Current Events > The terms "Pro-Life" and "Pro-choice " trigger me

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UnfairRepresent 11/07/19 2:34:49 PM #1:	Everyone is pro life and nearly everyone is pro choice. its whether you're for or against abortion and the laws/morality that is being discussed or debated Those two terms not only try to cram a multifaceted issue into 2 "sides" but they also start the conversion insulting the other "Side" "You're pro death!" "Yeah well you're against freedom!" is not how you begin any reasonable discourse. its how you begin mud slinging Imagine that in any other context. Imagine if we grouped all debate and discussion of taxes into "Pro-Money" and "Pro-Society" We'd call the people doing that mad --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:929806884] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>Everyone is pro life and nearly everyone is pro choice. its whether you're for or against abortion and the laws/morality that is being discussed or debated Those two terms not only try to cram a multifaceted issue into 2 "sides" but they also start the conversion insulting the other "Side" "You're pro death!" "Yeah well you're against freedom!" is not how you begin any reasonable discourse. its how you begin mud slinging Imagine that in any other context. Imagine if we grouped all debate and discussion of taxes into "Pro-Money" and "Pro-Society" We'd call the people doing that mad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 11/07/19 2:40:19 PM #2:	The opposition should have picked a better tactical term faster than. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:929807120] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>The opposition should have picked a better tactical term faster than. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 11/07/19 2:42:33 PM #3:	you can thank newt gingrich for that shit same way you can thank dick cheney for "climate change" instead of the apropos: "Global warming" --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:929807230] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>you can thank newt gingrich for that shit same way you can thank dick cheney for "climate change" instead of the apropos: "Global warming"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 11/07/19 2:45:14 PM #4:	Yeah they're very poor terms that are like 100% rhetorical. It should just be pro abortion and anti abortion --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:929807339] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>Yeah they're very poor terms that are like 100% rhetorical. It should just be pro abortion and anti abortion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 11/07/19 2:45:57 PM #5:	agreed it should be anti life and anti choice --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:929807375] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>agreed it should be anti life and anti choice </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/07/19 2:50:08 PM #6:	MC_BatCommander posted... Yeah they're very poor terms that are like 100% rhetorical. It should just be pro abortion and anti abortion And even that is simplifying I think the vast majority of people I'd say over 90% are pro and against abortion depending on circumstances --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:929807583] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah they're very poor terms that are like 100% rhetorical. It should just be pro abortion and anti abortion </quote> And even that is simplifying I think the vast majority of people I'd say over 90% are pro and against abortion depending on circumstances</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lightwarrior78 11/07/19 2:50:59 PM #7:	We kind of do that economically. It's just "socialist" vs "capitalist". Quotation marks there to empathize no one's 100% on either side and there's a lot of putting words in people's mouths and motives. And it isn't to vilify the other side, but often to make your own more virtuous. Pro-life doesn't want to admit the cost and hardships that come with unwanted children. Pro choice wants to skirt how often their safety net is needed in a world of people that supposedly know where babies come from and how to avoid it. --- http://backloggery.com/reddthesock <cite>lightwarrior78 posted [p:929807627] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>We kind of do that economically. It's just "socialist" vs "capitalist". Quotation marks there to empathize no one's 100% on either side and there's a lot of putting words in people's mouths and motives. And it isn't to vilify the other side, but often to make your own more virtuous. Pro-life doesn't want to admit the cost and hardships that come with unwanted children. Pro choice wants to skirt how often their safety net is needed in a world of people that supposedly know where babies come from and how to avoid it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 11/07/19 2:54:27 PM #8:	ThyCorndog posted... agreed it should be anti life and anti choice Darkseid approves. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:929807792] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>agreed it should be anti life and anti choice </quote> Darkseid approves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Garioshi 11/07/19 2:58:18 PM #9:	"Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is. --- What is this "logic" you speak of? <cite>Dark_Garioshi posted [p:929807975] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>"Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PBusted 11/07/19 3:04:24 PM #10:	MC_BatCommander posted... Yeah they're very poor terms that are like 100% rhetorical. It should just be pro abortion and anti abortion There is a problem with that however; supporting abortion legislation doesnt mean you advocate it. <cite>PBusted posted [p:929808275] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah they're very poor terms that are like 100% rhetorical. It should just be pro abortion and anti abortion </quote> There is a problem with that however; supporting abortion legislation doesnt mean you advocate it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 11/07/19 3:15:22 PM #11:	UnfairRepresent posted... Everyone is pro life Except conservatives. