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Umbreon
12/13/19 6:37:14 PM
#52:


ThePrinceFish posted...
He taught a dog to lift its paw in response to a tasteless sentence. He didn't march. He didn't espouse Nazi idealogy. He didn't train the dog to be aggressive towards Jews or literally anyone else.

But yeah, let's compare that to pretending like you are a threat to the president.


"Seig Heil" doesn't count as Nazi idealogy?

Obviously this isn't the same level as a death threat. It was just pointing out that, no you never could just say anything and not get in trouble. Shit like this isn't new.

More to the point, this is 2019. It's one of two things.

1. They weren't joking, and knew exactly what they were doing. In which case, fuck em.

2. They were just kidding, in which case they're an idiot because he should know how people take Nazi stuff super serious these days. Hopefully this incident will remind him not to be one in the future.

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IShall_Run_Amok
12/13/19 6:38:16 PM
#53:


I'm fine with politicians going to prison for teaching their dog to salute Adolf Hitler.

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Umbreon
12/13/19 6:38:53 PM
#54:


vigorm0rtis posted...
Point is, freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. Should this be a crime? No. Was it stupid? Yeah. Does it bother me to see people get fucked up for doing stupid things? Nope.


All of this basically.

It's 2019, don't be an idiot.

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Esrac
12/13/19 6:39:01 PM
#55:


Umbreon posted...
"Seig Heil" doesn't count as Nazi idealogy?

Obviously this isn't the same level as a death threat. It was just pointing out that, no you never could just say anything and not get in trouble. Shit like this isn't new.

More to the point, this is 2019. It's one of two things.

1. They weren't joking, and knew exactly what they were doing. In which case, fuck em.

2. They were just kidding, in which case they're an idiot because he should know how people take Nazi stuff super serious these days. Hopefully this incident will remind him not to be one in the future.

No. Just saying "sieg heil" as part of a joke is not Nazi ideology.

If you want to compare what he said to something, pick something comparable.
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markconigliaro
12/13/19 6:39:24 PM
#56:


People seemed to forget what actually happened. Here's the original video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY2qtoEcGAo

The context he says right in the beginning, his girlfriend is always ranting and raving about how cute her dog was, so he thought of the least cute thing he can think of, which are nazis, so he made a little joke montage video of turning his dog into a nazi. The salute was just when he says sieg heil, the dog raises it's paw a little.

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Irony
12/13/19 6:39:41 PM
#57:


Esrac posted...
If you think a person should be legally prosecuted because of a joke, you're an asshole.
The person you're responding to supported a mom that threatened to punish her son for not wanting to wear a dress.

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RebelElite791
12/13/19 6:40:00 PM
#58:


Esrac posted...
No.
The dudes been caught using the n-word and saying all kinds of racist shit about black people. Hes a racist piece of shit

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Esrac
12/13/19 6:40:54 PM
#59:


Umbreon posted...
All of this basically.

It's 2019, don't be an idiot.

Freedom of speech does mean freedom from consequences from the government for jokes. If the government can legally fuck you up because you said a joke, or posted song lyrics on your social media, then you don't have freedom of speech.

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Umbreon
12/13/19 6:42:43 PM
#60:


Esrac posted...
Freedom of speech does mean freedom from consequences from the government for jokes. If the government can legally fuck you up because you said a joke, or posted song lyrics on your social media, then you don't have freedom of speech.


Perhaps they don't see it as a joke. Perhaps they think that's just an excuse.

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vigorm0rtis
12/13/19 6:53:49 PM
#61:


GoodOlJr posted...
At what point is it okay to cut off someone like alex jones

Are you okay if the hydro company says they dont like what he says so they wont power his servers?

Well... that's complicated just because poiwer companies usually take tax dollars to build their infrastructure, but in most cases I'd say they're a private business, they can do whatever they want-- but that behavior wouldn't survive a challenge in court.

Your right to free speech isn't a right to be broadcasted.

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The Catgirl Fondler
12/13/19 6:54:28 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Play stupid games win stupid prizes

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Esrac
12/13/19 6:54:57 PM
#63:


RebelElite791 posted...
The dudes been caught using the n-word and saying all kinds of racist shit about black people. Hes a racist piece of shit

Show me. But I'll warn you first, I'm not going to take him saying offensive jokes as proof of anything conclusive when we're already arguing over an offensive joke.

Also, not inclined to accept news articles reporting second because journalists are often ignorant or otherwisd misleading about internet subculture reporting.

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vigorm0rtis
12/13/19 6:56:15 PM
#64:


Esrac posted...
Freedom of speech does mean freedom from consequences from the government for jokes. If the government can legally fuck you up because you said a joke, or posted song lyrics on your social media, then you don't have freedom of speech.

"If I don't have the freedom to do everything, I don't have the freedom to do anything."

Sorry dude, that argument was refuted in something like the 5th century b.c.

