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Oliver_Oliver 11/23/19 1:42:03 AM #202:	Skye Reynolds posted... So, this can't retroactively affect videos, can it? I made some YouTube videos years ago for an ASL class and I've forgotten the log-in and password. It would absolutely ruin my day if someone came knocking on my door and told me I hadn't properly listed my content as for kids or adults. @Skye_Reynolds Unfortunately, it very much retroactively hits all videos. ALL videos on Youtube, old and new, can be potential victims of the FTC. However, you point out one hell of a huge problem. There are tons of people who have casually uploaded stuff over the years since Youtube began in 2005 (like a school and / or college assignment, a short clip of their cat, a short gaming clip they thought was funny, etc, etc) and don't remember their log-ins / passwords anymore since it's been years and those videos were just casually uploaded (they weren't meant to start up a serious Youtube channel). I don't think that has occurred to the people running the FTC yet (to be fair, there is A LOT of stuff that hasn't occurred to them). While Youtube's machine learning for COPPA is suppose to automatically label videos if someone doesn't do it (well, that's what they claim... I'm not sure how the hell they can pull it off since it's already mislabeling things and the COPPA thing starts January) it still doesn't address videos that don't get auto labeled and videos the FTC thinks are a certain way (remember: it doesn't matter what Youtube thinks, it's what the FTC thinks). I assume they can tell when was the last time someone logged into their Youtube account and have mercy on someone who, for example, hasn't logged in since 2008 or something, but I don't know. --- Confidence? It's nothing but an illusion. <cite>Oliver_Oliver posted [p:930564365] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>Skye Reynolds posted...</cite> <quote>So, this can't retroactively affect videos, can it? I made some YouTube videos years ago for an ASL class and I've forgotten the log-in and password. It would absolutely ruin my day if someone came knocking on my door and told me I hadn't properly listed my content as for kids or adults.</quote> @Skye_Reynolds Unfortunately, it very much retroactively hits all videos. ALL videos on Youtube, old and new, can be potential victims of the FTC. However, you point out one hell of a huge problem. There are tons of people who have casually uploaded stuff over the years since Youtube began in 2005 (like a school and / or college assignment, a short clip of their cat, a short gaming clip they thought was funny, etc, etc) and don't remember their log-ins / passwords anymore since it's been years and those videos were just casually uploaded (they weren't meant to start up a serious Youtube channel). I don't think that has occurred to the people running the FTC yet (to be fair, there is A LOT of stuff that hasn't occurred to them). While Youtube's machine learning for COPPA is suppose to automatically label videos if someone doesn't do it (well, that's what they claim... I'm not sure how the hell they can pull it off since it's already mislabeling things and the COPPA thing starts January) it still doesn't address videos that don't get auto labeled and videos the FTC thinks are a certain way (remember: it doesn't matter what Youtube thinks, it's what the FTC thinks). I assume they can tell when was the last time someone logged into their Youtube account and have mercy on someone who, for example, hasn't logged in since 2008 or something, but I don't know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SoundNetwork 11/23/19 1:58:28 AM #203:	Good maybe people should stop watching youtube videos and find a job or go to school --- https://imgur.com/HcKBWZ6 <cite>SoundNetwork posted [p:930564741] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>Good maybe people should stop watching youtube videos and find a job or go to school </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
user78 11/23/19 2:00:47 AM #204:	RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted... laughs in Europe Keep laughing when you can't comment on videos that are turned into "For Kids". Keep laughing when they close your Youtube account for breaking their rules. <cite>user78 posted [p:930564795] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...</cite> <quote>laughs in Europe</quote> Keep laughing when you can't comment on videos that are turned into "For Kids". Keep laughing when they close your Youtube account for breaking their rules.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 11/23/19 2:01:15 AM #205:	I have one video on youtube, probably just going to take it down to avoid problems --- "Why is ontology so expensive?" - JH [Is this live?][Joyless planet...] <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:930564804] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>I have one video on youtube, probably just going to take it down to avoid problems</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk 11/23/19 2:02:19 AM #206:	Skye Reynolds posted... So, this can't retroactively affect videos, can it? I made some YouTube videos years ago for an ASL class and I've forgotten the log-in and password. It would absolutely ruin my day if someone came knocking on my door and told me I hadn't properly listed my content as for kids or adults. Pretty sure they'll just remove the videos automatically and it's up to you to change it user78 posted... Keep laughing when you can't comment on videos that are turned into "For Kids". Keep laughing when they close your Youtube account for breaking their rules. The problem is commenting on videos, I don't do that. The other problem is I don't upload videos to YouTube since it's just an advertising platform for Google to harvest data with --- https://imgur.com/tRUZB3x <cite>RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted [p:930564831] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>Skye Reynolds posted...</cite> <quote>So, this can't retroactively affect videos, can it? I made some YouTube videos years ago for an ASL class and I've forgotten the log-in and password. It would absolutely ruin my day if someone came knocking on my door and told me I hadn't properly listed my content as for kids or adults.</quote> Pretty sure they'll just remove the videos automatically and it's up to you to change it user78 posted...</cite> <quote> Keep laughing when you can't comment on videos that are turned into "For Kids". Keep laughing when they close your Youtube account for breaking their rules. </quote> The problem is commenting on videos, I don't do that. The other problem is I don't upload videos to YouTube since it's just an advertising platform for Google to harvest data with</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/23/19 3:09:33 AM #207:	Skye Reynolds posted... This is gonna have to be amended and quickly. The FTC can't just come along and say that bright colors and video games are automatically for children. If that's the case, it'll be the biggest source of restrictions on content in the US since the Hays Code or the Comics Code Authority. Yeah. It's definitely going to change. At least, it has to if they want to actually make the policy work... Foppe posted... LinkPizza posted... It doesn't matter much. While I am vehemently against COPPA, it should be fine for games rated T and up. The thing is that they will fine you. But you can go to court. Once you show the game is rated T for teen, there's not much they can do. IANAL, but they legally can't tell you that it's for kids under 13 when the game says it's for 13+... Fighting them in court is not directly cheap. True. But not everyone has to fight them in court. Even if one person fights them, they can get rules changed. But because of how dumb the FTC is, it might take a few. But after a few cases are lost because they don't understand that not all video games or thing with bright colors are for children, I would hope they would figure it out and understand. Or amend the law or something... SoundNetwork posted... Good maybe people should stop watching youtube videos and find a job or go to school Well, maybe people can do both, or all three... You don't have to not watch youtube videos to work or go to school. I do all three all the time... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930566303] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>Skye Reynolds posted...</cite> <quote>This is gonna have to be amended and quickly. The FTC can't just come along and say that bright colors and video games are automatically for children. If that's the case, it'll be the biggest source of restrictions on content in the US since the Hays Code or the Comics Code Authority.</quote> Yeah. It's definitely going to change. At least, it has to if they want to actually make the policy work... Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>It doesn't matter much. While I am vehemently against COPPA, it should be fine for games rated T and up. The thing is that they will fine you. But you can go to court. Once you show the game is rated T for teen, there's not much they can do. IANAL, but they legally can't tell you that it's for kids under 13 when the game says it's for 13+...</quote>Fighting them in court is not directly cheap. </quote> True. But not everyone has to fight them in court. Even if one person fights them, they can get rules changed. But because of how dumb the FTC is, it might take a few. But after a few cases are lost because they don't understand that not all video games or thing with bright colors are for children, I would hope they would figure it out and understand. Or amend the law or something... SoundNetwork posted...</cite> <quote>Good maybe people should stop watching youtube videos and find a job or go to school </quote> Well, maybe people can do both, or all three... You don't have to not watch youtube videos to work or go to school. I do all three all the time...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 11/23/19 3:13:09 AM #208:	LinkPizza posted... True. But not everyone has to fight them in court. Even if one person fights them, they can get rules changed. But because of how dumb the FTC is, it might take a few. But after a few cases are lost because they don't understand that not all video games or thing with bright colors are for children, I would hope they would figure it out and understand. Or amend the law or something... And who is going to fight them? The average uploader cant afford it. