Current Events > In the past two days, I rewatched The Last Jedi and The Phantom Menace.

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au_gold
12/19/19 1:28:57 AM
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For all the issues I have with TLJ, at least stuff was happening. I didnt like a lot of it, but shit, Phantom Menace was such a slog.

Honestly, Im struggling to think of a single good thing about it aside from the music.

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Gobstoppers12
12/19/19 1:30:01 AM
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TPM has two things going for it:

The Pod Race, and Darth Maul (including the music for his fight)

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InfinityMonster
12/19/19 1:30:46 AM
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Now all you need to watch is Attack of the Clones and you'd have seen the 3 worst Star Wars movies back to back.

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au_gold
12/19/19 1:40:46 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
TPM has two things going for it:

The Pod Race, and Darth Maul (including the music for his fight)
I always shared this opinion, but this time, all I can think about during the pod race was how many fond memories I have from the N64 game. Narratively, it serves no purpose.

I mean, I guess it shows that Anakin is a good pilot, but everything he does later in the movie happens completely by accident.

Ill be watching AotC tomorrow.

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Shablagoo
12/19/19 1:43:16 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Darth Maul (including the music for his fight)

Btw, how did Obi Wan not beat Maul? He had the high ground.

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evil_zombie11
12/19/19 1:46:15 AM
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maul should've been around for all three movies he was that cool.

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Rhylos
12/19/19 1:52:38 AM
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Obi Wan wins when there's an elevation difference. Against Maul, Grievous, and Anakin he was either high or low, so he wins. Against Dooku and Vader he was on even ground, so he loses.
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Shablagoo
12/19/19 1:55:28 AM
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Rhylos posted...
Obi Wan wins when there's an elevation difference. Against Maul, Grievous, and Anakin he was either high or low, so he wins. Against Dooku and Vader he was on even ground, so he loses.

xD

Its over, Anakin! Our respective elevations are incongruent!


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au_gold
12/19/19 1:56:26 AM
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He looked really cool, yeah. Too bad he had no character whatsoever.

Even though Ive seen the movie countless times, Im still surprised every time he speaks. He has like two lines of inane dialogue for some reason.

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Shablagoo
12/19/19 1:57:27 AM
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au_gold posted...
He looked really cool, yeah. Too bad he had no character whatsoever.

Even though Ive seen the movie countless times, Im still surprised every time he speaks. He has like two lines of inane dialogue for some reason.

Honestly forgot he ever spoke and figured that was a retcon when he did in other media lol

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au_gold
12/19/19 2:05:41 AM
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He has one line on Coruscant where hes talking to Palpatine about getting revenge on the Jedi or something. And his other line is literally: Yes, my master.

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Shablagoo
12/19/19 2:10:39 AM
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sounded p cool tbh

https://youtu.be/gug3R-bKt9U

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au_gold
12/19/19 2:15:13 AM
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Yeah. Can you imagine how much better the movie wouldve been if they developed him as a villain?

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Kolibri X
12/19/19 2:18:01 AM
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It at least had world building and introduced some cool things into Star Wars. Got a cool pod racing video game from it, droid army, double bladed light sabers, Qui Gon, who was probably the least cringe jedi in all of Star Wars.

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Fantastein
12/19/19 2:22:39 AM
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I was actually just reading the other day that they originally cast Benicio Del Toro as Darth Maul, who specifically quit the role BECAUSE of how few lines he had.

So yeah, shame.

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au_gold
12/19/19 2:30:50 AM
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Thats interesting. Too bad Benicio would later go on to play one of the worst characters in Star Wars with an embarrassing speech impediment.

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DeadBankerDream
12/19/19 2:34:42 AM
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au_gold posted...
For all the issues I have with TLJ, at least stuff was happening.

I disagree.

