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LordoftheMorons 12/19/19 4:20:39 PM #401:	red sox 777 posted... But procedurally it looks horrible. Especially since the Republicans have been harping on about not being allowed to call their witnesses for ages, and now it looks like the Democrats don't want a trial because the Republican witnesses would finally be allowed to testify. It would be like if the Trump DOJ charged Hillary Clinton with a bunch of crimes and then refused to prosecute her, trying to give her the permanent status of an indicted person. Mitch is arguing that there should be no witnesses --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:931809434] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>But procedurally it looks horrible. Especially since the Republicans have been harping on about not being allowed to call their witnesses for ages, and now it looks like the Democrats don't want a trial because the Republican witnesses would finally be allowed to testify. It would be like if the Trump DOJ charged Hillary Clinton with a bunch of crimes and then refused to prosecute her, trying to give her the permanent status of an indicted person.</quote>Mitch is arguing that there should be no witnesses </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 12/19/19 4:21:06 PM #402:	red sox 777 posted... But procedurally it looks horrible. Especially since the Republicans have been harping on about not being allowed to call their witnesses for ages, and now it looks like the Democrats don't want a trial because the Republican witnesses would finally be allowed to testify. It would be like if the Trump DOJ charged Hillary Clinton with a bunch of crimes and then refused to prosecute her, trying to give her the permanent status of an indicted person. You actually think theyll call witnesses? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:931809451] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>But procedurally it looks horrible. Especially since the Republicans have been harping on about not being allowed to call their witnesses for ages, and now it looks like the Democrats don't want a trial because the Republican witnesses would finally be allowed to testify. It would be like if the Trump DOJ charged Hillary Clinton with a bunch of crimes and then refused to prosecute her, trying to give her the permanent status of an indicted person.</quote> You actually think theyll call witnesses? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 12/19/19 4:21:47 PM #403:	For a change of pace, not that I imagine any of this comes to a surprise to anyone, the NYT got ahold of some data from a location data company that covered 12 million cellphones focused in a handful of cities like DC, NYC, and San Francisco over a period of a year and despite only having that small slice of data from a single company they showed what you could do with this information: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/19/opinion/location-tracking-cell-phone.html All of this information was "anonymized" but they explain it's laughably trivial to put names to these data points even with what they had - let alone to companies or actors who have access to other data sets to supplement it. They tracked a senior Defense Department official to the Women's March in DC, to an event with Obama in 2017, high schools, friends' houses, military bases. They could ID and track protestors at the inauguration. And the police present. They observed a Microsoft engineer, saw a change in his daily routine and saw he made a single visit to Amazon's Seattle campus and one month later he was working with Amazon. They could track journalists too and could see them on trips to motels. And of course once they ID someone, they could use the data to see what they were doing months before and after that point and basically map out their lives. And the entire industry is basically unregulated. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:931809477] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>For a change of pace, not that I imagine any of this comes to a surprise to anyone, the NYT got ahold of some data from a location data company that covered 12 million cellphones focused in a handful of cities like DC, NYC, and San Francisco over a period of a year and despite only having that small slice of data from a single company they showed what you could do with this information: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/19/opinion/location-tracking-cell-phone.html All of this information was "anonymized" but they explain it's laughably trivial to put names to these data points even with what they had - let alone to companies or actors who have access to other data sets to supplement it. They tracked a senior Defense Department official to the Women's March in DC, to an event with Obama in 2017, high schools, friends' houses, military bases. They could ID and track protestors at the inauguration. And the police present. They observed a Microsoft engineer, saw a change in his daily routine and saw he made a single visit to Amazon's Seattle campus and one month later he was working with Amazon. They could track journalists too and could see them on trips to motels. And of course once they ID someone, they could use the data to see what they were doing months before and after that point and basically map out their lives. And the entire industry is basically unregulated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Runemistress 12/19/19 4:25:50 PM #404:	red sox 777 posted... The 6th Amendment guarantees defendants the right to a speedy trial if they so choose, and the Senate could easily just adopt that. Given that Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham have both said (not just implied) that neither of them will be 'impartial jurors' and that this is 'not a judicial process', Mr. Trump and his allies would have difficulty arguing in court that Mr. Trump's 'right to a speedy trial' was violated. --- It's more like if you don't have to wait in line at Arby's because some dude stopped by and kidnapped all of the other customers. - MoogleKupo141 <cite>Runemistress posted [p:931809640] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>The 6th Amendment guarantees defendants the right to a speedy trial if they so choose, and the Senate could easily just adopt that.