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:930566385] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>True. But not everyone has to fight them in court. Even if one person fights them, they can get rules changed. But because of how dumb the FTC is, it might take a few. But after a few cases are lost because they don't understand that not all video games or thing with bright colors are for children, I would hope they would figure it out and understand. Or amend the law or something...</quote>And who is going to fight them? The average uploader cant afford it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/23/19 3:17:08 AM #209:	Foppe posted... LinkPizza posted... True. But not everyone has to fight them in court. Even if one person fights them, they can get rules changed. But because of how dumb the FTC is, it might take a few. But after a few cases are lost because they don't understand that not all video games or thing with bright colors are for children, I would hope they would figure it out and understand. Or amend the law or something... And who is going to fight them? The average uploader cant afford it. Maybe. Maybe not. If someone doesn't do youtube for a job, it's possible that they have a job where they have a good amount of money. Or even a lawyer. Also, they might be a lawyer or two who would do it pro bono or something. Or maybe a lawyer who thinks they can countersue to get money back that way. If it is a big youtuber, they also might be able to afford it. Or use their "celebrity" status to get one... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930566466] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>True. But not everyone has to fight them in court. Even if one person fights them, they can get rules changed. But because of how dumb the FTC is, it might take a few. But after a few cases are lost because they don't understand that not all video games or thing with bright colors are for children, I would hope they would figure it out and understand. Or amend the law or something...</quote>And who is going to fight them? The average uploader cant afford it.</quote> Maybe. Maybe not. If someone doesn't do youtube for a job, it's possible that they have a job where they have a good amount of money. Or even a lawyer. Also, they might be a lawyer or two who would do it pro bono or something. Or maybe a lawyer who thinks they can countersue to get money back that way. If it is a big youtuber, they also might be able to afford it. Or use their "celebrity" status to get one...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SONIC_305 11/23/19 3:28:03 AM #210:	SerperiorThanU posted... Governments all over the world are wanting more control over the internet. Its scary. it sadly is, government been wanting to find more ways to govern the internet since like forever. --- PSN: KlonoaxGuntz BBCF Mains: Ragna, Makoto, Izayoi and Es Games Playing: DBFZ, BBCF, & Monster Hunter World <cite>SONIC_305 posted [p:930566678] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>SerperiorThanU posted...</cite> <quote>Governments all over the world are wanting more control over the internet. Its scary.</quote> it sadly is, government been wanting to find more ways to govern the internet since like forever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/23/19 3:44:30 AM #211:	SONIC_305 posted... SerperiorThanU posted... Governments all over the world are wanting more control over the internet. Its scary. it sadly is, government been wanting to find more ways to govern the internet since like forever. This just shows us the brilliance of the TCP/IP protocol, initially engineered for a nuclear apocalypse. It treats censorship as damage, and routes around it. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:930566997] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>SONIC_305 posted...</cite> <quote>SerperiorThanU posted...</cite> <quote>Governments all over the world are wanting more control over the internet. Its scary.</quote> it sadly is, government been wanting to find more ways to govern the internet since like forever.</quote> This just shows us the brilliance of the TCP/IP protocol, initially engineered for a nuclear apocalypse. It treats censorship as damage, and routes around it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marc55 11/23/19 9:49:52 AM #212:	seems this would classify even stuff like dorkly bits as for children only...... --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. <cite>marc55 posted [p:930573532] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>seems this would classify even stuff like dorkly bits as for children only......</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 11/23/19 10:19:43 AM #213:	marc55 posted... seems this would classify even stuff like dorkly bits as for children only...... Luigi: "And they all got a-super pregnant." Child: <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:930574363] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>marc55 posted...</cite> <quote>seems this would classify even stuff like dorkly bits as for children only......</quote> Luigi: "And they all got a-super pregnant." Child: </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 11/23/19 10:48:45 PM #214:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwnvjuCTb54 COPPA law stated since 2015 that there is a "general audience" exception to this that Youtube blatantly ignored just because adding that option would cut into corporate profits. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:930604705] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwnvjuCTb54 COPPA law stated since 2015 that there is a "general audience" exception to this that Youtube blatantly ignored just because adding that option would cut into corporate profits.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 11/23/19 11:00:30 PM #215:	AlephZero posted... gamers RISE UP Sadly gamers only care about SJWs. --- Occam's razor: The simplest solution (answer) is most likely the right one <cite>creativerealms posted [p:930605144] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>gamers RISE UP</quote> Sadly gamers only care about SJWs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bluharvest 11/23/19 11:02:04 PM #216:	What if you have random stuff on your youtibe channnel from a decade ago and don't remember the login details? Or is this only a concern for career youtubers --- http://gamefaqs.com/916401/b/- \|Come on down for drinks and good company\| <cite>Bluharvest posted [p:930605216] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>What if you have random stuff on your youtibe channnel from a decade ago and don't remember the login details? Or is this only a concern for career youtubers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 11/23/19 11:36:44 PM #217:	Bluharvest posted... Or is this only a concern for career youtubers this, i think. i mean they can't sue everyone, right? ...r-right? --- - Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:930606449] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>Bluharvest posted... </cite> <quote>Or is this only a concern for career youtubers</quote>this, i think. i mean they can't sue everyone, right? ...r-right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/23/19 11:58:47 PM #218:	So what are kids supposed to watch on YouTube if only adult content will show up in recommendations, searches, and basically anywhere? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:930607257] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>So what are kids supposed to watch on YouTube if only adult content will show up in recommendations, searches, and basically anywhere? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bat178 11/24/19 12:00:30 AM #219:	viewmaster_pi posted... Bluharvest posted... Or is this only a concern for career youtubers this, i think. i mean they can't sue everyone, right? ...r-right? There would be trouble if they tried to sue a foreign Youtuber. --- Good. Still, doesn't change the fact Brunei and Singapore need to be annexed by Dr.M. - Wazzupguys <cite>Bat178 posted [p:930607329] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote>Bluharvest posted... </cite> <quote>Or is this only a concern for career youtubers</quote>this, i think. i mean they can't sue everyone, right? ...r-right? </quote> There would be trouble if they tried to sue a foreign Youtuber.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/24/19 12:10:35 AM #220:	hockeybub89 posted... So what are kids supposed to watch on YouTube if only adult content will show up in recommendations, searches, and basically anywhere? And thats the problem... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930607733] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>So what are kids supposed to watch on YouTube if only adult content will show up in recommendations, searches, and basically anywhere?</quote> And thats the problem...