Current Events > Finally saw the new Star Wars. Way to ruin 40 years of a series lol

(+) Yeah! (+)

Create random new plot threads to never develop them.

No real consequences for anything

Ruin beloved characters

Retread of older movies

Characters like Finn started awesome and eventually faded to nothing of significance

bleh. Where do you even go from here

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Can't forget midichlorian blood.
That more or less broke the whole series. At least in terms of what the force is.
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darkprince45 posted...

No real consequences for anything

Wut

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CM_Ponch posted...

Wut

things happened just for 2 seconds later, jk!

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darkprince45 posted...

things happened just for 2 seconds later, jk!

....like what?

i have it typed but I cant find the spoilers tags anymore

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Question mark in a square, same place it's been for months.

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SiO4 posted...

Can't forget midichlorian blood.
That more or less broke the whole series. At least in terms of what the force is.

All this meant was the higher the count the potential for being stronger in the force was higher. Think of it like having good genes and why some people are amazing athletes and some would trip over their own feet.

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Chewie dies? Psych, he's back within literally 5 minutes. Wayfinder destroyed? Nope, Kylo has a spare in his ship. 3P0's memory erased? Nope, R2 has a backup.

All of the new characters were of zero consequence. Zorii, Jannah, babu frick, new droid guy... none of them had any impact on the story.

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Uh, in the force awakens i was under the impression Finn was also going to be some badass jedi main. That didnt really happen.

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darkprince45 posted...

Wayfinder destroyed? Nope, Kylo has a spare in his ship. 3P0's memory erased? Nope, R2 has a backup.

Those two had foreshadowing at least and were outright explained at most.

Ren's flying his ship. The one he used to fly to Palp's crib.

Threepio flat-out said Artoo had backups.

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LordMarshal posted...

Uh, in the force awakens i was under the impression Finn was also going to be some badass jedi main. That didnt really happen.

That was misdirection, not a missing thread.

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darkprince45 posted...

the

How is that any difference from Han being frozen but then okay?

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As if the prequels didn't already ruin it.

DrizztLink posted...

That was misdirection, not a missing thread.

Considering the end it was a stupid decision not to follow through. Rey and Kylo must be center stage. It didnt feel like a forced black character, pretty natural imo. Sam did great.

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LordMarshal posted...

Considering the end it was a stupid decision not to follow through. Rey and Kylo must be center stage. It didnt feel like a forced black character, pretty natural imo. Sam did great.

Probably would have had more if they stuck with one director.

JJ pretty clearly told RJ to go fuck himself and stuck with his plan from TFA.

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Just do what most OT and PT fans of SW are doing, see the ST as nothing but expensive disney fan fiction.

The post ROTJ story is with better characters like Mara Jade, Ben Skywalker, the Solo twins, and other better characters.

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I wasn't a fan of the sequel trilogy making the Force Ghosts able to interact with the real world, especially this one. Makes death as a Jedi not have much consequence to it if they can do the same things they were able to do while living.

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Gamerguymass posted...

All this meant was the higher the count the potential for being stronger in the force was higher. Think of it like having good genes and why some people are amazing athletes and some would trip over their own feet.

Ya, I get it. But it seems unnecessary.
I always thought of it as a mentality and mindset.
Not a function of your physical being.
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I didn't know adults used the word "ruined" like a 5 year old having a tantrum until a couple years ago.

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darkprince45 posted...

No real consequences for anything

This was my biggest problem.

They teased interesting decisions but then refused to follow through with them.

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SiO4 posted...

Ya, I get it. But it seems unnecessary.
I always thought of it as a mentality and mindset.
Not a function of your physical being.

It makes sense considering force users who lost limbs were shown to be less powerful afterwards. Star Wars had this before The Phantom Menace came out as well.

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darkprince45 posted...

bleh. Where do you even go from here

This was my exact reaction and question after The Last Jedi.

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Gamerguymass posted...

It makes sense considering force users who lost limbs were shown to be less powerful afterwards. Star Wars had this before The Phantom Menace came out as well.

Anikin was burnt to a crisp be he turned out pretty strong.

Beleive I am not too invested, it's all just silly.

I guess, The Force was introduced to be through Obi wan's speech in ANH.
Maybe he didn't have his physicians license at the time. idk.
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Star wars would have been better with 3 completely separate trilogies

9 goddamn fucking movies about the same goddamn family. Jesus christ that's overkill

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SiO4 posted...

Anikin was burnt to a crisp be he turned out pretty strong.

Beleive I am not too invested, it's all just silly.

I guess, The Force was introduced to be through Obi wan's speech in ANH.
Maybe he didn't have his physicians license at the time. idk.

Vader is supposedly much weaker than he would have been had he not sustained his injuries. It's why he is replaceable in VI, and why he had not become more powerful than the Emporer and usurped him (as the Emporer seems to have expected from his dialogue in the fight with Yoda).

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darkprince45 posted...

bleh. Where do you even go from here

You don't. You make a timeskip soft reboot.

I'd like to see them do something crazy a couple hundred years into the future.

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DevsBro posted...

You don't. You make a timeskip soft reboot.

I'd like to see them do something crazy a couple hundred years into the future.

This is what they should have done in the first place imo.

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DevsBro posted...

You don't. You make a timeskip soft reboot.

I'd like to see them do something crazy a couple hundred years into the future.

Essentially. Either create side movies like Rogue One and Solo and just ditch the trilogy concept from now on, or set new trilogies far into the past or far into the future so they don't have to rely on any existing content.

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people still defend it, then again there's still folks out there that defend fallout 76 and Anthem even today

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Vader being portrayed as a powerful jedi was dumb to begin with. He was barely toe to toe with an old Obi-Wan at a death's door and even lost to him at his prime. We only think he's powerful due to a general lack of other point of reference

Midichlorian hate is overdone. If the force was that easily manipulatable by anybody regardless of genes then the force itself wouldn't have been limited to a single religion in the first place. It made sense that some people were just naturally more inclined to it than others since the very beginning

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And its only the 4th worst movie in the series.