</quote> Given that Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham have both said (not just implied) that neither of them will be 'impartial jurors' and that this is 'not a judicial process', Mr. Trump and his allies would have difficulty arguing in court that Mr. Trump's 'right to a speedy trial' was violated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 4:27:01 PM #405:	If they plan to dismiss the case for failure to allege an impeachable offense, then they don't need witnesses. I'm not sure the Senate needs the House to formally present the charges to do that either. The articles of impeachment are public and the Senate can rule that as as matter of law, even if all the facts alleged therein are true an impeachable offense has not been charged. If the Senate isn't going to do that, I think there will need to be witnesses. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931809694] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>If they plan to dismiss the case for failure to allege an impeachable offense, then they don't need witnesses. I'm not sure the Senate needs the House to formally present the charges to do that either. The articles of impeachment are public and the Senate can rule that as as matter of law, even if all the facts alleged therein are true an impeachable offense has not been charged. If the Senate isn't going to do that, I think there will need to be witnesses. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 12/19/19 4:28:46 PM #406:	--- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:931809760] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 4:29:30 PM #407:	Runemistress posted... Given that Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham have both said (not just implied) that neither of them will be 'impartial jurors' and that this is 'not a judicial process', Mr. Trump and his allies would have difficulty arguing in court that Mr. Trump's 'right to a speedy trial' was violated. Trump won't ask in court. He'll ask in the Senate.....where, as you say, the majority can more or less make up rules. They can just say defendants get all of the rights normal criminal defendants get, but jurors don't have to be impartial. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931809799] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Runemistress posted... </cite> <quote>Given that Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham have both said (not just implied) that neither of them will be 'impartial jurors' and that this is 'not a judicial process', Mr. Trump and his allies would have difficulty arguing in court that Mr. Trump's 'right to a speedy trial' was violated.</quote> Trump won't ask in court. He'll ask in the Senate.....where, as you say, the majority can more or less make up rules. They can just say defendants get all of the rights normal criminal defendants get, but jurors don't have to be impartial. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Runemistress 12/19/19 4:31:35 PM #408:	red sox 777 posted... Trump won't ask in court. He'll ask in the Senate.....where, as you say, the majority can more or less make up rules. They can just say defendants get all of the rights normal criminal defendants get, but jurors don't have to be impartial. They can argue that, but good luck selling that in the court of public opinion. Especially in states with vulnerable senators. Which could very well include McConnell himself given his own lack of popularity, Matt Bevin's loss, and Matt Bevin's subsequent questionable pardons. --- It's more like if you don't have to wait in line at Arby's because some dude stopped by and kidnapped all of the other customers. - MoogleKupo141 <cite>Runemistress posted [p:931809872] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>Trump won't ask in court. He'll ask in the Senate.....where, as you say, the majority can more or less make up rules. They can just say defendants get all of the rights normal criminal defendants get, but jurors don't have to be impartial.</quote> They can argue that, but good luck selling that in the court of public opinion. Especially in states with vulnerable senators. Which could very well include McConnell himself given his own lack of popularity, Matt Bevin's loss, and Matt Bevin's subsequent questionable pardons. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 4:45:03 PM #409:	Runemistress posted... They can argue that, but good luck selling that in the court of public opinion. Especially in states with vulnerable senators. Which could very well include McConnell himself given his own lack of popularity, Matt Bevin's loss, and Matt Bevin's subsequent questionable pardons. If they just say they believe the President should get all normal due process protections I think that will be very easy to sell in the court of public opinion. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931810399] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Runemistress posted... </cite> <quote>They can argue that, but good luck selling that in the court of public opinion. Especially in states with vulnerable senators. Which could very well include McConnell himself given his own lack of popularity, Matt Bevin's loss, and Matt Bevin's subsequent questionable pardons.