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:929808772] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone is pro life</quote> Except conservatives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 11/07/19 3:16:28 PM #12:	Dark_Garioshi posted... "Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is. You are pro the choice to not have your kid's vaccinated? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:929808819] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Garioshi posted... </cite> <quote>"Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is.</quote> You are pro the choice to not have your kid's vaccinated? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IHeartRadiation 11/07/19 4:19:45 PM #13:	CE why do you do this to yourself? --- I don't get it either. <cite>IHeartRadiation posted [p:929811594] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>CE why do you do this to yourself?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/08/19 3:49:32 AM #14:	darkphoenix181 posted... Dark_Garioshi posted... "Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is. You are pro the choice to not have your kid's vaccinated? Exactly they're stupid terms that avoid context and nuance --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:929835635] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>Dark_Garioshi posted... </cite> <quote>"Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is.</quote> You are pro the choice to not have your kid's vaccinated? </quote> Exactly they're stupid terms that avoid context and nuance</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pile_of_bones 11/08/19 3:56:12 AM #15:	NoChoice NoLife --- just a pile of bones ironic s*posting leads to unironic s* beliefs, ironically <cite>pile_of_bones posted [p:929835747] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>NoChoice NoLife</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 11/08/19 4:01:31 AM #16:	the certain circumstances part triggers me. Its basically saying Im against killing babies except if the mothers life is in danger, or if its an icky rape baby/icky incest baby. Then have at it. --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:929835812] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>the certain circumstances part triggers me. Its basically saying Im against killing babies except if the mothers life is in danger, or if its an icky rape baby/icky incest baby. Then have at it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/08/19 4:57:20 AM #17:	iPhone_7 posted... the certain circumstances part triggers me. Its basically saying Im against killing babies except if the mothers life is in danger, or if its an icky rape baby/icky incest baby. Then have at it. Either its killing babies or its not killing babies. This is a bad take --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:929836628] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted...</cite> <quote>the certain circumstances part triggers me. Its basically saying Im against killing babies except if the mothers life is in danger, or if its an icky rape baby/icky incest baby. Then have at it. Either its killing babies or its not killing babies.</quote> This is a bad take</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 11/08/19 8:09:07 AM #18:	Dark_Garioshi posted... "Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is. No, that is stupid and disingenuous, because the term only specifically applies to the choice to have an abortion. <cite>Esrac posted [p:929840167] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote>"Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is. </quote> No, that is stupid and disingenuous, because the term only specifically applies to the choice to have an abortion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/08/19 8:14:40 AM #19:	Esrac posted... Dark_Garioshi posted... "Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is. No, that is stupid and disingenuous, because the term only specifically applies to the choice to have an abortion. Uh.... no shit it only applies to abortion? It's about abortion. The people ignoring context are the ones pretending these are bad terms because they don't apply to literally all of life? If someone asks you about abortion, and you say "I'm pro-choice", it would make no sense for them to assume you support every choice on everything in the world. That's nonsensical. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:929840300] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>Dark_Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote>"Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is. </quote> No, that is stupid and disingenuous, because the term only specifically applies to the choice to have an abortion.</quote> Uh.... no shit it only applies to abortion? It's about abortion. The people ignoring context are the ones pretending these are bad terms because they don't apply to literally all of life? If someone asks you about abortion, and you say "I'm pro-choice", it would make no sense for them to assume you support every choice on everything in the world. That's nonsensical.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/08/19 8:34:26 AM #20:	hockeybub89 posted... Esrac posted... Dark_Garioshi posted... "Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is. No, that is stupid and disingenuous, because the term only specifically applies to the choice to have an abortion. Uh.... no shit it only applies to abortion? It's about abortion. The people ignoring context are the ones pretending these are bad terms because they don't apply to literally all of life? If someone asks you about abortion, and you say "I'm pro-choice", it would make no sense for them to assume you support every choice on everything in the world. That's nonsensical. Are you pro 8.8th month abortions? No? So you're against choice? its dumb Nuance exists this isn't a "2 sides " issue --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:929840764] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>Dark_Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote>"Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is. </quote> No, that is stupid and disingenuous, because the term only specifically applies to the choice to have an abortion.