Current Events > Holy shit I actually agree with fat Newt Gingrich.

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The kidnapping and killing of U.S. citizens in Mexico should be a wake-up call to the United States government, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich said Tuesday.

At least six children and three women living in a Mormon community of U.S. citizens in Mexico were shot to death Monday and several others were reportedly kidnapped after their convoy came under fire during a brazen daylight ambush believed to have been carried out by gunmen affiliated with organized crime in the country.

Those attacked were members of the LeBaron family, a well known American clan who have lived in the fundamentalist community in the northern part of the country for decades, according to the New York Times. Kenny LeBaron, a cousin to several of the victims, told the Times he feared the death toll could increase.

When you know there are babies tied in a car seat that are burning because of some twisted evil thats in this world, LeBaron said, its just hard to cope with that.

Appearing on "Fox & Friends" with hosts Steve Doocy, Ainsley Earhardt, and Brian Kilmeade, Gingrich said that he thinks the U.S. has been "hiding from reality" when it comes to the power of Mexican drug cartels and their chokehold on the Mexican government.

"The cartels have grown richer, stronger, bigger. They are a direct threat to the Mexican government. Much more than the attention we've paid to Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan," he said.

More than a dozen other members of La Mora a decades-old settlement in Sonora state founded as part of an offshoot of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were missing after the attack on the convoy of three SUVs

Early reports indicated the tragedy could have been a case of mistaken identity. But recent history also raises the possibility the LeBaron family was the intended target: only a decade ago two members of the family opposed to local drug trafficking groups were kidnapped and murdered, according to the Times.

"Mexico is a vital American interest. And, our desire to make sure the Mexican government defeats the cartels, should be enormous," Gingrich told the hosts

"And," he said, "I hope this will be a wake-up call -- that we had better find a way to have a partnership with the Mexican government and help them with whatever intelligence training equipment they need to decisively defeat the cartels who are now, frankly, a state within a state."

The U.S. Ambassador to Mexico, Christopher Landrau, tweeted in Spanish that he was following the incident closely and that "the security of our co-nationals is our great priority."

Gingrich said he believes that the Mexican government 'like Lebanon' is unable to control its own territory and because it's our "next-door neighbor" we have a "huge interest."

"And, much bigger than we do in Syria or a lot of the places we pay attention to. Mexico's a much more important part of our future than those countries are," he explained.

Full Article: https://www.foxnews.com/media/newt-gingrich-mexican-drug-cartel-shootout-wake-up-call-mormon-family-homicide-abduction
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Well this is a genuinely new expeience but he is 100% right.

The state of Mexican is awful and HUGELY relevant to US interests and secretly. Much more so than the Middle East. Especially with the casual murdering of US citizens.

Mexico releasing high ranking cartel members because the cartel massacre people until they do is awful, giving in to terrorism and showcases how weak the Mexican government is.

The Cartel is evil and should be opposed by any sane civilized person Earth including the Chinese.

Legalizing drugs and working/training with the Mexican government/intelligence is absolutely an intelligent move.

I feel weird guys...
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Legalizing drugs and working/training with the Mexican government/intelligence is absolutely an intelligent move.

Legalizing how...?
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Solid Sonic posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Legalizing drugs and working/training with the Mexican government/intelligence is absolutely an intelligent move.

Legalizing how...?

Same way Pepsi is legal.

It's not the Government's job to control what you put inside your own body. Making drugs illegal just empowers the Mexican cartel and criminal enterprise.
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Some drugs make people violent and erratic, though. Making it more readily accessible will just increase incidents of that nature, no?

Plus legalizing drugs won't necessarily end the ancillary crime associated with drug abuse (such as stealing your mother's TV to pawn for drug money).
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Solid Sonic posted...

ome drugs make people violent and erratic, though. Making it more readily accessible will just increase incidents of that nature, no?

Yeah such as Pepsi, beer, coffee, energy drinks.

So let's ban everything except Water.

The role of government should be to protect society from the people who are violent and erratic.

Not to stop the public from having body autonomy. "Well this might make you violent" isn't good enough.