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Esrac
12/13/19 6:56:57 PM
#65:


vigorm0rtis posted...
Well... that's complicated just because poiwer companies usually take tax dollars to build their infrastructure, but in most cases I'd say they're a private business, they can do whatever they want-- but that behavior wouldn't survive a challenge in court.

Your right to free speech isn't a right to be broadcasted.

If Dankula were booted off YouTube, I'd think it was dumb, but I can't fairly dispute a private company choosing who they don't want to broadcast. But we're talking about the right for people to say arguably offensive jokes without legal punishment.
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Esrac
12/13/19 6:57:19 PM
#66:


vigorm0rtis posted...
"If I don't have the freedom to do everything, I don't have the freedom to do anything."

Sorry dude, that argument was refuted in something like the 5th century b.c.

I didn't say that.
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vigorm0rtis
12/13/19 6:58:53 PM
#67:


Esrac posted...
If Dankula were booted off YouTube, I'd think it was dumb, but I can't fairly dispute a private company choosing who they don't want to broadcast. But we're talking about the right for people to say arguably offensive jokes without legal punishment.

Not to say. To broadcast. What we can broadcast is tightly controlled, and your first amendment rights don't apply.

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ThePrinceFish
12/13/19 6:59:20 PM
#68:


vigorm0rtis posted...
"If I don't have the freedom to do everything, I don't have the freedom to do anything."

Sorry dude, that argument was refuted in something like the 5th century b.c.
Obviously the right of freedom of speech isn't absolute. We tend to draw the line around things that present physical danger to people like inciting a panic with the fire in a movie theater example.

Posting a video of a dog raising its paw falls far short of this line btw. If your government uses its power to punish you for this, you have no freedom of speech and live in a shithole nanny state with big brother. Aka Europe.

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vigorm0rtis
12/13/19 7:00:07 PM
#69:


Esrac posted...
I didn't say that.

It was clear the thought wasn't fully formed.

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vigorm0rtis
12/13/19 7:02:53 PM
#70:


ThePrinceFish posted...


Posting a video of a dog raising its paw falls far short of this line btw. If your government uses its power to punish you for this, you have no freedom of speech and live in a shithole nanny state with big brother. Aka Europe.

I see you're not familiar with the FCC.

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RebelElite791
12/13/19 7:03:02 PM
#71:


Esrac posted...
Show me. But I'll warn you first, I'm not going to take him saying offensive jokes as proof of anything conclusive when we're already arguing over an offensive joke.

Also, not inclined to accept news articles reporting second because journalists are often ignorant or otherwisd misleading about internet subculture reporting.

Got good screen shots?
Im not about to post screenshots of someone using the n word and saying vile things about all black people. Do a quick google. Racist jokes are fucking racist

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EvenSpoonier
12/13/19 7:04:42 PM
#72:


Spooking posted...
Thank GOD we have Freedom of Expression here in the good ol' US of A.
On the one hand, yes.

On the other hand, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA everyone laugh at the pathetic British Nazi incel because Jesus Christ what did he think was going to happen?

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Vicious_Dios
12/13/19 7:05:12 PM
#73:


All this topic managed to do was make me want to see the dog do the trick.

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Esrac
12/13/19 7:07:20 PM
#74:


vigorm0rtis posted...
Not to say. To broadcast. What we can broadcast is tightly controlled, and your first amendment rights don't apply.

Maybe in the UK, where they don't seem to have such freedom. But in the US what we can broadcast isn't that tightly controlled by the government.

There are some things that involve committing actual crimes, like child porn, but the government can't crack down on private citizens say on their social media. The first amendment does apply to that. It doesn't protect you from YouTube or facebook kicking you off their site, but it does protect you from the government from policing your sense of humor.

vigorm0rtis posted...
It was clear the thought wasn't fully formed.

You made of spare parts or something?
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vigorm0rtis
12/13/19 7:10:30 PM
#75:


Esrac posted...
Maybe in the UK, where they don't seem to have such freedom. But in the US what we can broadcast isn't that tightly controlled by the government.

There are some things that involve committing actual crimes, like child porn, but the government can't crack down on private citizens say on their social media. The first amendment does apply to that. It doesn't protect you from YouTube or facebook kicking you off their site, but it does protect you from the government from policing your sense of humor.

You made of spare parts or something?

Your thought. Try to keep up.

And I see you're also not familiar with the FCC.


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Fossil
12/13/19 7:15:34 PM
#76:


markconigliaro posted... People seemed to forget what actually happened. Here's the original video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY2qtoEcGAo

The context he says right in the beginning, his girlfriend is always ranting and raving about how cute her dog was, so he thought of the least cute thing he can think of, which are nazis, so he made a little joke montage video of turning his dog into a nazi. The salute was just when he says sieg heil, the dog raises it's paw a little.
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Roxborough4Ever
12/13/19 7:24:56 PM
#77:


shockthemonkey posted...
What a fucking ridiculous thing to be considered a crime. What was the penalty?

he said a word. he thought a thought. he simply cannot be, his way of thinking needs to be destroyed

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Esrac
12/13/19 7:28:18 PM
#78:


RebelElite791 posted...
Im not about to post screenshots of someone using the n word and saying vile things about all black people. Do a quick google. Racist jokes are fucking racist

Fair enough. Wouldn't want to ask you to get moderated.

