone else.

But here's the thing: almost none of them are involuntarily celibate. They choose this. We live in a world where anonymous, meaningless, and/or paid sex is easier to get than it has been in hundreds if not thousands of years. Almost every incel could go out there and end their celibacy in a few hours, or at the absolute worst a couple of days, yet they refuse. And that's totally their prerogative: the principle of consent applies to them the same way it applies to everyone else, after all.

But it does mean that that their celibacy is their choice. In fact, that's literally the entire point of consent culture: to prevent any form of sexual behavior, including celibacy, from being forced on anyone. It is not forced on them either; they choose it. And we can all sit back and say the world is better for their choice, because they are clearly not ready for this thing they want so badly, but we must always keep in mind that it is their choice. Especially because they have forgotten.
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EndOfDiscOne
10/25/19 10:45:14 AM
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EvenSpoonier posted...
They would, if they were actually involuntarily celibate. If you can't convince anyone to consent to sex, you are the one with the problem, not anyone else.

But here's the thing: almost none of them are involuntarily celibate. They choose this. We live in a world where anonymous, meaningless, and/or paid sex is easier to get than it has been in hundreds if not thousands of years. Almost every incel could go out there and end their celibacy in a few hours, or at the absolute worst a couple of days, yet they refuse. And that's totally their prerogative: the principle of consent applies to them the same way it applies to everyone else, after all.

But it does mean that that their celibacy is their choice. In fact, that's literally the entire point of consent culture: to prevent any form of sexual behavior, including celibacy, from being forced on anyone. It is not forced on them either; they choose it. And we can all sit back and say the world is better for their choice, because they are clearly not ready for this thing they want so badly, but we must always keep in mind that it is their choice. Especially because they have forgotten.

It's not voluntary and I think you're making it too complicated by saying that it is. These guys literally don't know how to get a partner, paid or not.
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Damn_Underscore
10/25/19 11:00:05 AM
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Even if they went to a prostitute (say a legal one so they are staying within the limits of society) would that really change anything? They would still be the same exact person who can't get in a a relationship, they just paid for sex.
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ElatedVenusaur
10/25/19 11:02:36 AM
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Yeah, no one's entitled to some one else's body.
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TheGreatGeno6
10/25/19 11:05:00 AM
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The vast majority do. Not all though, some people are born with deformities or severe mental issues and really can't help it
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Prismsblade
10/25/19 11:21:03 AM
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Nobody deserves to live such a way. The problem is that nobody teaches man what to do in life without a woman. Like at all. This is why man like Jorden Peterson weather you like him or not are a necessity to a degree.

Everything they're meant to do in life still is a means toward a end. Be it either a endless cycle of hooks up, sex and drama. Or marrying a woman, fathering children and raising and providing for them.

Outside of that? You minus well be trash.

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Guide
10/25/19 12:37:09 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Nobody deserves to live such a way. The problem is that nobody teaches man what to do in life without a woman. Like at all. This is why man like Jorden Peterson weather you like him or not are a necessity to a degree.

Everything they're meant to do in life still is a means toward a end. Be it either a endless cycle of hooks up, sex and drama. Or marrying a woman, fathering children and raising and providing for them.

Outside of that? You minus well be trash.


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Zikten
10/25/19 12:54:33 PM
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EvenSpoonier posted...
They would, if they were actually involuntarily celibate. If you can't convince anyone to consent to sex, you are the one with the problem, not anyone else.

But here's the thing: almost none of them are involuntarily celibate. They choose this. We live in a world where anonymous, meaningless, and/or paid sex is easier to get than it has been in hundreds if not thousands of years. Almost every incel could go out there and end their celibacy in a few hours, or at the absolute worst a couple of days, yet they refuse. And that's totally their prerogative: the principle of consent applies to them the same way it applies to everyone else, after all.

