Current Events > AOC dismantles Pete Buttigieg's attacks on free public college

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King_Hutton posted...

This is the argument you should have made then, rather than needlessly ranting about gender studies majors. Its a much better point than heres a degree where people are successfully finding employment and making more money than they would have without it, its my example because I dont like the subject.

Needlessly ranting? It was one example in one short paragraph that you couldn't get the fuck over. Go back and read the thread.. I've been taking performance based assessment and prioritization on job placement this whole time.

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Im glad you read the word rant and concluded that its still everyone elses fault that you couldnt make a coherent argument.
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No one wants to respond to my points? You guys done measuring dick sizes yet?
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

1337toothbrush posted...

Nah, it's just not worth arguing with a rabid right-winger such as yourself

Yes I'm clearly a rabid right-winger for wanting wealthy people who get a degree which will make them even wealthier to pay it off themselves. It's not you who's fallen down the rabbit hole of extremist politics, everyone is just a rabid right-winger.

I'm going to make this as clear as I can, tuition is already affordable for poor students. Rich and poor do not pay the same on tuition. But since tuition isn't the main barrier for poor people getting into college, 75% of college graduates still come from upper-middle and upper class families.

Average student debt upon graduation is around 30k.
Average debt payment is around $300 - $400.
Median income for college grads is 20k higher than high school graduates
Unemployment rate is half that of high school graduates

College is not a burden, it's one of the best investments you can ever make. Rich people going to college and taking out a loan that will pay for itself many times over is not a problem we need to deal with. The progressive argument for free tuition isn't that it will help poor people, it's that it will remove a minor and temporary inconvenience for upper-middle class people (meaning progressives).

Calling out your insane affluenza doesn't make a person right-wing.

Whoa man, did I touch a nerve there? Shut the fuck up and calm down.
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Its best to ignore people who think that 50k per year makes someone rich.
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1337toothbrush posted...

Whoa man, did I touch a nerve there? Shut the fuck up and calm down.

yeah something tells me i'm not the mad one here

King_Hutton posted...

Its best to ignore people who think that 50k per year makes someone rich.

you can stop saying 50k over and over again to pretend like you didn't say 100k originally, thanks

100k household as in 2 parents making 50k, AOC already addressed this in her criticisms

https://mobile.twitter.com/AOC/status/1200537086862004224
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But I heard AOC is just some airhead who can't explain her positions

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"I didn't say 100k, I said two parents making 50k"

You're making a fantastic argument as to why absolutely no one should finance your education.

Pete's campaign is saying "children of millionaires and billionaires"
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

"I didn't say 100k, I said two parents making 50k"

You're making a fantastic argument as to why absolutely no one should finance your education.

What are you struggling to understand here?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78211462/930903634
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Did you know rich people are using highways more than poor people living in the slums? Let's stop pretending that public roads are an everyone problem when they disproportionately benefit the rich.

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King_Hutton posted...

What are you struggling to understand here?

What are YOU struggling to understand? If your parents make six figures you have access to pre-school, the best public schools (if you even go to public school), college prep resources and you basically never have to worry about anything but your education. Pete's 100% right in saying we don't need to pay for these guys degrees which they're only getting because it'll let them make even more money. No one can answer the basic reason as to why the government needs to bail out rich people who are temporarily inconvenienced on their road to becoming even richer.

hockeybub89 posted...

Did you know rich people are using highways more than poor people living in the slums? Let's stop pretending that public roads are an everyone problem when they disproportionately benefit the rich.

Roads aren't excludable please stop using this terrible argument.

Ok so youre just going to praise Pete even when its clear hes talking pure bullshit, he talks about children of millionaires and billionaires but his plan is about household incomes over 100k.
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King_Hutton posted...

but his plan is about household incomes over 100k.

sounds good

Broseph_Stalin posted...

No one can answer the basic reason as to why the government needs to bail out rich people who are temporarily inconvenienced on their road to becoming even richer.

Because it can bail out the non-rich too.

