Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 253: Scot Free

(+) Yeah! (+)

Just a matter of time at this point
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https://news.avclub.com/cringe-at-mayor-pete-declaring-he-is-100-that-nominee-1840410169

Mayor Pete has quickly become my most hated candidate.

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Are you talking about Scottish independence?

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I once had a nightmare that Pete won the nomination. Can't we get someone GOOD instead of someone "NOT THE WORST"?

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red sox 777 posted...

Are you talking about Scottish independence?

Why yes, Mr Holmes
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This seems like a very good idea:

https://twitter.com/rachaelmbade/status/1206282500303134727?s=21

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That idea has my full support.

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Rudy claims that Shokin is double Jesus, implying that Biden had him killed twice but he rose from the dead each time:

https://twitter.com/rudygiuliani/status/1206290920242647047?s=21

Dude is literally insane

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https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1206267270772772867

Figured this was worth posting here.

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KamikazePotato posted...

https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1206267270772772867

Figured this was worth posting here.

Bernie erasure continues.

From that same poll:

Trump v Bernie among Men: Trump +7
Trump v Bernie among Women: Bernie +18

Bernie beats both of them among women.

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Also to continue the pattern:

https://urbanandracialequity.org/2020presidentialscorecard/

The graphic at the top has Biden/Booker/Warren/Buttiegieg/Castro, the 7th, 2nd, 1st, 5th, and 3rd ranked on their graphic.

Bernie is 4th, and left out.

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At least five of Jeff Van Drew's staffers, unlike their boss, are willing to lose their job for their principles:

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1206371842593894401

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Rudy claims that Shokin is double Jesus, implying that Biden had him killed twice but he rose from the dead each time:

would definitely be burying the lede here if he's trying to portray this as a biden story

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LordoftheMorons posted...

At least five of Jeff Van Drew's staffers, unlike their boss, are willing to lose their job for their principles:

It's not even a deep red district. It was like Trump+2.

and doing this in a redistricting year.

All indications are that he personally does not want to impeach and saw dire primary polling on what would happen if he did not vote to impeach. IIRC he also tried to vote "no" on the Speaker vote back at the start of the year but I may be mixing him up with someone else.

also comedy moment of the year was the report that he asked the DCCC if they'd still support him if he changed parties

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xp1337 posted...

It's not even a deep red district. It was like Trump+2.

and doing this in a redistricting year.

All indications are that he personally does not want to impeach and saw dire primary polling on what would happen if he did not vote to impeach. IIRC he also tried to vote "no" on the Speaker vote back at the start of the year but I may be mixing him up with someone else.

also comedy moment of the year was the report that he asked the DCCC if they'd still support him if he changed parties

Given how much the DCCC loves moderate Republicans I'd say that was a completely reasonable question!

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xp1337 posted...

also comedy moment of the year was the report that he asked the DCCC if they'd still support him if he changed parties

Really? Lmao

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Really? Lmao

https://twitter.com/JonathanTamari/status/1206003473759821824

lmao

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Any Coheed & Cambria fans?

https://youtu.be/e19AZhSwyCs

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Watch this youtube stats nerd end centrist democrats about a minute in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYCIjFivxis

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https://twitter.com/mattbinder/status/1206346000211857409

tl;dr the New York Times cited a notorious anti-Bernie Twitter user to claim Cenk Uygur said David Duke was of course not a bigot. (It was obvious sarcasm and Cenk berated David for being anti-Semitic for minutes on end), and used this to attack Bernie for endorsing him.

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So the thing about the modern media (with the probable exception of Fox) is that they are utterly incompetent. Trump was absolutely correct that they worked hard to elect Hillary, and managed only to hurt her.

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That is an absolute joke of an article. Bernie is surging in basically every poll and then it is like "oh man here we go." Like, come on.

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Donald Trump retweets someone calling the FBI a criminal organization:
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1206590608586027013?s=21

Party of law and order!

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Well, Mr. President, if they are a criminal organization, good thing you have the power to make changes there. They all report to you and you can fire people there at will.

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Fiorina says Trump must be impeached:

https://twitter.com/zac_petkanas/status/1206608359841042434?s=21

And Bushs former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge says that what Trump did was an abuse of power:

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1206656367173390336?s=21

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Also might as well call it now that Trumps going to at least initially refuse to debate the Dem nominee (possibly reversing if the backlash for being a fucking coward is intense enough):

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1206581028283965441?s=21

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Trump will 100% debate the Democratic nominee. Why would he not? It's two hours that he gets to be on TV with a significant portion of the U.S. watching. His narcissism won't let him pass up an opportunity like that.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Fiorina says Trump must be impeached:

https://twitter.com/zac_petkanas/status/1206608359841042434?s=21

And Bushs former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge says that what Trump did was an abuse of power:

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1206656367173390336?s=21

Why do these matter? Neither of these people have any authority over anything and they're clearly not having any effect on actual people in the federal government.

LordoftheMorons posted...

Also might as well call it now that Trumps going to at least initially refuse to debate the Dem nominee (possibly reversing if the backlash for being a fucking coward is intense enough):

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1206581028283965441?s=21

Trump seemed to benefit from the debates with Hillary even though most people thought he did like shit, so this is weird. But if this actually goes through it seems like good news for Biden.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Trump seemed to benefit from the debates with Hillary even though most people thought he did like shit, so this is weird. But if this actually goes through it seems like good news for Biden.