</quote> If they just say they believe the President should get all normal due process protections I think that will be very easy to sell in the court of public opinion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Runemistress 12/19/19 4:46:18 PM #410:	red sox 777 posted... If they just say they believe the President should get all normal due process protections I think that will be very easy to sell in the court of public opinion. Perhaps. But they've already shown they aren't smart enough to not say that they will be impartial jurors. Or rather I should say, Donald J. Trump's fragile ego hasn't allowed them to be smart enough to say that. I would not count on his ego to not derail his own chances further. --- It's more like if you don't have to wait in line at Arby's because some dude stopped by and kidnapped all of the other customers. - MoogleKupo141 <cite>Runemistress posted [p:931810436] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>If they just say they believe the President should get all normal due process protections I think that will be very easy to sell in the court of public opinion.</quote> Perhaps. But they've already shown they aren't smart enough to not say that they will be impartial jurors. Or rather I should say, Donald J. Trump's fragile ego hasn't allowed them to be smart enough to say that. I would not count on his ego to not derail his own chances further. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 12/19/19 5:37:30 PM #411:	https://twitter.com/timothypmurphy/status/1207757970039345156?s=21 --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:931812592] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/timothypmurphy/status/1207757970039345156?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 12/19/19 5:40:40 PM #412:	https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/1207788960560406528?s=21 --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:931812721] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/1207788960560406528?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 5:42:47 PM #413:	Runemistress posted... Perhaps. But they've already shown they aren't smart enough to not say that they will be impartial jurors. Or rather I should say, Donald J. Trump's fragile ego hasn't allowed them to be smart enough to say that. I would not count on his ego to not derail his own chances further. Lindsey Graham, I'd agree, but Mitch McConnell is very smart and I would believe that he has everything planned out. DJT too - remember that the man has been a party to something like 4,000 lawsuits. If there's one thing Trump knows how to do, it's how to get off scot-free from a lawsuit where the facts show that he was clearly in the wrong. His strategies may seem strange, but they've worked over a lifetime, and, probably big reason for his success is that he is good at getting people to underestimate him. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931812814] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Runemistress posted... </cite> <quote>Perhaps. But they've already shown they aren't smart enough to not say that they will be impartial jurors. Or rather I should say, Donald J. Trump's fragile ego hasn't allowed them to be smart enough to say that. I would not count on his ego to not derail his own chances further.</quote> Lindsey Graham, I'd agree, but Mitch McConnell is very smart and I would believe that he has everything planned out. DJT too - remember that the man has been a party to something like 4,000 lawsuits. If there's one thing Trump knows how to do, it's how to get off scot-free from a lawsuit where the facts show that he was clearly in the wrong. His strategies may seem strange, but they've worked over a lifetime, and, probably big reason for his success is that he is good at getting people to underestimate him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 12/19/19 6:06:22 PM #414:	https://civiqs.com/documents/Civiqs_ISU_banner_book_2019_12.pdf 2. If the Democratic Caucuses were held today, which one of the following candidateswould be your first choice? Pete Buttigieg, mayor of South Bend, Indiana 24% Bernie Sanders, U.S. senator from Vermont 21% Elizabeth Warren, U.S. senator from Massachusetts 18% Joe Biden, former vice president of the United States 15% Iowa, can't you be cool for just like one week, come on man, please. Do the right thing here, Iowa. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:931813750] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>https://civiqs.com/documents/Civiqs_ISU_banner_book_2019_12.pdf <quote>2. If the Democratic Caucuses were held today, which one of the following candidateswould be your first choice? Pete Buttigieg, mayor of South Bend, Indiana 24% Bernie Sanders, U.S. senator from Vermont 21% Elizabeth Warren, U.S. senator from Massachusetts 18% Joe Biden, former vice president of the United States 15%</quote> Iowa, can't you be cool for just like one week, come on man, please. Do the right thing here, Iowa. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 12/19/19 6:09:10 PM #415:	It feels good to see Biden falling, even if it means an actual ghoul has moved into contention. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:931813862] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>It feels good to see Biden falling, even if it means an actual ghoul has moved into contention. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 12/19/19 6:09:14 PM #416:	Suprak the Stud posted... Do the right thing here, Iowa. stop being the first state to vote? --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:931813868] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted... </cite> <quote>Do the right thing here, Iowa.