Current Events > AOC dismantles Pete Buttigieg's attacks on free public college

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https://mobile.twitter.com/AOC/status/1200261361391017984
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Paper_Okami posted...

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AOC is amazing.

Wish we had more progressives like her.
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She's the gift that keeps on giving.

Not sure what she dismantled, she's an upper-middle class person with a college education arguing in favor of free college for rich people. Basically what Pete is saying.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Not sure what she dismantled, she's an upper-middle class person with a college education arguing in favor of free college for rich people. Basically what Pete is saying.

Should rich people have to pay to send their kids to public K-12 too?
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God DAYUM i can't wait till she's president of da United States of America
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That is a dumb talking point, but free college is still a bad idea.
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King_Hutton posted...

Should rich people have to pay to send their kids to public K-12 too?

I know you think this is a bullet proof argument but public education has no prerequisite so it's really not even remotely comparable.

Tuition for poor families is already heavily subsidized by the government and schools to the point of basically being free, yet 75% of all college graduates are students that come from upper and middle-upper class families, like AOC. This is because tuition is not the main barrier for poor people getting into college.

Free tuition is a handout for rich people, the rich people just don't like admitting that.

Its practically free if you ignore the loans necessary to pay for it!
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It works in pretty much every other first world country and yet we are to believe that it can't work here.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

I know you think this is a bullet proof argument but public education has no prerequisite so it's really not even remotely comparable.

Tuition for poor families is already heavily subsidized by the government and schools to the point of basically being free, yet 75% of all college graduates are students that come from upper and middle-upper class families, like AOC. This is because tuition is not the main barrier for poor people getting into college.

Free tuition is a handout for rich people, the rich people just don't like admitting that.

Can you go more in depth on this? I don't know how it works for rich people.

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Republicans hate helping people so much that they'll flip on the rich just to try and stick it to the libs.

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King_Hutton posted...

Its practically free if you ignore the loans necessary to pay for it!

No one said anything about loans. Tuition is already dirt cheap, if not free, for students from low-income families.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/24/tuition-at-public-universities-is-10230-a-year-on-average.html
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-10-09/make-sure-u-s-universities-remain-the-world-s-best

Most people aren't aware of this because the progressives arguing for free tuition aren't actually poor, they generally come from comfortable backgrounds like AOC does. And actual poor students aren't making it into college in the first place to take advantage of low tuition cost, which is my point.

Guide posted...

Can you go more in depth on this? I don't know how it works for rich people.

Since tuition isn't the main barrier for poor people getting into college, making it free does nothing to help them. You can't give people free storage space for their yachts and then pretend it's not a handout for the rich. Rich kids going to college and getting even richer isn't a problem, we don't need to be paying for it.

Shut the fuck up broseph.
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Literally the perfect woman.

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1337toothbrush posted...

Shut the fuck up broseph.

lol progressives get so mad when you call out their privilege

stop fucking LARPing as poor people it's embarrassing

How come we never hear anyone go after the college institutions themselves for jacking up prices?

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King_Hutton posted...

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Not sure what she dismantled, she's an upper-middle class person with a college education arguing in favor of free college for rich people. Basically what Pete is saying.

Should rich people have to pay to send their kids to public K-12 too?

I have to pay for public schools and I don't have kids. Nor want any. We all pay for public school.
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EnterTheTekken posted...

How come we never hear anyone go after the college institutions themselves for jacking up prices?

Well, Betsy Devos, head of Education, is facing lawsuits nearly every day for ruining college for everyone.
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King_Hutton posted...

Its practically free if you ignore the loans necessary to pay for it!

I mean...
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Tuition isnt a barrier for college except for the massive amount of people whos entire adult lives have been stuck in neutral because of the loans theyre paying off and the substantial amount of people who assume they can never afford it so they dont go through high school aiming for it. Because some middle class people will benefit from free college, that aint allowed! Right Bro?
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King_Hutton posted...

Tuition isnt a barrier for college except for the massive amount of people whos entire adult lives have been stuck in neutral because of the loans theyre paying off and the substantial amount of people who assume they can never afford it so they dont go through high school aiming for it. Because some middle class people will benefit from free college, that aint allowed! Right Bro?

I'm all for free public college but this post is some ridiculous hyperbole lol
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Millennials cant afford houses because of their student loans, its not hyperbolic at all
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Not sure what she dismantled, she's an upper-middle class person with a college education arguing in favor of free college for rich people. Basically what Pete is saying.

Oh, nooowww moderates and right wingers care about the rich getting an advantage. Yeah, sure Jan.
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Southernfatman posted...

Oh, nooowww moderates and right wingers care about the rich getting an advantage. Yeah, sure Jan.

Buttigiegs plan considers a family income of 100k to be rich, so its not even the actually rich. And equality isnt even an advantage, theyre just being offered the same thing everyone else is.
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Romulox28 posted...

