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Garioshi
11/03/19 11:44:33 AM
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Its combat is so barebones that it's straight-up unenjoyable. Xillia 2 has the golden standard for Tales combat imo.
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BignutzisBack
11/03/19 11:45:22 AM
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Cringiest game ever made, Colette made me embarrassed to play that game in front of people and that has never happened before with any game or since.
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PowerOats
11/03/19 11:46:59 AM
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That's why I tell people to start with Symphonia, cuz once you play a game with free run and eventually free chaining, you won't want to come back to older games
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MrMallard
11/03/19 11:49:13 AM
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I just don't like the Tales combat system at all - turn-based or bust, baby. I don't mind being a basic bitch, bc I know what I like.

I finished the Symphonia games earlier this year, though. I really liked the story of the first one, and I'm glad I experienced it. Thank God for auto-battle.
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Garioshi
11/03/19 11:52:50 AM
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MrMallard posted...
I just don't like the Tales combat system at all - turn-based or bust, baby.

What the fuck
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Garioshi
11/03/19 2:27:16 PM
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bump
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bobbaaay
11/03/19 2:44:19 PM
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Garioshi posted...
MrMallard posted...
I just don't like the Tales combat system at all - turn-based or bust, baby.

What the fuck


He's right
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Garioshi
11/03/19 4:56:06 PM
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bobbaaay posted...
Garioshi posted...
MrMallard posted...
I just don't like the Tales combat system at all - turn-based or bust, baby.

What the fuck


He's right

There are maybe 10 truly turn-based games I actually enjoy playing, and 9 of them are Pokemon.
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I is smart
11/03/19 5:09:09 PM
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Garioshi posted...
bobbaaay posted...
Garioshi posted...
MrMallard posted...
I just don't like the Tales combat system at all - turn-based or bust, baby.

What the fuck


He's right

There are maybe 10 truly turn-based games I actually enjoy playing, and 9 of them are Pokemon.


Earthbound better be one of them.
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luigi13579
11/03/19 5:24:24 PM
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I still enjoy it tbqh. The combat is basic (but serviceable), but I like the puzzles (which many of the modern games have scaled back), world (particularly the many towns/cities), sidequests, music, etc. And yes, there's a bit of nostalgia.

To make the combat a little more interesting, I like to use some of the other characters occasionally (mostly Regal, Kratos/Zelos or Presea, in that order).
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bobbaaay
11/03/19 5:48:41 PM
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Garioshi posted...
bobbaaay posted...
Garioshi posted...
MrMallard posted...
I just don't like the Tales combat system at all - turn-based or bust, baby.

What the fuck


He's right

There are maybe 10 truly turn-based games I actually enjoy playing, and 9 of them are Pokemon.


Bad taste isn't an excuse. All dragon quest games are turn based. All srpgs are turn based. All early final fantasies are pseudo turn based. All might and magic games are turn based. If you're talking about strategy and not rpgs - master of magic, all heroes of might and magic, all civ games, all early age of empires games.
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Illuminoius
11/03/19 5:51:59 PM
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the early 3d tales games had some amazingly stupid cutscenes, though
the combat may not be nearly as fluid and varied as in later games, but there's just a special magic to the crappy voice acting, bad scripting, and pathetic action sequences
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Garioshi
11/03/19 6:22:41 PM
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I is smart posted...
Garioshi posted...
bobbaaay posted...
Garioshi posted...
MrMallard posted...
I just don't like the Tales combat system at all - turn-based or bust, baby.

What the fuck


He's right

There are maybe 10 truly turn-based games I actually enjoy playing, and 9 of them are Pokemon.


Earthbound better be one of them.

It's Chrono Cross
bobbaaay posted...
All early final fantasies are pseudo turn based.

They're as turn-based as Tales games, Tales games just replace the ATB bar with endlag.
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PowerOats
11/03/19 7:31:52 PM
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Yeah. Thats kinda why I don't understand people complaining about FF7R Classic mode
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Garioshi
11/03/19 8:20:34 PM
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PowerOats posted...
Yeah. Thats kinda why I don't understand people complaining about FF7R Classic mode

Because it's not the same. That's about it.
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Solar_Crimson
11/03/19 8:25:50 PM
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I've played other Tales games since (Abyss, ToS2, Graces, Vesperia), but none of them have resonated with me as well as Symphonia did. Then again, it was my first and I played through it like seven times. Other Tales games, I seem to only go through once, probably because I have far more games now than I did back then.

