Current Events > In LoTR: RoTK, how come that guy didn't want help? [SPOILERS]

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Why didn't that one guy running the city not want help, and the hobbit had to turn on the fire (which led to an amazing fire montage) to pretend the guy wanted help?
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Cause he was corrupted by evil magic or some shit and was also pissed that Faramir outlived Boromir and just said fuck it basically.
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Because Peter Jackson changed the story

lilORANG posted...

Cause he was corrupted by evil magic or some shit and was also pissed that Faramir outlived Boromir and just said fuck it basically.

I don't think he was corrupted by evil magic. That was the other wizard (not Gandalf).
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IdiotMachine posted...

lilORANG posted...

Cause he was corrupted by evil magic or some shit and was also pissed that Faramir outlived Boromir and just said fuck it basically.

I don't think he was corrupted by evil magic. That was the other wizard (not Gandalf).

Nah Denethor had one of the palantirs and that messed him up I'm pretty sure

lilORANG posted...

Cause he was corrupted by evil magic or some shit and was also pissed that Faramir outlived Boromir and just said fuck it basically.

That was Thoden.

This guy was extremely corrupt and vain. He was extremely pissed Boromir died and not Faramir because he was the favored child.

Though I'm going by the movie. Not sure if the book is different.

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Sauron gave Denethor magic alzheimers through the palantir.

DarthAragorn posted...

Nah Denethor had one of the palantirs and that messed him up I'm pretty sure

BurmesePenguin posted...

Sauron gave Denethor magic alzheimers through the palantir.

.......wat? Off to Google for what palantir is.
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It's the magic seeing stone that Pippin used near the beginning, that Saruman showed to Gandalf in Fellowship

why didn't the eagles take the hobbits to mt doom?
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Also I wasnt joking when I said Jackson changed the story. In the book the beacons are lid on Denethors orders when Gandalf and Pippin arrive in Minas Tirith. I guess having a fun climbing sequence and a cool shot of lines of fire being lit was why they changed it.

Captain_Qwark posted...

Why didn't Aragorn take the ghost army to Mt. Doom so Frodo could just casually walk to the volcano after the ghosts run over all the orcs in 5 seconds

Because Jackson changed the story.

BurmesePenguin posted...

Also I wasnt joking when I said Jackson changed the story. In the book the beacons are lid on Denethors orders when Gandalf and Pippin arrive in Minas Tirith. I guess having a fun climbing sequence and a cool shot of lines of fire being lit was why they changed it.

Yea I Googled it and that's pretty much what it said. Jackson changed the story for him, making him an inept leader.
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BurmesePenguin posted...

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Because Jackson changed the story.

I also Googled this, and found that in the books, the ghosts can't do anything except scare people.
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Captain_Qwark posted...

Why didn't Aragorn take the ghost army to Mt. Doom so Frodo could just casually walk to the volcano after the ghosts run over all the orcs in 5 seconds

In the movie, Aragorn needed them to fight at pellanor fields. Once they fight for him, their old contract with the king was fulfilled and they all peaced out.
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I think Stuart jumped off the cliff because he was suicidal.
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IdiotMachine posted...

BurmesePenguin posted...

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Because Jackson changed the story.

I also Googled this, and found that in the books, the ghosts can't do anything except scare people.

So it was just the Rhohirim and Minas Tirith armies that defeated the orcs?

Ruvan22 posted...

So it was just the Rhohirim and Minas Tirith armies that defeated the orcs?

Aragorn arrives with several armies via boat rather than arriving with a wave of invimcible green CGI.

DarthAragorn posted...

IdiotMachine posted...

lilORANG posted...

Cause he was corrupted by evil magic or some shit and was also pissed that Faramir outlived Boromir and just said fuck it basically.

I don't think he was corrupted by evil magic. That was the other wizard (not Gandalf).

Nah Denethor had one of the palantirs and that messed him up I'm pretty sure

Yup. It's a pretty important detail that is excluded from the movie. Instead it goes with the idea that Boromir's death is the main reason Denethor has given up, when it was really that plus what Sauron was feeding him through the Palantir.
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EverDownward posted...

why didn't the eagles take the hobbits to mt doom?

Gandalf told them to fly, they were dumb

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I dont particularly feel the movie needed to spell out that Denny fucked the pslsntir in his spare time. He was cuckoo and the palantir was there. Thats enough, IMO.

my main issue, as with a lot of other characters, is that he feels exceptionally dumbed down so they dont have to take time going into detail to establish what his issue is.

also his death scene is massive cringe. Its basically a CGI animation flex.

BurmesePenguin posted...

I dont particularly feel the movie needed to spell out that Denny fucked the pslsntir in his spare time. He was cuckoo and the palantir was there. Thats enough, IMO.

my main issue, as with a lot of other characters, is that he feels exceptionally dumbed down so they dont have to take time going into detail to establish what his issue is.

also his death scene is massive cringe. Its basically a CGI animation flex.

I don't think the Palantir was shown at Minas Tirith at all in the films, so it wasn't even something really implied. Unless I just never noticed it.
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I guess it might have been an extended edition addition. In which case, fair point.

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

I don't think the Palantir was shown at Minas Tirith at all in the films, so it wasn't even something really implied. Unless I just never noticed it.

It was heavily implied that he had one in the movies. There was a line about the "eyes of the white tower" and Denethor had knowledge of Aragorn, which surprised Gandalf.

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Thanks for the clarification on the Palantir. The movie definitely doesn't delve into all that outside with Pippin.

Definitely made it seem like he was just super angry and delusional about Boromir.

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Remember when Saruman went to the Hobbits village and started a war between Hobbits? lol

Nidhoggr posted...

Remember when Saruman went to the Hobbits village and started a war between Hobbits? lol

Great as that is, I do agree that there are limits to how much could be in the movie. Doesnt mean the film should have cut Saruman entirely like it did, though. Still, I suppose that is preferably to the garbage death scene with him they actually did film and put in the extended version.

I didn't like how they did that. It's Peter Jackson's lack of subtlety showing again. He was a dick, and always a dick apparently, in the book, but the movie makes him cartoonishly evil-like with stuff like him eating that drum stick with the blood coming out. He did Wormtounge the same way. Like seriously, who would trust a guy who looks and acts like that?

Without the movies, I never would have gotten into the books and become the total Tolkien fanboy I am today, but it's kinda hard to watch certain parts of the movies again with how badly they botched or changed them.
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BurmesePenguin posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

So it was just the Rhohirim and Minas Tirith armies that defeated the orcs?

Aragorn arrives with several armies via boat rather than arriving with a wave of invimcible green CGI.

Oh cool - where did the armies come from?

Allanon23 posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

I don't think the Palantir was shown at Minas Tirith at all in the films, so it wasn't even something really implied. Unless I just never noticed it.

It was heavily implied that he had one in the movies. There was a line about the "eyes of the white tower" and Denethor had knowledge of Aragorn, which surprised Gandalf.

See I always interpreted it as his knowledge of Aragorn coming from his agents or something. Of course I saw the movies before I read the book, so I didn't realize he could potentially have a Palantir of his own.
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Southernfatman posted...

eating that drum stick with the blood coming out.

Pretty sure he was eating a berry or fruit then.

Of course I can forgive that scene a lot of shit because it's fucking beautiful.

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