Current Events > Trump: Democrats had a bad day. If you are going to impeach me, do it now, fast

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karlpilkington4
12/05/19 11:23:26 AM
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The23rdMagus posted...
Other star witnesses with actual firsthand knowledge of the exchange are being blocked from testifying. Compel them.


Sure, I'll call up heads of state on my cellphone.

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The23rdMagus
12/05/19 11:26:36 AM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
Sure, I'll call up heads of state on my cellphone.
You could do that or you could acknowledge the rest of the statement and its actual meaning, and analyze the subtext. Witnesses that could completely exonerate the President are being told to disregard subpoenas to testify.

Why?

No, don't look away. Don't close the tab. Pursue this line of reasoning and answer the question. Show your work.

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Sackgurl
12/05/19 11:26:43 AM
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These are the comments from Zelensky on the blocked military aid:

https://time.com/5742108/ukraine-zelensky-interview-trump-putin-europe/

When did you first sense that there was a connection between Trumps decision to block military aid to Ukraine this summer and the two investigations that Trump and his allies were asking for? Can you clarify this issue of the quid pro quo?
Look, I never talked to the President from the position of a quid pro quo. Thats not my thing. I dont want us to look like beggars. But you have to understand. Were at war. If youre our strategic partner, then you cant go blocking anything for us. I think thats just about fairness. Its not about a quid pro quo. It just goes without saying.


karlpilkington4 posted...
No. The president said to Sondland specifically I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing.

This is what Sondland told Congress. So is Sondland lying about his own conversations?


No, you are lying, because Sondland provided congress with the context of those conversations and you are going out of your way to avoid the context of those conversations:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-sondland-denial-ukraine-quid-pro-quo-915283/

Sondland said he knew by then the administration had frozen nearly $400 million in security aid to Ukraine to help in an ongoing regional conflict with Russia. According to Sondland, Trump repeatedly told him on the call I want nothing and there was no quid pro quo. Sondland then relayed the presidents words to the new Ukrainian ambassador, William Taylor, who had become concerned about the administrations pressure campaign on Ukraine. My reason for telling (Taylor) this was not to defend what the president was saying, Sondland testified, not to opine whether the president was being truthful or untruthful, but simply to relay Ive gone as far as I can go in trying to understand what Trump wanted from the Ukrainians.
The timing of Sondlands call matters: That same day, the inspector general for the Intelligence Community notified the House and Senate that an anonymous whistleblower had filed a complaint, which the public would soon learn describing the broad contours of Trumps campaign to force Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 election. Its likely Trump knew the committee had received the complaint, and that that knowledge informed his call with Sondland.



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ledbowman
12/05/19 12:05:33 PM
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Rexdragon125
12/05/19 12:10:23 PM
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HelloImaPC posted...
Trump didnt know what quid pro quo was until he was told by his people of what he did
Rexdragon125 posted...
He's literally admitted to the quid pro quo

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-admits-to-ukraine-military-aid-quid-pro-quo-tv-2019-11
Ignoring it is one method of dealing with your shitty worldview getting curb stomped on a message board
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Machete
12/05/19 2:48:16 PM
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donald trump should never have been born.
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sondast
12/05/19 2:53:26 PM
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Lol, what happened to "just read the transcripts!!!!"

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karlpilkington4
12/05/19 2:53:54 PM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
Rexdragon125 posted...
He's literally admitted to the quid pro quo

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-admits-to-ukraine-military-aid-quid-pro-quo-tv-2019-11

No he didnt. When you have the use the word "essentially" in your headline, you already know the actual content will be distorted to oblivion, and they're just hoping the reader doesn't read too deep into it.

Trump said why would we give money to a corrupt country. Which is not the same thing as a quid pro quo. Not even close

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The23rdMagus
12/05/19 6:01:23 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
No he didnt. When you have the use the word "essentially" in your headline, you already know the actual content will be distorted to oblivion, and they're just hoping the reader doesn't read too deep into it.

Trump said why would we give money to a corrupt country. Which is not the same thing as a quid pro quo. Not even close

The23rdMagus posted...
You could do that or you could acknowledge the rest of the statement and its actual meaning, and analyze the subtext. Witnesses that could completely exonerate the President are being told to disregard subpoenas to testify.

Why?

No, don't look away. Don't close the tab. Pursue this line of reasoning and answer the question. Show your work.

This avoidant behavior is unbecoming.

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Machete
12/05/19 6:18:08 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...


This avoidant behavior is unbecoming.


He's not avoiding you. He's in purgatory again >_>
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The23rdMagus
12/06/19 9:04:19 AM
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Machete posted...
He's not avoiding you. He's in purgatory again >_>
Oh no.

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LightningAce11
12/06/19 9:14:28 AM
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All these trump supporters are the exact same in mannerisms, posting style and bootlicking and trolling. You could call karl caution, funbazooka or vice versa, it doesn't matter. They might as well be one person.

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Machete
12/06/19 1:06:45 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
All these trump supporters are the exact same in mannerisms, posting style and bootlicking and trolling. You could call karl caution, funbazooka or vice versa, it doesn't matter. They might as well be one person.


Yeah. It's because everything they "contribute" to political conversations comes from the same source. They just all regurgitate identical talking points.
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