In fact, that's one of my main issues with it.
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Parappa09
12/19/19 2:44:21 AM
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if you got rid of jar jar, TPM is a fantastic top tier film

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DoctorVader
12/19/19 2:48:26 AM
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OT>RotS>TFA>TPM>RO

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au_gold
12/19/19 2:49:02 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
I disagree.

In fact, that's one of my main issues with it.

I mean, theres the Luke stuff, Rey and Kylo, Snoke, and... I guess thats it because I vehemently hate Poe and Finns subplots.

But compare that to Phantom Menace which has boring political dialogue delivered awkwardly in nearly every scene, a whiny kid, and Jar Jar Binks.

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dave_is_slick
12/19/19 3:00:24 AM
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au_gold posted...
at least stuff was happening.
Like fucking what???

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au_gold
12/19/19 3:06:19 AM
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Did you not see the previous post? Maybe nothing was happening narratively, but characters were being developed in some way.

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dave_is_slick
12/19/19 3:08:05 AM
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au_gold posted...
Maybe nothing was happening narratively, but characters were being developed in some way.
Nothing happened character wise either though!

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ledbowman
12/19/19 3:08:49 AM
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au_gold posted...
Did you not see the previous post? Maybe nothing was happening narratively, but characters were being developed in some way.

Don't let them gaslight you. Of course stuff was happening. One of the most common complaints was it did too much

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dave_is_slick
12/19/19 3:12:49 AM
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ledbowman posted...
One of the most common complaints was it did too much
No it fucking wasn't. One of the most common complaint was that nothing happened.

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ledbowman
12/19/19 3:14:59 AM
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dave_is_slick posted...
No it fucking wasn't. One of the most common complaint was that nothing happened.

Lol ok

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au_gold
12/19/19 3:17:23 AM
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ledbowman posted...
Don't let them gaslight you. Of course stuff was happening. One of the most common complaints was it did too much
I assume hes referring to the fact that all the characters are in the same place at the end of the film as they were in the beginning, which I mostly agree with. Except they were developing a very cool dynamic between Rey and Kylo, until they immediately abandoned it in the last 20 minutes.

I dislike them both for different reasons, but The Last Jedi wasnt putting me to sleep I guess is what Im saying.

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BruceWayneJr
12/19/19 3:17:33 AM
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dave_is_slick posted...
Nothing happened character wise either though!

What part of "the Luke stuff, Rey and Kylo, Snoke" do you not understand? How could TC possibly be any more specific with his criticism?!

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dave_is_slick
12/19/19 3:20:31 AM
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ledbowman posted...
Lol ok
Look I get it, if you don't shill, you don't get paid. In a way, I feel sorry for you and others like you.

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ledbowman
12/19/19 3:20:45 AM
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au_gold posted...
the fact that all the characters are in the same place at the end of the film as they were in the beginning

They're not though

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au_gold
12/19/19 3:27:10 AM
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ledbowman posted...
They're not though
Aside from Poe, I cant think of any main characters that had a proper arc. Rey learned to be more cynical, I guess?

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Shablagoo
12/19/19 3:29:07 AM
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TC have you watched The Mandalorian yet?

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BakonBitz
12/19/19 3:32:15 AM
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au_gold posted...
I dislike them both for different reasons, but The Last Jedi wasnt putting me to sleep I guess is what Im saying.
This is essentially my stance. The Last Jedi didn't nearly put me to sleep like Attack of the Clones did, so therefore TLJ is better.

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au_gold
12/19/19 3:32:27 AM
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I saw the first two episodes. Its pretty good so far.

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ledbowman
12/19/19 3:33:54 AM
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au_gold posted...
Aside from Poe, I cant think of any main characters that had a proper arc. Rey learned to be more cynical, I guess?

Seriously? Not trying to be cute, i just have a hard time believing that's really the only character progression you can think of. Like damn

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creativerealms
12/19/19 3:34:29 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
Honestly forgot he ever spoke and figured that was a retcon when he did in other media lol
He talks way too much in the cartoons. I would be fine if he had a couple lines here and there but he doesn't shut up in the cartoons.

