Poll of the Day > Who are you voting for? I like this Andrew Yang guy.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Also less related to topic:

Also apparently if you dont support Warren over Bernie you are a sexist who backs an old white guy.

Apparently even AOC is being thrown under the bus XDD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pfM4WcqL9A" data-time="&start=251

Liberal media gunna fuck over the election again and get Trump re-elected again because they cant unite.
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Yang > Bernie > Warren > everyone else

deoxxys posted...

Liberal media gunna fuck over the election again and get Trump re-elected again because they cant unite.
twylite sprinkle

And blame it on moderates.
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Id like Tulsi Gabbard to win, but the way its looking, she might not make it out of the primaries. Especially if the DNC fucks it all up again.

OguriSama
A pokemon in every pocket!
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Zareth posted...

Yang > Bernie > Warren > everyone else

deoxxys posted...

Liberal media gunna fuck over the election again and get Trump re-elected again because they cant unite.
twylite sprinkle

And blame it on moderates.

Excuse me for my ignorance but what stations/channels are the moderate media?
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Ogurisama posted...

OguriSama
A pokemon in every pocket!

Vote this guy
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Trump cus I want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
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I like: Tulsi Gabbard, Andrew Yang, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and Pete...B... the best. Corey Booker and that old billionaire dude are also ok from what I've seen thus far.

Would be fine w/ any of them winning the nomination.
And honestly literally everyone who's been on that Democratic debate stage so far I would vote for over Donald Trump.

I dont think anyone other than Bernie has the potential to actually beat trump in the election next year so him.
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Yang is a lousy candidate. He has the same lack of experience and policy knowledge that Trump has, in addition to some stupidly far-left policy plans. The moment he brought up UBI automatically disqualified him. Now he's literally giving money away and he can't make it into the top 5.

Otherwise I had been a Booker fan for years (especially after seeing Street Fight) and assumed he'd be president someday, but he's been so hollow on the debate stage which belies that he's more the product of self-promotion and media hype than anything. Right now, I don't strongly favor any of the candidates. Tulsi Gabbard scored some points last debate, Mayor Pete has occasionally been alright on some things (although the guy seems he's going to be yet another hawk, which I dislike), Biden is the lesser of several evils, and I kinda like Klobuchar's tough gal persona.

The candidates who I strongly oppose are Sanders (who has no business doing this -- he's spent almost his entire life in politics yet his foreign policy knowledge is as weak as Trump's and shouldn't be running as a Democrat at all), Yang (UBI), Harris (so many reasons), Warren (anti-business, plus she's pushing to change capital gains taxes which would fuck over people saving for retirement), and Beto OR (laughable policies plus gun stances). Oh, and John Steyer seems like an idiot.

deoxxys posted...

Liberal media gunna fuck over the election again and get Trump re-elected again because they cant unite.

But they've been bashing Trump so consistently!

WastelandCowboy posted...

Id like Tulsi Gabbard to win, but the way its looking, she might not make it out of the primaries. Especially if the DNC fucks it all up again.

Going to be honest, I'm also starting to lean towards Gabbard after that Syria discussion where she was the only candidate to strongly decry America's never-ending wars (iirc, I think even Bernie said a few words in support of our efforts in Syria which seemed out of character)

DirtBasedSoap posted...

I dont think anyone other than Bernie has the potential to actually beat trump in the election next year so him.

Bernie has no potential for beating Trump. Although he can energize a crowd, he's absurdly fringe and only plays well to younger demographics who are already going to vote Democrat. At least Warren has some broader buy-in.
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miss me with that commie shit
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Not sure how some people still support Tulsi Gabbard given her wonky record
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I'm voting for Reese Witherspoon, because I like her and I want a woman president.

I figure she is more qualified then our current president since she actually played a lawyer in a movie once, and she had some election experience in a movie as well (she was a stalker I think but whatever).

Sadly her name doesn't show up as an option, but I'll just write it in.
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Mead posted...

Not sure how some people still support Tulsi Gabbard given her wonky record

Mostly just Trump supporters who like her at this point. She's running for a job at Fox News.
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Trump
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Mayor Pete is another moderate running on things that America cant do
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Mead posted...

Not sure how some people still support Tulsi Gabbard given her wonky record

What do you mean by "record"? Voting record? It's been pretty good.
I admit I did falter a lot in supporting her after the last debate where she leaned into the "anti-war" position a little too far, to the point of almost parody.
I don't want us getting into new wars, but if just having 50 dudes chill with the Kurds was keeping all hell from breaking loose, then that was a worthwhile use of the troops and her going crazy over it was...off-putting.

streamofthesky posted...

Mead posted...