</quote>stop being the first state to vote? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 12/19/19 6:38:04 PM #417:	Suprak the Stud posted... https://civiqs.com/documents/Civiqs_ISU_banner_book_2019_12.pdf Iowa, can't you be cool for just like one week, come on man, please. Do the right thing here, Iowa. Iowa gave us Seth Rollins. Iowa can't be cool. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:931814991] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted... </cite> <quote>https://civiqs.com/documents/Civiqs_ISU_banner_book_2019_12.pdf Iowa, can't you be cool for just like one week, come on man, please. Do the right thing here, Iowa.</quote>Iowa gave us Seth Rollins. Iowa can't be cool. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 12/19/19 6:39:26 PM #418:	So what you're saying is that we should... burn it down? --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:931815053] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>So what you're saying is that we should... burn it down? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 12/19/19 6:40:51 PM #419:	laughs nasally --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:931815115] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>laughs nasally </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/19/19 6:43:35 PM #420:	Speaking of Iowa, Castro has come up with the incredible Iowa strategy of telling Iowa to fuck off https://twitter.com/JulianCastro/status/1207664724755636224?s=19 You love to see it --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:931815211] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Speaking of Iowa, Castro has come up with the incredible Iowa strategy of telling Iowa to fuck off https://twitter.com/JulianCastro/status/1207664724755636224?s=19 You love to see it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 12/19/19 6:54:42 PM #421:	https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/1207740858587439104 Pennsylvania's Supreme Court struck down the GOP's congressional gerrymander. So naturally the PA GOP is advancing a constitutional amendment to effectively gerrymander the PA judiciary by electing judges by district instead of statewide. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:931815623] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/1207740858587439104 Pennsylvania's Supreme Court struck down the GOP's congressional gerrymander. So naturally the PA GOP is advancing a constitutional amendment to effectively gerrymander the PA judiciary by electing judges by district instead of statewide. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 12/19/19 6:56:30 PM #422:	https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/19/court-awards-80-million-to-consumer-attorneys-in-equifax-case.html Put Equifax out of business pls (And TransUnion/Experian/the lawyers involved in this case while we're at it) Genuinely disgusted <cite>Reg posted [p:931815697] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/19/court-awards-80-million-to-consumer-attorneys-in-equifax-case.html Put Equifax out of business pls (And TransUnion/Experian/the lawyers involved in this case while we're at it) Genuinely disgusted </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 6:57:48 PM #423:	xp1337 posted... https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/1207740858587439104 Pennsylvania's Supreme Court struck down the GOP's congressional gerrymander. So naturally the PA GOP is advancing a constitutional amendment to effectively gerrymander the PA judiciary by electing judges by district instead of statewide. About time. Everything should be elected with first past the post single member districts based on geography. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931815742] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/1207740858587439104 Pennsylvania's Supreme Court struck down the GOP's congressional gerrymander. So naturally the PA GOP is advancing a constitutional amendment to effectively gerrymander the PA judiciary by electing judges by district instead of statewide.</quote> About time. Everything should be elected with first past the post single member districts based on geography. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 12/19/19 7:32:24 PM #424:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... It feels good to see Biden falling, even if it means an actual ghoul has moved into contention. Biden isn't really "falling" though as he has been hovering around that percentage forever in Iowa. It is Warren that has been in a nosedive for a while now. You would hope Bernie would pick up those votes but they instead seem to be going to Mayor "guy cosplaying as John Jackson/Jack Johnson that accidentally wandered onto the actual debate stage" Pete. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:931817061] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>It feels good to see Biden falling, even if it means an actual ghoul has moved into contention.</quote> Biden isn't really "falling" though as he has been hovering around that percentage forever in Iowa. It is Warren that has been in a nosedive for a while now. You would hope Bernie would pick up those votes but they instead seem to be going to Mayor "guy cosplaying as John Jackson/Jack Johnson that accidentally wandered onto the actual debate stage" Pete. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 7:34:12 PM #425:	Honestly, given how much liberals in this topic dislike him, Mayor Pete might actually be able to win against Trump. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931817115] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, given how much liberals in this topic dislike him, Mayor Pete might actually be able to win against Trump. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/19/19 7:37:58 PM #426:	red sox 777 posted... Honestly, given how much liberals in this topic dislike him, Mayor Pete might actually be able to win against Trump. Liberals love Pete. That doesn't mean the left, the working class, or independents will. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:931817242] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>Honestly, given how much liberals in this topic dislike him, Mayor Pete might actually be able to win against Trump.</quote> Liberals love Pete. That doesn't mean the left, the working class, or independents will. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Runemistress 12/19/19 7:41:55 PM #427:	red sox 777 posted... Lindsey Graham, I'd agree, but Mitch McConnell is very smart and I would believe that he has everything planned out. DJT too - remember that the man has been a party to something like 4,000 lawsuits. If there's one thing Trump knows how to do, it's how to get off scot-free from a lawsuit where the facts show that he was clearly in the wrong. His strategies may seem strange, but they've worked over a lifetime, and, probably big reason for his success is that he is good at getting people to underestimate him. Mr. Trump actually isn't particularly good at getting off scot-free from lawsuits. Look at Trump University and the more recent case where he took money from a Veteran's charity. You can't look at raw numbers and say "Look, he's good at it!" That'd be a mistake. (And one MItch McConnell may very well have made in his calculations.) I don't think Mitch McConnell is particularly smart, either. Like Mr. Trump, he is brazen. He lacks shame, and is willing to do anything to win. But I wouldn't mistake that for him having some sort of plan. He wanted to overturn the Affordable Care Act, and despite controlling the house, the senate, and the white house, he was unable to get it done. I don't think McConnell knows how to play the long game. (And I don't think he cares to learn, given that he's 77 years old.) --- It's more like if you don't have to wait in line at Arby's because some dude stopped by and kidnapped all of the other customers. - MoogleKupo141 <cite>Runemistress posted [p:931817380] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>Lindsey Graham, I'd agree, but Mitch McConnell is very smart and I would believe that he has everything planned out. DJT too - remember that the man has been a party to something like 4,000 lawsuits. If there's one thing Trump knows how to do, it's how to get off scot-free from a lawsuit where the facts show that he was clearly in the wrong. His strategies may seem strange, but they've worked over a lifetime, and, probably big reason for his success is that he is good at getting people to underestimate him.</quote> Mr. Trump actually isn't particularly good at getting off scot-free from lawsuits. Look at Trump University and the more recent case where he took money from a Veteran's charity. You can't look at raw numbers and say "Look, he's good at it!" That'd be a mistake. (And one MItch McConnell may very well have made in his calculations.) I don't think Mitch McConnell is particularly smart, either. Like Mr. Trump, he is brazen. He lacks shame, and is willing to do anything to win. But I wouldn't mistake that for him having some sort of plan. He wanted to overturn the Affordable Care Act, and despite controlling the house, the senate, and the white house, he was unable to get it done. I don't think McConnell knows how to play the long game. (And I don't think he cares to learn, given that he's 77 years old.) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 7:42:52 PM #428:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Liberals love Pete. That doesn't mean the left, the working class, or independents will. Not from what I can tell. Independents love him, and the working class could be persuaded to vote for him if they see how much liberals hate him. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931817417] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>Liberals love Pete. That doesn't mean the left, the working class, or independents will.</quote> Not from what I can tell. Independents love him, and the working class could be persuaded to vote for him if they see how much liberals hate him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 7:45:07 PM #429:	Runemistress posted... Mr. Trump actually isn't particularly good at getting off scot-free from lawsuits. Look at Trump University and the more recent case where he took money from a Veteran's charity. You can't look at raw numbers and say "Look, he's good at it!" That'd be a mistake. (And one MItch McConnell may very well have made in his calculations.) I don't think Mitch McConnell is particularly smart, either. Like Mr. Trump, he is brazen. He lacks shame, and is willing to do anything to win. But I wouldn't mistake that for him having some sort of plan. He wanted to overturn the Affordable Care Act, and despite controlling the house, the senate, and the white house, he was unable to get it done. I don't think McConnell knows how to play the long game. (And I don't think he cares to learn, given that he's 77 years old.) As far as the Trump University case goes, he paid out $25 million for defrauding what, tens of thousands of students? Those students probably got back pennies on the dollar of what they paid to Trump University, after their class counsel's attorney's fees were paid. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931817486] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Runemistress posted... </cite> <quote>Mr. Trump actually isn't particularly good at getting off scot-free from lawsuits. Look at Trump University and the more recent case where he took money from a Veteran's charity. You can't look at raw numbers and say "Look, he's good at it!" That'd be a mistake. (And one MItch McConnell may very well have made in his calculations.) I don't think Mitch McConnell is particularly smart, either. Like Mr. Trump, he is brazen. He lacks shame, and is willing to do anything to win. But I wouldn't mistake that for him having some sort of plan. He wanted to overturn the Affordable Care Act, and despite controlling the house, the senate, and the white house, he was unable to get it done. I don't think McConnell knows how to play the long game. (And I don't think he cares to learn, given that he's 77 years old.)</quote> As far as the Trump University case goes, he paid out $25 million for defrauding what, tens of thousands of students? Those students probably got back pennies on the dollar of what they paid to Trump University, after their class counsel's attorney's fees were paid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Runemistress 12/19/19 7:54:04 PM #430:	red sox 777 posted... As far as the Trump University case goes, he paid out $25 million for defrauding what, tens of thousands of students? Those students probably got back pennies on the dollar of what they paid to Trump University, after their class counsel's attorney's fees were paid. The class counsel's attorneys waived their fees for the class action suit, working pro bono. Former students have been able to get up to 90% of the money back from what they spent on courses. Donald Trump is particularly good at conning people -- he seems to have conned you, for example, into thinking he's a good businessman capable of winning lawsuits easily. But a lot of his image is nothing more than, like his college, a fraud. --- It's more like if you don't have to wait in line at Arby's because some dude stopped by and kidnapped all of the other customers. - MoogleKupo141 <cite>Runemistress posted [p:931817793] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>As far as the Trump University case goes, he paid out $25 million for defrauding what, tens of thousands of students? Those students probably got back pennies on the dollar of what they paid to Trump University, after their class counsel's attorney's fees were paid.</quote> The class counsel's attorneys waived their fees for the class action suit, working pro bono. Former students have been able to get up to 90% of the money back from what they spent on courses. Donald Trump is particularly good at conning people -- he seems to have conned you, for example, into thinking he's a good businessman capable of winning lawsuits easily. But a lot of his image is nothing more than, like his college, a fraud. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 8:06:31 PM #431:	Runemistress posted... The class counsel's attorneys waived their fees for the class action suit, working pro bono. Former students have been able to get up to 90% of the money back from what they spent on courses. Donald Trump is particularly good at conning people -- he seems to have conned you, for example, into thinking he's a good businessman capable of winning lawsuits easily. But a lot of his image is nothing more than, like his college, a fraud. So the students were largely reimbursed because their attorneys were willing to work for free? That has nothing to do really with Trump's skill in defending lawsuits. As for getting back 90% after a decade - that's not being made whole. That doesn't cover the time spent, the expectation the students were promised of riches, and most importantly, a decade of investment returns. If Trump put that tuition money into an index fund he probably ended up with a profit of around 100% of the original tuition. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931818293] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Runemistress posted... </cite> <quote>The class counsel's attorneys waived their fees for the class action suit, working pro bono. Former students have been able to get up to 90% of the money back from what they spent on courses. Donald Trump is particularly good at conning people -- he seems to have conned you, for example, into thinking he's a good businessman capable of winning lawsuits easily. But a lot of his image is nothing more than, like his college, a fraud.</quote> So the students were largely reimbursed because their attorneys were willing to work for free? That has nothing to do really with Trump's skill in defending lawsuits. As for getting back 90% after a decade - that's not being made whole. That doesn't cover the time spent, the expectation the students were promised of riches, and most importantly, a decade of investment returns. If Trump put that tuition money into an index fund he probably ended up with a profit of around 100% of the original tuition. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 12/19/19 8:10:03 PM #432:	I don't think Mitch is necessarily bad at the long game. I think he's correctly made the calculation that the Republican ideology is inherently doomed in the long game unless he can perform well enough in the short-term to sufficiently warp the system such that they can't be removed from power. --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever <cite>pyresword posted [p:931818434] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>I don't think Mitch is necessarily bad at the long game. I think he's correctly made the calculation that the Republican ideology is inherently doomed in the long game unless he can perform well enough in the short-term to sufficiently warp the system such that they can't be removed from power.