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Lebronwon 11/29/19 12:21:58 PM #1: |
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Mayor Pete Buttigieg has delivered a provocative response in recent days to those who challenge his empathy with black Americans: His experience as a gay man helps him relate to the struggles of African Americans. That has angered some African Americans, who view it as an attempt by a privileged white man to claim a type of victimhood that is distinct from the black experience in America, even while others take the comments more favorably. Oliver Davis, a black council member in South Bend, Ind., where Buttigieg is mayor, said that African Americans, unlike gay people, dont have the option of coming out at their chosen moment as did Buttigieg, who disclosed his sexual orientation after he had been elected mayor. When you see me, you would know that Im African American from day one, said Davis, who has endorsed former vice president Joe Biden. When someone is gay or a lesbian, unless they tell or they are seen in certain situations, then no one is going to know that. They are able to build their rsums and build their career. LGBT activists see something different in Buttigieg a barrier-breaker from a group that has long faced bigotry and violence, a face of the latest struggle for inclusion. And while some successfully conceal their difference, say leaders of the movement for gay equality, that decision can come with its own steep costs. Evan Wolfson, founder of Freedom to Marry, which helped lead the fight for same-sex marriage, said Buttigiegs message is not an attempt to appropriate someone elses experience. Rather, he said, the mayor is saying that because he, too, has had to deal with his own struggles, that has made him more aware of the need to connect with the struggles of others. The prospect of tension between the black and gay communities worries some people in both groups. Cant yall stop this mess? Alvin McEwen, a black LGBT activist from South Carolina, recalled thinking to himself amid the furor following Buttigiegs comments. No group wants to have the autonomy of their narrative taken by another group, McEwen said. But it also typifies how both communities want to grab on to power and dont want to listen to each other. --- Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZannoL 11/29/19 12:23:21 PM #2: |
He's not wrong.
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DirkDiggles 11/29/19 12:28:28 PM #5: |
Cops aint pulling over people and killing them for being gay.....
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LoL-eSports_462 11/29/19 12:28:39 PM #6: |
Damn, hes just trying to help but experiences intense push back...
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hockeybub89 11/29/19 12:29:02 PM #7: |
DirkDiggles posted...
Cops aint pulling over people and killing them for being gay.....Not cops, no --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 11/29/19 12:31:25 PM #8: |
The guy is a Republican in all but name. I can't take him seriously.
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Sayoria 11/29/19 12:34:19 PM #10: |
Buttigieg needs to drop out. He's a hack.
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ElatedVenusaur 11/29/19 12:34:33 PM #11: |
LoL-eSports_462 posted...
Damn, hes just trying to help but experiences intense push back... Nah, it's more like he's trying to launder his own racism by talking about how he has been oppressed. https://freebeacon.com/politics/mayor-petes-police-chief-pick-prompted-clashes-with-common-council/ https://freebeacon.com/politics/buttigieg-appointed-police-chiefs-faced-multiple-accusations-of-racism-from-black-cops/ TL;DR Buttigieg, upon being elected mayor, fired the city's black police chief who was running an unpopular(in the police department) investigation into racial bias in policing and then replaced him with a white guy who not only immediately shutdown the investigation into racial bias in policing but was accused of racial bias in hiring practices! Needless to say, Mayor Pete backed his police chief to the hilt. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Thompson 11/29/19 12:39:36 PM #12: |
Not gonna comment on Buttigieg, but I do want to remind that gay people can be racist against blacks, much like black people can be homophobes.
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ZannoL 11/29/19 12:41:06 PM #13: |
Sayoria posted...
Buttigieg needs to drop out. He's a hack.I'm pretty sure you're a hack :O ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sayoria 11/29/19 12:44:43 PM #14: |
ZannoL posted...
Sayoria posted...Buttigieg needs to drop out. He's a hack.I'm pretty sure you're a hack :O We get it. He's gay. Do you support Milo as well? --- Japanese Crack: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5pzggr ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GoodOlJr 11/29/19 12:47:34 PM #15: |
Being gay is easier than being black in america
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Fony 11/29/19 12:50:12 PM #16: |
The guy who covered up racist police incidents can relate to black people, sure.