</quote> Uh.... no shit it only applies to abortion? It's about abortion. The people ignoring context are the ones pretending these are bad terms because they don't apply to literally all of life? If someone asks you about abortion, and you say "I'm pro-choice", it would make no sense for them to assume you support every choice on everything in the world. That's nonsensical.</quote> Are you pro 8.8th month abortions? No? So you're against choice? its dumb Nuance exists this isn't a "2 sides " issue</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/08/19 8:41:22 AM #21:	UnfairRepresent posted... hockeybub89 posted... Esrac posted... Dark_Garioshi posted... "Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is. No, that is stupid and disingenuous, because the term only specifically applies to the choice to have an abortion. Uh.... no shit it only applies to abortion? It's about abortion. The people ignoring context are the ones pretending these are bad terms because they don't apply to literally all of life? If someone asks you about abortion, and you say "I'm pro-choice", it would make no sense for them to assume you support every choice on everything in the world. That's nonsensical. Are you pro 8.8th month abortions? No? So you're against choice? its dumb Nuance exists this isn't a "2 sides " issue Personally, I do support all abortions, yes. Anyway, everything is nuanced, but we would never have the time to communicate if we had to break down our views in depth every time we tried to share them. You're stating the obvious and confusing it with making a point. Labels are shorthand, not gospel. And legally, I feel like this has to be a two sides issue. The law can't always be as ambiguous as feelings. Some things either need to be legal or not. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:929840931] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>Dark_Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote>"Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is. </quote> No, that is stupid and disingenuous, because the term only specifically applies to the choice to have an abortion.</quote> Uh.... no shit it only applies to abortion? It's about abortion. The people ignoring context are the ones pretending these are bad terms because they don't apply to literally all of life? If someone asks you about abortion, and you say "I'm pro-choice", it would make no sense for them to assume you support every choice on everything in the world. That's nonsensical.</quote> Are you pro 8.8th month abortions? No? So you're against choice? its dumb Nuance exists this isn't a "2 sides " issue</quote> Personally, I do support all abortions, yes. Anyway, everything is nuanced, but we would never have the time to communicate if we had to break down our views in depth every time we tried to share them. You're stating the obvious and confusing it with making a point. Labels are shorthand, not gospel. And legally, I feel like this has to be a two sides issue. The law can't always be as ambiguous as feelings. Some things either need to be legal or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/08/19 9:07:21 AM #22:	hockeybub89 posted... Anyway, everything is nuanced, but we would never have the time to communicate if we had to break down our views in depth every time we tried to share them. You Oh poop on a stick to this. I reject the notion that we have to create 2 teams, sling mud and boil down nuanced issues because we're too stupid to think or discuss things That's fucking fundamentalist religion logic --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:929841643] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Anyway, everything is nuanced, but we would never have the time to communicate if we had to break down our views in depth every time we tried to share them. You</quote> Oh poop on a stick to this. I reject the notion that we have to create 2 teams, sling mud and boil down nuanced issues because we're too stupid to think or discuss things That's fucking fundamentalist religion logic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 11/08/19 9:21:33 AM #23:	UnfairRepresent posted... "You're pro death!" "Yeah well you're against freedom!" is not how you begin any reasonable discourse. its how you begin mud slinging This is just how politics is though. In the 2020 election season, try counting how many ads you see that say "I m a good candidate" vs ads that say "that other person is a bad candidate". Bonus points, take out the last line (or two of the last line is the "I approve this message" line) and tally them again. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:929842074] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>"You're pro death!" "Yeah well you're against freedom!" is not how you begin any reasonable discourse. its how you begin mud slinging</quote> This is just how politics is though. In the 2020 election season, try counting how many ads you see that say "I m a good candidate" vs ads that say "that other person is a bad candidate". Bonus points, take out the last line (or two of the last line is the "I approve this message" line) and tally them again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 11/08/19 9:21:48 AM #24:	hockeybub89 posted... Esrac posted... Dark_Garioshi posted... "Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is. No, that is stupid and disingenuous, because the term only specifically applies to the choice to have an abortion. Uh.... no shit it only applies to abortion? It's about abortion. The people ignoring context are the ones pretending these are bad terms because they don't apply to literally all of life? If someone asks you about abortion, and you say "I'm pro-choice", it would make no sense for them to assume you support every choice on everything in the world. That's nonsensical. They're marketing terms because the real terms, pro- or anti- abortion, don't sound as friendly to their cause. No one mentions being pro-choice with the option of adoption. It is only for abortion, which is why it's a disingenuous term. You aren't advocating for choice, you're advocating for easy access to abortions. As someone mentioned earlier, people probably wouldn't be so pro-choice on other controversial issues, like vaccinations. <cite>Esrac posted [p:929842084] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>Dark_Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote>"Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is. </quote> No, that is stupid and disingenuous, because the term only specifically applies to the choice to have an abortion.