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Runemistress 12/19/19 8:11:14 PM #433:	red sox 777 posted... So the students were largely reimbursed because their attorneys were willing to work for free? That has nothing to do really with Trump's skill in defending lawsuits. As for getting back 90% after a decade - that's not being made whole. That doesn't cover the time spent, the expectation the students were promised of riches, and most importantly, a decade of investment returns. If Trump put that tuition money into an index fund he probably ended up with a profit of around 100% of the original tuition. Yes, we've established that he's a good conman and that our laws need to work less in favor of said conmen. But that doesn't make Trump particularly good with defending lawsuits. Any wins he makes are a result of the system, not of anything Mr. Trump himself is responsible for. Anybody could theoretically do what he does as long as they lacked a conscience. It's not even that hard. --- It's more like if you don't have to wait in line at Arby's because some dude stopped by and kidnapped all of the other customers. - MoogleKupo141 <cite>Runemistress posted [p:931818477] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote> So the students were largely reimbursed because their attorneys were willing to work for free? That has nothing to do really with Trump's skill in defending lawsuits. As for getting back 90% after a decade - that's not being made whole. That doesn't cover the time spent, the expectation the students were promised of riches, and most importantly, a decade of investment returns. If Trump put that tuition money into an index fund he probably ended up with a profit of around 100% of the original tuition.</quote> Yes, we've established that he's a good conman and that our laws need to work less in favor of said conmen. But that doesn't make Trump particularly good with defending lawsuits. Any wins he makes are a result of the system, not of anything Mr. Trump himself is responsible for. Anybody could theoretically do what he does as long as they lacked a conscience. It's not even that hard. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 12/19/19 8:11:30 PM #434:	lmao the moderator messed up Yang. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:931818489] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>lmao the moderator messed up Yang. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 12/19/19 8:15:20 PM #435:	red sox 777 posted... It's Trump. You have to tone down all rhetoric by 90%. So replace "declared open war" with "sent a letter threatening to sue in small claims court." I'm okay with this. "I'll be the best president ever" turns into "I'll be better than maybe four presidents" --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:931818661] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>It's Trump. You have to tone down all rhetoric by 90%. So replace "declared open war" with "sent a letter threatening to sue in small claims court."</quote> I'm okay with this. "I'll be the best president ever" turns into "I'll be better than maybe four presidents" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 12/19/19 8:35:06 PM #436:	Don't get the Yang love. His healthcare plan is worse than Biden's. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:931819417] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Don't get the Yang love. His healthcare plan is worse than Biden's. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 12/19/19 8:36:22 PM #437:	This debate is so boring. Everyone is just saying progressive things to lesser degrees zzz --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:931819465] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>This debate is so boring. Everyone is just saying progressive things to lesser degrees zzz </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/19/19 8:51:14 PM #438:	dont worry they'll eventually get to healthcare and people will start tearing into each other it's the worst --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:931820042] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>dont worry they'll eventually get to healthcare and people will start tearing into each other it's the worst </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 12/19/19 8:56:44 PM #439:	Dancedreamer posted... Don't get the Yang love. His healthcare plan is worse than Biden's. As a Yang supporter, I agree, his health plan is not the most comprehensive. But there is more than just one issue in play and I think Yang's proposals will overall lead to the greatest increase to quality of life. --- ~C~ FD https://imgur.com/dGDfxaw <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:931820262] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Dancedreamer posted... </cite> <quote>Don't get the Yang love. His healthcare plan is worse than Biden's.</quote> As a Yang supporter, I agree, his health plan is not the most comprehensive. But there is more than just one issue in play and I think Yang's proposals will overall lead to the greatest increase to quality of life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 12/19/19 9:00:26 PM #440:	Forceful_Dragon posted... As a Yang supporter, I agree, his health plan is not the most comprehensive. But there is more than just one issue in play and I think Yang's proposals will overall lead to the greatest increase to quality of life. Who is your second choice --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:931820413] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Forceful_Dragon posted... </cite> <quote>As a Yang supporter, I agree, his health plan is not the most comprehensive. But there is more than just one issue in play and I think Yang's proposals will overall lead to the greatest increase to quality of life.