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oliver_Oliver 11/24/19 2:36:58 AM #221:	Bluharvest posted... What if you have random stuff on your youtibe channnel from a decade ago and don't remember the login details? Or is this only a concern for career youtubers? viewmaster_pi posted... this, i think. i mean they can't sue everyone, right? ...r-right? @Bluharvest @viewmaster_pi This is for ANY video on Youtube (doesn't matter if it's from a career Youtuber or someone who casually uploaded a video years ago). Earlier in the topic there were some wondering about this same thing... and for good reason. If someone who casually uses Youtube and has one video of a school play with their kids in it that they uploaded 10 years ago and they have forgotten their password to that old Youtube account, how the flying fuck are they going to be able to check off if the video is for kids or adults!?!? Well.... the FTC does NOT give two fucks and will fine anyone (it can be a career Youtuber or even someone who just casually uploads stuff). They will fine ANYONE they find in violation (the fact that the FTC guy at the conference said that it's going to be like shooting fish in a barrel and that Youtube is the barrel and the Youtubers are the fish (yes, these are almost his exact words) and he stated that anyone with a video in violation will be SUED (it sounds like they will drag their victims into court, which is NOT fun if one can't afford a lawyer, and THEN hit them with a fine up to $42,000. The FTC has TONS of lawyers with free time on their hands) is something that is causing A LOT of people to worry. I know some people are saying that the FTC guy is just saying all of that to scare people and won't do shit, but I'm pretty damn certain he's VERY serious and the FTC will be handing out fines, especially since they also announced that the FTC will be doing periodic sweeps on Youtube to find violators so they can fine them (it's a big cash grab when you think about it. They can make A LOT of money off of this. they already got $170 million from Youtube). The "good" news is that Youtube is currently setting up a special type of machine learning that will check off whether or not a video is a kids video or an adult video if the content creator doesn't check it off. The bad news is that it currently sucks ass and it also doesn't matter what Youtube thinks, the final decision is up to the FTC. --- Confidence? It's nothing but an illusion. <cite>Oliver_Oliver posted [p:930612220] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>Bluharvest posted... </cite> <quote>What if you have random stuff on your youtibe channnel from a decade ago and don't remember the login details? Or is this only a concern for career youtubers?</quote> viewmaster_pi posted... </cite> <quote>this, i think. i mean they can't sue everyone, right? ...r-right?</quote> @Bluharvest @viewmaster_pi This is for ANY video on Youtube (doesn't matter if it's from a career Youtuber or someone who casually uploaded a video years ago). Earlier in the topic there were some wondering about this same thing... and for good reason. If someone who casually uses Youtube and has one video of a school play with their kids in it that they uploaded 10 years ago and they have forgotten their password to that old Youtube account, how the flying fuck are they going to be able to check off if the video is for kids or adults!?!? Well.... the FTC does NOT give two fucks and will fine anyone (it can be a career Youtuber or even someone who just casually uploads stuff). They will fine ANYONE they find in violation (the fact that the FTC guy at the conference said that it's going to be like shooting fish in a barrel and that Youtube is the barrel and the Youtubers are the fish (yes, these are almost his exact words) and he stated that anyone with a video in violation will be SUED (it sounds like they will drag their victims into court, which is NOT fun if one can't afford a lawyer, and THEN hit them with a fine up to $42,000. The FTC has TONS of lawyers with free time on their hands) is something that is causing A LOT of people to worry. I know some people are saying that the FTC guy is just saying all of that to scare people and won't do shit, but I'm pretty damn certain he's VERY serious and the FTC will be handing out fines, especially since they also announced that the FTC will be doing periodic sweeps on Youtube to find violators so they can fine them (it's a big cash grab when you think about it. They can make A LOT of money off of this. they already got $170 million from Youtube). The "good" news is that Youtube is currently setting up a special type of machine learning that will check off whether or not a video is a kids video or an adult video if the content creator doesn't check it off. The bad news is that it currently sucks ass and it also doesn't matter what Youtube thinks, the final decision is up to the FTC. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 11/24/19 2:54:19 AM #222:	i actually remembered my first youtube channel's info, crazy looking at this stuff from 11 years ago i kinda wanna share stuff before i delete it --- - Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:930612651] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>i actually remembered my first youtube channel's info, crazy looking at this stuff from 11 years ago i kinda wanna share stuff before i delete it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phoenixeater 11/24/19 4:07:37 PM #223:	Oliver_Oliver posted... Bluharvest posted... What if you have random stuff on your youtibe channnel from a decade ago and don't remember the login details? Or is this only a concern for career youtubers? viewmaster_pi posted... this, i think. i mean they can't sue everyone, right? ...r-right? @Bluharvest @viewmaster_pi This is for ANY video on Youtube (doesn't matter if it's from a career Youtuber or someone who casually uploaded a video years ago). Earlier in the topic there were some wondering about this same thing... and for good reason. If someone who casually uses Youtube and has one video of a school play with their kids in it that they uploaded 10 years ago and they have forgotten their password to that old Youtube account, how the flying fuck are they going to be able to check off if the video is for kids or adults!?!? Well.... the FTC does NOT give two fucks and will fine anyone (it can be a career Youtuber or even someone who just casually uploads stuff). They will fine ANYONE they find in violation (the fact that the FTC guy at the conference said that it's going to be like shooting fish in a barrel and that Youtube is the barrel and the Youtubers are the fish (yes, these are almost his exact words) and he stated that anyone with a video in violation will be SUED (it sounds like they will drag their victims into court, which is NOT fun if one can't afford a lawyer, and THEN hit them with a fine up to $42,000. The FTC has TONS of lawyers with free time on their hands) is something that is causing A LOT of people to worry. I know some people are saying that the FTC guy is just saying all of that to scare people and won't do shit, but I'm pretty damn certain he's VERY serious and the FTC will be handing out fines, especially since they also announced that the FTC will be doing periodic sweeps on Youtube to find violators so they can fine them (it's a big cash grab when you think about it. They can make A LOT of money off of this. they already got $170 million from Youtube). The "good" news is that Youtube is currently setting up a special type of machine learning that will check off whether or not a video is a kids video or an adult video if the content creator doesn't check it off. The bad news is that it currently sucks ass and it also doesn't matter what Youtube thinks, the final decision is up to the FTC. I don't think the machine learning is good news in that it's flawed. Even if a video is obviously kid friendly like opening packages of toys (Barbie dolls for example) the learning machine will probable label it something different or worse because of the bullshit COPPA guidelines (bright colors or whatnot). --- 4/21/2016: R.I.P. Prince and Chyna 6/18/2018: R.I.P. Aretha Franklin <cite>Phoenixeater posted [p:930634983] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>Oliver_Oliver posted...</cite> <quote>Bluharvest posted... </cite> <quote>What if you have random stuff on your youtibe channnel from a decade ago and don't remember the login details? Or is this only a concern for career youtubers?</quote> viewmaster_pi posted... </cite> <quote>this, i think. i mean they can't sue everyone, right? ...r-right?</quote> @Bluharvest @viewmaster_pi This is for ANY video on Youtube (doesn't matter if it's from a career Youtuber or someone who casually uploaded a video years ago). Earlier in the topic there were some wondering about this same thing... and for good reason. If someone who casually uses Youtube and has one video of a school play with their kids in it that they uploaded 10 years ago and they have forgotten their password to that old Youtube account, how the flying fuck are they going to be able to check off if the video is for kids or adults!?!? Well.... the FTC does NOT give two fucks and will fine anyone (it can be a career Youtuber or even someone who just casually uploads stuff). They will fine ANYONE they find in violation (the fact that the FTC guy at the conference said that it's going to be like shooting fish in a barrel and that Youtube is the barrel and the Youtubers are the fish (yes, these are almost his exact words) and he stated that anyone with a video in violation will be SUED (it sounds like they will drag their victims into court, which is NOT fun if one can't afford a lawyer, and THEN hit them with a fine up to $42,000. The FTC has TONS of lawyers with free time on their hands) is something that is causing A LOT of people to worry. I know some people are saying that the FTC guy is just saying all of that to scare people and won't do shit, but I'm pretty damn certain he's VERY serious and the FTC will be handing out fines, especially since they also announced that the FTC will be doing periodic sweeps on Youtube to find violators so they can fine them (it's a big cash grab when you think about it. They can make A LOT of money off of this. they already got $170 million from Youtube). The "good" news is that Youtube is currently setting up a special type of machine learning that will check off whether or not a video is a kids video or an adult video if the content creator doesn't check it off. The bad news is that it currently sucks ass and it also doesn't matter what Youtube thinks, the final decision is up to the FTC. </quote> I don't think the machine learning is good news in that it's flawed. Even if a video is obviously kid friendly like opening packages of toys (Barbie dolls for example) the learning machine will probable label it something different or worse because of the bullshit COPPA guidelines (bright colors or whatnot).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/24/19 4:21:49 PM #224:	Phoenixeater posted... I don't think the machine learning is good news in that it's flawed. Even if a video is obviously kid friendly like opening packages of toys (Barbie dolls for example) the learning machine will probable label it something different or worse because of the bullshit COPPA guidelines (bright colors or whatnot). I don't think he actually thinks it's good, since he put it in quotes and also stated how it still sucks ass. But it's probably better than nothing. As in, it will label some videos that people might not be able to get to and stuff like that. Either way, the whole thing sucks... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930635723] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>Phoenixeater posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think the machine learning is good news in that it's flawed. Even if a video is obviously kid friendly like opening packages of toys (Barbie dolls for example) the learning machine will probable label it something different or worse because of the bullshit COPPA guidelines (bright colors or whatnot).</quote> I don't think he actually thinks it's good, since he put it in quotes and also stated how it still sucks ass. But it's probably better than nothing. As in, it will label some videos that people might not be able to get to and stuff like that. Either way, the whole thing sucks...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phoenixeater 11/24/19 4:26:02 PM #225:	LinkPizza posted... Phoenixeater posted... I don't think the machine learning is good news in that it's flawed. Even if a video is obviously kid friendly like opening packages of toys (Barbie dolls for example) the learning machine will probable label it something different or worse because of the bullshit COPPA guidelines (bright colors or whatnot). I don't think he actually thinks it's good, since he put it in quotes and also stated how it still sucks ass. But it's probably better than nothing. As in, it will label some videos that people might not be able to get to and stuff like that. Either way, the whole thing sucks... Well better hope some people in Congress or the Senate wise up and start fighting against the FTC. --- 4/21/2016: R.I.P. Prince and Chyna 6/18/2018: R.I.P. Aretha Franklin <cite>Phoenixeater posted [p:930635948] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Phoenixeater posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think the machine learning is good news in that it's flawed. Even if a video is obviously kid friendly like opening packages of toys (Barbie dolls for example) the learning machine will probable label it something different or worse because of the bullshit COPPA guidelines (bright colors or whatnot).</quote> I don't think he actually thinks it's good, since he put it in quotes and also stated how it still sucks ass. But it's probably better than nothing. As in, it will label some videos that people might not be able to get to and stuff like that. Either way, the whole thing sucks...</quote> Well better hope some people in Congress or the Senate wise up and start fighting against the FTC.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
user78 11/24/19 5:27:24 PM #226:	Phoenixeater posted... LinkPizza posted... Phoenixeater posted... I don't think the machine learning is good news in that it's flawed. Even if a video is obviously kid friendly like opening packages of toys (Barbie dolls for example) the learning machine will probable label it something different or worse because of the bullshit COPPA guidelines (bright colors or whatnot). I don't think he actually thinks it's good, since he put it in quotes and also stated how it still sucks ass. But it's probably better than nothing. As in, it will label some videos that people might not be able to get to and stuff like that. Either way, the whole thing sucks... Well better hope some people in Congress or the Senate wise up and start fighting against the FTC. They have had 19 years to fight it, why start now? <cite>user78 posted [p:930638684] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>Phoenixeater posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Phoenixeater posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think the machine learning is good news in that it's flawed. Even if a video is obviously kid friendly like opening packages of toys (Barbie dolls for example) the learning machine will probable label it something different or worse because of the bullshit COPPA guidelines (bright colors or whatnot).</quote> I don't think he actually thinks it's good, since he put it in quotes and also stated how it still sucks ass. But it's probably better than nothing. As in, it will label some videos that people might not be able to get to and stuff like that. Either way, the whole thing sucks...</quote> Well better hope some people in Congress or the Senate wise up and start fighting against the FTC.</quote> They have had 19 years to fight it, why start now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/24/19 5:37:52 PM #227:	user78 posted... Phoenixeater posted... LinkPizza posted... Phoenixeater posted... I don't think the machine learning is good news in that it's flawed. Even if a video is obviously kid friendly like opening packages of toys (Barbie dolls for example) the learning machine will probable label it something different or worse because of the bullshit COPPA guidelines (bright colors or whatnot). I don't think he actually thinks it's good, since he put it in quotes and also stated how it still sucks ass. But it's probably better than nothing. As in, it will label some videos that people might not be able to get to and stuff like that. Either way, the whole thing sucks... Well better hope some people in Congress or the Senate wise up and start fighting against the FTC. They have had 19 years to fight it, why start now? Because the FTC hasnt done something insane like this before. So, now would be the time to fight it. Before, it was just in place to protect children, but didnt really take any action against most things. So, there wasnt really anything to fight... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930639225] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>user78 posted...</cite> <quote>Phoenixeater posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Phoenixeater posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think the machine learning is good news in that it's flawed. Even if a video is obviously kid friendly like opening packages of toys (Barbie dolls for example) the learning machine will probable label it something different or worse because of the bullshit COPPA guidelines (bright colors or whatnot).</quote> I don't think he actually thinks it's good, since he put it in quotes and also stated how it still sucks ass. But it's probably better than nothing. As in, it will label some videos that people might not be able to get to and stuff like that. Either way, the whole thing sucks...</quote> Well better hope some people in Congress or the Senate wise up and start fighting against the FTC.</quote> They have had 19 years to fight it, why start now?</quote> Because the FTC hasnt done something insane like this before. So, now would be the time to fight it. Before, it was just in place to protect children, but didnt really take any action against most things. So, there wasnt really anything to fight...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/24/19 5:49:18 PM #228:	So, depending on who you consider big, I've been seeing a few more COPPA videos. One from Matpat on Game Theory and another from Treesicle. And while people may not like either of them, I think they're both big. I haven't watched them yet, though I saw the beginning of MatPat. And he seems worried, as well... Though, part of that is because he live streams, and if very family friendly. Which also sucks since he and his wife have a very young child, and this is like a real job to them. They live stream almost every weekday, so... I just put this because some people were wondering about the bigger youtubers... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930639811] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>So, depending on who you consider big, I've been seeing a few more COPPA videos. One from Matpat on Game Theory and another from Treesicle. And while people may not like either of them, I think they're both big. I haven't watched them yet, though I saw the beginning of MatPat. And he seems worried, as well... Though, part of that is because he live streams, and if very family friendly. Which also sucks since he and his wife have a very young child, and this is like a real job to them. They live stream almost every weekday, so... I just put this because some people were wondering about the bigger youtubers...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tsukasa1891 11/24/19 6:40:22 PM #229:	Mr_Karate_II posted... Aren't videogames copyright protected anyway? Yes, but most companies learned by now not to copy right strike lets plays because it's free advertisement. <cite>Tsukasa1891 posted [p:930642209] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>Mr_Karate_II posted...</cite> <quote>Aren't videogames copyright protected anyway? </quote> Yes, but most companies learned by now not to copy right strike lets plays because it's free advertisement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/24/19 7:00:02 PM #230:	Tsukasa1891 posted... Mr_Karate_II posted... Aren't videogames copyright protected anyway? Yes, but most companies learned by now not to copy right strike lets plays because it's free advertisement. Yeah. Not to mention, if one company does it, but other companies don't, more people will gravitate to the companies that don't and praise them, while giving negative statements about the other one... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930643202] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>Tsukasa1891 posted...</cite> <quote>Mr_Karate_II posted...</cite> <quote>Aren't videogames copyright protected anyway? </quote> Yes, but most companies learned by now not to copy right strike lets plays because it's free advertisement.</quote> Yeah. Not to mention, if one company does it, but other companies don't, more people will gravitate to the companies that don't and praise them, while giving negative statements about the other one...