You arrest someone for killing their wife, you don't arrest them because they watched Red Heat and statistics say people who watch Red Heat go on to be violent

Why don't you roll over so the government can stomp on the other side of your face?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Yeah such as Pepsi, beer, coffee, energy drinks.

What the fuck kind of argument is that? None of those things inspire violent behavior towards others. At most you'll give yourself a heart attack by pumping too much Monster into your system.
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Solid Sonic posted...

What the fuck kind of argument is that? None of those things inspire violent behavior towards others.

Yes they do.

WTF are you on about?

Caffine is linked to violence and personality disorders. Drunk driving and drunken fights and violent alcoholics are a problem so vast and commonplace that I flat out to refuse to even entertain the absurd notion that you are not aware of it.

Hell one of the largest pro-pot arguments has always been how much less hamful it is than caffine and alcohol.

At this point you're giving me two choices, to believe you are a liar or to believe you are sheltered or stupid.

Out of respect to you I am choosing liar. But either way I legitimately don't know how to continue this conversation.
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I did overlook the beer you threw in there. Alcohol reduces inhibitions so if you're normally sitting on a lot of angry thoughts or aggressive behaviors you don't act on when you're sober, those can bubble to the surface when you're drunk and you could become violent in those situations.

But, seriously, "I was hopped up on too much coffee" will never ever make sense as a reason for taking a swing on someone. You might get more jumpy and feel the need to move around more if you have a lot of caffeine in your system but there's no way it'll inspire you to randomly assault someone else like a hit of crack could cause.
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Solid Sonic posted...

But, seriously, "I was hopped up on too much coffee" will never ever make sense as a reason for taking a swing on someone.

Well you're wrong.

Doubly wrong if you think "I was hopped up too much on pot" does make sense.

Caffine has been linked to violence, anxiety, mood swings, depression.

You've heard of roid rage right? From people who take steroids? That's a commonly accepted thing?

Well the research has found that the behavioral effects of steroids are miminal compared to the effects of people who drink too much caffine.

You're also dodging the point. By going "Well I choose to reject reality because I don't like it, so the government doesn't have to ban beer or caffine but it should still ban everything else to protect us" you're still arguing that the government's role in a free country is to stop citizens from having body autonomy.

I can't agree with that and all that does is empower ruthless criminals and ruthless governments. You have ownership over your own body, not China, not the Cartel and Not the White House
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So Columbian coffee is just as deadly as Columbian cocaine?

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Misread as LeBron

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EnterTheTekken posted...

So Columbian coffee is just as deadly as Columbian cocaine?

Strawman
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Sounds like this could be the Narcos season 5 plot.
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Blame the American people. Whenever some junkie buys their products they empower the cartels.

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Solid Sonic posted...

Some drugs make people violent and erratic, though. Making it more readily accessible will just increase incidents of that nature, no?

Plus legalizing drugs won't necessarily end the ancillary crime associated with drug abuse (such as stealing your mother's TV to pawn for drug money).

Making it legal is not making it more readily accessible
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

Solid Sonic posted...

Some drugs make people violent and erratic, though. Making it more readily accessible will just increase incidents of that nature, no?

Plus legalizing drugs won't necessarily end the ancillary crime associated with drug abuse (such as stealing your mother's TV to pawn for drug money).

Making it legal is not making it more readily accessible

Explain. At least to me that means "you can sell hard narcotics without repercussion".

Are you saying legalize possession and nothing else?
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Solid Sonic posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Solid Sonic posted...

Some drugs make people violent and erratic, though. Making it more readily accessible will just increase incidents of that nature, no?

Plus legalizing drugs won't necessarily end the ancillary crime associated with drug abuse (such as stealing your mother's TV to pawn for drug money).

Making it legal is not making it more readily accessible

Explain. At least to me that means "you can sell hard narcotics without repercussion".

Are you saying legalize possession and nothing else?

Before anyone takes the time to answer your question can you answer one for me

Have you ever heard about the US prohibition of alcohol and Al Capone?
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