But it does mean that that their celibacy is their choice. In fact, that's literally the entire point of consent culture: to prevent any form of sexual behavior, including celibacy, from being forced on anyone. It is not forced on them either; they choose it. And we can all sit back and say the world is better for their choice, because they are clearly not ready for this thing they want so badly, but we must always keep in mind that it is their choice. Especially because they have forgotten.

some people are too shy. I'm not a woman hater incel. but I am a socially inept virgin who wouldn't even know how to find a prostitute let alone know how to interact with her
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pauIie
10/25/19 12:55:00 PM
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008Zulu posted...
Their attitudes prove they deserve it.

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DarkChozoGhost
10/25/19 12:56:11 PM
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The ones within the incel community do.
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KogaSteelfang
10/25/19 1:16:59 PM
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I do. I'm garbage.
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Notti
10/25/19 1:19:20 PM
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EvenSpoonier posted...
They choose this. We live in a world where anonymous, meaningless, and/or paid sex is easier to get than it has been in hundreds if not thousands of years. Almost every incel could go out there and end their celibacy in a few hours, or at the absolute worst a couple of days, yet they refuse.


At some point they have to accept responsibility for their position.

Sex is practically falling out of trees today (I credit internet porn for changing the average women's proclivities). Handies are basically a good night kiss.

If sex is this big a hangup for them... too nervous, or whatever... they need to seriously consider shattering that hangup by paying, or it's just going to dominate their mind.

Get it over with and pay.

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EndOfDiscOne
10/25/19 1:22:26 PM
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I'm not an incel and I had a pretty active social life from 18-26. I still would have no idea how to go about getting a prostitute, outside of flying to Vegas. I've done stuff with strippers but that's not reliable.
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ThyCorndog
10/25/19 1:24:47 PM
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if you get into the mindset of "deserve" then you're basically an honorary incel. them thinking they deserve sex is a major part of inceldom
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Notti
10/25/19 1:28:04 PM
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Zikten posted...
some people are too shy. I'm not a woman hater incel. but I am a socially inept virgin who wouldn't even know how to find a prostitute let alone know how to interact with her


I wouldn't know how to find one either... but this is the internet. I'm sure it's a google away.

You don't have to know "how to interact with her", she will help you. Like going to a doctor.
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Notti
10/25/19 1:42:49 PM
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RedWhiteBlue posted...
We can all agree that forcing someone to fuck someone they don't want to is wrong.


Unfortunately being nervous and shy means they overthink things too much, and the fear of embarrassment is too strong in some.

So instead of setting these big relationship goals and trying to get it all in the 1st relationship, they are the type that need to cut the goal up into many smaller parts.

Once they become more comfortable with the sex part of things, they can then handle trying to relate to a freely cooperative woman without as much fear for messing up other aspects.
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ArchiePeck
10/25/19 1:45:52 PM
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If you have an attitude that you are entitled to a sex life, and out of bitterness and jealousy that you don't you instead shame women for having one, you're pretty awful and need to have a word with yourself.
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Celestial_Red
10/25/19 2:29:16 PM
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008Zulu posted...
Their attitudes prove they deserve it.

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MedeaLysistrata
10/26/19 2:10:45 AM
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idk but my opinion will mirror my opinion on moderator discretion
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Notti
10/28/19 6:16:30 AM
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ArchiePeck posted...
If you have an attitude that you are entitled to a sex life, and out of bitterness and jealousy that you don't you instead shame women for having one, you're pretty awful and need to have a word with yourself.


This obsession and hate with their own lack of sex life is so weird to me. I was a virgin in highschool and knew virgins, and no one was even close to this bitter and toxic over women. These incel communities re-enforce and amplify this negativity. It's not helping them.
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EvenSpoonier
10/28/19 6:34:51 PM
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totalnerdken posted...
Deserves is a strong word, basically victim blaming. But they should try to change if they want to have sex.

It's not victim-blaming if they aren't victims. That's the whole point: no one has done anything wrong to them.
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MrMallard
10/28/19 6:39:55 PM
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No-one necessarily deserves it, but they aren't entitled to the love of a woman and they're not going to find it for themselves without making some drastic measures in their own life.