Not sure how some people still support Tulsi Gabbard given her wonky record

What do you mean by "record"? Voting record? It's been pretty good.
I admit I did falter a lot in supporting her after the last debate where she leaned into the "anti-war" position a little too far, to the point of almost parody.
I don't want us getting into new wars, but if just having 50 dudes chill with the Kurds was keeping all hell from breaking loose, then that was a worthwhile use of the troops and her going crazy over it was...off-putting.

This person on reddit did a pretty good round up

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/dk6tuo/comment/f4bchcv?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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Zeus posted...

Bernie has no potential for beating Trump. Although he can energize a crowd, he's absurdly fringe and only plays well to younger demographics who are already going to vote Democrat. At least Warren has some broader buy-in.

His health issues this year would also play a significant role, because Americans in general have tended to be extremely wary of voting for anyone we think might die in office ever since Wilson or so. There's a very real fear that anyone who goes into office less than healthy will suffer from the high stress levels of the job and either drop dead, stroke out, or just do a piss-poor job.

Entire campaigns have been torpedoed in the past by rumors of heart problems or similar. It's part of why candidates tend to be hesitant to release health records (and why people demand it out of them).

As much as people like to think Bernie COULD win (especially his more rabid supporters), there's more than enough ammunition to use against him in almost any election that would at best discourage a lot of voters from voting at all, or outright encourage them to vote for Trump (even if they're already somewhat biased against Trump and actively looking for a worthwhile alternative).

The Democrats have lost elections in the past by assuming it was a slam-dunk and fielding a candidate voters simply don't want, because they get cocky and feel like there's no way they can lose no matter who they run. If they do that again this time, then we should all start getting used to the idea of Trump's second term now.
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Mead posted...

streamofthesky posted...

Mead posted...

Not sure how some people still support Tulsi Gabbard given her wonky record

What do you mean by "record"? Voting record? It's been pretty good.
I admit I did falter a lot in supporting her after the last debate where she leaned into the "anti-war" position a little too far, to the point of almost parody.
I don't want us getting into new wars, but if just having 50 dudes chill with the Kurds was keeping all hell from breaking loose, then that was a worthwhile use of the troops and her going crazy over it was...off-putting.

This person on reddit did a pretty good round up

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/dk6tuo/comment/f4bchcv?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

- The stuff w/ impeachment and especially her comments defending Assange disturb me as well, I should have mentioned, and yeah I have no defense for that stuff. Like I said, her last debate in particular was unnerving, like she is shifting gears for a Fox News anchor spot or something.
- Her attacking and resigning from DNC was justified and I first grew to like her for that. They were unfairly favoring Hillary and she threw away a fast rise to the top to make a stand.
- Where and when did she "tout" her past support for gay conversion therapy? She was brought up in a very religious and conservative household and initially supported those, but realized they were wrong when she served overseas and saw the true horrors of theocracy and religion guiding politics.
- Her meeting w/ Assad has been explained.... She's strongly anti-interventionalist and willing to talk to our enemies and attempt diplomacy. She goes further than I would, but it's not some nefarious scheme...
- Used what Project Veritas video as proof, when, and proof of what? Granted, anything from PV is lies and slander, but maybe at the time they hadn't been exposed yet? If it was the past several years then yeah, she has some explaining to do...
- I don't give a flying fuck about people throwing around the "Islamophobe" smear at her just b/c she doesn't openly support the same factions most Democrats do, if anything it's a positive for me.
- According to that image, she votes Progressive 90% of the time and 73% on "critical issues" (and that's so vague it doesn't mean much to me on its own), it seems she has an "F" mainly b/c her district is deep blue and she doesn't match it, rather than on the merits of her record alone. She's always been a moderate Democrat, so...duh? Just b/c guys like McCain are fake "mavericks" on the other side doesn't mean Dem moderates have to actually be far-left in disguise.

Just going down most of that list. Seems like some valid points and a whole lot of attempting to smear her and making big reaches.

Theres also the fact that shes endorsed by freaking David Duke

Of all the people running she is the one that he supports
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Mead posted...

Theres also the fact that shes endorsed by freaking David Duke

Of all the people running she is the one that he supports

Does she accept/welcome his support?
Just cause he chooses to endorse her doesn't mean shit on its own. Could be purely strategic ("she's the most conservative Dem, so I'll back her") or even intentionally sabotaging her by putting his name w/ hers.

EDIT: Trump's support by Duke became an outrage not b/c he got said endorsement on its own, it's b/c he waffled back and forth on condemning it while making cute dog whistles to the white supremacists that he was on their side and just declining the support publicly b/c he had to.

