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TheRock1525 01/30/20 9:54:37 PM #201:	Apparently Alexander handed McConnell a note and Mitch was seen smiling not too recently, so I gotta bet the GOP has enough votes to block witnesses. I mean I'm not sure how this is a victory for the GOP. They keep taking bad positions and keep getting hammered for it in local and federal elections. At some point they gotta realize riding off the cliff with Trump ain't worth it. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:933714779] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Apparently Alexander handed McConnell a note and Mitch was seen smiling not too recently, so I gotta bet the GOP has enough votes to block witnesses. I mean I'm not sure how this is a victory for the GOP. They keep taking bad positions and keep getting hammered for it in local and federal elections. At some point they gotta realize riding off the cliff with Trump ain't worth it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 01/30/20 9:57:33 PM #202:	Turning on Trump would be a disaster as well. The GOP's best bet right now (and what is probably their current strategy) is to continue and hope they don't get voted out before they are able to complete the government's transition into facism. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:933714897] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Turning on Trump would be a disaster as well. The GOP's best bet right now (and what is probably their current strategy) is to continue and hope they don't get voted out before they are able to complete the government's transition into facism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/30/20 10:00:02 PM #203:	They could turn on Trump in large enough numbers to push him off the edge! Im sure there are fewer than 34 true believers. But yeah theyre kinda fucked either way because this is what happens when you make a deal with the devil --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:933714997] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>They could turn on Trump in large enough numbers to push him off the edge! Im sure there are fewer than 34 true believers. But yeah theyre kinda fucked either way because this is what happens when you make a deal with the devil </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/20 10:05:50 PM #204:	KamikazePotato posted... Turning on Trump would be a disaster as well. The GOP's best bet right now (and what is probably their current strategy) is to continue and hope they don't get voted out before they are able to complete the government's transition into facism. The best strategy was a witness exchange. Call Dems on a bluff, parade out the Bidens who will likely fumble around and give ammunition for them, and avoid the fact that 75% of Americans actually want witnesses. It's like they're eventually going to lose power at this point, and the more they try to excuse Trump the more they're gonna have to deal with something like a Queen AOC in a decade or so. It's so short-sighted on all accounts. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:933715233] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite> <quote>Turning on Trump would be a disaster as well. The GOP's best bet right now (and what is probably their current strategy) is to continue and hope they don't get voted out before they are able to complete the government's transition into facism.</quote>The best strategy was a witness exchange. Call Dems on a bluff, parade out the Bidens who will likely fumble around and give ammunition for them, and avoid the fact that 75% of Americans actually want witnesses. It's like they're eventually going to lose power at this point, and the more they try to excuse Trump the more they're gonna have to deal with something like a Queen AOC in a decade or so. It's so short-sighted on all accounts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 01/30/20 10:07:52 PM #205:	MOST Republicans would side with the party line if they turned on Trump, but not all. I think a good 1/5 are Trump people at this point instead of GOP people and they would get annihilated in the general election if they forced Trump out and he started tweeting about GOP corruption. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:933715295] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>MOST Republicans would side with the party line if they turned on Trump, but not all. I think a good 1/5 are Trump people at this point instead of GOP people and they would get annihilated in the general election if they forced Trump out and he started tweeting about GOP corruption. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/30/20 10:12:02 PM #206:	Republicans will definitely lose the 2020 election if they turn on Trump. And they will lose his supporters for a generation. Stick with Trump, and they are going to win the 2020 election. And probably more elections after that. I'm not convinced the Democrats actually want witnesses either at this point. They've made it so so easy for the Senate to give grounds not to call witnesses, which the House could have easily avoided. Like charging nothing other than 2 extremely vague non-crimes. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:933715458] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Republicans will definitely lose the 2020 election if they turn on Trump. And they will lose his supporters for a generation. Stick with Trump, and they are going to win the 2020 election. And probably more elections after that. I'm not convinced the Democrats actually want witnesses either at this point. They've made it so so easy for the Senate to give grounds not to call witnesses, which the House could have easily avoided. Like charging nothing other than 2 extremely vague non-crimes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/30/20 10:16:22 PM #207:	Aw yeah, they're talking about another Biden Rule. Looks like poor Joe Biden said many things over the course of his decades in the Senate that Republicans are now adopting as rules! --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:933715597] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Aw yeah, they're talking about another Biden Rule. Looks like poor Joe Biden said many things over the course of his decades in the Senate that Republicans are now adopting as rules! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/30/20 10:27:03 PM #208:	Disappointing question from Romney - whether is any evidence that Trump told someone to tell Ukraine about the quid pro quo. Bad question because if there is evidence, it would be presented when the witnesses are called. You can't require evidence to be in the record before calling the witnesses. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:933715979] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Disappointing question from Romney - whether is any evidence that Trump told someone to tell Ukraine about the quid pro quo. Bad question because if there is evidence, it would be presented when the witnesses are called. You can't require evidence to be in the record before calling the witnesses. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 01/30/20 10:31:46 PM #209:	TheRock1525 posted... Apparently Alexander handed McConnell a note and Mitch was seen smiling not too recently, so I gotta bet the GOP has enough votes to block witnesses. I mean I'm not sure how this is a victory for the GOP. They keep taking bad positions and keep getting hammered for it in local and federal elections. At some point they gotta realize riding off the cliff with Trump ain't worth it. They have made tremendous gains the last decade. They have only done very poorly in one election cycle. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:933716147] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>Apparently Alexander handed McConnell a note and Mitch was seen smiling not too recently, so I gotta bet the GOP has enough votes to block witnesses. I mean I'm not sure how this is a victory for the GOP. They keep taking bad positions and keep getting hammered for it in local and federal elections. At some point they gotta realize riding off the cliff with Trump ain't worth it.</quote> They have made tremendous gains the last decade. They have only done very poorly in one election cycle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 01/30/20 10:43:08 PM #210:	TheRock1525 posted... The best strategy was a witness exchange. Call Dems on a bluff, parade out the Bidens who will likely fumble around and give ammunition for them, and avoid the fact that 75% of Americans actually want witnesses. If they do that and their smear on Biden works, it'll be just in time to hurt him enough in the primary to the point where he wouldn't even be the nominee. Or, it would backfire and supercharge him. The timing is actually pretty obnoxious for Republicans. If they want to smear Biden more they have to wait until after he's nominated. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:933716506] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>The best strategy was a witness exchange. Call Dems on a bluff, parade out the Bidens who will likely fumble around and give ammunition for them, and avoid the fact that 75% of Americans actually want witnesses.</quote> If they do that and their smear on Biden works, it'll be just in time to hurt him enough in the primary to the point where he wouldn't even be the nominee. Or, it would backfire and supercharge him. The timing is actually pretty obnoxious for Republicans. If they want to smear Biden more they have to wait until after he's nominated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/30/20 10:48:41 PM #211:	We're are the point for partisanship where Democrats would take a parade of evidence against Biden the same way Republicans take the evidence against Trump - as a partisan attack that cannot be allowed to stand as a matter of principle. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:933716683] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>We're are the point for partisanship where Democrats would take a parade of evidence against Biden the same way Republicans take the evidence against Trump - as a partisan attack that cannot be allowed to stand as a matter of principle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/30/20 10:49:52 PM #212:	red sox 777 posted... We're are the point for partisanship where Democrats would take a parade of evidence against Biden the same way Republicans take the evidence against Trump - as a partisan attack that cannot be allowed to stand as a matter of principle. The claims that Joe Biden acted inappropriately with regards to Ukraine have been thoroughly debunked --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:933716722] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>We're are the point for partisanship where Democrats would take a parade of evidence against Biden the same way Republicans take the evidence against Trump - as a partisan attack that cannot be allowed to stand as a matter of principle.