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oliver_Oliver 11/25/19 2:01:06 AM #231:	LinkPizza posted... So, depending on who you consider big, I've been seeing a few more COPPA videos. One from Matpat on Game Theory and another from Treesicle. And while people may not like either of them, I think they're both big. I haven't watched them yet, though I saw the beginning of MatPat. And he seems worried, as well... Though, part of that is because he live streams, and if very family friendly. Which also sucks since he and his wife have a very young child, and this is like a real job to them. They live stream almost every weekday, so... I just put this because some people were wondering about the bigger youtubers... This isn't looking good. Now some of the bigger Pro Wrestling channels are starting to make COPPA / FTC videos stating that they may be in legit serious trouble when January starts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFOBiJJ4PUE In the video game community, Cleanpricegaming (who in REAL life is studying to be a lawyer) made a COPPA / FTC video and he is stating that gaming channels can be is some serious trouble (especially if they have made videos covering stuff like most Nintendo franchises, Star Wars (rated T), Fortnite (rated T), and SEVERAL other games. This is a guy who is literally in LAW SCHOOL who has access to LAW PROFESSORS and even he is seeing that things are NOT looking good at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOv6kD1ez1A --- Confidence? It's nothing but an illusion. <cite>Oliver_Oliver posted [p:930662403] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>So, depending on who you consider big, I've been seeing a few more COPPA videos. One from Matpat on Game Theory and another from Treesicle. And while people may not like either of them, I think they're both big. I haven't watched them yet, though I saw the beginning of MatPat. And he seems worried, as well... Though, part of that is because he live streams, and if very family friendly. Which also sucks since he and his wife have a very young child, and this is like a real job to them. They live stream almost every weekday, so... I just put this because some people were wondering about the bigger youtubers...</quote> This isn't looking good. Now some of the bigger Pro Wrestling channels are starting to make COPPA / FTC videos stating that they may be in legit serious trouble when January starts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFOBiJJ4PUE In the video game community, Cleanpricegaming (who in REAL life is studying to be a lawyer) made a COPPA / FTC video and he is stating that gaming channels can be is some serious trouble (especially if they have made videos covering stuff like most Nintendo franchises, Star Wars (rated T), Fortnite (rated T), and SEVERAL other games. This is a guy who is literally in LAW SCHOOL who has access to LAW PROFESSORS and even he is seeing that things are NOT looking good at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOv6kD1ez1A </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 11/25/19 8:48:57 AM #232:	LinkPizza posted... Yeah. Not to mention, if one company does it, but other companies don't, more people will gravitate to the companies that don't and praise them, while giving negative statements about the other one... Although in the end, this doesn't matter. People whine on the Internet but in reality they can't live without purchasing 99 copies of SHOOTY SHOOTYERFACE MODERN BANGBANG LOL NOOBPWN 71 on launch day. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:930669709] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah. Not to mention, if one company does it, but other companies don't, more people will gravitate to the companies that don't and praise them, while giving negative statements about the other one...</quote>Although in the end, this doesn't matter. People whine on the Internet but in reality they can't live without purchasing 99 copies of SHOOTY SHOOTYERFACE MODERN BANGBANG LOL NOOBPWN 71 on launch day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Srk700 11/25/19 8:58:53 AM #233:	LinkPizza posted... So, depending on who you consider big, I've been seeing a few more COPPA videos. One from Matpat on Game Theory and another from Treesicle. And while people may not like either of them, I think they're both big. I haven't watched them yet, though I saw the beginning of MatPat. And he seems worried, as well... Though, part of that is because he live streams, and if very family friendly. Which also sucks since he and his wife have a very young child, and this is like a real job to them. They live stream almost every weekday, so... I just put this because some people were wondering about the bigger youtubers... Pewdiepie also has a video on it, though people probably missed it since the title of the video + the thumbnail of it didn't allude to it. Edit: Actually it did have the FTC guy in the thumbnail. https://youtube.com/icdDPuiNwGE <cite>Srk700 posted [p:930669956] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>So, depending on who you consider big, I've been seeing a few more COPPA videos. One from Matpat on Game Theory and another from Treesicle. And while people may not like either of them, I think they're both big. I haven't watched them yet, though I saw the beginning of MatPat. And he seems worried, as well... Though, part of that is because he live streams, and if very family friendly. Which also sucks since he and his wife have a very young child, and this is like a real job to them. They live stream almost every weekday, so... I just put this because some people were wondering about the bigger youtubers...</quote> Pewdiepie also has a video on it, though people probably missed it since the title of the video + the thumbnail of it didn't allude to it. Edit: Actually it did have the FTC guy in the thumbnail. https://youtube.com/icdDPuiNwGE </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/25/19 9:15:04 AM #234:	DevsBro posted... LinkPizza posted... Yeah. Not to mention, if one company does it, but other companies don't, more people will gravitate to the companies that don't and praise them, while giving negative statements about the other one... Although in the end, this doesn't matter. People whine on the Internet but in reality they can't live without purchasing 99 copies of SHOOTY SHOOTYERFACE MODERN BANGBANG LOL NOOBPWN 71 on launch day. True. People will complain about every aspect of a game. And then still go for the midnight release. Or at the very least, will still get it first day... Srk700 posted... LinkPizza posted... So, depending on who you consider big, I've been seeing a few more COPPA videos. One from Matpat on Game Theory and another from Treesicle. And while people may not like either of them, I think they're both big. I haven't watched them yet, though I saw the beginning of MatPat. And he seems worried, as well... Though, part of that is because he live streams, and if very family friendly. Which also sucks since he and his wife have a very young child, and this is like a real job to them. They live stream almost every weekday, so... I just put this because some people were wondering about the bigger youtubers... Pewdiepie also has a video on it, though people probably missed it since the title of the video + the thumbnail of it didn't allude to it. Edit: Actually it did have the FTC guy in the thumbnail. Video is called "Morgz is Cancelled" and was released a few days ago. Yeah. So it seems the big youtubers were just waiting for a little. Maybe talking to lawyers, reading the rules/laws, and watching some of the other videos... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930670424] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah. Not to mention, if one company does it, but other companies don't, more people will gravitate to the companies that don't and praise them, while giving negative statements about the other one...</quote>Although in the end, this doesn't matter. People whine on the Internet but in reality they can't live without purchasing 99 copies of SHOOTY SHOOTYERFACE MODERN BANGBANG LOL NOOBPWN 71 on launch day.</quote> True. People will complain about every aspect of a game. And then still go for the midnight release. Or at the very least, will still get it first day... Srk700 posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>So, depending on who you consider big, I've been seeing a few more COPPA videos. One from Matpat on Game Theory and another from Treesicle. And while people may not like either of them, I think they're both big. I haven't watched them yet, though I saw the beginning of MatPat. And he seems worried, as well... Though, part of that is because he live streams, and if very family friendly. Which also sucks since he and his wife have a very young child, and this is like a real job to them. They live stream almost every weekday, so... I just put this because some people were wondering about the bigger youtubers...</quote> Pewdiepie also has a video on it, though people probably missed it since the title of the video + the thumbnail of it didn't allude to it. Edit: Actually it did have the FTC guy in the thumbnail. Video is called "Morgz is Cancelled" and was released a few days ago. </quote> Yeah. So it seems the big youtubers were just waiting for a little. Maybe talking to lawyers, reading the rules/laws, and watching some of the other videos...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zzeennoolloo 11/25/19 5:35:52 PM #235:	Srk700 posted... Morgz is Cancelled I just saw that Pewdiepie video (which I'll post below). While Pewdiepie starts off the video rather silly and annoying, he does hit some VERY critical and very serious points later in the video (which 100% guarantees that the FTC is going to start their first wave / sweep of fining people $42,000 per video): 1) Big Youtuber Jake Paul is shown in actual video footage taken months ago that his audience is 8 years old to 16 years old (this is said and shown at the 6 minute and 40 second time mark in the video below). Jake Paul is now fucked. Because of that footage, he has to either mark all his videos for kids (which will destroy 90% of his ad revenue and will bury his videos as they no longer appear in the search results... these are the consequences of marking ones videos as "for kids") or he is going to get slapped to one hell of a lawsuit from the FTC, dragged into court where FTC lawyers will use that footage against him, and then fine him $42,000 per video. I am NOT a fan of Jake Paul at all (I don't like the guy), but I do NOT want to see the FTC do this to him or anyone else since that's going to open "Pandora's box" and the FTC is going to use Jake Paul as their first victim to justify going after MORE and MORE Youtubers for those $42,000 fines. Jake Paul is one of the top Youtubers and then they will work themselves down to the lower Youtubers, even casual Youtube accounts of people who may have uploaded one or two videos 10 years ago and can't even remember their log in info. In other words: A LOT of fucked up shit is going to occur (leading to the death of Youtube and the near death of video sharing of any kind in regards to most video game footage videos, some music videos, some old TV shows (especially if animated), etc, etc). 