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TheRealDill2010 11/29/19 12:50:27 PM #17: |
Is he trolling us?
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Smashingpmkns 11/29/19 12:53:35 PM #18: |
Pretty sure any time someone makes this comparison everyone gets mad. His campaign team is filled with morons lol
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Deadpool_18 11/29/19 12:58:57 PM #20: |
ZannoL posted...
He's not wrong. This. Theres some degree of solidarity between those who have been ostracized for factors they cannot control. --- You go, Glenn CoCo. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZannoL 11/29/19 1:02:23 PM #21: |
Deadpool_18 posted...
This. Theres some degree of solidarity between those who have been ostracized for factors they cannot control.Yeah. I don't think he or anyone else is claiming that the struggle is completely the same, but rather, that as a minority he shares some (not all) of the same struggles. But as usual you have people completely overreacting to an innocent comment. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fuparulez 11/29/19 1:06:12 PM #22: |
Deadpool_18 posted...
ZannoL posted...He's not wrong. Try being a straight white conservative Christian male. Being LGBT or POC is absolutely celebrated in our culture. --- It's the fat upper kitty area, and if you got one I wanna marry ya! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 11/29/19 1:10:40 PM #23: |
Fuparulez posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...ZannoL posted...He's not wrong. "send her back" I literally had a middle aged white woman tell me last week FUCK YOU, FUCKING IMMIGRANT, that she'd get me arrested, and to go back to my country. All because I'm an american with brown skin. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ASithLord7 11/29/19 1:11:46 PM #24: |
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Democrats...that the destructive policies of their major political party have caused for decades smh. Bad bait --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 11/29/19 1:13:03 PM #25: |
Fuparulez posted...
Try being a straight white conservative Christian male. Being LGBT or POC is absolutely celebrated in our culture. You think being a white cishet conservative christian male is hard? Try being a gamer in Iraq. Stuck between Iraq and a hard place. :'( --- https://i.imgtc.ws/x2KBsjI.png tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PleaseClap 11/29/19 1:13:23 PM #26: |
gunplagirl posted...
Fuparulez posted...Try being a straight white conservative Christian male. Being LGBT or POC is absolutely celebrated in our culture. boooooo --- she/her https://imgur.com/AmWcJjM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CruelBuffalo 11/29/19 1:13:23 PM #27: |
ZannoL posted...
Yeah. correct which is why we cant have nice shit because people wanna be dishonest just to take down a candidate that only aligns 80% with their views ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 11/29/19 1:14:37 PM #28: |
CruelBuffalo posted...
correct which is why we cant have nice shit because people wanna be dishonest just to take down a candidate that only aligns 80% with their viewsHow do we know Buttigieg is 80% aligned with his critics? What's wrong with not compromising to support a candidate anyway? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 11/29/19 1:14:57 PM #29: |
Sayoria posted...
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Phantom_Nook 11/29/19 1:16:50 PM #30: |
Fuparulez posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...ZannoL posted... I can't tell if you're trying to be ironic here. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 11/29/19 1:18:05 PM #31: |
Fuparulez posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...ZannoL posted...He's not wrong. Hell, its hard enough being a metro, white, agnostic male. /s --- You go, Glenn CoCo. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CruelBuffalo 11/29/19 1:18:55 PM #32: |
hockeybub89 posted...
How do we know Buttigieg is 80% aligned with his critics? What's wrong with not compromising to support a candidate anyway? its totally possible to not support pete while not being purposely obtuse with shit like the story of the topic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IShall_Run_Amok 11/29/19 1:19:01 PM #33: |
I'm sure a rich, white, gay capitalist shill can relate to poor black people who (try to) work for a living.
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CruelBuffalo 11/29/19 1:20:10 PM #34: |
IShall_Run_Amok posted...
I'm sure a rich, white, gay capitalist shill can relate to poor black people who (try to) work for a living. isnt he the poorest of the candidates? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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coh 11/29/19 1:20:15 PM #35: |
I don't think being gay is comparable at all to being black. Gays were never sold into slavery or anything, or segragated
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PleaseClap 11/29/19 1:20:55 PM #36: |
hockeybub89 posted...
