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boxington 11/02/19 12:30:08 PM #1:	https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/30/world/asia/pakistan-hiv-aids-children.html Pakistans government suspended a pediatrician accused of reusing syringes and infecting scores of children with H.I.V. after it was discovered that he had been reassigned to a government-run hospital, in a case that raised fury across the country. On Wednesday, the provincial government of Sindh, where the outbreak occurred, said it had suspended Dr. Muzaffar Ghanghro, just days after The New York Times published a story about the pediatrician and his role in an H.I.V. outbreak in which nearly 900 of the more than 1,200 cases so far have been children. Dr. Ghanghro was initially the sole focus of blame in the H.I.V. outbreak, in the small city of Ratodero. But government officials now believe that he is not the only cause there, and that the bad practices he is accused of, including reusing syringes and IV needles, are so widespread across Pakistan that the entire health care system needs better regulation. Dr. Ghanghro, in an interview with the Times last week, denied accusations that he reused syringes and needles. His clinic was shut after news of the outbreak broke in the spring. But he said that he had recently renewed his license and was practicing in a government hospital with a stream of patients waiting to be seen by him, questioning the governments ability to regulate the system. Health workers say the government needs to revamp the national medical syllabus to prioritize infection control, currently a minor part of doctor training. And they say hospitals often scrimp on the sterilization process for tools. The only good thing about the outbreak has been that it laid bare the multiple flaws in the system that the government with support of U.N. agencies needs to address, said Dr. Fatima Mir, a pediatric infectious disease expert working at the Aga Khan University in Karachi. She was one of the first medical workers to help with the outbreak in Ratodero. What the outbreak in Ratodero says about Pakistans health care is that infection control is poor or nonexistent. Pakistans health care system is now trying to integrate infection control as a formal part of the system, Dr. Mir added. She said that Pakistans medical practitioners often lack the logistics and supplies necessary to prevent and contain infections. When she was in Ratodero to help, Dr. Fatima said it was a challenge finding clean water to wash her hands with while seeing patients. more @ link --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:929564447] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/30/world/asia/pakistan-hiv-aids-children.html <quote>Pakistans government suspended a pediatrician accused of reusing syringes and infecting scores of children with H.I.V. after it was discovered that he had been reassigned to a government-run hospital, in a case that raised fury across the country. On Wednesday, the provincial government of Sindh, where the outbreak occurred, said it had suspended Dr. Muzaffar Ghanghro, just days after The New York Times published a story about the pediatrician and his role in an H.I.V. outbreak in which nearly 900 of the more than 1,200 cases so far have been children. Dr. Ghanghro was initially the sole focus of blame in the H.I.V. outbreak, in the small city of Ratodero. But government officials now believe that he is not the only cause there, and that the bad practices he is accused of, including reusing syringes and IV needles, are so widespread across Pakistan that the entire health care system needs better regulation. Dr. Ghanghro, in an interview with the Times last week, denied accusations that he reused syringes and needles. His clinic was shut after news of the outbreak broke in the spring. But he said that he had recently renewed his license and was practicing in a government hospital with a stream of patients waiting to be seen by him, questioning the governments ability to regulate the system. Health workers say the government needs to revamp the national medical syllabus to prioritize infection control, currently a minor part of doctor training. And they say hospitals often scrimp on the sterilization process for tools. The only good thing about the outbreak has been that it laid bare the multiple flaws in the system that the government with support of U.N. agencies needs to address, said Dr. Fatima Mir, a pediatric infectious disease expert working at the Aga Khan University in Karachi. She was one of the first medical workers to help with the outbreak in Ratodero. What the outbreak in Ratodero says about Pakistans health care is that infection control is poor or nonexistent. Pakistans health care system is now trying to integrate infection control as a formal part of the system, Dr. Mir added. She said that Pakistans medical practitioners often lack the logistics and supplies necessary to prevent and contain infections. When she was in Ratodero to help, Dr. Fatima said it was a challenge finding clean water to wash her hands with while seeing patients.</quote> more @ link</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordFarquad1312 11/02/19 12:38:48 PM #2:	I remember a friend told me how the academic comitee decided to expel a student from med school because his viewpoints were considered dangerous. The world needs more of that. --- The force is my ally "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." <cite>LordFarquad1312 posted [p:929564758] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>I remember a friend told me how the academic comitee decided to expel a student from med school because his viewpoints were considered dangerous. The world needs more of that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jblrulez 11/02/19 1:01:29 PM #3:	Thats fucked up. Poor kids ;_; <cite>jblrulez posted [p:929565519] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Thats fucked up. Poor kids ;_;</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
