Current Events > Kamala Harris says we need 10 hour school days!

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Wow, that is a horrible idea! Have fun with homework after 10 hours of school!!!!

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/sen-kamala-harris-introduces-new-bill-to-make-school-days-longer

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She just lost all credibility.
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YES PLEASE

have the school buses out and about before and after my daily commute, not during.
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Bad take, imo
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Is this like that thing where people do 10 hour shifts over 4 days instead of 8 hour shifts over 5 days?
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She doesn't remember being in school.
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That's legitimately one of the worst ideas I've ever heard of in regards to school time. Schools, especially high schools, need to start later in the day than they already do, and they shouldn't last as long into the evening as they do. It is insane that we expect kids to sit in class for that long every day. As sentimental as I am about the long summer vacations I enjoyed as a kid, that's where they should add instructional time.

No thank you.

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_Rinku_ posted...

That's legitimately one of the worst ideas I've ever heard of in regards to school time. Schools, especially high schools, need to start later in the day than they already do, and they shouldn't last as long into the evening as they do. It is insane that we expect kids to sit in class for that long every day. As sentimental as I am about the long summer vacations I enjoyed as a kid, that's where they should add instructional time.

Play is one of the most important ways for kids to develop. No thank you to this as well.

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I was really liking her for a while, but she faded and this is an absolute deal breaker. I could be all "fuck you I got mine" and not care what kids today have to deal with but that's... No, I don't see that as useful.
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Cant even be bothered to list the reasons thats idiotic.

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You know that problem we have where kids have to wake up early to go to school and arent getting enough sleep so their performance isnt as good as it can be?

Lets make it worse by extending the school hours.
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my high school day was a 545 wake up to catch at 640 bus to get to a 700 homeroom. last class ended at 320, to get off the bus at 430, to have several hours of homework to get to bed between 9 and 11. That's not at all right, or healthy, and people want to add more? Are you fucking kidding me?
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So the link is saying that she wants to make the school week be 5 days a week, 8 am to 6 pm. The main reason is that it lines up better with parents work schedule.

Nope, hate it. I like going to school later, but staying until 6 pm? 5 days a week? No. That means basically no after school activities and no sports in the fall/winter because it'll be dark when you get out.

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Most students have checked out mentally before school even starts. Having them remain longer is gonna make the final new hours all the more tormenting for everyone.
So the bill is supposed to improve the parent's schedules at the expense of the children and teachers who are directly gonna be affected by it.

Its a crappy idea, speaking as a non-American but a teacher. Here in Japan, most kids do club after and their schedule usually lets out by 6 but at least its something they enjoy and doesn't burden every child and teacher

She might want to first tackle the issues of keeping students interested in attending public schooling in the first place.

10 hour school days are not going to help underprivileged youth so turned off from sitting in a classroom and emotionally beaten down that the rare occasions they do show up it's more for what's free in the cafeteria than the lessons taught...
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I always love how arguments in favor of more school always leads to "but the Japanese go to school year round!" at some point. Failing to take into account that the Japanese also habe the highest teenage suicide rate in the world. Hmmm...
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au_gold posted...

She just lost all credibility.

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I was thinking people were overreacting, but it seems like this is exactly what she's saying, which is insane.

This idea is so bad Im assuming itll effectively end her campaign.
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so many of these candidates suck and love to continue to find ways to be worse

Biden is the best at it, but Kamala is pretty good at it

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not a fan of her but it's a good proposal
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bevan306 posted...

not a fan of her but it's a good proposal

Imma say it once and never again...:

ok boomer

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how dare you
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Gamerguymass posted...

I always love how arguments in favor of more school always leads to "but the Japanese go to school year round!" at some point. Failing to take into account that the Japanese also habe the highest teenage suicide rate in the world. Hmmm...

If this is based on my comments, I made no favor supporting how Japanese schools = better. I merely displayed how they use their time after school that involves them coming back later but not needing more study time.

Furthermore, suicide causes are generally from bullying or home problems that no one catches on to until its too late. Surely not much of a different reasoning to American teens. No teenager decides to die because "we go to school year round".

I hate this because it would normalize the idea of 10 hour shifts for adults, which I hate tremendously.

Kaiiwa posted...

Gamerguymass posted...