</quote> Uh.... no shit it only applies to abortion? It's about abortion. The people ignoring context are the ones pretending these are bad terms because they don't apply to literally all of life? If someone asks you about abortion, and you say "I'm pro-choice", it would make no sense for them to assume you support every choice on everything in the world. That's nonsensical.</quote> They're marketing terms because the real terms, pro- or anti- abortion, don't sound as friendly to their cause. No one mentions being pro-choice with the option of adoption. It is only for abortion, which is why it's a disingenuous term. You aren't advocating for choice, you're advocating for easy access to abortions. As someone mentioned earlier, people probably wouldn't be so pro-choice on other controversial issues, like vaccinations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 11/08/19 10:16:57 AM #25:	Esrac posted... Dark_Garioshi posted... "Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is. No, that is stupid and disingenuous, because the term only specifically applies to the choice to have an abortion. This. Being "pro-choice" means only pro-choice for things that I like. <cite>Annihilated posted [p:929843999] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>Dark_Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote>"Pro-choice" is literally what the position is, though. "Pro-life" should be renamed "anti-choice" because that's literally what the position is. </quote> No, that is stupid and disingenuous, because the term only specifically applies to the choice to have an abortion.</quote> This. Being "pro-choice" means only pro-choice for things that I like.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 11/08/19 11:01:58 AM #26:	hockeybub89 posted... Uh.... no s* it only applies to abortion? It's about abortion. The people ignoring context are the ones pretending these are bad terms because they don't apply to literally all of life? If someone asks you about abortion, and you say "I'm pro-choice", it would make no sense for them to assume you support every choice on everything in the world. That's nonsensical. What happened to "they are not pro-life cause they don't want to support welfare and refugees!" You say it is obviously only about abortion, yet I am pretty sure you made and participated in threads like that before. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:929845803] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Uh.... no s* it only applies to abortion? It's about abortion. The people ignoring context are the ones pretending these are bad terms because they don't apply to literally all of life? If someone asks you about abortion, and you say "I'm pro-choice", it would make no sense for them to assume you support every choice on everything in the world. That's nonsensical.</quote> What happened to "they are not pro-life cause they don't want to support welfare and refugees!" You say it is obviously only about abortion, yet I am pretty sure you made and participated in threads like that before. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 11/08/19 11:16:15 AM #27:	UnfairRepresent posted... iPhone_7 posted... the certain circumstances part triggers me. Its basically saying Im against killing babies except if the mothers life is in danger, or if its an icky rape baby/icky incest baby. Then have at it. Either its killing babies or its not killing babies. This is a bad take Well if someone claims that abortion is murdering babies and that theyre pro-life but make exceptions, then that means theyre okay with murdering babies in those exceptions. - If the exception is the mothers life is in danger then she was saved but her baby was murdered. - If the exception is that the woman was raped then the rape baby was murdered. - If the exception is that the mother & father are related then the incest baby was murdered. - If the exception is that its early in the pregnancy but the fetus is still a baby (has personhood), then its (unborn)premature baby murder. Only people who can truly say they are pro-life and claim the morality argument are the ones flat-out against abortion. Then its the ones who are okay with early pregnancy termination because they believe the fetus does not yet have personhood. And perhaps lastly its the ones who make an exception for the mothers life being in danger, because then its a draw. If people are gonna continue with how the term pro-life has been used & if they say they make exceptions then they should be called out on it, especially politicians. --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:929846364] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted...</cite> <quote>the certain circumstances part triggers me. Its basically saying Im against killing babies except if the mothers life is in danger, or if its an icky rape baby/icky incest baby. Then have at it. Either its killing babies or its not killing babies.</quote> This is a bad take</quote> Well if someone claims that abortion is murdering babies and that theyre pro-life but make exceptions, then that means theyre okay with murdering babies in those exceptions. - If the exception is the mothers life is in danger then she was saved but her baby was murdered. - If the exception is that the woman was raped then the rape baby was murdered. - If the exception is that the mother & father are related then the incest baby was murdered. - If the exception is that its early in the pregnancy but the fetus is still a baby (has personhood), then its (unborn)premature baby murder. Only people who can truly say they are pro-life and claim the morality argument are the ones flat-out against abortion. Then its the ones who are okay with early pregnancy termination because they believe the fetus does not yet have personhood. And perhaps lastly its the ones who make an exception for the mothers life being in danger, because then its a draw. If people are gonna continue with how the term pro-life has been used & if they say they make exceptions then they should be called out on it, especially politicians.