If they're going to spend the rest of their lives throwing around 1950's sexism, saying that society "murdered their children" by virtue of blocking him from splattering in a vagoo the second they became potent and idolizing people like Elliot Rodger for "exposing society's injustice", then maybe they do deserve it. You're not going to get laid sounding like an entitled fucking serial killer/rapist.
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defauIt
10/28/19 6:40:57 PM
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Were all working with what we're given

No one deserves anything
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vigorm0rtis
10/28/19 6:41:22 PM
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008Zulu posted...
Their attitudes prove they deserve it.


This.
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Tyrannosaurus
10/28/19 6:43:31 PM
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Having sex is not a right.

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Lost_All_Senses
10/28/19 6:44:44 PM
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We are all here involuntarily. Then it's seen as a selfish sin to back out. Experiencing stuff involuntarily is a huge part of life. I think they're like most people where all they can see is what's happening to them and couldn't care less about what's happening to others. So in return, they deserve the same treatment.
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TheMikh
10/28/19 6:47:06 PM
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do poor people deserve to be poor
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Lost_All_Senses
10/28/19 6:47:38 PM
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TheMikh posted...
do poor people deserve to be poor


That doesn't matter when someone can't get his peepee wet
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TheMikh
10/28/19 6:53:15 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
TheMikh posted...
do poor people deserve to be poor


That doesn't matter when someone can't get his peepee wet

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DarthAragorn
10/28/19 6:53:32 PM
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TheMikh posted...
do poor people deserve to be poor

clearly poor people choose to be poor
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Lost_All_Senses
10/28/19 6:54:24 PM
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TheMikh posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
TheMikh posted...
do poor people deserve to be poor


That doesn't matter when someone can't get his peepee wet

whoosh


You're the one who just took a post with the word "peepee" in it at face value >_>
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Disengaged
10/28/19 7:03:31 PM
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EverDownward
10/28/19 7:05:06 PM
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I'd argue most don't
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The Wheelman1
10/28/19 10:09:04 PM
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They don't deserve it, but they are not entitled to getting girls either. They need to work on their appearance and social skills to attract the ladies. Girls will only fuck guys on their terms, not the guys.
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I is smart
10/30/19 4:59:04 AM
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Lot of circular logic in this topic, "If you've never had sex you don't deserve to have sex" being the top answer is a whole lotta derp...
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EvenSpoonier
10/30/19 6:38:20 AM
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I is smart posted...
Lot of circular logic in this topic, "If you've never had sex you don't deserve to have sex" being the top answer is a whole lotta derp...

If someone rejects you, that's their problem. If everyone rejects you, that's your problem. Simple as that, really. Nothing circular about it.
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NonDairyMiltank
10/30/19 7:17:34 AM
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EvenSpoonier posted...
I is smart posted...
Lot of circular logic in this topic, "If you've never had sex you don't deserve to have sex" being the top answer is a whole lotta derp...

If someone rejects you, that's their problem. If everyone rejects you, that's your problem. Simple as that, really. Nothing circular about it.

that can be a slippery slope if you applied that to every demographic known for complaints about being rejected by majorities...

some trans people for example complaining about the mass majority of cisgender folk not bein interested
you sure you wanna stick with that rhetoric...?
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Beveren_Rabbit
10/30/19 7:21:52 AM
#49:


008Zulu posted...
Their attitudes prove they deserve it.


being treated like garbage all their life is going to give them a negative attitude. The difference between you and an incel is that when you fail at something, you have emotional support.
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Wii_Shaker
10/30/19 8:05:47 AM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
008Zulu posted...
Their attitudes prove they deserve it.


being treated like garbage all their life is going to give them a negative attitude. The difference between you and an incel is that when you fail at something, you have emotional support.


I agree with this. Incel is just another label put on a group of people by another group of people. It's not even how they view themselves.

Unfortunately there are alot of people out there who do not have the social skills necessary to function in society and lots of those people probably have undiagnosed mental problems on top of a number of other unfortunate situations.

Not all of these people deserve your hate or judgement. On the other side of the coin, some of them do.
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10/30/19 8:21:39 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
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