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DrizztLink posted...

That was misdirection, not a missing thread

Except the actor has already confirmed, even though it makes 0 sense, that what he wanted to confide in rey as he was dying in quick sand was that be could use the force. Because that's something you need to keep a secret.

Not that he was going to confess his love, but jj didn't want him to have a love interest outside his race, so here we are.

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If Star Wars can survive the prequels, it can survive anything. Some of the current other media is fucking phenomenal anyway.

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It's good for a pew pew popcorn action flick but the characters were all done really terribly imo. Not really a new concept for the franchise though.
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SiO4 posted...

Can't forget midichlorian blood.
That more or less broke the whole series. At least in terms of what the force is.

While it did ruin a lot of mysticism, I'd rather the creator add more insight to universe he made rather than Disney retrograde the series.

The ST went backwards with each movie. TFA was a ANH rehash. The Last Jedi removes the significance of RETURN OF THE JEDI. And TRoS is more nostalgia pandering just like TFA because JJ Abrams and Disney is afraid to piss off the audience.

Lucas was about to delve deeper into the Midichlorians he introduced. Now we're a left without his attempt to explain himself from the PT. Things that would have tied all three trilogies together. He likely knew this would piss people off again so he wanted Disney to make them on his behalf to (understandably) ease the stress. But Disney instead threw out Lucas' ST and opted for the safe route.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

The Last Jedi removes the significance of RETURN OF THE JEDI.

you make so little sense Disney might hire you to make a star wars movie.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

And TRoS is more nostalgia pandering just like TFA because JJ Abrams and Disney is afraid to piss off the audience.

Wouldn't you have been?

Cancer, Zoe Quinn and Stalin didn't do as much evil combined in the eyes of moviegoers as Rian Johnson did.

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I don't see why nostalgia and fanservice are dirty words, tbh. I enjoyed the callbacks.

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proof that forty years isn't good lol

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Polycosm posted...

I don't see why nostalgia and fanservice are dirty words, tbh. I enjoyed the callbacks.

they aren't, when they are done well. People loved endgame, which is fanservice and nostalgia. But it still told it's own story utilizing them. JJ was too afraid to say anything and just make lazy remakes meant to harken back to what people like, but failed to understand why people liked it. And what the impact of invalidating the previous movies plot points would have on the legacy of the original films.

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I agree TC, the recycle of old characters was so lame. I understand Han Solo and Luke coming back, but the rest was not needed. The sequel was pretty much meh to begin with, all 3 movies. The movie was so boring, nothing interesting of note. Kylo finally revealed his feeling for Rey, but had to die, what a waste of potential. imo Rey and Ben were the only interesting characters in the sequel.

DavidZ2844 posted...

....like what?

Chewie dies!? Psych
3PO's memory wiped? Nope, R2 has a backup
Wayfinder destroyed? Good think Kylo has a spare in his ship

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Just do what most OT and PT fans of SW are doing, see the ST as nothing but expensive disney fan fiction.

The post ROTJ story is with better characters like Mara Jade, Ben Skywalker, the Solo twins, and other better characters.

This. Really, the pre Disney continuity is superior to the Disney stuff.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

While it did ruin a lot of mysticism, I'd rather the creator add more insight to universe he made rather than Disney retrograde the series.

The ST went backwards with each movie. TFA was a ANH rehash. The Last Jedi removes the significance of RETURN OF THE JEDI. And TRoS is more nostalgia pandering just like TFA because JJ Abrams and Disney is afraid to piss off the audience.

Lucas was about to delve deeper into the Midichlorians he introduced. Now we're a left without his attempt to explain himself from the PT. Things that would have tied all three trilogies together. He likely knew this would piss people off again so he wanted Disney to make them on his behalf to (understandably) ease the stress. But Disney instead threw out Lucas' ST and opted for the safe route.

This.

The ST has turned Star Wars into the mindless blockbuster film like a Star Wars version of the Michael Bay Transformer movies. While tying nothing together at all.

Even the ST movies themselves contradict each other in its own trilogy..

Most of these claims people also made about the prequel trilogy. That is all the proof I need that Star Wars is not ruined. It's stronger then some bad movies.

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The Last Jedi already made it impossible for the sequels to be a good trilogy. The fact that TRoS is watchable at all is an achievement.

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au_gold posted...

The Last Jedi already made it impossible for the sequels to be a good trilogy. The fact that TRoS is watchable at all is an achievement.

The problem starts with TFA. I don't know why people act like anything else.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

The problem starts with TFA. I don't know why people act like anything else.

TFA had a lot of WTF things but if the sequels had given logical and good answers no one would be saying this. Yes there were many mystery boxes and questions to be answered but TLJ threw all the possible plot threads in the toilet making TFA retroactively a bad movie.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

TFA had a lot of WTF things but if the sequels had given logical and good answers no one would be saying this. Yes there were many mystery boxes and questions to be answered but TLJ threw all the possible plot threads in the toilet making TFA retroactively a bad movie.

Well Disney's ideas were trash from the get go. But a lot of that blame goes to Lucas for selling his IP in the first place. GL planned to release a sequel after the prequel trilogy was over, but instead of releasing a sequel he sold his IP to Disney instead. His excuse was that he was 70 years old, and he didn't have a lot of time to live so he had to sell it.

The real problem is the copyright laws. This is why you don't you want the copyright term-limit to be a lifetime + 70 years which doesn't make sense. It incentives content creators to take forever to release new content. They can release new content once every 20 years and they don't care because copyright law encourages them to do that.