DirkDiggles posted...Cops aint pulling over people and killing them for being gay.....Not cops, no It's not on the same level as the Black community, but it probably is worth noting that the LGBTQ community is not historically known for having a great relationship with cops --- she/her https://imgur.com/AmWcJjM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CruelBuffalo 11/29/19 1:22:26 PM #37: |
coh posted...
I don't think being gay is comparable at all to being black. Gays were never sold into slavery or anything, or segragated i dont think being gay and black are similar at all. blacks (mirroring your phrasing I would say black or gay people but ) were never killed in the holocaust. i too can be obtuse ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Romulox28 11/29/19 1:29:29 PM #39: |
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UnfairRepresent 11/29/19 1:29:55 PM #40: |
I get what he is saying.
Hes not saying its the same thing, hes saying he has experience and understanding of people treating you differently based on something harmless you can't control "Othering" you with judgements, stereotypes and hate Hell in the US gay people still dont have equality, black people do in law. But of course people ignore the nuance and just pretend he was calling himself black or other silly claims A legal immigrant being held in a camp at the boarder for 2 years isnt the sane as a guy falsely accused of rape spending 2 years in prison But theres probably overlapping of experience and sympathy there that others wont feel --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CruelBuffalo 11/29/19 1:30:09 PM #41: |
im gonna continue enjoying my family time so I will leave with this.
very obvious to understand persecuted can share an empathy of knowing what its like to face adversity and hardships. Its also obvious that while they can share that empathy their struggles are unique and you cant truly know 100% what it feels like to be something your not. I doubt ANY of the candidatas (well except maybe Biden ) would say that. So go back to attacking Pete for not going far enough for making college free for all or healthcare. Not on shit like this ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlecSkorpio 11/29/19 1:32:16 PM #42: |
Big oof
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IShall_Run_Amok 11/29/19 1:32:31 PM #43: |
CruelBuffalo posted...
isnt he the poorest of the candidates?Hm! You're right. Having abdicated my responsibility, I bow out. --- Fair enough, but I think everything you said is wrong and I hate you and you're crazy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 11/29/19 1:34:51 PM #44: |
"I once had a struggle so I understand struggles" is just a goofy statement. It's a "Hello fellow children" type of scenario.
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ToPoPO 11/29/19 1:44:07 PM #45: |
Just glad that no one brought up the pedo comparison
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Fony 11/29/19 1:54:52 PM #47: |
CruelBuffalo posted...
coh posted...I don't think being gay is comparable at all to being black. Gays were never sold into slavery or anything, or segragated Blacks were killed in a similar event by germany and by denmark in much larger numbers though. --- It's not the end of the world, but we can see it from here. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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treewojima 11/29/19 1:55:58 PM #48: |
they're both marginalized communities, that's about it. he's just trying to cover for previous tone deaf actions toward the black community, and saying "we both struggle" once again comes off as tone deaf
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1337toothbrush 11/29/19 1:59:01 PM #49: |
LoL-eSports_462 posted...
Damn, hes just trying to help but experiences intense push back... He's just trying to help himself. He's a piece of shit establishment whore who's in it just to stroke his own ego. He was a terrible mayor who did nothing about this black struggle he claims to identify with, in fact he made it WORSE. I wish he'd get called out in the debates like Kamala Harris did. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 11/29/19 2:01:03 PM #50: |
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foreverzero212 11/29/19 2:12:10 PM #52: |
CruelBuffalo posted...
So go back to attacking Pete for not going far enough for making college free for all or healthcare. Not on shit like this No, we'll continue to call out Pete's problematic tones with black people, especially given his past actions. You value more conservative policy enough to not care about the reasons he's unfavorable among black people (you've defended all reasons, not just his comments itt) Cool, you've got a vote and always inject your opinion. However, you will not police how the black community is allowed to feel, always saying you can't attack Pete on this issue. --- lions and panthers oh my ... Copied to Clipboard!
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