Current Events > Its hard to follow whats happening in real life in Silent Hill 2... (Spoilers)

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I guess 3 crazy people and a child are wondering around an empty town?

James, made a tape of him killing his wife? Confesses to a 7 year old?

Adopts the 7 year old? Wheres Marias body? Police investigation?

Great game but lots of questions about whats actually happening...

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They are all dead and in purgatory

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aren't there different planes of existences, where one is a tourist town, likely populated, one's some abandoned purgatory that calls to select individuals, and one's some hellish otherworld that those who are called experience?

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boxington posted...

aren't there different planes of existences, where one is a tourist town, likely populated, one's some abandoned purgatory that calls to select individuals, and one's some hellish otherworld that those who are called experience?

The town in Silent Hill 4 isn't actually Silent Hill. I don't think there was ever a clear explanation as to why Silent Hill was bleeding over but for the most part Silent Hill is a ghost town. The dark version of Silent Hill is the same "plane" the city itself actually transforms the deeper you go into it.

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Laura doesn't see the town that same way James does.


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Right like "Laura doesnt see the same town......spoooky..."

Because 7 year olds wonder around vacant towns by themselves with crazy people.

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LordMarshal posted...

Right like "Laura doesnt see the same town......spoooky..."

Because 7 year olds wonder around vacant towns by themselves with crazy people.

Laura doesn't think you're crazy or Eddie is crazy.

The town seems normal to her
To Eddie it's full of dogs and freezing
To Angella it's on fire and full of grotesque rape monsters
To James its what you see, foggy and full of effeminate creatures who hurt you but seem to be suffering themselves

As to what is real? They all are.

Silent Hill is all about multiple levels of reality occupying the same place.

As for Laura Its pure speculation on my part but we know she was sick in hospital, got better, was brought into town by Eddie (who was on the run) and can be adopted by James

so I'm guessing Laura was either an orphan (most likely)or has shitty parents and ran away from home to find Mary, the only mother figure she ever loved

On the run she met Eddie and asked him to take her there so he was like "gonna get me some of that tourist trap!" and so took her

That's just speculation though. Which I like, Silent Hill is very open ended and leaves you to speculate
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I don't know if it's ever outright stated in any of the games, but this is the situation with Silent Hill:

• The first level is the real world. Here, Silent Hill is just a nice little scenic tourist town. People live and shop and vacation here, the vast majority completely unaware of any supernatural shenanigans happening. Some people think this is the level that Laura was seeing, but I personally don't believe that.
• The second level is the Fog World where the majority of the games take place. Monsters roam the town, doors are locked, roads are either blocked or fallen into bottomless chasms, that kinda thing. I think this is where Laura is, but she doesn't see things like monsters and corpses. She just sees a foggy, abandoned town.
• The third level is the Otherworld. This is the level that alters itself to reflect a person's psyche. James watched his wife suffer in a hospital bed, so his Otherworld is full of stained sheets and gurneys. Angela was sexually abused by her father, so her Otherworld has pistons and the Abstract Daddy monster.

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pegusus123456 posted...

don't know if it's ever outright stated in any of the games, but this is the situation with Silent Hill:

Sadly it is outright stated in Origins and Downpour

Which takes the mystique away a tad for me

pegusus123456 posted...

Some people think this is the level that Laura was seeing, but I personally don't believe that.

Yeah again speculation but I think Luara is in the fog world too, it just seems normal to her.

She sees Eddie and James when they dont see "Normal " people walking the streets and she does things like graffiti walls and wander all over the place by herself which seems unlikely if there are people everywhere
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I hate how they built up what Silent Hill was in 2. I liked it more when I thought the town wasn't real and was just evil manifesting as a town

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WTF people are saying Silent Hill to a normal person is populated and a normal small vacation town?

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

WTF people are saying Silent Hill to a normal person is populated and a normal small vacation town?

Yep

James honeymooned there remember and Mary loved it

Harry went there on holiday
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Later games apparently show that Silent Hill is even experiencing a bit of growth and becoming more of a city than a town.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Yep

James honeymooned there remember and Mary loved it

Harry went there on holiday

That's all before the fact that the place was considered hell.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

That's all before the fact that the place was considered hell.

If you say so

SH1 was the first game and Harry went there expecting a nice vacation

And later SH media say it was a hell town with a cult since cowboy times
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

That's all before the fact that the place was considered hell.

wrong

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

That's all before the fact that the place was considered hell.

