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Even though I think people are being babies about Dexit and the majority of cuts make sense (literally every single decision in Gen 1 made sense other than no Scyther and Abra) -- I will admit that the even easier difficulty, the short length of the main storyline, the move cut, and the not being able to catch higher level Pokemon are all big deals.
I probably won't buy the game now because of those things and its high price (honestly - if I'm going to buy a full price, AAA game right now I'll probably just re-buy DQ11 on the Switch) -- but I still think Dexit complainers are babies.

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The reason Dexit is a problem is that their reasoning behind it, that they wanted to improve the animations and focus on other features, is either just an outright lie (the games animation have no notable improvement and there are more features cut than added) or that Game Freak is legitimately incompetent and that they needed to cut those Pokemon to get the product we currently subpar product we currently have.

If the game came out looking like Super Mario Odyssey, with the Pokemon they didn't cut having fleshed out animations, robust new features, and popular old features, then people would have been much more forgiving of the Dexit. As it stands now, they were cut and there seems little to show for their culling.

And don't you be badmouthing Starmie.
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Gheb posted...

The reason Dexit is a problem is that their reasoning behind it, that they wanted to improve the animations and focus on other features, is either just an outright lie (the games animation have no notable improvement and there are more features cut than added) or that Game Freak is legitimately incompetent and that they needed to cut those Pokemon to get the product we currently subpar product we currently have.

If the game came out looking like Super Mario Odyssey, with the Pokemon they didn't cut having fleshed out animations, robust new features, and popular old features, then people would have been much more forgiving of the Dexit. As it stands now, they were cut and there seems little to show for their culling.

And don't you be badmouthing Starmie.

Granted I never played competitive, and I haven't looked up anything since Gen 5 --
but lots of the Pokemon they cut were either meta-defining Pokemon that were overused in competitive play (Skarmory, Garchomp, Salamence, etc.), were starters (many of which had mega-evolutions, or aren't very necessary outside of competitive play or nostalgia because even though their movesets are vastly different their typings and cumulative stats are similar), or were legendaries (and we don't need THAT many legendaries, especially if you were expecting them to shove them in the game. what - are they going to have like 20 different optional dungeons with the legendaries at the end?).

The cuts made perfect sense if they wanted to reboot the franchise and re-establish a different competitive atmosphere without power-creeping existing Pokemon. Plus many of the ones they kept were literally the iconic or popular Pokemon you'd "expect" them to keep outside of starters and legendaries.

I'll use Gen 1 for an example, since I didn't really watch the tv show after gen 1 and played every generation retroactively starting with Gen 5. From growing up when Gen 1 came out and hearing everybody around me talk about it constantly, I'll say.

They kept iconic first gen Pokemon like Butterfree, Pikachu, Charmander, Clefairy, Vulpix, Meowth, Onix, Gengar, Koffing, Gyrados, Lapras, the Eeveelutions, Snorlax, and Mew.
They kept Machop, one of the most popular Pokemon in Japan. They kept Farfetch'd because they gave him an evolution. They kept some unique Pokemon that had strong, fringe fanbases like Hitmonchan/Hitmonlee/Ditto/Mr.Mime.

And they took out stuff like Jynx, Beedrill, Fearow, Dewgong, Drowzee, and Voltorb that most people don't care about.

So you are saying they were purposely cutting competitively significant Pokemon to change up the competitive landscape, but at the same time they are also cutting competitively insignificant Pokemon?

I seriously doubt they were putting too much thought into the competitive landscape at all.

And frankly the cuts aren't going to get rid of meta-centering Pokemon, it'll just change who they are. Watch Excadrill become a very serious problem, very quickly.
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TC legit has issues
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Gheb posted...

So you are saying they were purposely cutting competitively significant Pokemon to change up the competitive landscape, but at the same time they are also cutting competitively insignificant Pokemon?

I seriously doubt they were putting too much thought into the competitive landscape at all.

And frankly the cuts aren't going to get rid of meta-centering Pokemon, it'll just change who they are. Watch Excadrill become a very serious problem, very quickly.

I'm going by what I read someone else say, and it makes sense. Literally everybody talked about Garchomp and Skarmory back around Gen 5.
I'll agree that Excadrill is a big blindsight, though. You're definitely right about that and that definitely serves as a counterargument.

I just think they made the cuts they are making without competitive thoughts in mind and people just backed into a competitive explanation for it. When you cut more than half dex, it's easy to point out all the significant competitive cuts.
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SwayM posted...