aki_sora 11/02/19 1:15:08 PM #4:	The adult fault because the want cheap doctor --- this is GameFAQs and stating an opinion is a declaration of WAR! <cite>aki_sora posted [p:929566004] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>The adult fault because the want cheap doctor</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 11/02/19 4:15:31 PM #5:	bump --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:929572384] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/03/19 12:05:46 AM #17:	Shablagoo posted... and idk. I wonder if just washing needles vigorously with soap & water would reduce the chances of spreading infections at all. No. No it will not. The best means a "backwater" will have for sanitation is heating the needles until glowing hot. Somewhere around 460C or 860F. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:929591548] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote>and idk. I wonder if just washing needles vigorously with soap & water would reduce the chances of spreading infections at all.</quote> No. No it will not. The best means a "backwater" will have for sanitation is heating the needles until glowing hot. Somewhere around 460C or 860F.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/03/19 12:07:06 AM #18:	Im not saying it will make them sterile; surely a washed needle has to be better than a freshly used, still bloody needle no? --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:929591600] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Im not saying it will make them sterile; surely a washed needle has to be better than a freshly used, still bloody needle no?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/03/19 12:08:40 AM #19:	Shablagoo posted... Im not saying it will make them sterile; surely a washed needle has to be better than a freshly used, still bloody needle no? Bleach is an alternative. Gratuitous oxidation will obliterate anything organic. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:929591638] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote>Im not saying it will make them sterile; surely a washed needle has to be better than a freshly used, still bloody needle no?</quote> Bleach is an alternative. Gratuitous oxidation will obliterate anything organic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 11/03/19 12:09:54 AM #20:	Shablagoo posted... Im not saying it will make them sterile; surely a washed needle has to be better than a freshly used, still bloody needle no? If you don't mind getting like typhoid or something. As ? said, you have to reach high temps to actually sterilize needles. --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:929591680] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Im not saying it will make them sterile; surely a washed needle has to be better than a freshly used, still bloody needle no?</quote>If you don't mind getting like typhoid or something. As ? said, you have to reach high temps to actually sterilize needles. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/03/19 12:11:18 AM #21:	mattnd2007 posted... Shablagoo posted... Im not saying it will make them sterile; surely a washed needle has to be better than a freshly used, still bloody needle no? If you don't mind getting like typhoid or something. As ? said, you have to reach high temps to actually sterilize needles. Shablagoo posted... Im not saying it will make them sterile --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:929591730] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>mattnd2007 posted...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Im not saying it will make them sterile; surely a washed needle has to be better than a freshly used, still bloody needle no?</quote>If you don't mind getting like typhoid or something. As ? said, you have to reach high temps to actually sterilize needles. </quote> <cite>Shablagoo posted...</cite><quote>Im not saying it will make them sterile</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 11/03/19 12:12:24 AM #22:	And the answer is still no --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:929591778] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>And the answer is still no </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/03/19 12:15:59 AM #23:	So if I had to do an emergency blood transfusion using your blood and the only needle I had was a used one, itd make no difference to you if I just stuck you with a bloody needle vs. washing it off with soap & water first? --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:929591887] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>So if I had to do an emergency blood transfusion using your blood and the only needle I had was a used one, itd make no difference to you if I just stuck you with a bloody needle vs. washing it off with soap & water first?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 11/03/19 12:17:09 AM #24:	If it's the only option yes it is better. But just washing the needles isn't good enough. --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:929591925] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>If it's the only option yes it is better. But just washing the needles isn't good enough. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/03/19 12:18:47 AM #25:	Shablagoo posted... So if I had to do an emergency blood transfusion using your blood and the only needle I had was a used one, itd make no difference to you if I just stuck you with a bloody needle vs. washing it off with soap & water first? Soap isn't going to do shit. Run it under a cigarette lighter for about thirty seconds. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:929591964] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote>So if I had to do an emergency blood transfusion using your blood and the only needle I had was a used one, itd make no difference to you if I just stuck you with a bloody needle vs. washing it off with soap & water first?</quote> Soap isn't going to do shit. Run it under a cigarette lighter for about thirty seconds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 11/03/19 12:22:22 AM #6:	one more --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:929590007] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>one more</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/03/19 12:24:11 AM #26:	mattnd2007 posted... If it's the only option yes it is better. But just washing the needles isn't good enough. Ok so literally what I said from the beginning. >_> --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:929592125] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>mattnd2007 posted...