Uh no it's been like that since at least the late 1800's as stated ingame

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I never got the impression that outside of the chosen select few to see Silent Hill as an evil place, that the place is still a normal thriving place with normal lives. I'm gonna have to confirm this.

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Yes silent hill is a normal functioning tourist town in canon. It's why Harry decides to take Cheryl to SH on vacation in the first game.

It's not an abandoned town like in the movie.

the reality of the town the main characters are in is seperate from the reality of the town in real life. James isnt just walking around town shooting and hitting people or whatever. that makes no sense

in silent hill 1 alessa is ritualistically imbued with the powers of the town. she uses this ability to pull people in that games cast into the foggy world and the otherworld in order to protect herself from Dahlia and Kaufman. they seem to just be parts of the town themselves but since shes technically got the powers of a goddess she can use them

alessa is gone in sh2 but the other worlds are still there. in fact the lore laid out in that game suggests that they were always there and always affecting people in their own way long before the cult from SH1 and 3 started.

sh1 and 3 are what happens when the spooky stuff in silent hill is guided by other forces. SH2 is what happens when the place is left to its own devices. they can coexist pretty easily

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LordMarshal posted...

I guess 3 crazy people and a child are wondering around an empty town?

James, made a tape of him killing his wife? Confesses to a 7 year old?

Adopts the 7 year old? Wheres Marias body? Police investigation?

Great game but lots of questions about whats actually happening...

Spoilers:

1. The town isn't empty, James is delusional.

2. Either yes or his mind finally comes to accept what he did I don't recall him ever confessing to Laura though

3. In the Leave ending, he does. Mary wants him to move forward & she wants the 2 people she loves to be together

As for Mary's body, it's supposed to be in the trunk or backseat of his car-- he takes it to perform a ritual in one of the secret endings, hoping to bring her back to life.
As for Maria's body, it likely disappears back into the mists.

What police investigation are you wondering about? If about Mary's death, she had a terminal disease & is thought to have died from it.

Hope that helps.

Massive SH2 spoilers:

James killed Mary a few weeks before the game is set. It was revealed on the video tape in the hotel room. Laura walked in just as he'd finished watching it and he told her. 'I hate you I hate you I hate you!' Remember?


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7 year olds can just wonder around towns and random men can just adopt them after confessing murder. Silent Hills scary af.

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kurdt032 posted...

James killed Mary a few weeks before the game is set. It was revealed on the video tape in the hotel room. Laura walked in just as he'd finished watching it and he told her. 'I hate you I hate you I hate you!' Remember?

It was days.

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LordMarshal posted...

7 year olds can just wonder around towns and random men can just adopt them after confessing murder. Silent Hills scary af.

she's an orphan, so probably not many are looking for her. she traveled with Eddie, so it could appear to others that she is under his care, in some shape or form. and it's not unheard of for children to run away and roam unsupervised when they don't actually have a parent, guardian, or real caretaker.

there's a lot that isn't said, so we don't know the full story, but it doesn't seem all that implausible.

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Oh yeah, i killed marry the other day. Hey laura, check out my trunk! Im your new daddy!

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I need to finish SH3

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

I'm gonna have to confirm this.

SH2 does this for you.

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pegusus123456 posted...

It was days.

Correct. He basically went to Silent Hill to ditch the body (Talk about worst idea ever). The paper he was looking at was also blank.

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Right. So, uh, he has a dead body from suffocation. And a 7 year old....things look bad.

And he just killed her so then who gave him the letter?

The games good but things taken literally are hard to line up in reality.

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LordMarshal posted...

And he just killed her so then who gave him the letter?

It's been stated a few times now that there was no letter. It was blank.

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dave_is_slick posted...

It's been stated a few times now that there was no letter. It was blank.

The leave ending is the letter given to him from nurses after she dies.

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LordMarshal posted...

Right. So, uh, he has a dead body from suffocation. And a 7 year old....things look bad.

I actually agree with this.

The writers have stated that Mary's body was in the passenger seat of the car and I think that's just too silly. Especially in the Leave Ending with Laura

But I guess you can say James just didn't take that car home.

If it's any consolation, that ending is non canon. The canon ending is that James commits suicide by driving his car into the lake with Mary's corpse.