...But I've also had both Xillia games on my shelf for years now, and I still haven't gotten around to playing them...
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Delirious_Beard
11/03/19 8:29:12 PM
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i miss the puzzles

i'm so sick of every dungeon in every JRPG these days being a generic maze
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DevsBro
11/03/19 8:31:16 PM
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Symphonia was frankly a bad game.

The pacing was unbearable, it had trillions of those stupid Sorcerer's Ring puzzles, and trillions of those stupid block puzzles, and that totem pole puzzle I ended up having to just brute force because I couldn't (and didn't want to) figure the stupid thing out, and after suffering through it all for the sake of a world and story that were actually rather intriguing, what is my reward? Hurr durr I is evill bekuz I hayt racism like they suddenly handed the script to a dadgum teenage fanfic writer.
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p-m
11/03/19 8:32:11 PM
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@bobbaaay posted...
all early age of empires games


age of empires has never been turn based
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LordMarshal
11/03/19 8:44:07 PM
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Turn based makes every battle take forever.....
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Garioshi
11/03/19 8:56:55 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
i miss the puzzles

i'm so sick of every dungeon in every JRPG these days being a generic maze

This goes especially for Tales, where every single area including dungeons is either a wide open plane or a set of hallways with only 90 turns.
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Veggeta X
11/03/19 9:03:55 PM
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Funny how so many have turned on this game. Back during its prime, people hailed this as the best Tales game of all time and also a contender for GOAT as well.
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Illuminoius
11/03/19 9:05:02 PM
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puzzles in the older tales games were never good
people really overstate how much "better" the older dungeons actually were
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Garioshi
11/03/19 9:11:48 PM
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Illuminoius posted...
puzzles in the older tales games were never good
people really overstate how much "better" the older dungeons actually were

I don't think they were particularly good by any means, but they were at least more engaging than "run at full speed to the end while avoiding enemy encounters if you can".
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I is smart
11/04/19 12:52:18 AM
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Illuminoius posted...
puzzles in the older tales games were never good
people really overstate how much "better" the older dungeons actually were


No, they really don't. Modern Tales dungeons are hallways with occasional dead ends that you might find a chest at the end of. Give me a reason to have to rub more than two brain cells together for fuck's sake.
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Calwings
11/04/19 1:03:05 AM
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Symphonia's gameplay didn't age well, but I still love its story and characters. If I ever started getting the itch to re-play the game, I'd just go watch its anime adaptation instead... which is pretty fucking good, by the way.
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Ving_Rhames
11/04/19 1:05:20 AM
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Vesperia best dungeons
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Garioshi
11/04/19 2:53:38 AM
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Ving_Rhames posted...
Vesperia best dungeons

Endless enemy spam is only a couple notches above hallways.
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SailorGoon
11/04/19 3:08:14 AM
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Garioshi posted...
bobbaaay posted...
Garioshi posted...
MrMallard posted...
I just don't like the Tales combat system at all - turn-based or bust, baby.

What the fuck


He's right

There are maybe 10 truly turn-based games I actually enjoy playing, and 9 of them are Pokemon.

Bruh
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Garioshi
11/04/19 3:32:45 AM
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SailorGoon posted...
Garioshi posted...
bobbaaay posted...
Garioshi posted...
MrMallard posted...
I just don't like the Tales combat system at all - turn-based or bust, baby.

What the fuck


He's right

There are maybe 10 truly turn-based games I actually enjoy playing, and 9 of them are Pokemon.

Bruh

I emphasise "truly". ATB doesn't count.
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SailorGoon
11/04/19 3:41:13 AM
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Garioshi posted...
SailorGoon posted...
Garioshi posted...
bobbaaay posted...
Garioshi posted...
MrMallard posted...
I just don't like the Tales combat system at all - turn-based or bust, baby.

What the fuck


He's right

There are maybe 10 truly turn-based games I actually enjoy playing, and 9 of them are Pokemon.

Bruh

I emphasise "truly". ATB doesn't count.

My bruh still stands
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Garioshi
11/04/19 3:56:36 AM
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SailorGoon posted...
Garioshi posted...
SailorGoon posted...
Garioshi posted...
bobbaaay posted...
Garioshi posted...
MrMallard posted...
I just don't like the Tales combat system at all - turn-based or bust, baby.

What the fuck


He's right

There are maybe 10 truly turn-based games I actually enjoy playing, and 9 of them are Pokemon.

Bruh

I emphasise "truly". ATB doesn't count.

