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HannibalBarca3 01/13/20 3:28:33 PM #1:	There's been some pushes to present some historical figures closer to what they actually were rather than the idolized way they're sometimes presented. Christopher Columbus is one such figure. But when it comes to Sparta maybe people bring up the helots but generally the way they are portrayed in popular culture is pretty positive. They're often portrayed as these badass heroic warriors who stood their ground at Thermopylae to save a young western civilization from the claws of oriental depotism. But just like Christopher Columbus wasn't just this brave explorer who found the new world, the actual Spartans hardly live up to their idolized image. Even Thermopylae wasn't a heroic last stand but more of a half assed defence of Atika by the Spartans and their last stand was more of a suicide than a last stand. Make no mistake, our sources do not paint the action of the 300, and other Greeks including Helots who were forced to give up their lives among their Spartan masters, as trying to buy the Greek coalition time. There's this really good blog series that goes over the idealized portrayal of Sparta and points out of Sparta actually was: https://acoup.blog/2019/08/16/collections-this-isnt-sparta-part-i-spartan-school/ To cut it short the Spartans weren't heroic badass warriors and more like a bunch of rich assholes who had a system of government that only the rich had power and the richer got richer. Their militia was slightly above that of the other Greeks but not impressive at all since most Classical Greek militias were poorly organized. Like the blog points out in the beginning, Sparta is still fondly remembered to this day despite it being a pretty terrible place to hold in high regards. --- Aut viam inveniam aut faciam. Will not change sig until the Tsar is put back in the Russian throne (July 08, 2010) <cite>HannibalBarca3 posted [p:932874686] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>There's been some pushes to present some historical figures closer to what they actually were rather than the idolized way they're sometimes presented. Christopher Columbus is one such figure. But when it comes to Sparta maybe people bring up the helots but generally the way they are portrayed in popular culture is pretty positive. They're often portrayed as these badass heroic warriors who stood their ground at Thermopylae to save a young western civilization from the claws of oriental depotism. But just like Christopher Columbus wasn't just this brave explorer who found the new world, the actual Spartans hardly live up to their idolized image. Even Thermopylae wasn't a heroic last stand but more of a half assed defence of Atika by the Spartans and their last stand was more of a suicide than a last stand. Make no mistake, our sources do not paint the action of the 300, and other Greeks including Helots who were forced to give up their lives among their Spartan masters, as trying to buy the Greek coalition time. There's this really good blog series that goes over the idealized portrayal of Sparta and points out of Sparta actually was: https://acoup.blog/2019/08/16/collections-this-isnt-sparta-part-i-spartan-school/ To cut it short the Spartans weren't heroic badass warriors and more like a bunch of rich assholes who had a system of government that only the rich had power and the richer got richer. Their militia was slightly above that of the other Greeks but not impressive at all since most Classical Greek militias were poorly organized. Like the blog points out in the beginning, Sparta is still fondly remembered to this day despite it being a pretty terrible place to hold in high regards. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 01/13/20 3:31:46 PM #2:	never heard a single person referring to it as "fondly" --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:932874817] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>never heard a single person referring to it as "fondly"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov 01/13/20 3:32:58 PM #3:	because we like underdog stories and the battle of thermopylae is a classic and real example. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:932874873] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>because we like underdog stories and the battle of thermopylae is a classic and real example.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 01/13/20 3:33:53 PM #4:	spudger posted... never heard a single person referring to it as "fondly" --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:932874908] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>spudger posted... </cite> <quote>never heard a single person referring to it as "fondly"</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 01/13/20 3:35:18 PM #5:	people keep making topics with these ridiculous premises. i guess its one tactic... --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:932874970] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>people keep making topics with these ridiculous premises. i guess its one tactic...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 01/13/20 3:35:46 PM #6:	300. --- You have the right to remain silent. anything you post will be misquoted, then be used against you. <cite>Ricemills posted [p:932874995] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>300. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 01/13/20 3:39:39 PM #8:	Indeed. It is blasphemy. Some would even call it madness --- This is a mobile account, forgive any errors. ~DYL~ 12-18-19: Donald Trump has been impeached. <cite>Umbreon posted [p:932875165] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>Indeed. It is blasphemy. Some would even call it madness </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 01/13/20 3:43:56 PM #9:	because of a bad zack snyder movie --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:932875329] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>because of a bad zack snyder movie </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IronWolf87 01/13/20 7:04:16 PM #10:	Just got done reading that blog and I have to say it's a great read. To my mind what it boils down too is that the Spartans benefited from some really great PR/Marketing and were canny enough (or just had the personality) to really lean in to it. On a side note Sparta's fate is kind of reminiscent of how the bully is punished in an 80's movie. <cite>IronWolf87 posted [p:932883690] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>Just got done reading that blog and I have to say it's a great read. To my mind what it boils down too is that the Spartans benefited from some really great PR/Marketing and were canny enough (or just had the personality) to really lean in to it. On a side note Sparta's fate is kind of reminiscent of how the bully is punished in an 80's movie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 01/13/20 7:08:44 PM #11:	Fascists always like to bring up Spartans when they can. Minus the pedophilia. --- It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, it's about the size of the fight in the dog. <cite>brestugo posted [p:932883886] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>Fascists always like to bring up Spartans when they can. Minus the pedophilia. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lebronwon 01/13/20 7:10:19 PM #12:	Ricemills posted... 300. --- Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 <cite>Lebronwon posted [p:932883948] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>Ricemills posted... </cite> <quote>300.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Laserion 01/13/20 7:13:01 PM #13:	"Thermopylae". Does it mean "hot pile"? --- There is no "would of", "should of" or "could of". There is "would've", "should've" and "could've". <cite>Laserion posted [p:932884071] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>"Thermopylae". Does it mean "hot pile"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IronWolf87 01/13/20 7:13:04 PM #14:	DuranOfForcena posted... so literally the same as every other system of government that has ever existed True, but Sparta took it an extreme degree. As the blog the TC links points out being a Slave back then sucked, but being a Slave of Sparta was so bad that other Slave Owners of the time commented on just how horrible Sparta treated their slaves. <cite>IronWolf87 posted [p:932884076] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>DuranOfForcena posted... </cite> <quote>so literally the same as every other system of government that has ever existed</quote> True, but Sparta took it an extreme degree. As the blog the TC links points out being a Slave back then sucked, but being a Slave of Sparta was so bad that other Slave Owners of the time commented on just how horrible Sparta treated their slaves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 01/13/20 7:14:42 PM #15:	Are you telling me they didn't kick that guy in a pit? --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:932884147] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>Are you telling me they didn't kick that guy in a pit? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zack_Attackv1 01/13/20 7:19:39 PM #16:	Because I would much rather not draw the ire of Kratos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPUsW_uHzvA --- https://imgur.com/v7yoA4G <cite>Zack_Attackv1 posted [p:932884376] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>Because I would much rather not draw the ire of Kratos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPUsW_uHzvA</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirkDiggles 01/13/20 7:20:47 PM #17:	Ahh. I fondly remember Sparta. What a time to live! --- https://imgur.com/i9oVpG0 <cite>DirkDiggles posted [p:932884435] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>Ahh. I fondly remember Sparta. What a time to live! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Catgirl Fondler 01/13/20 7:21:06 PM #18:	spudger posted... never heard a single person referring to it as "fondly" Yeah, this. Outside of 300 memes, nobody I know thinks highly of actual Spartans. Shit, some of those same people didn't even know they were a real people, again, because 300 made them seem too outlandish to be real. --- N/A <cite>The Catgirl Fondler posted [p:932884453] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>never heard a single person referring to it as "fondly"</quote> Yeah, this. Outside of 300 memes, nobody I know thinks highly of actual Spartans. Shit, some of those same people didn't even know they were a real people, again, because 300 made them seem too outlandish to be real.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Colorahdo 01/13/20 7:22:48 PM #19:	You know what sounds like a hellish place to live is the Inca empire It's like if Amazon ran its own country --- But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me ~Jesus Christ <cite>Colorahdo posted [p:932884524] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>You know what sounds like a hellish place to live is the Inca empire It's like if Amazon ran its own country </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 01/13/20 7:23:27 PM #20:	Sparta is glorified in history texts from what Ive seen --- My mind is an open book, do you find it entertaining? At least be original in your responses then. "Don't call me a God, call me a Sadist" <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:932884560] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>Sparta is glorified in history texts from what Ive seen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 01/13/20 7:27:59 PM #21:	Kazi1212 posted... Sparta is glorified in history texts from what Ive seen Thermopylae and defeating Athens in the Peloponnesian war will kind of leave a mark in the history books. --- It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, it's about the size of the fight in the dog. <cite>brestugo posted [p:932884789] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>Kazi1212 posted... </cite> <quote>Sparta is glorified in history texts from what Ive seen</quote>Thermopylae and defeating Athens in the Peloponnesian war will kind of leave a mark in the history books. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 01/13/20 7:34:33 PM #22:	brestugo posted... Thermopylae and defeating Athens in the Peloponnesian war will kind of leave a mark in the history books. indeed, which why its baffling the claim Sparta being remembered fondly is being argued over --- My mind is an open book, do you find it entertaining? At least be original in your responses then. "Don't call me a God, call me a Sadist" <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:932885102] in Why is Spa... [t:78327607]...</cite> <quote>brestugo posted... </cite> <quote>Thermopylae and defeating Athens in the Peloponnesian war will kind of leave a mark in the history books.</quote> indeed, which why its baffling the claim Sparta being remembered fondly is being argued over </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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