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au_gold
12/19/19 3:38:05 AM
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ledbowman posted...
Seriously? Not trying to be cute, i just have a hard time believing that's really the only character progression you can think of. Like damn
Aside from the obvious Luke, yeah. You could always just say which characters you think had an arc and why.

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ledbowman
12/19/19 3:46:00 AM
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au_gold posted...
Aside from the obvious Luke, yeah. You could always just say which characters you think had an arc and why.

Off the top of my head. By the end of the movie rey has become the last jedi, kylo has become the supreme leader, finn has learned to fight for a higher purpose. Not exactly where they started off

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dave_is_slick
12/19/19 3:48:53 AM
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ledbowman posted...
Off the top of my head. By the end of the movie rey has become the last jedi, kylo has become the supreme leader, finn has learned to fight for a higher purpose. Not exactly where they started off
Now explain how their characters actually changed. Because what you just listed are merely things that happened not due to any growth whatsoever. And I can't believe you fell for Finn having literally the exact same arc as TFA. You're hopeless.

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evil_zombie11
12/19/19 4:01:06 AM
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ledbowman posted...
Off the top of my head. By the end of the movie rey has become the last jedi, kylo has become the supreme leader, finn has learned to fight for a higher purpose. Not exactly where they started off

He said "she's the last Jedi" as an argument

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ledbowman
12/19/19 4:05:32 AM
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dave_is_slick posted...
Now explain how their characters actually changed. Because what you just listed are merely things that happened not due to any growth whatsoever. And I can't believe you fell for Finn having literally the exact same arc as TFA. You're hopeless.

Rey went from begging Luke to "show her her place" to reminding him who he is and to snap out of it before taking charge herself. Kylo was clearly guilty and split until he doubled down. Finn only cared about Rey and getting back at the First Order until the end of TLJ when Rose shows him the entire Resistance needs him. I'm sure you'll hand wave this but whatever

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au_gold
12/20/19 10:14:30 PM
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The main problem I have is that, after two movies, I still hardly know Rey or Finn as characters. In the OT, we got to know all three main characters completely before the third act of the first movie.

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Tired-Insomniac
12/20/19 10:18:20 PM
#44:


BakonBitz posted...
This is essentially my stance. The Last Jedi didn't nearly put me to sleep like Attack of the Clones did, so therefore TLJ is better.

I wish Attack of the Clones was way more about Detective Kenobi

All of his scenes were great


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Purely
12/20/19 10:32:32 PM
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I'm watching TLJ and it's good. Definitely a lot better than TFA which was useless garbage.
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au_gold
12/20/19 11:02:29 PM
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Purely posted...
I'm watching TLJ and it's good. Definitely a lot better than TFA which was useless garbage.
How was TFA useless garbage?

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Purely
12/20/19 11:04:39 PM
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au_gold posted...
How was TFA useless garbage?

It's a lousy remake where nothing at all exciting happens. It's a piece of shit.
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au_gold
12/20/19 11:18:04 PM
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I dont know. I see a lot people saying how shit TFA is just because its a reboot, which was the whole point.

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Tired-Insomniac
12/21/19 1:01:04 AM
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Purely posted...
It's a lousy remake where nothing at all exciting happens. It's a piece of shit.

We get to see Chewbacca fuck shit up quite a bit, I liked that.

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Purely
12/21/19 1:06:56 AM
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So yeah I think The Last Jedi is really good. I don't know what all the hate is about. A lot of exciting shit happens. It mirrors Empire in a good way while still being its own thing whereas TFA is just a weak copy of ANH.

The thing with Kylo telling Rey her parents are nobody is obviously just him trying to pull her to the dark side. I wouldn't take that to be reality.

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au_gold
12/21/19 1:14:01 AM
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What exciting shit happens apart from the throne room scene?

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