Also, we shouldn't have "best" public schools. That is another problem that needs to be addressed. Inequality pre-college causes inequality at the next level.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Because it can bail out the non-rich too

I've already pointed out how cheap (and usually free) tuition is for poor students. Stop avoiding the question.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

the best public schools (if you even go to public school),

This seems to be a key sticking point of all of this; the children of the ultra rich (and reasonable people can debate whether the 75th percentile for household income qualifies) aren't going to Penn State even if tuition is 0
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

I've already pointed out how cheap (and usually free) tuition is for poor students. Stop avoiding the question.

So you can easily get free college or you're so rich that you can afford college no problem? That doesn't seem to be the reality I've heard about but okay. Nor does it really justify tuition prices or predatory loaning.

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hockeybub89 posted...

That doesn't seem to be the reality I've heard about but okay

I'm just repeating myself now because no one can defend how shitty free college for suburban kids is lol

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Tuition is already dirt cheap, if not free, for students from low-income families.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/24/tuition-at-public-universities-is-10230-a-year-on-average.html
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-10-09/make-sure-u-s-universities-remain-the-world-s-best

Most people aren't aware of this because the progressives arguing for free tuition aren't actually poor, they generally come from comfortable backgrounds like AOC does. And actual poor students aren't making it into college in the first place to take advantage of low tuition cost, which is my point.

You're really determined to incite some class warfare here.

Yes there is more to getting people into college or setting someone up for success than just free college, but that still doesn't mean college should cost direct money.

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hockeybub89 posted...

You're really determined to incite some class warfare here.

???????????

I'm not the one saying becky should get a free ride because her parents only make 100k my dude

tuition is already cheap for poor students, which is nice, but it isn't the main obstacle for them getting into college so I'd rather spend money where it would actually help them. NO ONE can apparently tell me why making tuition free for everyone, when it already is for poor people, is meant to help... poor people?

Broseph_Stalin posted...

yeah something tells me i'm not the mad one here

You're the one who wrote a novel over my one-liner, mate.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

???????????

I'm not the one saying becky should get a free ride because her parents only make 100k my dude

tuition is already cheap for poor students, which is nice, but it isn't the main obstacle for them getting into college so I'd rather spend money where it would actually help them. NO ONE can apparently tell me why making tuition free for everyone, when it already is for poor people, is meant to help... poor people?

Poor people and rich people are both subsets of people, who should all benefit from free tuition. We should do better to equalize K-12 public education. We should also direct efforts at preparing all children for college or whatever else is next that fits them. We also apparently need to spread awareness of this cheap or free college that basically no one is aware of and causes some to actively avoid college.

If you would pay more than literally $0 for college, then you'd benefit from free tuition. You think "But eat the rich tho" is an argument. I'm not accusing you of anything, but you sound more like a critique of the left than the part of the left that really cares

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Were witnessing a generation of people who wont be able to afford a home until theyre 45 but thats better than some rich kids getting free public schooling, am I right?
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hockeybub89 posted...

then you'd benefit from free tuition

You can't take something that's excludable and then claim it'll benefit everyone because it's publicly funded. In practice, only the richer students would benefit because tuition was already affordable for poor students but not the reason so few of them make it to college in the first place.

You would be spending a huge amount of money paying for degrees that already pay for themselves, earned by people who already come from privileged backgrounds. There's no reasonable argument as to why that money wouldn't be better spent on free pre-school or closing the funding gap between rich and poor public schools. This whole thing is just progressives pretending to be poor so they can make their life even easier than it already is.

King_Hutton posted...

Its practically free if you ignore the loans necessary to pay for it!

Fr im poor and a minoritty and was 75k in debt when i gradusting and thats with me having a job and paying. Lucky for me i found a decent job in my field (comp sci) and am STILL struggling to pay

Cant imagine all the poor saps who got duped (like i was) into paying for this shit for a degree that wont help them

I could drive drunk and suffer less for my mistakes than these people trying to get an education but were misled

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