</quote>The claims that Joe Biden acted inappropriately with regards to Ukraine have been thoroughly debunked </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/30/20 10:50:43 PM #213:	Murkowski's gonna sleep on it: https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1223089665646960640 --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:933716758] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Murkowski's gonna sleep on it: https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1223089665646960640 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/20 10:51:25 PM #214:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... If they do that and their smear on Biden works, it'll be just in time to hurt him enough in the primary to the point where he wouldn't even be the nominee. Or, it would backfire and supercharge him. The timing is actually pretty obnoxious for Republicans. If they want to smear Biden more they have to wait until after he's nominated. I'm sure everyone will me how wrong I am, but Trump would rather run against Bernie than Biden. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:933716780] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>If they do that and their smear on Biden works, it'll be just in time to hurt him enough in the primary to the point where he wouldn't even be the nominee. Or, it would backfire and supercharge him. The timing is actually pretty obnoxious for Republicans. If they want to smear Biden more they have to wait until after he's nominated.</quote>I'm sure everyone will me how wrong I am, but Trump would rather run against Bernie than Biden. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/30/20 10:51:28 PM #215:	LordoftheMorons posted... The claims that Joe Biden acted inappropriately with regards to Ukraine have been thoroughly debunked You just proved my point. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:933716781] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>The claims that Joe Biden acted inappropriately with regards to Ukraine have been thoroughly debunked</quote> You just proved my point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 01/30/20 10:52:00 PM #216:	DoomTheGyarados posted... They have made tremendous gains the last decade. They have only done very poorly in one election cycle. And, again, it was a midterm election cycle during which the incumbent party ALWAYS does poorly. Its the one consistent in American politics! --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:933716793] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>They have made tremendous gains the last decade. They have only done very poorly in one election cycle.</quote> And, again, it was a midterm election cycle during which the incumbent party ALWAYS does poorly. Its the one consistent in American politics! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/30/20 10:52:43 PM #217:	red sox 777 posted... You just proved my point. I mean, I only would have "proved your point" if what I said was false --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:933716818] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>You just proved my point.</quote>I mean, I only would have "proved your point" if what I said was false </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/20 10:53:24 PM #218:	DoomTheGyarados posted... They have made tremendous gains the last decade. They have only done very poorly in one election cycle. They really haven't though, they've just relied heavily on things like gerrymandering and voter suppression. And until other generations, millennials are not getting more conservative as they get older. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:933716841] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>They have made tremendous gains the last decade. They have only done very poorly in one election cycle.</quote>They really haven't though, they've just relied heavily on things like gerrymandering and voter suppression. And until other generations, millennials are not getting more conservative as they get older. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/30/20 10:53:35 PM #219:	Collins is a YES on witnesses/documents: https://twitter.com/SenatorCollins/status/1223091529872564225 (though with the stupid one-for-one thing) --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:933716852] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Collins is a YES on witnesses/documents: https://twitter.com/SenatorCollins/status/1223091529872564225 (though with the stupid one-for-one thing) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 01/30/20 10:56:07 PM #220:	Murkowski probably votes Yes if her vote would matter and rolls with No if it doesn't. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:933716936] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Murkowski probably votes Yes if her vote would matter and rolls with No if it doesn't. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/30/20 10:57:18 PM #221:	LordoftheMorons posted... I mean, I only would have "proved your point" if what I said was false I said that Republicans feel the same way about Trump as you do about Biden. That's the observation. But the argument is that Republicans who want Biden to win the Democratic nomination because they think he's a weak candidate are fine with attacking him now because they know that the Democratic base won't care or will back him even more. They know that because we've just seen that with the Republican base and Trump. In fact, if Biden is really innocent, my argument is even stronger. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:933716979] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, I only would have "proved your point" if what I said was false</quote> I said that Republicans feel the same way about Trump as you do about Biden. That's the observation. But the argument is that Republicans who want Biden to win the Democratic nomination because they think he's a weak candidate are fine with attacking him now because they know that the Democratic base won't care or will back him even more. They know that because we've just seen that with the Republican base and Trump. In fact, if Biden is really innocent, my argument is even stronger. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/20 10:57:37 PM #222:	Suprak the Stud posted... And, again, it was a midterm election cycle during which the incumbent party ALWAYS does poorly. Its the one consistent in American politics! It was the Democrats largest gain since 1974 and the third largest since WW2. Dems didn't just win, they thrashed Republicans and they only hung onto the Senate thanks to a very favorable map (and Florida being Florida). Women are increasing across the board both in state and federal legislatures. Without massive evolution, the Republicans are on the way out. It's why they cling to things that aren't decided by votes: voter suppression, gerrymandering, filling the courts. They're doubling down on the group that's losing ground in the US. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:933716991] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted... </cite> <quote>And, again, it was a midterm election cycle during which the incumbent party ALWAYS does poorly. Its the one consistent in American politics!</quote>It was the Democrats largest gain since 1974 and the third largest since WW2. Dems didn't just win, they thrashed Republicans and they only hung onto the Senate thanks to a very favorable map (and Florida being Florida). Women are increasing across the board both in state and federal legislatures. Without massive evolution, the Republicans are on the way out. It's why they cling to things that aren't decided by votes: voter suppression, gerrymandering, filling the courts. They're doubling down on the group that's losing ground in the US. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/30/20 10:58:23 PM #223:	TheRock1525 posted... They really haven't though, they've just relied heavily on things like gerrymandering and voter suppression. And until other generations, millennials are not getting more conservative as they get older. 1000 seats across state legislatures, like 37 governorships, the Supreme Court for a generation. That's not a lot of gains? --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:933717019] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>They really haven't though, they've just relied heavily on things like gerrymandering and voter suppression. And until other generations, millennials are not getting more conservative as they get older.</quote> 1000 seats across state legislatures, like 37 governorships, the Supreme Court for a generation. That's not a lot of gains? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/30/20 11:02:27 PM #224:	Alexander is a "no" https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1223093815285862401 Hell of a way to define your legacy --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:933717172] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Alexander is a "no" https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1223093815285862401 Hell of a way to define your legacy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/30/20 11:02:43 PM #225:	TheRock1525 posted... It was the Democrats largest gain since 1974 and the third largest since WW2. Dems didn't just win, they thrashed Republicans and they only hung onto the Senate thanks to a very favorable map (and Florida being Florida). Women are increasing across the board both in state and federal legislatures. Without massive evolution, the Republicans are on the way out. It's why they cling to things that aren't decided by votes: voter suppression, gerrymandering, filling the courts. They're doubling down on the group that's losing ground in the US. They were able to gain so much because they had lost so much the previous 8 years that they didn't have a lot of seats to start with. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:933717186] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>It was the Democrats largest gain since 1974 and the third largest since WW2. Dems didn't just win, they thrashed Republicans and they only hung onto the Senate thanks to a very favorable map (and Florida being Florida). Women are increasing across the board both in state and federal legislatures. Without massive evolution, the Republicans are on the way out. It's why they cling to things that aren't decided by votes: voter suppression, gerrymandering, filling the courts. They're doubling down on the group that's losing ground in the US.</quote> They were able to gain so much because they had lost so much the previous 8 years that they didn't have a lot of seats to start with. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 01/30/20 11:05:22 PM #226:	TheRock1525 posted... I'm sure everyone will me how wrong I am, but Trump would rather run against Bernie than Biden. Trump was caught on audio saying the opposite, so...yeah, youre right about the first part. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:933717280] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm sure everyone will me how wrong I am, but Trump would rather run against Bernie than Biden.</quote> Trump was caught on audio saying the opposite, so...yeah, youre right about the first part. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/30/20 11:06:18 PM #227:	Lamar's explanation: Trump did it and his conduct was "inappropriate", but he buys into the bullshit "not impeachable" argument, with a dash of "not bipartisan" and "let the voters decide": https://twitter.com/SenAlexander/status/1223093577145864194 Very disappointing --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:933717316] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Lamar's explanation: Trump did it and his conduct was "inappropriate", but he buys into the bullshit "not impeachable" argument, with a dash of "not bipartisan" and "let the voters decide": https://twitter.com/SenAlexander/status/1223093577145864194 Very disappointing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 01/30/20 11:06:42 PM #228:	glances at Lamar Alexander's twitter lmao allowing impeachment to succeed will TEAR THE COUNTRY APART he says as he tears the country apart --- https://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:933717333] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>glances at Lamar Alexander's twitter lmao allowing impeachment to succeed will TEAR THE COUNTRY APART he says as he tears the country apart </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/30/20 11:10:30 PM #229:	https://twitter.com/dandrezner/status/1223095741662617600 --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:933717477] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/dandrezner/status/1223095741662617600 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/30/20 11:13:13 PM #230:	LordoftheMorons posted... https://twitter.com/dandrezner/status/1223095741662617600 If your process for writing charges is so bad that you are unable to charge an impeachable crime even with a mountain of evidence, then your process is shallow and hurried! --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:933717564] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/dandrezner/status/1223095741662617600</quote> If your process for writing charges is so bad that you are unable to charge an impeachable crime even with a mountain of evidence, then your process is shallow and hurried! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/20 11:15:03 PM #231:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Trump was caught on audio saying the opposite, so...yeah, youre right about the first part. A) He said he didn't want to run against Hillary/Bernie. B) I'm pretty sure he wouldn't bother with doing all this shit with Ukraine and Biden if he didn't think Biden would be his toughest opponent. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:933717634] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Trump was caught on audio saying the opposite, so...yeah, youre right about the first part.</quote>A) He said he didn't want to run against Hillary/Bernie. B) I'm pretty sure he wouldn't bother with doing all this shit with Ukraine and Biden if he didn't think Biden would be his toughest opponent. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 01/30/20 11:17:05 PM #232:	He probably thought Biden was his most likely opponent, given Biden was up huge in polls at the time. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:933717711] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>He probably thought Biden was his most likely opponent, given Biden was up huge in polls at the time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/30/20 11:19:01 PM #233:	Can the Senate impeach Chief Justice Roberts for refusing to read Rand Pauls question naming the whistleblower? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:933717774] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Can the Senate impeach Chief Justice Roberts for refusing to read Rand Pauls question naming the whistleblower?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/30/20 11:19:16 PM #234:	TheRock1525 posted... A) He said he didn't want to run against Hillary/Bernie. B) I'm pretty sure he wouldn't bother with doing all this shit with Ukraine and Biden if he didn't think Biden would be his toughest opponent. Like I said, people react in predictable ways. Trump may have done this to ensure that the Democratic primary centers on Biden, the way the Republican primary centered on Trump. The worst thing for Biden is for the primary to focus on policy, because he really doesn't have any policies other than to do whatever Obama did. And realistically, he'll need to hire experts to tell him what Obama would have done. To get Biden as his opponent, Trump needed to make sure the Democratic primary did not center on policy....so make it about a Biden/Ukraine scandal and Democrats will rush to vote for him just because Trump is against him. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:933717780] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>A) He said he didn't want to run against Hillary/Bernie. B) I'm pretty sure he wouldn't bother with doing all this shit with Ukraine and Biden if he didn't think Biden would be his toughest opponent.</quote> Like I said, people react in predictable ways. Trump may have done this to ensure that the Democratic primary centers on Biden, the way the Republican primary centered on Trump. The worst thing for Biden is for the primary to focus on policy, because he really doesn't have any policies other than to do whatever Obama did. And realistically, he'll need to hire experts to tell him what Obama would have done. To get Biden as his opponent, Trump needed to make sure the Democratic primary did not center on policy....so make it about a Biden/Ukraine scandal and Democrats will rush to vote for him just because Trump is against him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/20 11:19:52 PM #235:	DoomTheGyarados posted... He probably thought Biden was his most likely opponent, given Biden was up huge in polls at the time. And Biden still leads in enough polls to be the favorite, even with Bernie making a run. Which is why he attacks Biden far more than Bernie. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:933717806] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>He probably thought Biden was his most likely opponent, given Biden was up huge in polls at the time.</quote>And Biden still leads in enough polls to be the favorite, even with Bernie making a run. Which is why he attacks Biden far more than Bernie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/30/20 11:20:26 PM #236:	Jakyl25 posted... Can the Senate impeach Chief Justice Roberts for refusing to read Rand Pauls question naming the whistleblower? They could have voted to overrule him if they had 51 votes --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:933717828] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Can the Senate impeach Chief Justice Roberts for refusing to read Rand Pauls question naming the whistleblower?</quote>They could have voted to overrule him if they had 51 votes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/30/20 11:21:09 PM #237:	Jakyl25 posted... Can the Senate impeach Chief Justice Roberts for refusing to read Rand Pauls question naming the whistleblower? No, only the House can impeach. But the Senate can overrule him and read out the question. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:933717853] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Can the Senate impeach Chief Justice Roberts for refusing to read Rand Pauls question naming the whistleblower?</quote> No, only the House can impeach. But the Senate can overrule him and read out the question. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 01/30/20 11:21:47 PM #238:	Yeah but he has been mentioning Sanders more lately, in time with those poll numbers closing. With Bernie ahead in Iowa, NH, California, massively closing the gap in states like Texas and Penn. I do not think it is an unfair thing based on the audio tape and polling and also other leaks - like how Trump thinks the socialism message would be hard to beat - to believe that Trump is very cautious about Bernie. I also saw some graph, forget where, that he has actually mentioned Bernie more in january than he has biden! --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:933717875] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Yeah but he has been mentioning Sanders more lately, in time with those poll numbers closing. With Bernie ahead in Iowa, NH, California, massively closing the gap in states like Texas and Penn. I do not think it is an unfair thing based on the audio tape and polling and also other leaks - like how Trump thinks the socialism message would be hard to beat - to believe that Trump is very cautious about Bernie. I also saw some graph, forget where, that he has actually mentioned Bernie more in january than he has biden! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/30/20 11:21:52 PM #239:	Oh ok. I would just like to see Republicans start going after him, to see if it drives moderates away --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:933717882] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Oh ok. I would just like to see Republicans start going after him, to see if it drives moderates away</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 01/30/20 11:21:54 PM #240:	TheRock1525 posted... A) He said he didn't want to run against Hillary/Bernie. B) I'm pretty sure he wouldn't bother with doing all this shit with Ukraine and Biden if he didn't think Biden would be his toughest opponent. He has also said Bernie would be tough...because socialism...people like free things. And he thought, like literally everyone else, that Biden was a lock for the nomination, not necessarily that hed be toughest. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:933717885] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>A) He said he didn't want to run against Hillary/Bernie. B) I'm pretty sure he wouldn't bother with doing all this shit with Ukraine and Biden if he didn't think Biden would be his toughest opponent.</quote> He has also said Bernie would be tough...because socialism...people like free things. And he thought, like literally everyone else, that Biden was a lock for the nomination, not necessarily that hed be toughest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 01/30/20 11:23:54 PM #241:	TheRock1525 posted... A) He said he didn't want to run against Hillary/Bernie. B) I'm pretty sure he wouldn't bother with doing all this shit with Ukraine and Biden if he didn't think Biden would be his toughest opponent. I think you're right that Trump now considers Biden to be the bigger threat, but I think he's off in his assessment and Bernie isn't that much weaker. IMO Trump's weird "praise Bernie" strat he's going for is some misguided attempt to peel off Bernie voters, but I don't think that's going to be effective. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:933717969] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>A) He said he didn't want to run against Hillary/Bernie. B) I'm pretty sure he wouldn't bother with doing all this shit with Ukraine and Biden if he didn't think Biden would be his toughest opponent.</quote> I think you're right that Trump now considers Biden to be the bigger threat, but I think he's off in his assessment and Bernie isn't that much weaker. IMO Trump's weird "praise Bernie" strat he's going for is some misguided attempt to peel off Bernie voters, but I don't think that's going to be effective. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/20 11:24:08 PM #242:	If he was a lock for the nomination, pretty sure he was the toughest opponent he'd have. I mean at some point if Bernie can't get the nomination then he's not the toughest opponent. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:933717984] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>If he was a lock for the nomination, pretty sure he was the toughest opponent he'd have. I mean at some point if Bernie can't get the nomination then he's not the toughest opponent. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 01/30/20 11:24:56 PM #243:	TheRock1525 posted... If he was a lock for the nomination, pretty sure he was the toughest opponent he'd have. I mean at some point if Bernie can't get the nomination then he's not the toughest opponent. Can I get back to you in three months? --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:933718011] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>If he was a lock for the nomination, pretty sure he was the toughest opponent he'd have. I mean at some point if Bernie can't get the nomination then he's not the toughest opponent.</quote> Can I get back to you in three months? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 01/30/20 11:26:50 PM #244:	who gives a fuck about what trump thinks about his competitors christ, what a worthless issue nobody should ever factor into anything --- https://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:933718095] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>who gives a fuck about what trump thinks about his competitors christ, what a worthless issue nobody should ever factor into anything </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/30/20 11:28:14 PM #245:	LordoftheMorons posted... Lamar's explanation: Trump did it and his conduct was "inappropriate", but he buys into the bullshit "not impeachable" argument, with a dash of "not bipartisan" and "let the voters decide": https://twitter.com/SenAlexander/status/1223093577145864194 Very disappointing Hey its what I said the Senate should do all along! Vote that Trump is guilty of what the articles allege but refuse to remove him for it. It would at least be honest! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:933718148] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Lamar's explanation: Trump did it and his conduct was "inappropriate", but he buys into the bullshit "not impeachable" argument, with a dash of "not bipartisan" and "let the voters decide": https://twitter.com/SenAlexander/status/1223093577145864194 Very disappointing </quote> Hey its what I said the Senate should do all along! Vote that Trump is guilty of what the articles allege but refuse to remove him for it. It would at least be honest!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/20 11:28:41 PM #246:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Can I get back to you in three months? I'm personally of the mindset that whoever wins the nomination is the toughest opponent. I like Bernie, he's my candidate that I want, but if he doesn't get it again it means he's just not good enough a candidate. Not completely his fault, just that at some point you gotta break through especially in a fairly weak field. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:933718170] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>Can I get back to you in three months?</quote>I'm personally of the mindset that whoever wins the nomination is the toughest opponent. I like Bernie, he's my candidate that I want, but if he doesn't get it again it means he's just not good enough a candidate. Not completely his fault, just that at some point you gotta break through especially in a fairly weak field. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/30/20 11:29:55 PM #247:	Jakyl25 posted... Hey its what I said the Senate should do all along! Vote that Trump is guilty of what the articles allege but refuse to remove him for it. It would at least be honest! I don't think the Senate can vote for that. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:933718205] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Hey its what I said the Senate should do all along! Vote that Trump is guilty of what the articles allege but refuse to remove him for it. It would at least be honest!</quote>I don't think the Senate can vote for that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/30/20 11:31:14 PM #248:	TheRock1525 posted... I don't think the Senate can vote for that. Mitch will probably find a way --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:933718248] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote> I don't think the Senate can vote for that. </quote> Mitch will probably find a way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/30/20 11:34:32 PM #249:	They could hold a censure vote after the impeachment vote if they actually wanted to even pretend to hold Trump accountable --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:933718361] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>They could hold a censure vote after the impeachment vote if they actually wanted to even pretend to hold Trump accountable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ashethan 01/30/20 11:34:56 PM #250:	Can't wait for President AOC to declare herself President for life in the best interests of the country! Thanks, Trump! --- Board 8 Mafia Archive: ashchive.altervista.org <cite>Ashethan posted [p:933718371] in Politics C... [t:78366000]...</cite> <quote>Can't wait for President AOC to declare herself President for life in the best interests of the country! Thanks, Trump! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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