I'm all for free public college but this post is some ridiculous hyperbole lol

Progressives using hyperbole, must be a day ending in y. But I mean how else are you going to pretend upper class white people are marginalized?

King_Hutton posted...

Tuition isnt a barrier for college except for the massive amount of people whos entire adult lives have been stuck in neutral because of the loans theyre paying off

Yes that is how a loan works, you pay it off. Welcome to adulthood.

King_Hutton posted...

Buttigiegs plan considers a family income of 100k to be rich, so its not even the actually rich

hahaha

honestly growing up poor was probably way better for me than turning out like this guy

Yeah man, its great seeing a whole generation unable to afford homes because welcome to adulthood.

We get it, you dont want problems to actually be solved, you just want to bitch.

Edit: and you think two people making 50k are rich?
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College has nothing to do with the housing shortage, but I don't really feel like schooling you on a second issue right now.

King_Hutton posted...

Edit: and you think two people making 50k are rich?

Poor Jessica's parents only make six figures If bernie isn't elected she might have to get a job

College has a ton to do with millennials being unable to afford houses and making 50k doesnt make you rich.
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Southernfatman posted...

Oh, nooowww moderates and right wingers care about the rich getting an advantage. Yeah, sure Jan.

It's pretty funny

"wtf we can't tax the super rich any more...but also God forbid relatively well off people benefit from public services!"

neoliberals are right wingers

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if you cant see that the endgame is civil war then your blind

CharlesBronson posted...

if you cant see that the endgame is civil war then your blind

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Not sure what she dismantled, she's an upper-middle class person with a college education arguing in favor of free college for rich people. Basically what Pete is saying.

she did not grow up upper middle class

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BeantownHero posted...

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Not sure what she dismantled, she's an upper-middle class person with a college education arguing in favor of free college for rich people. Basically what Pete is saying.

she did not grow up upper middle class

To be fair, Bro thinks that 50k per year is rich so its probably better not to listen to him
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EnterTheTekken posted...

How come we never hear anyone go after the college institutions themselves for jacking up prices?

Happens all the time, but it's just easier to attack the left and claim "THEY DON'T WANT TO ACTUALLY LOWER COSTS AND JUST GIVE AWAY FREE STUFF!" while still kissing that private banking and loan industry ass.

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EnterTheTekken posted...

How come we never hear anyone go after the college institutions themselves for jacking up prices?

The institutions, in this case, are public ones. This is what lowering their prices looks like: funding them via public revenue such that students are no longer charged tuition.

Which, I should note, is how these universities operated until the 60s.
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Pete Buttigieg is a clown
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BeantownHero posted...

she did not grow up upper middle class

Yes she did, this isn't some secret. She was born in the Bronx and then when she was five her whole family moved to a wealthy suburb. They could afford it because her dad was the president of an Architecture Firm. She had an upper class education and went to a good University where she interned for senators. Then she moved back into the Bronx after her dad died and she graduated college to bartend and pretended like she never left. Oh, and she started her own book publishing company before that but it only lasted a year or so.

That's not to say she didn't have her own struggles, but she is absolutely the byproduct of an upper-middle-class upbringing.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

1337toothbrush posted...

Shut the fuck up broseph.

lol progressives get so mad when you call out their privilege

stop fucking LARPing as poor people it's embarrassing

Nah, it's just not worth arguing with a rabid right-winger such as yourself who spouts endless disingenuous arguments. Consider it the equivalent of "ok boomer". So kindly shut the fuck up.
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If you're poor af, like I was, fill out a FAFSA like everyone else. Set your sights on schools you can afford.

Antifar posted...

Which, I should note, is how these universities operated until the 60s.

Is that when America was great?
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I'm not American but here's a take anyway:

Make things like medical and engineering part of the military. Keep university at cost but limit it to stuff that is more about creativity and discovery.

Edit: sure this could be worded more appropriately but the point should be clear enough

2nd point: I stole this idea from a book
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Going on Sanders website I dont see how exactly his guarantees it be free college education, unless I am reading it wrong. Happy to be corrected.

it seems that his plan is that the federal govt will match state spending for college tuition but it doesnt say what the requirements are.

it also doesnt specify how a college would not qualify from getting this funding. unsure how his (or any of the plans) would prevent colleges from way over charging the fed govt on what tuition should cost.

so a public university system can choose whether to join Sanders program or not. Also doesnt tackle if states will be penalized for charging out of state tuition to people applying out of state. Because in California we greatly subsidize our university system with the expectation to help California residents children.

If we go down this route I would want to see

1. How to make sure colleges dont just jack up rates on fed government because obviously that model is not sustainable

2. A fair system that reimburses colleges for costs from the fed government that doesnt cause the university to regress.

3. A system in place to prevent a person being a student for life, while also not having an unattended consequence of masters, ph.d, or teaching credentialing classes explode in costs

Im not opposed to tuition being funded by federal government, I just want more details before I can yell yaaasss qweeeen. Cuz Sanders plan vague AF