I always love how arguments in favor of more school always leads to "but the Japanese go to school year round!" at some point. Failing to take into account that the Japanese also habe the highest teenage suicide rate in the world. Hmmm...

If this is based on my comments, I made no favor supporting how Japanese schools = better. I merely displayed how they use their time after school that involves them coming back later but not needing more study time.

Furthermore, suicide causes are generally from bullying or home problems that no one catches on to until its too late. Surely not much of a different reasoning to American teens. No teenager decides to die because "we go to school year round".

Actually yeah, some do.

Look up "tiger parents".
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Harris is full of terrible ideas

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Those two hours wouldn't do shit, I'd say it even harms unless like 30 mins-1 hour of that extra two hours is break time interspersed throughout the day.

If anything, I'd vouch for longer school year, no kid needs such a long ass summer break where they aren't studying and forgetting crap (though actually no so much since you know, they're kids and their memory is fucking insane at the age).
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Unless it REALLY changed since I last went, school always struck me as lasting much longer than it needed to. Never mind that most kids spend half the time they already have to be there, mostly on autopilot.
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From the article this is about elementary school....

7 hours of mind-dulling state indoctrination is not enough. it must be 10 hours then.

ffs kamala, just go away already

Also TC if the school day was long I would imagine that would be removing homeworkfrom these elementary school kids

Make these kids work 4 tens
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Blah blah Europe
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Also TC if the school day was long I would imagine that would be removing homeworkfrom these elementary school kids

thank you for giving us your imaginations instead of, you know, admitting kamala is batshit

Also from the PDF seems this is all elementary school stuff...where parents need to pay daycare to watch their children...so this bill is really for working class families Seems yall didnt even read it

Loud_Pipes posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Also TC if the school day was long I would imagine that would be removing homeworkfrom these elementary school kids

thank you for giving us your imaginations instead of, you know, admitting kamala is batshit

Thanks for not reading it, basically in plain speak she is funding babysitting for elementary school kids after school. Not sure I feel a national way is the way to do it, but the discussion is worth having on how to get kids on tract in the beginning

High School is way too long as it is. They should shorten it.

Smart. She knows parents vote and kids cant.
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Milkman5 posted...

High School is way too long as it is. They should shorten it.

Its not about high school. And no high school is not too long for most school districts.

Less holidays and shorter days is a good idea. Getting up at 8am for a class at 9am as a kid is the worst shit and doesn't help anyone
It's even worse in uni when you have to get up at 5am for a 6am class

The holidays dont really need to be so long either
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Also from the PDF seems this is all elementary school stuff...where parents need to pay daycare to watch their children...so this bill is really for working class families Seems yall didnt even read it

how about we build a society where we work less for the same pay

instead of, you know, fucking up other systems even more to further entrench backwards conditions like working so many hours in a year

americans are extremely overworked despite being extremely productive. time to change that to benefit us as workers, instead of pretending to care about working families by encouraging policies that entrench rather than relieve shitty conditions.

kamala's bill for example mentions how little vacation and sick time the average american gets, and the response to that is to better align schools with that. which is insane. the right solution is more vacation and sick time across the board.

it's funding for afterschool care for some schools in poor areas. You guys need to read past a headline
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More vacation and sick time doesnt magically make you available from 3pm every workday to get your elementary school kid who shouldnt be left alone. Lol thats a weird roundabout away to attack her. Am I really the first in the topic to notice it was about elementary school...

Medussa posted...

my high school day was a 545 wake up to catch at 640 bus to get to a 700 homeroom. last class ended at 320, to get off the bus at 430, to have several hours of homework to get to bed between 9 and 11. That's not at all right, or healthy, and people want to add more? Are you fucking kidding me?

Similar story man, I woke up at 5am to have time to catch a bus at 6:15, only getting to school at 7:30 and class starting at 7:40. Similar bus ride time home. It's a big reason I applied to the state boarding school. I would be incredibly irritable every other day because I simply didn't get sleep.
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bevan306 posted...

it's funding for afterschool care for some schools in poor areas. You guys need to read past a headline

Maybe its a sign we do need longer school hours

having read the entire bill, it really seems like she wants to relieve working parents by making the state responsible for the parenting, which is gross.

Loud_Pipes posted...

having read the entire bill, it really seems like she wants to relieve working parents by making the state responsible for the parenting, which is gross.

Its consistent though.

Im glad she dropped out of the race.