No he didnt; the polls swung against him by a ton after the debates. Then he somehow shut up for the last two weeks and slowly gained back most of what he lost until he was close enough for the Comey letter to put him over the edge.

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In rewatching the Trump/Clinton debates it is clear that Trump won those debates.

But as far as refusing to debate, he will ultimately debate, but most likely he will get something for it because the Democrats and media are incompetent negotiators. This is classic Trump-style bargaining - abruptly announce that you will not do what you actually want to do unless you are paid for it. It will work because the media and Democrats will not call his bluff.

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Why would the Democrats care that Trump doesn't want to debate? That seems to be playing into their hands?
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Trump would probably get hurt either way, but it might be better for him to look like a coward than to decisively lose three debates.

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pyresword posted...

Why would the Democrats care that Trump doesn't want to debate? That seems to be playing into their hands?

Because the Democrats suffer from Trump derangement syndrome and have a tremendous need to oppose everything he does, even if it's good for them.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Trump would probably get hurt either way, but it might be better for him to look like a coward than to decisively lose three debates.

Would he actually lose debates against Biden though


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Yes, Trump will lose the debates against any of the Dems. Maybe not as decisively as he lost against Hillary depending on the candidate, but 1v1 Trump can't hide the fact that he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about on any issue.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Yes, Trump will lose the debates against any of the Dems. Maybe not as decisively as he lost against Hillary depending on the candidate, but 1v1 Trump can't hide the fact that he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about on any issue.

I suppose this is an issue on which we simply have a factual dispute. Where you look at the sky and see one color and I look at it and see another color. So there's probably no sense in talking about it, but I would suggest that you go back and watch those debates again and think about it from the point of view of someone with no preconceived notions about either DJT or HRC.

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Can't see Trump losing a debate versus Biden or Warren.

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I think the debates energize Trump's base no matter if he "wins" or "loses." That's what I meant by him benefiting regardless. If Biden and Trump both go up and look equally goofy, that's worse for Biden than it is for Trump.

We're past the point where Trump supporters are going to be dissuaded by him looking like an idiot during a debate. The only thing that could tank Trump to his base in a debate is if he had a mental breakdown or some other health-related debacle on stage. And maybe that's what they're trying to avoid.

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Corrik7 posted...

Can't see Trump losing a debate versus Biden or Warren.

Don't worry, we know you can't.

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Corrik7 posted...

Can't see Trump losing a debate versus Biden or Warren.

What would constitute losing a debate in your mind
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red sox 777 posted...

I suppose this is an issue on which we simply have a factual dispute. Where you look at the sky and see one color and I look at it and see another color. So there's probably no sense in talking about it, but I would suggest that you go back and watch those debates again and think about it from the point of view of someone with no preconceived notions about either DJT or HRC.

I mean, we literally have post-debate polling for all three debates that showed huge margins of people thought Clinton won

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Debates are really just situations where no one ever wins, theres just the possibility of losing.
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Jakyl25 posted...

What would constitute losing a debate in your mind

It is subjective. But, Biden can barely get thru random speeches let alone a debate against Trump. Warren's ideas are just too far left to hit with the average person and she lacks the charisma of Sanders.

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red sox 777 posted...

I suppose this is an issue on which we simply have a factual dispute. Where you look at the sky and see one color and I look at it and see another color. So there's probably no sense in talking about it, but I would suggest that you go back and watch those debates again and think about it from the point of view of someone with no preconceived notions about either DJT or HRC.

Im someone with huge negative preconceived notions about both who did not vote for either.

She destroyed him in Debates 1 and 3 and still comfortably won the townhall format in 2

Ironically given one of Trumps favorite insults, he clearly ran out of energy by the end of 1 and 3
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I remember the narrative after the 1st 2012 debate was that Romney scored a win, and then the other 2 were tossups (but Biden owned Ryan)

Can this be 3 elections in a row where the person who wins the debates loses the election? Probably
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Medicare 4 All polling at 64% with democrats/left leaning independents in the latest maristpoll. Love to see it.

92% support the green new deal!

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Jakyl25 posted...

Im someone with huge negative preconceived notions about both who did not vote for either.

She destroyed him in Debates 1 and 3 and still comfortably won the townhall format in 2

Ironically given one of Trumps favorite insults, he clearly ran out of energy by the end of 1 and 3

I came in with somewhat negative feelings about Trump and deeply negative feelings about Clinton and thought Trump won all the debates.

I hate the "town hall" format. That is not a debate, it's an opportunity for the media to ask misleading and downright bad questions and an invitation for the candidates to deliver canned soundbites in response to those questions.

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And winning a debate means increasing your odds of winning the election. Usually that's done by persuading undecided voters. Which also means that those polls showing more people thought Hillary did better in the debates were probably measuring the wrong thing - it could be people who were already Hillary supporters overwhelmingly thought she won the debates, while people who were already Trump supporters didn't say he won the debates to the same magnitude and Trump won among genuine* undecideds.

*A genuine undecided voter is someone who actually could vote either way. That's someone like Ulti or MWC who has voted for both parties before and could vote for either party in the future. It's not someone like your typical evangelical who will say they are undecided up until the last day when they will decide to vote Republican.....every single time.

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I mean, if Trump refuses to debate I'm pretty sure the Commission on Presidential Debates (which controls the debates) still holds it, it'd just be the Democratic nominee getting two hours of nationally televised speaking time.

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