2) In the video, Pewdiepie is astonished at the footage of the FTC guy stating they he will be SUING individual content creators and stated that he finds it insane that he has to go through 5,000 of his own videos and mark them all? Well, whatever he decides to mark them as, he better mark them as something because since he's one of the top Youtubers, the FTC is going to also be trying to drag his ass to court as well if given the chance. 3) In the video below, there is footage of Pixel Dan (who is a big toy collector Youtuber who mostly has videos for ADULT toy collectors) getting flagged by Youtube's machine learning and many of his videos meant for ADULT toy collectors getting marked as "for KIDS by the Youtube machine learning. This is horrific since the machine learning cannot tell the difference between what is for adults and what is for kids very well at all, which can leave a LOT of Youtubers (even small casual Youtube users who might upload gaming clips) wide open to be victims of the FTC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icdDPuiNwGE --- Creator of the most talked about 500 post topic on the Wii U board, the most populated board on Gamefaqs. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/631516-wii-u/72708411 <cite>zzeennoolloo posted [p:930690913] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>Srk700 posted...</cite> <quote>Morgz is Cancelled</quote> I just saw that Pewdiepie video (which I'll post below). While Pewdiepie starts off the video rather silly and annoying, he does hit some VERY critical and very serious points later in the video (which 100% guarantees that the FTC is going to start their first wave / sweep of fining people $42,000 per video): 1) Big Youtuber Jake Paul is shown in actual video footage taken months ago that his audience is 8 years old to 16 years old (this is said and shown at the 6 minute and 40 second time mark in the video below). Jake Paul is now fucked. Because of that footage, he has to either mark all his videos for kids (which will destroy 90% of his ad revenue and will bury his videos as they no longer appear in the search results... these are the consequences of marking ones videos as "for kids") or he is going to get slapped to one hell of a lawsuit from the FTC, dragged into court where FTC lawyers will use that footage against him, and then fine him $42,000 per video. I am NOT a fan of Jake Paul at all (I don't like the guy), but I do NOT want to see the FTC do this to him or anyone else since that's going to open "Pandora's box" and the FTC is going to use Jake Paul as their first victim to justify going after MORE and MORE Youtubers for those $42,000 fines. Jake Paul is one of the top Youtubers and then they will work themselves down to the lower Youtubers, even casual Youtube accounts of people who may have uploaded one or two videos 10 years ago and can't even remember their log in info. In other words: A LOT of fucked up shit is going to occur (leading to the death of Youtube and the near death of video sharing of any kind in regards to most video game footage videos, some music videos, some old TV shows (especially if animated), etc, etc). 2) In the video, Pewdiepie is astonished at the footage of the FTC guy stating they he will be SUING individual content creators and stated that he finds it insane that he has to go through 5,000 of his own videos and mark them all? Well, whatever he decides to mark them as, he better mark them as something because since he's one of the top Youtubers, the FTC is going to also be trying to drag his ass to court as well if given the chance. 3) In the video below, there is footage of Pixel Dan (who is a big toy collector Youtuber who mostly has videos for ADULT toy collectors) getting flagged by Youtube's machine learning and many of his videos meant for ADULT toy collectors getting marked as "for KIDS by the Youtube machine learning. This is horrific since the machine learning cannot tell the difference between what is for adults and what is for kids very well at all, which can leave a LOT of Youtubers (even small casual Youtube users who might upload gaming clips) wide open to be victims of the FTC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icdDPuiNwGE</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PatrickMahomes 11/25/19 5:39:21 PM #236:	net neutrality 2.0 --- My knee feels better <cite>PatrickMahomes posted [p:930691081] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>net neutrality 2.0</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bat178 11/25/19 8:13:17 PM #237:	zzeennoolloo posted... Srk700 posted... Morgz is Cancelled I just saw that Pewdiepie video (which I'll post below). While Pewdiepie starts off the video rather silly and annoying, he does hit some VERY critical and very serious points later in the video (which 100% guarantees that the FTC is going to start their first wave / sweep of fining people $42,000 per video): 1) Big Youtuber Jake Paul is shown in actual video footage taken months ago that his audience is 8 years old to 16 years old (this is said and shown at the 6 minute and 40 second time mark in the video below). Jake Paul is now fucked. Because of that footage, he has to either mark all his videos for kids (which will destroy 90% of his ad revenue and will bury his videos as they no longer appear in the search results... these are the consequences of marking ones videos as "for kids") or he is going to get slapped to one hell of a lawsuit from the FTC, dragged into court where FTC lawyers will use that footage against him, and then fine him $42,000 per video. I am NOT a fan of Jake Paul at all (I don't like the guy), but I do NOT want to see the FTC do this to him or anyone else since that's going to open "Pandora's box" and the FTC is going to use Jake Paul as their first victim to justify going after MORE and MORE Youtubers for those $42,000 fines. Jake Paul is one of the top Youtubers and then they will work themselves down to the lower Youtubers, even casual Youtube accounts of people who may have uploaded one or two videos 10 years ago and can't even remember their log in info. In other words: A LOT of fucked up shit is going to occur (leading to the death of Youtube and the near death of video sharing of any kind in regards to most video game footage videos, some music videos, some old TV shows (especially if animated), etc, etc). 2) In the video, Pewdiepie is astonished at the footage of the FTC guy stating they he will be SUING individual content creators and stated that he finds it insane that he has to go through 5,000 of his own videos and mark them all? Well, whatever he decides to mark them as, he better mark them as something because since he's one of the top Youtubers, the FTC is going to also be trying to drag his ass to court as well if given the chance. 3) In the video below, there is footage of Pixel Dan (who is a big toy collector Youtuber who mostly has videos for ADULT toy collectors) getting flagged by Youtube's machine learning and many of his videos meant for ADULT toy collectors getting marked as "for KIDS by the Youtube machine learning. This is horrific since the machine learning cannot tell the difference between what is for adults and what is for kids very well at all, which can leave a LOT of Youtubers (even small casual Youtube users who might upload gaming clips) wide open to be victims of the FTC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icdDPuiNwGE They can't drag Pewdiepie's ass to court since he's in Europe, outside of the FTC's jurisdiction. They would probably try to get his account removed, though. --- Good. Still, doesn't change the fact Brunei and Singapore need to be annexed by Dr.M. - Wazzupguys <cite>Bat178 posted [p:930698339] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>zzeennoolloo posted...</cite> <quote>Srk700 posted...</cite> <quote>Morgz is Cancelled</quote> I just saw that Pewdiepie video (which I'll post below). While Pewdiepie starts off the video rather silly and annoying, he does hit some VERY critical and very serious points later in the video (which 100% guarantees that the FTC is going to start their first wave / sweep of fining people $42,000 per video): 1) Big Youtuber Jake Paul is shown in actual video footage taken months ago that his audience is 8 years old to 16 years old (this is said and shown at the 6 minute and 40 second time mark in the video below). Jake Paul is now fucked. Because of that footage, he has to either mark all his videos for kids (which will destroy 90% of his ad revenue and will bury his videos as they no longer appear in the search results... these are the consequences of marking ones videos as "for kids") or he is going to get slapped to one hell of a lawsuit from the FTC, dragged into court where FTC lawyers will use that footage against him, and then fine him $42,000 per video. I am NOT a fan of Jake Paul at all (I don't like the guy), but I do NOT want to see the FTC do this to him or anyone else since that's going to open "Pandora's box" and the FTC is going to use Jake Paul as their first victim to justify going after MORE and MORE Youtubers for those $42,000 fines. Jake Paul is one of the top Youtubers and then they will work themselves down to the lower Youtubers, even casual Youtube accounts of people who may have uploaded one or two videos 10 years ago and can't even remember their log in info. In other words: A LOT of fucked up shit is going to occur (leading to the death of Youtube and the near death of video sharing of any kind in regards to most video game footage videos, some music videos, some old TV shows (especially if animated), etc, etc). 