</cite> <quote>If it's the only option yes it is better. But just washing the needles isn't good enough. </quote> Ok so literally what I said from the beginning. >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 11/03/19 12:24:58 AM #27:	Yes, but it's still not a viable solution That's the point --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:929592153] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Yes, but it's still not a viable solution That's the point </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DisneyFan462 11/03/19 12:26:15 AM #28:	Read this a few days ago, fucking horrific --- November 12th <cite>DisneyFan462 posted [p:929592192] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Read this a few days ago, fucking horrific</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/03/19 12:26:44 AM #29:	Is this the topic where we make obvious points that dont need to be made? --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:929592211] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Is this the topic where we make obvious points that dont need to be made?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 11/03/19 12:27:08 AM #30:	What if I dunked the needle in e.g. ethanol? --- I use Gameraven and you should too. "I don't f****** care about anyone's penis but mine..." - Machete <cite>teepan95 posted [p:929592221] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>What if I dunked the needle in e.g. ethanol?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 11/03/19 12:27:18 AM #31:	Shablagoo posted... Is this the topic where we make obvious points that dont need to be made? Well what's your point a shitty solution is fine? --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:929592226] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Is this the topic where we make obvious points that dont need to be made?</quote>Well what's your point a shitty solution is fine? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenRoar 11/03/19 12:27:57 AM #7:	Stop self-bumping your topic. If people are interested in the content, they'll comment on it. <cite>HiddenRoar posted [p:929590212] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Stop self-bumping your topic. If people are interested in the content, they'll comment on it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 11/03/19 12:31:15 AM #32:	some parts that stood out, for me, from the NPR transcript: This is the first time we have found a very large cohort of children. Very few of their mothers are infected. Very few have had transfusion. But almost all of them have had multiple injections from local physicians - not just one - for very, very minor childhood illnesses. As a community, rural send and interior send this place where Ratodero and Larkana is - this is a place where your population is from the lower socioeconomic strata of society. They may not necessarily be able to afford a five to seven-day or a seven to 10-day course of oral medication. So what they do, Scott, is they ask for one or two injections because that is the magic bullet to break the fever, to help the symptoms resolve. And this is why people sort of hanker for parenteral injections over oral. infection control has not been given a lot of importance in medical training. We're also finding that just because of lack of resources and poor commitment and poor organization of infection control committees, infection control is a very, very low priority in a place where most emphasis is on provision of medicines and on diagnosis. people are now being ostracized. Their livelihoods are threatened because say if a merchant is known to have an HIV child in the family, people will stop buying from him. --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:929592318] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>some parts that stood out, for me, from the NPR transcript: <quote>This is the first time we have found a very large cohort of children. Very few of their mothers are infected. Very few have had transfusion. But almost all of them have had multiple injections from local physicians - not just one - for very, very minor childhood illnesses. As a community, rural send and interior send this place where Ratodero and Larkana is - this is a place where your population is from the lower socioeconomic strata of society. They may not necessarily be able to afford a five to seven-day or a seven to 10-day course of oral medication. So what they do, Scott, is they ask for one or two injections because that is the magic bullet to break the fever, to help the symptoms resolve. And this is why people sort of hanker for parenteral injections over oral.</quote> <quote>infection control has not been given a lot of importance in medical training. We're also finding that just because of lack of resources and poor commitment and poor organization of infection control committees, infection control is a very, very low priority in a place where most emphasis is on provision of medicines and on diagnosis.</quote> <quote>people are now being ostracized. Their livelihoods are threatened because say if a merchant is known to have an HIV child in the family, people will stop buying from him.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/03/19 12:32:30 AM #8:	Jesus Christ. So at least this sounds like a systemic problem rather than an individual act of malice but still, Jesus. --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:929590355] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Jesus Christ. So at least this sounds like a systemic problem rather than an individual act of malice but still, Jesus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 11/03/19 12:36:34 AM #33:	Like if you don't know what you are talking about shabby why even get involved in the convo? --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:929592447] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Like if you don't know what you are talking about shabby why even get involved in the convo? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/03/19 12:36:46 AM #34:	mattnd2007 posted... Shablagoo posted... Is this the topic where we make obvious points that dont need to be made? Well what's your point a shitty solution is fine? I wonder if just washing needles vigorously with soap & water would reduce the chances of spreading infections at all. Didnt really have a point. I think you may have just misread my post. --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:929592453] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>mattnd2007 posted...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Is this the topic where we make obvious points that dont need to be made?</quote>Well what's your point a shitty solution is fine? </quote> I wonder if just washing needles vigorously with soap & water would reduce the chances of spreading infections at all. Didnt really have a point. I think you may have just misread my post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/03/19 12:37:51 AM #9:	She said that Pakistans medical practitioners often lack the logistics and supplies necessary to prevent and contain infections. But, you caused the infection. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:929590513] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote><quote>She said that Pakistans medical practitioners often lack the logistics and supplies necessary to prevent and contain infections. </quote> But, you caused the infection.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/03/19 12:38:32 AM #35:	Youre the one who got involved in the convo without having a point! YOU quoted me! To make an obvious point that never needed to be made! Projection much? --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:929592501] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Youre the one who got involved in the convo without having a point! YOU quoted me! To make an obvious point that never needed to be made! Projection much?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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boxington 11/03/19 12:41:48 AM #11:	I took a Lyft to work earlier today, and the driver was listening to them talk about it on NPR --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:929590656] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>I took a Lyft to work earlier today, and the driver was listening to them talk about it on NPR</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/03/19 12:43:53 AM #12:	boxington posted... I took a Lyft to work earlier today, and the driver was listening to them talk about it on NPR Any interesting tidbits? Im trying to figure out if this doctor is just a straight up negligent asshole or if the system was making it hard for him to keep up (like not providing him with clean supplies) and he just panicked and acted out of desperation. --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:929590730] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>boxington posted...</cite> <quote>I took a Lyft to work earlier today, and the driver was listening to them talk about it on NPR</quote> Any interesting tidbits? Im trying to figure out if this doctor is just a straight up negligent asshole or if the system was making it hard for him to keep up (like not providing him with clean supplies) and he just panicked and acted out of desperation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 11/03/19 12:45:07 AM #13:	here's a link (three minute listen) https://www.npr.org/2019/11/02/775664365/an-hiv-crisis-among-pakistans-children --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:929590785] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>here's a link (three minute listen) https://www.npr.org/2019/11/02/775664365/an-hiv-crisis-among-pakistans-children</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/03/19 12:46:33 AM #14:	Shablagoo posted... (like not providing him with clean supplies) Is there even any way to sanitize needles that doesn't involve asstons of bleach or gamma radiation? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:929590836] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote> (like not providing him with clean supplies)</quote> Is there even any way to sanitize needles that doesn't involve asstons of bleach or gamma radiation?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 11/03/19 12:49:01 AM #36:	Lol okay And a quick Google could have told you that was a very stupid question. Ignorance isn't a valid excuse on the internet, you have access to mankind's total knowledge --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:929592782] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Lol okay And a quick Google could have told you that was a very stupid question. Ignorance isn't a valid excuse on the internet, you have access to mankind's total knowledge </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/03/19 12:59:17 AM #37:	Not being able to comprehend my question and then trying to make me look stupid once you were called out for it, great look. --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:929593065] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Not being able to comprehend my question and then trying to make me look stupid once you were called out for it, great look.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/03/19 12:59:56 AM #15:	Questionmarktarius posted... Shablagoo posted... (like not providing him with clean supplies) Is there even any way to sanitize needles that doesn't involve asstons of bleach or gamma radiation? clean supplies not cleaning supplies lol >.> and idk. I wonder if just washing needles vigorously with soap & water would reduce the chances of spreading infections at all. --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:929591335] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote> (like not providing him with clean supplies)</quote> Is there even any way to sanitize needles that doesn't involve asstons of bleach or gamma radiation?</quote> clean supplies not cleaning supplies lol >.