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 11/08/19 11:19:07 AM #28:	Would you say making those exceptions is an attempt to be pragmatic to others? I mean, if they make no exceptions, people call them cruel and heartless. If they do, they call them hypocrites. --- Pitter-patter, let's get at 'er <cite>emblem boy posted [p:929846466] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>Would you say making those exceptions is an attempt to be pragmatic to others? I mean, if they make no exceptions, people call them cruel and heartless. If they do, they call them hypocrites. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/08/19 11:29:49 AM #29:	iPhone_7 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... iPhone_7 posted... the certain circumstances part triggers me. Its basically saying Im against killing babies except if the mothers life is in danger, or if its an icky rape baby/icky incest baby. Then have at it. Either its killing babies or its not killing babies. This is a bad take Well if someone claims that abortion is murdering babies and that theyre pro-life but make exceptions, then that means theyre okay with murdering babies in those exceptions. - If the exception is the mothers life is in danger then she was saved but her baby was murdered. - If the exception is that the woman was raped then the rape baby was murdered. - If the exception is that the mother & father are related then the incest baby was murdered. - If the exception is that its early in the pregnancy but the fetus is still a baby (has personhood), then its (unborn)premature baby murder. Only people who can truly say they are pro-life and claim the morality argument are the ones flat-out against abortion. Then its the ones who are okay with early pregnancy termination because they believe the fetus does not yet have personhood. And perhaps lastly its the ones who make an exception for the mothers life being in danger, because then its a draw. If people are gonna continue with how the term pro-life has been used & if they say they make exceptions then they should be called out on it, especially politicians. this is a really really bad post --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:929846876] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted...</cite> <quote>the certain circumstances part triggers me. Its basically saying Im against killing babies except if the mothers life is in danger, or if its an icky rape baby/icky incest baby. Then have at it. Either its killing babies or its not killing babies.</quote> This is a bad take</quote> Well if someone claims that abortion is murdering babies and that theyre pro-life but make exceptions, then that means theyre okay with murdering babies in those exceptions. - If the exception is the mothers life is in danger then she was saved but her baby was murdered. - If the exception is that the woman was raped then the rape baby was murdered. - If the exception is that the mother & father are related then the incest baby was murdered. - If the exception is that its early in the pregnancy but the fetus is still a baby (has personhood), then its (unborn)premature baby murder. Only people who can truly say they are pro-life and claim the morality argument are the ones flat-out against abortion. Then its the ones who are okay with early pregnancy termination because they believe the fetus does not yet have personhood. And perhaps lastly its the ones who make an exception for the mothers life being in danger, because then its a draw. If people are gonna continue with how the term pro-life has been used & if they say they make exceptions then they should be called out on it, especially politicians.</quote> this is a really really bad post</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 11/08/19 11:31:32 AM #30:	UnfairRepresent posted... this is a really really bad post this is a really really really bad post --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:929846936] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>this is a really really bad post</quote> this is a really really really bad post</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DocDelicious 11/08/19 11:32:45 AM #31:	I'm pro-abortion, in that I think that people should be required to have above a certain income and take some sort of general knowledge/parenting test before being allowed to have a child. Otherwise it's mandatory abortion. --- o7 Let strength be granted so the world might be mended. <cite>DocDelicious posted [p:929846997] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>I'm pro-abortion, in that I think that people should be required to have above a certain income and take some sort of general knowledge/parenting test before being allowed to have a child. Otherwise it's mandatory abortion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/08/19 11:38:33 AM #32:	iPhone_7 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... this is a really really bad post this is a really really really bad post This is a really really really really bad post DocDelicious posted... I'm pro-abortion, in that I think that people should be required to have above a certain income and take some sort of general knowledge/parenting test before being allowed to have a child. Otherwise it's mandatory abortion. This one too --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgtc.com/i/bHqCLJF.png https://i.imgtc.com/YnvkpvU.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:929847221] in The terms ... [t:78142400]...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>this is a really really bad post</quote> this is a really really really bad post</quote> This is a really really really really bad post DocDelicious posted...</cite> <quote>I'm pro-abortion, in that I think that people should be required to have above a certain income and take some sort of general knowledge/parenting test before being allowed to have a child. Otherwise it's mandatory abortion.</quote> This one too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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