2) In the video, Pewdiepie is astonished at the footage of the FTC guy stating they he will be SUING individual content creators and stated that he finds it insane that he has to go through 5,000 of his own videos and mark them all? Well, whatever he decides to mark them as, he better mark them as something because since he's one of the top Youtubers, the FTC is going to also be trying to drag his ass to court as well if given the chance. 3) In the video below, there is footage of Pixel Dan (who is a big toy collector Youtuber who mostly has videos for ADULT toy collectors) getting flagged by Youtube's machine learning and many of his videos meant for ADULT toy collectors getting marked as "for KIDS by the Youtube machine learning. This is horrific since the machine learning cannot tell the difference between what is for adults and what is for kids very well at all, which can leave a LOT of Youtubers (even small casual Youtube users who might upload gaming clips) wide open to be victims of the FTC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icdDPuiNwGE</quote> They can't drag Pewdiepie's ass to court since he's in Europe, outside of the FTC's jurisdiction. They would probably try to get his account removed, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 11/25/19 8:37:51 PM #238:	Hope they sue DSP --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:930699553] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>Hope they sue DSP </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bluharvest 11/26/19 12:13:44 PM #239:	What's the point of making kid videos not be searchable? Doesn't that just make the video useless --- http://gamefaqs.com/916401/b/- \|Come on down for drinks and good company\| <cite>Bluharvest posted [p:930727012] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>What's the point of making kid videos not be searchable? Doesn't that just make the video useless</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/26/19 1:13:39 PM #240:	Bluharvest posted... What's the point of making kid videos not be searchable? Doesn't that just make the video useless Yeah. Basically. Unless you know the channel and stuff. I dont know why they would do that. Maybe its because kids arent really suppose to be on it, I guess... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930729549] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>Bluharvest posted...</cite> <quote>What's the point of making kid videos not be searchable? Doesn't that just make the video useless</quote> Yeah. Basically. Unless you know the channel and stuff. I dont know why they would do that. Maybe its because kids arent really suppose to be on it, I guess...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zzeennoolloo 11/26/19 1:25:47 PM #241:	Bluharvest posted... What's the point of making kid videos not be searchable? Doesn't that just make the video useless The whole thing sounds stupid. You mark your videos for kids once January (or sometime in early 2020) starts, they will no longer be searchable, will have no comments, will have no notifications, will not be in the recommended / suggested column on the right side of the page, and will make 90% less revenue (so if they were, for example, making $100 on each video, now they are only making $10). In other words, if anyone makes kids content on Youtube, they are fucked. The existing Youtube channels aimed at kids on Youtube will have to strongly rely on people already subscribed to them who check their channels everyday without needing notifications to remind them to check their channels. In other words, there will be NO growth in their audience (if anything, it will just continue to go down drastically over time) and given how there is barely any revenue coming in (which is disastrous for channels with high production value, like Cocomelon and others) the vast majority are going to not be able to continue. The whole thing is STUPID and makes no damn sense!!!! We are basically having a repeat of what happened many many years ago with Saturday morning cartoons, Sunday morning cartoons, and weekday afternoon cartoons when the government came in with a shit load of requirements (like the "E/I" demands) upon NON-cable networks like Fox, ABC, CW, NBC, CBS, local syndicated networks, etc, etc. They are basically MURDERING kids programs on Youtube (and pretty much from the mainstream part of the internet that offers free content you don't need a monthly subscription for). To make matters worse, videos which aren't even meant for kids (ONE example of many: a "rated T for Teen" Star Wars video game, Jedi: Fallen Order) are being lumped in with the kids videos. --- Creator of the most talked about 500 post topic on the Wii U board, the most populated board on Gamefaqs. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/631516-wii-u/72708411 <cite>zzeennoolloo posted [p:930730050] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>Bluharvest posted...</cite> <quote>What's the point of making kid videos not be searchable? Doesn't that just make the video useless</quote> The whole thing sounds stupid. You mark your videos for kids once January (or sometime in early 2020) starts, they will no longer be searchable, will have no comments, will have no notifications, will not be in the recommended / suggested column on the right side of the page, and will make 90% less revenue (so if they were, for example, making $100 on each video, now they are only making $10). In other words, if anyone makes kids content on Youtube, they are fucked. The existing Youtube channels aimed at kids on Youtube will have to strongly rely on people already subscribed to them who check their channels everyday without needing notifications to remind them to check their channels. In other words, there will be NO growth in their audience (if anything, it will just continue to go down drastically over time) and given how there is barely any revenue coming in (which is disastrous for channels with high production value, like Cocomelon and others) the vast majority are going to not be able to continue. The whole thing is STUPID and makes no damn sense!!!! We are basically having a repeat of what happened many many years ago with Saturday morning cartoons, Sunday morning cartoons, and weekday afternoon cartoons when the government came in with a shit load of requirements (like the "E/I" demands) upon NON-cable networks like Fox, ABC, CW, NBC, CBS, local syndicated networks, etc, etc. They are basically MURDERING kids programs on Youtube (and pretty much from the mainstream part of the internet that offers free content you don't need a monthly subscription for). To make matters worse, videos which aren't even meant for kids (ONE example of many: a "rated T for Teen" Star Wars video game, Jedi: Fallen Order) are being lumped in with the kids videos.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 11/26/19 4:40:41 PM #242:	They are not allowed to put ads on clips for kids, so by making it harder to find them, people will watch other clips where they can put ads. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:930738623] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>They are not allowed to put ads on clips for kids, so by making it harder to find them, people will watch other clips where they can put ads. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 11/26/19 4:55:17 PM #243:	zzeennoolloo posted... In other words, if anyone makes kids content on Youtube, they are fucked. The existing Youtube channels aimed at kids on Youtube will have to strongly rely on people already subscribed to them who check their channels everyday without needing notifications to remind them to check their channels. In other words, there will be NO growth in their audience (if anything, it will just continue to go down drastically over time) and given how there is barely any revenue coming in (which is disastrous for channels with high production value, like Cocomelon and others) the vast majority are going to not be able to continue. Technically isn't there a youtube kids section that they should be posting their content in? --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:930739269] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>zzeennoolloo posted...</cite> <quote>In other words, if anyone makes kids content on Youtube, they are fucked. The existing Youtube channels aimed at kids on Youtube will have to strongly rely on people already subscribed to them who check their channels everyday without needing notifications to remind them to check their channels. In other words, there will be NO growth in their audience (if anything, it will just continue to go down drastically over time) and given how there is barely any revenue coming in (which is disastrous for channels with high production value, like Cocomelon and others) the vast majority are going to not be able to continue.</quote> Technically isn't there a youtube kids section that they should be posting their content in?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/26/19 4:56:58 PM #244:	LightHawKnight posted... zzeennoolloo posted... In other words, if anyone makes kids content on Youtube, they are fucked. The existing Youtube channels aimed at kids on Youtube will have to strongly rely on people already subscribed to them who check their channels everyday without needing notifications to remind them to check their channels. In other words, there will be NO growth in their audience (if anything, it will just continue to go down drastically over time) and given how there is barely any revenue coming in (which is disastrous for channels with high production value, like Cocomelon and others) the vast majority are going to not be able to continue. Technically isn't there a youtube kids section that they should be posting their content in? I think they have an app. If kids would have just use that, then this wouldnt be a problem... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930739345] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>zzeennoolloo posted...