This is from the writers and also mentioned in SH4 by James' dad that James never returned.

Sucks for me because I think the suicide ending is the stupidest one. James goes through all that discovery and personal torment to learn the truth about himself just so he can kill himself? That's silly

And he just killed her so then who gave him the letter?

A nurse gave it to Laura so I assume a Nurse gave it to James. Mary was only just let out of hospital.

It's also possible Mary wrote it for James to read after she died. But the letter was written before Mary died obviously.

Whether or not Mary or the Nurse gave it to him really isn't important. It was written for him by Mary and given to him when Mary was discharged.

The games good but things taken literally are hard to line up in reality.

Meh, bits and pieces for artistic liscence.

For the most part it lines up pretty well. Especially for a surreal horror story. There's only a handful of things that make no sense at all from a "literal" perspective.
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Hi officer. Oh her? Shes my dead wife i suffocated and went looking for. Small world, eh? And thats a 7 year old girl that was my wifes friend, the one i murdered, here. Im adopting her. Get out of the car? But why?

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Tyranthraxus posted...

The town in Silent Hill 4 isn't actually Silent Hill. I don't think there was ever a clear explanation as to why Silent Hill was bleeding over but for the most part Silent Hill is a ghost town. The dark version of Silent Hill is the same "plane" the city itself actually transforms the deeper you go into it.

it's been a long time, but it has something to do with Walter's 21 Sacraments thing, iirc.

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LordMarshal posted...

Hi officer. Oh her? Shes my dead wife i suffocated and went looking for. Small world, eh? And thats a 7 year old girl that was my wifes friend, the one i murdered, here. Im adopting her. Get out of the car? But why?

Meh its dumb to invent scenarios and then claim the scenarios are stupid
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Meh its dumb to invent scenarios and then claim the scenarios are stupid

The scenario is hes leaving a town, walking away, with a 7 year old while leaving his wives dead body in his own car abandoned by a town.

The scenarios is pretty dumb.

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LordMarshal posted...

The scenario is hes leaving a town, walking away, with a 7 year old while leaving his wives dead body in his own car abandoned by a town.

The scenarios is pretty dumb.

Sure but we dont see him drive off or go past police and act like nothing Is wrong

Presumably he either buries memory and them turns himself and Laura in

or buried mary/leaves her in the fog world and then adopts Laura, rather than making her sit behind the corpse

Either way is speculation but it's all a bananas dont float moment. The point is James' psyche and how he redeems himself in various ways
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Sure but we dont see him drive off or go past police and act like nothing Is wrong

Presumably he either buries memory and them turns himself and Laura in

or buried mary/leaves her in the fog world and then adopts Laura, rather than making her sit behind the corpse

Either way is speculation but it's all a bananas dont float moment. The point is James' psyche and how he redeems himself in various ways

Does he? He gets a town to punish/remind him and hes like "oops" and ghost wives like "nah, were cool".

But legally hes pretty fucked.

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boxington posted...

it's been a long time, but it has something to do with Walter's 21 Sacraments thing, iirc.

Walter is referenced a lot in SH4 as well as things that also pop up in Silent Hill 2 but they're only loosely connected.

There's a lot unexplained in Silent Hill 4 but it's implied that people visiting "Silent Hill" are actually staying in Ashfield and that there's dark mirrors that you pass through to get to the demonic parts of the city that most people don't see.

Henry's predicament kind of implies that Silent Hill is a real & personal hell. No matter how much he bangs on the wall or door or poltergeists fuck things up or tries to break out he can't and no one ever notices he's screaming for help even while they're looking into the peephole.

So the people in Ashfield by large literally don't even know they live next door to demons.

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Henrys got the best attitude of any protagonist of Silent hill.

This is pretty weird but also i dont give a fuck.

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Would you go through Silent Hill to try and save a loved one?

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Would you go through Silent Hill to try and save a loved one?

But even in the same circumstance id never kill a loved one. James clearly mentioned he wanted his life back and i view family/wife as my life even if i have to watch em through to the end.

They clearly hinted james had some selfish desires such as a more sexual Marry and tired of the mood swings so he snapped.

And also weirdly secluded with no other family or loved ones. Like my family and my wives family and friends would help me cope. Its odd James and Marry were so loners.

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uhh.. it doesn't have to be exclusively be James' scenario.

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