I googled "count dankula racism" and just found a BBC article about a "free speech" discord server he was a part of, but I don't trust news articles about internet bullshit. I even read his rationalwiki article and found no reference to what you're saying, which is surprising because if it were so I would figure they'd make a note of it.

I might try other combinations of words later to see if I can find better results.

Telling racist jokes isn't enough for me to consider someone seriously racist. Sometimes you just have a dark or otherwise fucked up sense of humor. Like, I don't think telling a stereotyical joke about irish people means you must actually hate irish people. I'd need to see more than just some jokes.
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Fossil
12/13/19 7:30:55 PM
#79:


Esrac posted...
Telling racist jokes isn't enough for me to consider someone seriously racist. Sometimes you just have a dark or otherwise fucked up sense of humor. Like, I don't think telling a stereotyical joke about irish people means you must actually hate irish people. I'd need to see more than just some jokes.
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MorbidFaithless
12/13/19 7:34:40 PM
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Luv 2 see nazi rhetoric

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Esrac
12/13/19 7:43:10 PM
#81:


vigorm0rtis posted...
Your thought. Try to keep up.

And I see you're also not familiar with the FCC.

The FCC can't moderate what private citizens post on the internet. Similarly, their reach is limited and enforcement eroded significantly over the year.
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Comfy_Pillow
12/13/19 7:43:39 PM
#82:


Somehow I doubt the "people doing stupid things deserve no sympathy/to be fucked by the government" folks here wouldn't be consistent at all with that view in different scenarios
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Collat
12/13/19 7:48:18 PM
#83:


Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dude is a straight up Nazi, and from what I know Britain cracks down on offensive content/hate speech.

Fuck him and his racist bullshit
No. That's the dog.
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Crazyman93
12/13/19 8:08:54 PM
#84:


Politics aside, he's spending way more than he fined to fight this. This is financially idiotic
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EvenSpoonier
12/13/19 8:15:05 PM
#85:


Crazyman93 posted...
Politics aside, he's spending way more than he fined to fight this. This is financially idiotic
Which is in line with the rest of hia behavior.

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Wewillrocku
12/13/19 8:16:41 PM
#86:


one wonders why the dog did it. he could have refused.

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Bio1590
12/13/19 8:20:33 PM
#87:


Why does everyone always argue over shit like this like it happened in the US
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corneliusmagus
12/13/19 8:21:25 PM
#88:


The guy is a racist and has embraced and endorsed far right politics, he's a prick and a joke isn't simply just a joke when it's rooted in an extreme and hateful ideology.
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GoodOlJr
12/13/19 8:21:55 PM
#89:


corneliusmagus posted...
endorsed far right politics


Such as?
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RebelElite791
12/13/19 8:22:22 PM
#90:


GoodOlJr posted...
Such as?
UKIP for starters

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corneliusmagus
12/13/19 8:22:49 PM
#91:


Bio1590 posted...
Why does everyone always argue over shit like this like it happened in the US
I don't know if you're aware but this isn't an Americans only board or website, so things happening around the world can be discussed and argued over.
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GoodOlJr
12/13/19 8:23:53 PM
#92:


RebelElite791 posted...

UKIP for starters


Maybe he was just pro brexit
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corneliusmagus
12/13/19 8:24:07 PM
#93:


GoodOlJr posted...
Such as?
Very publicly joined UKIP, has shared a platform with Tommy Robinson a man responsible for inciting numerous incidents of racist violence.
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GoodOlJr
12/13/19 8:25:15 PM
#94:


So he supported brexit, and didnt completely disavow some guy
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Bio1590
12/13/19 8:25:50 PM
#95:


corneliusmagus posted...

I don't know if you're aware but this isn't an Americans only board or website, so things happening around the world can be discussed and argued over.

Congrats for attempting a snarky response to a post that you clearly didn't understand when you read it.
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RebelElite791
12/13/19 8:28:40 PM
#97:


GoodOlJr posted...
So he supported brexit, and didnt completely disavow some guy
You don't stand side by side with people who are extreme bigots unless you condone or support them.

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008Zulu
12/13/19 8:29:49 PM
#98:


Will he be able to take it to the EU court with Brexit looking to happen? And would they even side with a person that taught his dog a Nazi salute?

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Timohtep
12/13/19 8:33:22 PM
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Shadow20201
12/13/19 8:34:58 PM
#100:


Crazyman93 posted...
Politics aside, he's spending way more than he fined to fight this. This is financially idiotic
It was legally unprecedented in a manner of speaking.

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Duck-Butter
12/13/19 9:01:26 PM
#101:


he did NOTHING-WRONG.we have the right to be racist if we want to.
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Darklit_Minuet
12/13/19 9:10:08 PM
#102:


MarqueeSeries posted...
It may have been a joke in poor taste, but it being a criminal act is a massive overreach of government power
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