</cite> <quote>In other words, if anyone makes kids content on Youtube, they are fucked. The existing Youtube channels aimed at kids on Youtube will have to strongly rely on people already subscribed to them who check their channels everyday without needing notifications to remind them to check their channels. In other words, there will be NO growth in their audience (if anything, it will just continue to go down drastically over time) and given how there is barely any revenue coming in (which is disastrous for channels with high production value, like Cocomelon and others) the vast majority are going to not be able to continue.</quote> Technically isn't there a youtube kids section that they should be posting their content in?</quote> I think they have an app. If kids would have just use that, then this wouldnt be a problem...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 11/26/19 5:17:04 PM #245:	LinkPizza posted... LightHawKnight posted... zzeennoolloo posted... In other words, if anyone makes kids content on Youtube, they are fucked. The existing Youtube channels aimed at kids on Youtube will have to strongly rely on people already subscribed to them who check their channels everyday without needing notifications to remind them to check their channels. In other words, there will be NO growth in their audience (if anything, it will just continue to go down drastically over time) and given how there is barely any revenue coming in (which is disastrous for channels with high production value, like Cocomelon and others) the vast majority are going to not be able to continue. Technically isn't there a youtube kids section that they should be posting their content in? I think they have an app. If kids would have just use that, then this wouldnt be a problem... I mean if Youtube didn't fuck up and literally admit they were targeting ads towards kids, then this wouldn't be a problem to begin with. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:930740291] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>zzeennoolloo posted...</cite> <quote>In other words, if anyone makes kids content on Youtube, they are fucked. The existing Youtube channels aimed at kids on Youtube will have to strongly rely on people already subscribed to them who check their channels everyday without needing notifications to remind them to check their channels. In other words, there will be NO growth in their audience (if anything, it will just continue to go down drastically over time) and given how there is barely any revenue coming in (which is disastrous for channels with high production value, like Cocomelon and others) the vast majority are going to not be able to continue.</quote> Technically isn't there a youtube kids section that they should be posting their content in?</quote> I think they have an app. If kids would have just use that, then this wouldnt be a problem...</quote> I mean if Youtube didn't fuck up and literally admit they were targeting ads towards kids, then this wouldn't be a problem to begin with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/26/19 6:26:38 PM #246:	LightHawKnight posted... LinkPizza posted... LightHawKnight posted... zzeennoolloo posted... In other words, if anyone makes kids content on Youtube, they are fucked. The existing Youtube channels aimed at kids on Youtube will have to strongly rely on people already subscribed to them who check their channels everyday without needing notifications to remind them to check their channels. In other words, there will be NO growth in their audience (if anything, it will just continue to go down drastically over time) and given how there is barely any revenue coming in (which is disastrous for channels with high production value, like Cocomelon and others) the vast majority are going to not be able to continue. Technically isn't there a youtube kids section that they should be posting their content in? I think they have an app. If kids would have just use that, then this wouldnt be a problem... I mean if Youtube didn't fuck up and literally admit they were targeting ads towards kids, then this wouldn't be a problem to begin with. True... maybe... Eventually, some parents might have said something, though... There are many Karens out there... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930743273] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>zzeennoolloo posted...</cite> <quote>In other words, if anyone makes kids content on Youtube, they are fucked. The existing Youtube channels aimed at kids on Youtube will have to strongly rely on people already subscribed to them who check their channels everyday without needing notifications to remind them to check their channels. In other words, there will be NO growth in their audience (if anything, it will just continue to go down drastically over time) and given how there is barely any revenue coming in (which is disastrous for channels with high production value, like Cocomelon and others) the vast majority are going to not be able to continue.</quote> Technically isn't there a youtube kids section that they should be posting their content in?</quote> I think they have an app. If kids would have just use that, then this wouldnt be a problem...</quote> I mean if Youtube didn't fuck up and literally admit they were targeting ads towards kids, then this wouldn't be a problem to begin with.</quote> True... maybe... Eventually, some parents might have said something, though... There are many Karens out there...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 11/27/19 10:29:24 AM #247:	LightHawKnight posted... I mean if Youtube didn't fuck up and literally admit they were targeting ads towards kids, then this wouldn't be a problem to begin with. uh the problem isn't that they admitted it, it's that they were doing it in the first place --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:930772860] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>I mean if Youtube didn't fuck up and literally admit they were targeting ads towards kids, then this wouldn't be a problem to begin with. </quote> uh the problem isn't that they admitted it, it's that they were doing it in the first place</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/27/19 10:33:44 AM #248:	kirbymuncher posted... LightHawKnight posted... I mean if Youtube didn't fuck up and literally admit they were targeting ads towards kids, then this wouldn't be a problem to begin with. uh the problem isn't that they admitted it, it's that they were doing it in the first place While its true that the problem was them doing it, nobody would have known of YouTube wasnt blabbing about it. So, this literally wouldnt have been a problem if YouTube hadnt admitted it... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:930773015] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>kirbymuncher posted...</cite> <quote>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>I mean if Youtube didn't fuck up and literally admit they were targeting ads towards kids, then this wouldn't be a problem to begin with. </quote> uh the problem isn't that they admitted it, it's that they were doing it in the first place</quote> While its true that the problem was them doing it, nobody would have known of YouTube wasnt blabbing about it. So, this literally wouldnt have been a problem if YouTube hadnt admitted it...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 11/27/19 10:37:51 AM #249:	kirbymuncher posted... LightHawKnight posted... I mean if Youtube didn't fuck up and literally admit they were targeting ads towards kids, then this wouldn't be a problem to begin with. uh the problem isn't that they admitted it, it's that they were doing it in the first place No it was them admitting it. The FTC literally has proof in writing that youtube/google employees literally telling companies that they target children. If they didn't do that, the FTC wouldn't have done anything, since there is no proof they are doing it. Which is why youtube got this far along with it until they became stupid sloppy. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:930773150] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>kirbymuncher posted...</cite> <quote>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>I mean if Youtube didn't fuck up and literally admit they were targeting ads towards kids, then this wouldn't be a problem to begin with. </quote> uh the problem isn't that they admitted it, it's that they were doing it in the first place</quote> No it was them admitting it. The FTC literally has proof in writing that youtube/google employees literally telling companies that they target children. If they didn't do that, the FTC wouldn't have done anything, since there is no proof they are doing it. Which is why youtube got this far along with it until they became stupid sloppy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 11/27/19 10:48:46 AM #250:	I guess it depends what you're counting as the problem part is it not a problem if you're just ignorant of it? personally I'd say it still is --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:930773590] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>I guess it depends what you're counting as the problem part is it not a problem if you're just ignorant of it? personally I'd say it still is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 11/27/19 10:54:29 AM #251:	kirbymuncher posted... I guess it depends what you're counting as the problem part is it not a problem if you're just ignorant of it? personally I'd say it still is Not sure why you can't understand that the FTC can't do anything without proof. Google/youtube literally gave them proof that they did it, which is why the FTC fined them to begin with using said proof. Without it, the FTC wouldn't do any of that. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:930773835] in The FTC at... [t:78176617]...</cite> <quote>kirbymuncher posted...</cite> <quote>I guess it depends what you're counting as the problem part is it not a problem if you're just ignorant of it? personally I'd say it still is</quote> Not sure why you can't understand that the FTC can't do anything without proof. Google/youtube literally gave them proof that they did it, which is why the FTC fined them to begin with using said proof. Without it, the FTC wouldn't do any of that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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