My bruh still stands

What truly turn-based games besides Chrono Cross and some Pokemon games should I enjoy?
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SailorGoon
11/04/19 4:20:28 AM
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Anything from Atlus, Bravely Default, Super Mario RPG, and FFX to name a few
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Garioshi
11/04/19 4:21:22 AM
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SailorGoon posted...
Anything from Atlus, Bravely Default, Super Mario RPG, and FFX to name a few

Shit, forgot about FFX.
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Solar_Crimson
11/04/19 1:04:22 PM
#37:


Conflict posted...
MrMallard posted...
I just don't like the Tales combat system at all - turn-based or bust, baby. I don't mind being a basic bitch, bc I know what I like.

I finished the Symphonia games earlier this year, though. I really liked the story of the first one, and I'm glad I experienced it. Thank God for auto-battle.


Abyss's combat system is a mess and Vesperia's isn't that much better, so that's not a weird opinion

Yeah, I hated Abyss' Field-of-Fonon mechanic.
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luigi13579
11/04/19 1:29:57 PM
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Garioshi posted...
What truly turn-based games besides Chrono Cross and some Pokemon games should I enjoy?

To add to what's been mentioned: Suikoden series, Grandia series.

For SRPGs, I enjoy the Super Robot Wars and Shining Force series.

I hesitantly recommend Skies of Arcadia Legends (as much as I love the game). The battle system is different enough to be interesting, but the battles are quite slow and the encounter rate high (albeit reduced in Legends).

To other JRPG fans: I beat Shadow Hearts just there and wasn't that impressed. Is the second game better and if so, how much?
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Veggeta X
11/04/19 1:30:42 PM
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I remember fan ToS fanboys tried to say free run ruined the game LMAO.
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DevsBro
11/04/19 2:23:48 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Conflict posted...
MrMallard posted...
I just don't like the Tales combat system at all - turn-based or bust, baby. I don't mind being a basic bitch, bc I know what I like.

I finished the Symphonia games earlier this year, though. I really liked the story of the first one, and I'm glad I experienced it. Thank God for auto-battle.


Abyss's combat system is a mess and Vesperia's isn't that much better, so that's not a weird opinion

Yeah, I hated Abyss' Field-of-Fonon mechanic.

I just ignored it.
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Kaliesto
11/04/19 2:25:37 PM
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I just recently re-finished Tales of Symphonia on PS3, and it's sequel.

I found the sequel a bit worse with it's protagonist that wouldn't stop saying "sorry" until like the very end.

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Kaliesto
11/04/19 2:26:47 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
i miss the puzzles

i'm so sick of every dungeon in every JRPG these days being a generic maze


We must appeal to the wider dum dums.

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gunplagirl
11/04/19 2:36:45 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Conflict posted...
MrMallard posted...
I just don't like the Tales combat system at all - turn-based or bust, baby. I don't mind being a basic bitch, bc I know what I like.

I finished the Symphonia games earlier this year, though. I really liked the story of the first one, and I'm glad I experienced it. Thank God for auto-battle.


Abyss's combat system is a mess and Vesperia's isn't that much better, so that's not a weird opinion

Yeah, I hated Abyss' Field-of-Fonon mechanic.


Tales of the Abyss spoilers/ combo vid

https://youtu.be/W0yOScYylXI

You just weren't doing it right if you thought it was messy
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Veggeta X
11/04/19 2:41:05 PM
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Abyss is great
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Kaliesto
11/04/19 2:41:43 PM
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Abyss has potential for a sequel considering what happens with the Protagonist.

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Garioshi
11/04/19 6:57:21 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Conflict posted...
MrMallard posted...
I just don't like the Tales combat system at all - turn-based or bust, baby. I don't mind being a basic bitch, bc I know what I like.

I finished the Symphonia games earlier this year, though. I really liked the story of the first one, and I'm glad I experienced it. Thank God for auto-battle.


Abyss's combat system is a mess and Vesperia's isn't that much better, so that's not a weird opinion

Yeah, I hated Abyss' Field-of-Fonon mechanic.

It's literally completely supplementary to the game, you never have to use an FoF change ever
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andel
11/04/19 6:58:57 PM
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symphonia still holds up. it has the best story and characters of and of the series imo
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Ving_Rhames
11/04/19 8:46:35 PM
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Conflict posted...
It's not even an uncommon opinion that Abyss's combat system was convoluted and annoying. Neat characters (outside of Anise), not-so-neat gameplay.


Convoluted how
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NeuralLaxative
11/04/19 9:04:47 PM
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Vesperia or bust baby

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Medzzz
11/04/19 9:05:15 PM
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Second greatest game ever made
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