TC legit has issues

I don't have issues - I just hate shitty, unreasonable fanbases.
Like I said in another thread - I've been playing gatcha games ever since I got a smart phone, and I'm so sick of their respective reddits having posters complaining about comparatively GOOD drop-rates (like 5% or 8%? Those are GREAT compared to games like Valkyrie Connect), suggest things like SSR Selection Tickets (which only make sense in games with huge card pools, otherwise why would the company intentionally break their game and destroy all potential profit?), or the terrible suggestion of trading (meaning people with multiple devices would literally re-roll on multiple different devices, trade the best rolls all to one device and literally not spend a dime).
Recently I also watched a video of a dude comparing Diablo 2 to Diablo 3 with some of the lamest arguments as to why 2 was better. It was infuriating. All he did was bash Blizzard the whole time, too - and it was obnoxious.

I hate unreasonable, obnoxious fanbases that are incapable of actually thinking.

Don't forget that you can't change the sound options until you find an item in-game
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Don't forget that you can't change the sound options until you find an item in-game

Like the volume of sounds, or the ability to turn off sounds?
Either way that's kind of dumb

Yeah I think I agree, tc. I don't think an available Pokemon reshuffle is a bad thing at all, especially given the ever growing number of them. Lots of the complaints about it seem to revolve around how inherently bad it is to have less Pokemon without much actual thought or justification put into it.

But yeah obviously it seems plenty of other things about the games are bad too

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Don't forget that you can't change the sound options until you find an item in-game

Its gamefreak, just look how this people handle pokemom events ffs. It shoulve been simple to just make all the event shiny pokemon through wifi but nooope they had to make their loyal fan jump through unneccesry hoops in order to get those rare event shiny mythical etc.

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Malfunction posted...

Yeah I think I agree, tc. I don't think an available Pokemon reshuffle is a bad thing at all, especially given the ever growing number of them. Lots of the complaints about it seem to revolve around how inherently bad it is to have less Pokemon without much actual thought or justification put into it.

But yeah obviously it seems plenty of other things about the games are bad too

I'll totally admit to the other faults.
The other faults I pointed out literally changed my mind on whether or not I'll purchase the game. I'm definitely not spending like half a day's work after taxes to get something that I'll beat in a weekend, doesn't have a ton of replay value, and has tons of flaws.
I just am annoyed with the Dexit complaints, and I'm glad you agree. I'm glad someone agrees who isn't Duncan.

Is it overblown? Yeah kinda. Is it a non-issue? No, fuck outta here with that shit. The criticism stems beyond "Oh I can't play as that obscure pokemon I like. Pre-order canceled". It's "Oh they cut over half of the Pokmon so that they could allocate time to doing what exactly?"
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bobbaaay posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Don't forget that you can't change the sound options until you find an item in-game

Like the volume of sounds, or the ability to turn off sounds?
Either way that's kind of dumb

Volume

https://twitter.com/thatdude433/status/1194066042336755712
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bobbaaay posted...

Malfunction posted...

Yeah I think I agree, tc. I don't think an available Pokemon reshuffle is a bad thing at all, especially given the ever growing number of them. Lots of the complaints about it seem to revolve around how inherently bad it is to have less Pokemon without much actual thought or justification put into it.

But yeah obviously it seems plenty of other things about the games are bad too

I'll totally admit to the other faults.
The other faults I pointed out literally changed my mind on whether or not I'll purchase the game. I'm definitely not spending like half a day's work after taxes to get something that I'll beat in a weekend, doesn't have a ton of replay value, and has tons of flaws.
I just am annoyed with the Dexit complaints, and I'm glad you agree. I'm glad someone agrees who isn't Duncan.

It just seems to me like something that was going to come to a head eventually. I think at some point or another they'd probably have to start culling them for main series games.

Maybe some sort of explainer would've been a good PR exercise, talking about rebalancing or something. I've seen people say their issue is that they can't play as X or Y pokemon who they've used since RBY though and I'm just like...really dude?

My first playthrough of a Gen, I always try to use only new Pokemon. Even on subsequent playthroughs I try to use Pokemon I haven't used before. But after beating the story, I always go through and breed up some of my old favorites because I like having them. I liked seeing what changes they might have got in the new generation. So I'm never going to like that a Pokemon game that doesn't let me have eventual access to Starmie, Breloom, Ampharos, etc.
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