I liked Yang until he came out against universal healthcare, the vital thing every other civilized country has. How can you be for UBI but not UH? I guess UBI would mean healthcare coverage by proxy, but still. Also I'm not sure about his foreign policy, which should be "GTFO of the middle east and cut the military budget by 3/4ths"

At this point the guy seems kind of silly. He's not polling high enough to win, seems to just exist to syphon votes from Bernie.

I'm kind of afraid of Biden dropping off as well. I feel like all his voters are going straight to Warren, the next feasible corporate candidate.

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politics are such a waste of time
do something better than your life then worry about that crap
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Yellow posted...

I'm kind of afraid of Biden dropping off as well. I feel like all his voters are going straight to Warren, the next feasible corporate candidate.

lol.... How the fuck is Warren a "corporate" candidate?

streamofthesky posted...

Mead posted...

Theres also the fact that shes endorsed by freaking David Duke

Of all the people running she is the one that he supports

Does she accept/welcome his support?
Just cause he chooses to endorse her doesn't mean shit on its own. Could be purely strategic ("she's the most conservative Dem, so I'll back her") or even intentionally sabotaging her by putting his name w/ hers.

In general, David Duke claims have always been a ridiculous talking point. Not that the Reddit meme likely has any more validity.

streamofthesky posted...

EDIT: Trump's support by Duke became an outrage not b/c he got said endorsement on its own, it's b/c he waffled back and forth on condemning it while making cute dog whistles to the white supremacists that he was on their side and just declining the support publicly b/c he had to.

The manufacturoversy regarding his "waffling" began with the simple fact that, when asked, he had no clue who it was because most people aren't going to either remember or even know that name.

Yellow posted...

I liked Yang until he came out against universal healthcare, the vital thing every other civilized country has. How can you be for UBI but not UH? I guess UBI would mean healthcare coverage by proxy, but still.

That is kinda weird no matter how you look at it.

Yellow posted...

Also I'm not sure about his foreign policy, which should be "GTFO of the middle east and cut the military budget by 3/4ths"

I'm not entirely opposed to that.

RoboXgp89 posted...

politics are such a waste of time
do something better than your life then worry about that crap

If anything, the problem is that people don't pay enough attention to politics.
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RoboXgp89 posted...

politics are such a waste of time
do something better than your life then worry about that crap

You make it sound like it's basketball or football or something. Politics impacts your life.
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McSame_as_Bush posted...

RoboXgp89 posted...

politics are such a waste of time
do something better than your life then worry about that crap

You make it sound like it's basketball or football or something. Politics impacts your life.

It impacts your life less than you think. Regardless of who's president, there's still a status quo that the powers that be want to maintain. No matter who you vote for, impactful ideas will be voted against in congress and in every opposing state.

People thought Trump would collapse the US yet all that's happened is some fluff on top of the standard flow. The surface looks disturbed but the undercurrent is uneffected.
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There looks like there's something seriously wrong with the girl in your OP.
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All of the candidates are awful but I guess Warren

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streamofthesky posted...

lol.... How the fuck is Warren a "corporate" candidate?

Her foreign policy is status quo, wants a watered down public healthcare option (Obamacare), basically has one foot in the establishment door. She takes corporate pact money.

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papercup posted...

Trump cus I want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

I'm confused. When wasn't America great? I can't remember when that happened, America not being great I mean. I could've sworn that it was until Trump got into office.

Yellow posted...

streamofthesky posted...

lol.... How the fuck is Warren a "corporate" candidate?

Her foreign policy is status quo, wants a watered down public healthcare option (Obamacare), basically has one foot in the establishment door. She takes corporate pact money.

That's not accurate, her and Bernie are the 2 that favor a full Medicare for All plan. Maybe you are thinking of Kamala Harris?

For President? It's not so much a matter of who I am voting for, as it is a matter of who I'm not voting for. And I am absolutely not voting for Trump
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Judgmenl posted...

There looks like there's something seriously wrong with the girl in your OP.

Why shes so kawaii!
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Who ever the Democrats nominate, the Republicans have permanently lost my vote because of their disgusting behavior over the last 8 years with Obama.
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Yellow posted...

wants a watered down public healthcare option (Obamacare),

Uh, what? Are you confusing her and Biden?

GastroFan posted...

papercup posted...

Trump cus I want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

I'm confused. When wasn't America great? I can't remember when that happened, America not being great I mean. I could've sworn that it was until Trump got into office.

America hadn't won for years before Trump took office. And now? It's not even playing the game!

Trevor_Belmont posted...

Who ever the Democrats nominate, the Republicans have permanently lost my vote because of their disgusting behavior over the last 8 years with Obama.

lolwut? The treatment of Obama was nothing compared to the treatment of Trump. Elected democrats were calling for Trump's impeachment before he even took office and have cooked up zany allegations on a weekly basis.
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Sanders.
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