> and idk. I wonder if just washing needles vigorously with soap & water would reduce the chances of spreading infections at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 11/03/19 1:00:21 AM #38:	Uh huh Bye shabby --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:929593088] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Uh huh Bye shabby </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/03/19 1:01:11 AM #39:	Bye melty matty --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:929593111] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Bye melty matty</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 11/03/19 1:01:18 AM #16:	Holy fuck that's horrible --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:929591372] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Holy fuck that's horrible </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 11/03/19 1:01:34 AM #40:	Lol how original --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:929593125] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Lol how original </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 11/03/19 1:02:54 AM #41:	And I did understand your question. It was just a stupid one --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:929593159] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>And I did understand your question. It was just a stupid one </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/03/19 1:03:25 AM #42:	Im competing with shabby, dont need to put in much effort to beat that lmbo --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:929593175] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Im competing with shabby, dont need to put in much effort to beat that lmbo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 11/03/19 1:03:59 AM #43:	Shablagoo posted... Im competing with shabby, dont need to put in much effort to beat that lmbo Lol I'll give you that one --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:929593201] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Im competing with shabby, dont need to put in much effort to beat that lmbo</quote>Lol I'll give you that one </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/03/19 1:04:08 AM #44:	mattnd2007 posted... And I did understand your question. It was just a stupid one Clearly not because you later agreed my assumption was correct after arguing against your strawman. --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:929593207] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>mattnd2007 posted...</cite> <quote>And I did understand your question. It was just a stupid one </quote> Clearly not because you later agreed my assumption was correct after arguing against your strawman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 11/03/19 1:05:10 AM #45:	Shablagoo posted... Clearly not because you later agreed my assumption was correct after arguing against your strawman. That was extremely situational. It wouldn't work as a solution to Pakistan's problem. At all. A half ass fix isn't acceptable when kids are getting fucking HIV --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:929593228] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Clearly not because you later agreed my assumption was correct after arguing against your strawman.</quote>That was extremely situational. It wouldn't work as a solution to Pakistan's problem. At all. A half ass fix isn't acceptable when kids are getting fucking HIV </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 11/03/19 1:07:52 AM #46:	Due to medical incompetence. If my hypothetical child had HIV because of an incompetent doctor I'd be suing the shit out of him. --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:929593310] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Due to medical incompetence. If my hypothetical child had HIV because of an incompetent doctor I'd be suing the shit out of him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/03/19 1:08:20 AM #47:	mattnd2007 posted... Shablagoo posted... Clearly not because you later agreed my assumption was correct after arguing against your strawman. That was extremely situational. It wouldn't work as a solution to Pakistan's problem. At all. A half ass fix isn't acceptable when kids are getting fucking HIV No hell yeah, I agree with you. The only reason I asked it was because Qmarktarius thought I meant clean supplies as in supplies to clean the needles when I really meant clean supplies as in clean needles. Just a random thought that popped into my head from that. --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:929593331] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>mattnd2007 posted...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Clearly not because you later agreed my assumption was correct after arguing against your strawman.</quote>That was extremely situational. It wouldn't work as a solution to Pakistan's problem. At all. A half ass fix isn't acceptable when kids are getting fucking HIV </quote> No hell yeah, I agree with you. The only reason I asked it was because Qmarktarius thought I meant clean supplies as in supplies to clean the needles when I really meant clean supplies as in clean needles. Just a random thought that popped into my head from that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mattnd2007 11/03/19 1:09:33 AM #49:	Well ok then. I dunno I'm just in a grouchy argumentative mood tonight for some reason. Woke up for nightshift feeling this way. Sorry lol. My bad. --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:929593361] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>Well ok then. I dunno I'm just in a grouchy argumentative mood tonight for some reason. Woke up for nightshift feeling this way. Sorry lol. My bad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/03/19 1:10:39 AM #50:	mattnd2007 posted... Well ok then. I dunno I'm just in a grouchy argumentative mood tonight for some reason. Woke up for nightshift feeling this way. Sorry lol. My bad. Its all good lol I was clearly ready to argue as well >.> Im sorry too. --- "Bond, you can't just blame everything bad in the world on the government" -wiiking96 "why cant I?" -Bond_543 <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:929593393] in HIV crisis... [t:78129134]...</cite> <quote>mattnd2007 posted...</cite> <quote>Well ok then. I dunno I'm just in a grouchy argumentative mood tonight for some reason. Woke up for nightshift feeling this way. Sorry lol. My bad. </quote> Its all good lol I was clearly ready to argue as well >.> Im sorry too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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