</quote> Who is your second choice </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 12/19/19 9:14:33 PM #441:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Who is your second choice Warren and/or Bernie. I don't see a substantive difference without getting into the minute details. --- ~C~ FD https://imgur.com/dGDfxaw <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:931820962] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>Who is your second choice</quote> Warren and/or Bernie. I don't see a substantive difference without getting into the minute details. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 12/19/19 9:15:23 PM #442:	Forceful_Dragon posted... Warren and/or Bernie. I don't see a substantive difference without getting into the minute details. Oh boy do I have a conversation for you. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:931820995] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Forceful_Dragon posted... </cite> <quote>Warren and/or Bernie. I don't see a substantive difference without getting into the minute details.</quote> Oh boy do I have a conversation for you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 12/19/19 9:26:40 PM #443:	red sox 777 posted... Not from what I can tell. Independents love him, and the working class could be persuaded to vote for him if they see how much liberals hate him. Why do you not know what Liberals or Independents are? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:931821464] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>Not from what I can tell. Independents love him, and the working class could be persuaded to vote for him if they see how much liberals hate him.</quote> Why do you not know what Liberals or Independents are? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 12/19/19 9:27:33 PM #444:	Bernie just ended Pete's campaign lmao --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:931821502] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Bernie just ended Pete's campaign lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 12/19/19 9:28:08 PM #445:	Pete really is the smuggest of all dickheads. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:931821534] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Pete really is the smuggest of all dickheads. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/19/19 9:36:40 PM #446:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Why do you not know what Liberals or Independents are? Liberals are bad and independents are good. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931821899] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Why do you not know what Liberals or Independents are?</quote> Liberals are bad and independents are good. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 12/19/19 9:40:28 PM #447:	I just found out about #neverbernie on Twitter trying to find out what Chris and Inviso were referring to, and boy if it isn't the most scumfuck pretentious-ass group of people I've ever seen. https://twitter.com/hashtag/neverbernie?lang=en --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:931822065] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>I just found out about #neverbernie on Twitter trying to find out what Chris and Inviso were referring to, and boy if it isn't the most scumfuck pretentious-ass group of people I've ever seen. https://twitter.com/hashtag/neverbernie?lang=en </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 12/19/19 9:53:19 PM #448:	the stupid rich guy sidetracking a question to talk about super rich people is hilariously awful. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:931822587] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>the stupid rich guy sidetracking a question to talk about super rich people is hilariously awful. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 12/19/19 9:55:38 PM #449:	I dont know why Klobuchar hasnt made more inroads with the moderate part of the democratic electorate. She seems leagues better than Biden and Buttigieg and also I like how much shes been dunking on Buttigieg this debate. Like between her and Biden and Buttigieg I feel like she easily looks like the best candidate and would probably be the only Id trust to hold their own in the debates. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:931822671] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>I dont know why Klobuchar hasnt made more inroads with the moderate part of the democratic electorate. She seems leagues better than Biden and Buttigieg and also I like how much shes been dunking on Buttigieg this debate. Like between her and Biden and Buttigieg I feel like she easily looks like the best candidate and would probably be the only Id trust to hold their own in the debates. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/19/19 9:57:05 PM #450:	Burning the US flag is protected speech. On the other hand... https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/475333-iowa-man-sentenced-to-16-years-for-hate-crime-after-setting-pride-flag --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - https://imgur.com/W66HUUy http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:931822720] in Politics C... [t:78255846]...</cite> <quote>Burning the US flag is protected speech. On the other hand... https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/475333-iowa-man-sentenced-to-16-years-for-hate-crime-after-setting-pride-flag </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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